Beth n Rod

No worries :groovy3:

Appreciate that. ;) Copy/paste the answer makes life a breeze when the same questions appears different places...at least, that's what I have done sometimes. Beth

He's trying not to tell us he posted on ***. ;)

Call him up and ask him to specifically ask the other bidders if they could even identify his deck as being redwood, and ask him to ask them what type of wood it is considered to be...hard, medium, soft...explain to him the challenges you face working with that particular wood, and see what he says next. Alot of guys can't tell redwood from PT from cedar, and that can be really bad news for the homeowner.

Just thought I would show how useful a search can be. I only listed three of the threads that contained info on Olympic. Hope they were helpful. :groovy: Beth

Landscaping trucks are starting to appear...mulching... Bulbs are trying to come up here. Birds are singing. I love the spring time.

Hi Jeff, Try these links :groovy3: http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183 http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1517&highlight=olympic http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1335&highlight=olympic These have some meat on their bones. Enjoy! Beth

Jeff, are you speaking in general terms or do you have a specific job in mind?

Tonight's wood chat is about Caring for Outdoor Wood Furniture as an add on to your business. This was supposed to be last week's topic but due to technical problems we were not able to hold the chat, so you still have a chance to attend. Click the button in the nav bar to join the chat. If you have never registered for chat you'll need to do so. See you there. Beth & Rod

The defurring (defelting some call them) pads are due in here at the end of the month. From what I can gather from our contact, all orders are processed and punched in sequence. Our order is being punched on Monday March 15th. We have an incredible number of these things on order. I've already set the reorder point in the system at 50% of stock so backordering throughout the year should not be an issue. As soon as these are in they will ship - this is a "drop what you are doing and ship them" kind of thing. We realize that deck season is here in some areas, and almost here in others. We hope this update is helpful. We appreciate everyones understanding and patience. Beth & Rod :groovy: :cool:

That's GREAT news reed!

I spoke to Russ at Extreme Solutions today too. Basically he's fairly certain you are facing an alkyd product with acrylic in it. This also explains what I saw online. Calling something an alkyd is only speaking to the oil that's there. MSDS sheets only have to disclose hazardous ingredients. Alkyds qualify. If the clean up instructions had read soap and water rather than mineral spirits you would be looking at a laytex. But based upon what was and was not on the MSDS and the way the HD reacted, you most likely have an acrylic in the alkyd. Ask the manufacturer what will take it off. Our best suggestion is a MEK product, which means BIX or similar. Sure wish I had better news. If you test with MEK and it comes off you'll know for sure. Beth

Ok... I went up and downloaded the MSDS sheet for this product. Based upon the ingredients listed in the MSDS sheet the HD-80 should do the trick, provided there is no silicone or laytex in the product that is not listed. Here are some guidelines if you do plan to attack it again with HD: 1. attack a test spot. 2. make sure it's more than 50 degrees outside (factor for wind too) when you are working with it. It much less effective in cold temps, and for an alkyd warmer is better. 3. you need a longer dwell time per coat on an alkyd. Its OK to let dwell up to 45 min per layer. 4. keep wet with more HD as you work. Don't let it dry. This deactivates it. 5. you might try massaging it with a brush as you work on it. 6. when you rinse, hit it with your 25 tip at about 6 inces quickly if it seems intact. If it peels off in a strip it did have something else in it. 7. appearance sometimes changes when HD meets acrylics so just in case any is in there look for a subtle color change in the color of the product...it may take on a milkier look. If you see that, it's a good thing. Be patient, apply more, and dwell a long time. 8. Rod always scratches at the surface to see if he can determine if the bond is breaking. That might also help you. If you did all of these things to begin with, then I would have to wonder if the product contains either acrylic in some amount or latex in some amount even if not listed. If you try MEK on it and it takes it, then my suspicion would be it had some in it. Bix is a product that has MEK in it. Be very careful if you use that. This really has me wracking my brain.....if I think of anything else I'll post it. I sure hope this helps you out. Call Rod on his cell if you need to. Beth

Robert, can you post a pic?

What was that top bullet above alkyd resin? HD-80 loves alkyd resins - that's why it eats Sikkens Cetol DEK so well. What else is in this stuff? Also what was the temp like outdoors when you were using the HD? That too can play a role because is will not work well in cold temps.

Hi all, Just wanted to follow up on last Thursdays' chat. a couple of us tried to login to host the chat, but were having technical problems. These have been resolved. Since we were not able to hold the chat on Caring for Outdoor Wood Furniture last week, we will do it on the 11th at 8pm. Hope to see you then! Beth

The Library... ;)

Take a look at the nav bar up top....you'll see something new. ARCADE. There are a number of fun games to play. Enjoy! Beth

Lol... like I said we have been tossing it around for a while ;)

http://www.coloryourworld.com/goodideas/goodideasoutdoor1.html Looks like its an acrylic, not an alkyd. Also appears to be in the piant family, not a true stain. Try a product that has MEK in it. (methyl ethyl ketone) Extreme Solutions is working on a product to handle this type of job, but it has not been released yet. Beth

Ron, I would LOVE for you to HOST a flatwork one. How about on the 18th, at 8 pm EST? Basically you lead the group and talk flatwork and answer questions, and share stories with others. Can I pencil you in for that one? You would be great for it! :groovy:

I've been meaning to get it installed since last FALL Mike... it is fun. I Have lots of things on the planning board. :groovy3:

Low pressure is the best. Check out The Library for articles on Selling. :groovy3: ;)

How long did you let it dwell, and what concentration did you mix it at? HD has removed Alkyds before.... Were you at 8 oz by weight to the gallon, and did it dwell for at least 45 min? Have you got a link to the manufacturers site by chance?

Yeah, it's not as easy as it looks!