Jeff

If a race of people come here and really have no desire and NO NEED to blend into our country why should they. Theres a flood gate of spanish coming into this country, there WAS reasons we had limits on immigration #'s IF THERE IS NO NEED to learn our ways and our language, eventually with the number of spanish coming here, WE, ALL of us will no longer have our ways and our language. I know I'm sounding racist to some. But I see no real good coming from letting every illegal mexican into this country and then saying you dont have to learn any English we will put signs up in spanish, so you dont have to learn, we will look the other way when you come here Illegally, so you dont have to go by the immigration laws. We will look the other way when you have false documents and you want a job, we will look the other way when you cash your check. Wait until the mexicans get heavy into pressure washing or wood restoration and we start to lose work and our livelihood. Do you think they are going to charge the same rates you all do, no they will cut the rates, you say they wont do as good as you quality wise, they are as smart as us, they will learn. They dont have to charge the same rates, they can afford to low ball us right out of business, Because there cost of living is less than ours, they live 2, 3, 4 famlies in one trailer home Rod i said I was scared to see our way of life changing, I m more mad that our Goverment has no intentions to help the middle class blue collar worker from being ridden right over and all the jobs are given to illegals who dont even know how to speak the language of the land Maybe we can have a spanish/american war someday Oh we already are CAN I ASK WHY SHOULDNT PEOPLE LEARN OUR LANGUAGE & OUR WAYS, whats wrong with that? I got a better idea, NUKE Mexico, The Middle East, Somolia, Russia LOL only kidding, that wouldnt be the right thing to do................ We'd get to much nuke fallout and who would we have to clean up the mess if we wiped out mexico LOL I hope my democratic party doesnt kick me out

And every culture that came here for the past 2 centuries has learned our language and became part of the english speaking population. Little Italy in Boston, everyone spoke english, The German area, spoke English, we didnt teach Italian & German in the schools, If we dont insist on learing our ways, our ways will eventually be gone HELL The American Indian speaks ENGLISH

Beth, I was sure you paid more than that. I just was saying $8-$10 isnt what many think it is. I used to get paid that kind of money in the late 70's & early 80's for labor work. I guess its from my days in the union, as a biz owner I still feel the worker is the most important part of a biz and our country. Blue Collar , Just like red white & BLUE

Good for you and everybody that see's people need a living wage. I too sleep well knowing my men get more $$$ than most around here. I also have some very loyal workers. I am and will be paying them more and more often as my biz grow. Maybe Im being selfish, I figure the more they make, it will be harder for them to leave for something better. BUT, What could be better than working for a wondrful guy like me LOL oops

You think $8.00 - $10.00 is a good wage, with the cost of living up in your area. Thats below poverty level i would think. Just because he drives a lawn mower, doesnt mean he shouldnt earn a living wage. He still could get hurt or die on the job, its hard work landscaping. One trip to the hospital for illness and he might have no money to feed his family with those wages as a norm You are right spanish families are great, they do have a large sense of family and they assimilate into our country. Also some of the biggest and most dealiest GANGS in our country and taking up a great deal of our prison space are Mexican gangs/spanish gangs To who ever comes to this country and wants to be part of the leagal american dream, good for them as long as its legal. I think they should get good wages too $8-$10 no wonder you have a hard time keeping workers if you think thats a good wage I'm dropping out of this debate, I'm boringggggg myself and sound to much like a racist.

I am afraid......... of our country turning into something it was not meant to be.......Which is a country that speaks another language. This is America and our language should be spoken. I'm sure that our forefathers had that in mind and its been that way for over 200 years, except this past decade I love culture, I have no problem with how it was done years ago, you spoke your language only until you learned english. Why would anybody want America to have 2 different spoken language, THAT DOES NOT UNITE people, it divides our country. Another thing is if you want to open our borders, what do you think will happen, the majority will speak and elect there kind and we Americans will be paying for it sooner than later This is America and do like its been done for over 200 years learn english and become a part of the American Dream It has nothing to do with shutting a culture out, whos doing the shutting out is it us or the people and the companies that think its fine to just speak spanish. Your wrong on this one Rod, this is America not a spanish country

Drugs & alcohol play a big roll in it. Americans are doing a lot of drugs and alcohol and then they dont show up to work. The the Immigrants do drugs & alcohol but they show up no matter what......................I think the Americans got to get better at handling their drugs and alcohol. LOL only kidding Who did all these jobs before the big influx of illegals in the past several years? Althou as Americans get lazier we have more and more service companies starting up with tons of work, so i guess theres a need for tons more workers ... The Illegals step in What I hate is how everything is now in 2 languages, english & spanish. Thats a good thread to start, I ought to get a good response

10 bucks day, its more like 10 bucks a week or mont. Many products we buy are made in Chinese prisons Sale at walmart today, T shirts $2.00

Who the hell did the jobs before the mexicans??? Americans that were getting paid better, some years ago this Swift chicken plant used to pay decent money and it was all whites & blacks that worked there and made good pay. Now its huge amounts of Illegals and other immigrants that take wages half of what they used to be. Oh well dont get caught 50K

I believe in an eye for an eye. Althou, Id hate to be the Innocent man on death row. No Innocent man should be put to death. I say keep the death penalty, these horrible scumbags should die. I just hope that somehow none of us ever get accused and convicted of something that could put us to death I dont trust the legal system, it is all about winning. I've seen lawyers lie. I've seen prosecutors lie. Many/most dont care about the truth Let me tell you a couple VERY TRUE stories When I was 18 I lived in Santa Barbara CA. Me and a couple freinds moved there for the California Dream, we had great times life was good, fun and the state and area was beautiful. we'd work all week and party all weekend, go to the mountains, the beach or just hang out One night we were at a birthday party for this college girl from CT, she was a close freind. We bounced from her party to other college party in the area of Goleta where the college is. Most of the time we were at her party. At all times I was with friends and people I knew, I was never alone. At this party were many adults, her parents were there and he was a Sheriff in CT We finally left this party me and 2 buddies on bicycles. We got pulled over by the police. They started asking us questions, many questions and the police pulled me away from the other 2. I asked them what the heck was going on and one of them said i fit a description. I said for what. He said a girl was RAPED...... I said what!!!! you dont think I did it do you. He said dont worry she is coming here and we'll settle it. I was absolutly freaking. they cuffed me A police car pulls up and a girl gets out with one eye completly closed from a black eye. she with the police came up to me , I said "please tell them I didnt do it" From the time she got out of the car , to looking at me to getting back in the car was about a total of 15 seconds , she actually looked at me for about 2-3 seconds, she walked about about 5 ft from me and turned around She got in the car and the police started readin me my rights and said I was under arrest for the rape of ---- ------ ------- I still remember her name to this day. I flipped out pulling away, pushing and fighting to the police car. I couldnt believe what was happening They took me to county and did several samples from me, it was horrible. The 1st night I was in a large cell with a lot of other guys and I got into a fight with a mexican who gave me crap. The took me out of the cell and took me to solitary cell, put me in a orange jump suit with sneakers that didnt fit. That night and the next day my freinds and the sheriff went to the police and tried to tell them I was with them at all times, noone cared. That next day they took me to court with dozens of others on a bus. I was chained next to a murder suspect, who killed 2 people for their diamonds in the Lincoln. We get to court and every news station in the area was there because of the murder. I was arraigned. This cant be happening to me, they will figure it out and let me free today or tomorrow , didnt happen. I spent 8 days in solitary Well I skip to the good cop /bad cop part. It was the 1st or 2nd day a man & women cop came in. The good cop was the man and the women played bad cop, She called me every name in the book, rapist, pervert etc etc. He would say jeff just tell me what happened and it can all be taken care of. It went on for almost 3 hours. The whole time I said give me lie detector test, take blood what ever , just get me out of here because I didnt do it. They gave me lie detector, they put the thing across my chest, they put 2 fingers in another thing and then they put the blood pressure type cuff thing around my are. It went on for a while with the question and when it was done the cops and lie detctor guy explained how I FLUNKED the lie detector. I freaked again and just cried. I was innocent and they are telling me Im not. ( I remember that the blood pressure cuff thing was so tight my arm turner purple, I always wondered is that how they rigged the test) I also let them draw blood Back to my cell... My public defender came in the 2nd day. His name was Raymundos Donti Deoka ( spelling??) Never forgot his name either. Before he said anything, I said please just get me out of here. He asked me my name and a couple other questions and then said he cant get me out, because I admitted to it. WHAT THE ^$%$*. He pulled out the police report and in it it said I said to the girl when she ID'ed me "" Im sorry I did it to you, but please tell them I didnt" The LYING cops wrote down what they wanted and now the jerk lawyer was going to let it go. I started telling him it was a lie and he was a total jerk, saying its in the report. God I could have killed him and myself that day. My freinds came to visit the 3rd day and said Jeff they wont listen to them or the adults at the party. Talk about a nightmare They took me to court a couple more times that week and I asked the judge for a phone call, to call my parents in Mass. I figured in a day or 2 the police would figure out I didnt do it, so I hadnt called my parentsnot a call you'd want to make. ''Hey Mom & dad Im in Jail for Rape, what are you guys doing" They lowered my bail from $50,000 to $5000 cash. They gave me a phone in my cell and i called my Dad, how horrible that was. My Dad said stay cool and we will get you bailed out. I had told him I didnt do it and he knew I didnt. I finally got out after 8 days I talked to my parent and said this public defender was useless. None of us knew what to do. I was thinking of running because they were going to put me away for this and I didnt do it. it was a 20 year sentence if convicted My Mother was a waitress at this deli in Boston for many years and as I was growing up I worked there as a dishwaher/busboy/cook for years. My Mother knew this man who was a customer for years and he was a big shot lawyer in Boston, i knew him also, my mother served him breakfast for years. She spoke with him and asked him for help. I later found out at the time he was the President of the Trial Lawyers Assoc Of America. He told her not to worry, that he would get us a lawyer out there. I went to meet with this lawyer and I knew right away we could never afford this guy. His office was beautiful and right on Redando Beach peir. I talked to the guy and he used to be the sheriif of santa barbara county. I talked and told him the whole story. He said he was going to get his guy to do a lie detector test and , we talked for some time, near the end he said he would need 20K to take this case and if it goes to trial it would be more...................... My parents didnt have money , I left his office feeling sick all over again. I called mom & dad and mom just cried. The next day my mom talked to the lawyer in Boston and she called me back and said he was going to help again. I met with the lawyer about a month later at court. He told me he was sorry he shouldnt have mentioned money to me. we went in front of the judge and the lawyer asked the judge for more blood test to be taken, that the test that the cops did came back and basically was no match for my blood and the pubic hair samples didnt match. The lawyers and the judge talked to each other and we left the court. The lawyer said I'll have a plane ticket in a day and go back to Boston. I was not let off but they allowed me to leave the state. A week after I got home the lawyer said. I never have to come back for court, it wsnt me and good luck. We paid the lawyer 5K over a couple years. The Boston lawyer got him to reduce his rate. Thank God my mother served this man eggs for years or I could have done 20 years in jail So the moral of this story is dont ever think it cant happen to you. This girl that was raped I was told by the lawyer here alcohol blood level was off the charts, she had drinken a whole bottle of black berry brandy. She was blind drunk and only had one eye open when she ID'ed me. nightmare happen like this and the cops and lawyers just want a conviction , they knew from the blood & hair samples that it wasnt me, but they didnt tell us until we had a high $$$$ Lawyer/ what if this girl was murdered and I didnt get a good lawyer. I may of been on death row I think scumbags like the one that is posted in this thread should die, but becareful for what you ask for One more sad quick story. I was 25 and i got arrested for welfare check fraud, except it wasnt me who cashed the checks. Before that I got a letter from the IRS saying I had already gotten my return$$$ back from my return. Well someone got a hold of one of my W-2's and put in a return under my name. I got documents from the IRS and it was one W-2 that was sent to an old address and a scumbag sent it in and got my money. I had all kinds of docs showing it wasnt my hand writing or signature. Well a month or so later, I get picked up by my home town police on a warrent. YUP here we go again. The same guy who cashed my check was cashing welfare checks. I talk to the cops and local prosecutor. I have my roommates bring in alll my paper work, I had a letter from the IRS saying that someone else stole my info and everythng. They still arraigned me. 2 weeks later they come and arrest me again. They had other welfare checks with my name on the back. What a frigging nightmare. I see the same prosacuter and he says to me there nothing he can do it has my name on the check and the bank that cashed them took out the charges. I called him an As----e and said I want to speak with his boss, that didnt happen. The clerk of court start to arraign me again. I start to tell him its the wrong person, he basically tells me to shut up this isnt the time. WELL I went for it, it wasnt the time for them, but I started telling the they have the wrong guy and the as------ prosacuter over there knows I didnt do it and he still is arstting me, I went off!!!!!!!! Finally as the bal;iffs started walking towards me. The Judge woke up and ordered the county DA to talk to me. She did and I showed her everything I had from the IRS , I had went to the bank that cashed all the checks and got no help from them etc etc. Finally I told her I was going to lose my job at the nuke plant if this keeps goingon. She said it was abviously not me and she wrote me a letter to my boss and said she would start working on this next week COOLLLLLLLLLL. 3 days later i get busted again (YUP 3 times)and finally the local guy let me go and said sorry. Up to this time they had yet to drop all the charges, so I had been calling TV & Radio stations, I called every newspaper and finally a local paper did a front page story about my nightmare. A Day later a knock on my door and its 2 big guys with sunglasses and GOLD badges. I started shaking and telling them write away it wasnt me I have papers, they came in and said calm down, they are here to help me. They or their boss read my story in the paper and they already think they know who it is. They got all charges dropped and called me to tell me they arrestted the guy. Got to love those Secret Service guys. I asked him who did it and they wouldnt give me a name , but said he movd into an apartment I used to live in and got my W-2 and went from there. He was a career criminal. I later say it in the paper he got 10 years and a 10K fine Sorry for the long stories , I wasnt to sleepy, I wasnt going to join this thread topic, I had passed commenting on it when I 1st saw it. I have very mixed feelings about the death penalty. My expierences say dont trust the courts, but my heart says some people should die for what they do. just figured I'd share what can happen if your in the wrong place at the wrong time Im happy they have DNA testing they should afford that to any lifer or death row guy just to make sure they have the right guy. Theres no figures on how many innocent people have gone to jails for years or died. But I guess there are no innocent people in jail SORRY for the long jeff story, years later I dont ever really think about these 2 horrible things, but every once in a while I just thank god My life is so good now I sometimes wonder, if this kind of s--t could happen to me again. Yup it could but it wont,because life is good Jeff

Anthony, You're alright, your beliefs are yours and thats cool. Have a great one!!! Merry Xmas Jeff

Sounds like your a well respected man , that is why these people call you. To bad it turned out this way Like I said your are respected!! JL

Anthony, I hope you dont take offense, but its people like you that scare many, NO tolarance at all. Everybody should burn in hell if they dont subscribe to your way of interpeting the bible. Theres another group somewhat like that and they are the extreme muslims. They think they're right too I love God and he's probably the same God you love, But I dont believe that God or Jesus is extreme as you think, Im sure they are more tolerant than you give them credit Condi Rice....She's a lesbian..........................I dont really know if she is, but Anthony if she was, which she could be, would you still vote for her. **** Chenney supports his lesbian daughter, so is he doomed also? There are no perfect people in this world. So Rick Warren who wants to unite where he can is now a piece of crap too in your eyes. Its a shame your so one way and intolerant Obama Hussien Barak, so what he has a name like that, thats just funny that you right wingers would even bring that up. I know a lot of Anthonys that were mobsters, so are you in the California Mob. Is the name of your company a front for a hitman group, see what Im saying its just ridiculous I think some of your extreme views someday God will tell you, you were wrong and you should love instead of hate and try to put people down Rick Warren and the Millions who follow and like him are a disgrace? Why because he wants to bring people together instead of dividing them. I hope someday you see the light and take people for what they are Anthony, I have always been far from perfect I know, but i love people in general, I may spew hate about Bush, but If he was a little more open, I 'd give him a break. But hell you wont even give JFK a break What if your minister was found out to be seeing gay prostitute and doing Meth like that other one was, does that make you & him doomed because you listen ed to him Maybe God gave us brains to do things, Maybe he gave doctors the brains that give abortions or scientist that are doing stem cell research. Maybe his plans to have wars to not over populate the world. Maybe it was his plan to have different religions so we would be a diverse world I try to be more tolerant, I think you should be too along with the rest of this country we all should unite or we will bring the end to all of us quicker OK I think I said enough. I still like Obama & Warren, at least they try to unite JL

Like Obama , Abe Lincoln was a 2nd year senator, with little experience, but he did some great speaches and ended up in history as a great Prez. Im looking for people to run that will truely unite. I like he's younger than the old school thats in control of the Rep & Dems now. He may be a lot more than you think, He's a pretty smart man and he's lived in asia/Indonesia for many years. That part of the world is very important. I dont know if America will hire a black man yet

Jeff I'm surprised at you snooping like that. Dont you know Santas always watching JL

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TRUE!!!! I saw that bust on the news at the Smithfeild chicken processing plant, they got over 1200 Illegals last week. The local cops never knew about it, until dozens of Feds swooped in. It amazes me how many have fake documents. My wife works for a bank and they just started a policy, that if they have questionable documentation ( out of state lic. green cards etc)they have to call the employee. They are making up to a couple dozen calls each & every pay day to some companies. They figure that the companies might get sick of all the calls and check the workers docs better. The bank wants to cover themselves, They gotten stuck with many Thousands of $$$$$ of bad checks from illegals I hate when I hear the illegals arent hurting anybody.

Hey Don. Get the heck out. Put all the Biz down for a couple days, take the wife for dinner and relax. Mental stress can hurt you. Don't let it. feed off the stress, then spit it out. You've read quite a bit. Now Call, write, Fax. Everything doesnt have to be perfect, "Just Do It" Don't drive yourself crazy, get a parttime job, get up everyday and shower, put on your pants and clear your head & smile Be tough Dude and get , getting on JL

Heck, my Inlaws loved me when I married my wife she was 22 and I was 40. Is that still cradle robbing if there over 21. I just couldnt get myself to marry someone my age. Thats old LOL

My 2 fulltime guys , 10 months this year did 45 - 65 hours a week each, I also had several short term workers, some day labor and a couple part timers. We just this week started to slow somee and they will get probably 30 - 45 hrs a week if its a 40 hr week, exclude travel & breaks probably get 33-35- hours of work out of them.

Dail up whats that LOL. High speed cable is great isnt it.

HEY, this should get some of my Conservative friends on here pissed off I was just listening to the news and Senator Ted Kennedy is going to put forth and fight for a bill that will require businesses that employ more than 15 employees to give them 7 days paid sick days. What do you think about that? I believe that companies large or small should try to afford certain benifits, I am trying, I give a couple sick days and a Xmas bonus, and 4 days vacation pay. I dont think the gov should require benifits. Companies that do give health care, sick days holiday pay will probably get better and more loyal employees than those that dont. I dont like how bennies and pensions are disappearing. I think all large companies SHOULD give healthcare, but required by law, No So to all my conservitive buddies I'm with you on this one. Can you believe it LOL Those darn democrats we are going to have some fun with them in the Majority JL VOTE DEM IN 2008 I know I'm still for Min Wage increase, cant give up all my liberalism

And do you think GW knows anything about the working man or even really cares LOL Hell half of all the congress probably was born with a silver spoon in there mouth. Have you seen how many congressmen have these great tans., must be working hard. Do you know now that the average work week for a congressman is just over 2 days a week (FACT), I forget but it was 10 -15 years ago it was at least a 4 day week for them. A few days ago they went out for the Xmas break and they dont come back until January. Must be nice to get 3-4 weeks off for just one holiday. WHAT A JOKE , a joke on us the American citizen Give any of these people 2 years in Washington and they are all the same.