Beth n Rod

Or do you mean a lance like an extension?

Gordon, call me about Wood Tux. You client will be happier and the product will go farther per sq. ft. Beth

Alan has the number now... Here's the agenda for the DC area Roundtable: 1. Opening Remarks 2. Introductions (lunch will be ordered) 3. Industry SWOT Analysis (Strengths Weaknesses Opportunities Threats) This should address: -How can we improve our industry? -What are some of the challenges we face? -How are we addressing them? 4.Wish list -I wish I had X because it would help my company by XXXXXXXX 5. Common Field Pains -What works? -What's broken? 6.Rigs - check out others rigs and get ideas Contest to be voted on by assigned number and paper ballot Criteria are: accessability, ease of use, easy of maintenance, cleanliness, signage, organization Prize will be awarded, rig MUST be present to win. Prize will be valued at $100.00 or higher, and will be announced at the meeting. 7.PLAY POOL! :-) Beth & Rod

Wed Jan 28 20:14:00 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:Am I at the right place? Wed Jan 28 20:14:03 2004:Guy [0/] Msg:Hello all. Wed Jan 28 20:14:10 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Sorry for the delay in logging in Wed Jan 28 20:14:13 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:deck chat Wed Jan 28 20:14:28 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:How is everyone this evening? Wed Jan 28 20:14:34 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:good Wed Jan 28 20:14:38 2004:Bethrod [0/] Login: Wed Jan 28 20:14:38 2004:Bethrod [0/] IP:67.24.148.76 Wed Jan 28 20:14:41 2004:Guy [0/] Msg:Good. Hope you are tool. Wed Jan 28 20:14:43 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:Cold.... Wed Jan 28 20:14:46 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ.C get broadband Wed Jan 28 20:15:03 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Not available in my neck of the woods Wed Jan 28 20:15:10 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi everyone! :) Wed Jan 28 20:15:16 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I know Wed Jan 28 20:15:24 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:hi beth Wed Jan 28 20:15:28 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:just busting chops Wed Jan 28 20:15:32 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:Hello. Wed Jan 28 20:15:54 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:The topic for this evening is how to strip a deck Wed Jan 28 20:16:25 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Does anyone have any questions to get started with? Wed Jan 28 20:17:22 2004:Guy [0/] Msg:Winter months, any special considerations in cold weather? Wed Jan 28 20:17:27 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:What do you use to apply your stripper Wed Jan 28 20:17:39 2004:carlgoodbar [0/] Msg:What is the best chemical to use on a solid red Behr stain approx. 5 years old? Wed Jan 28 20:17:44 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Slow everything down in the cold weather Wed Jan 28 20:18:07 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:allow longer for dwell time and also allow extra time for sealers to penetrate Wed Jan 28 20:18:38 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:Do you Protect any bordering siding or windows before stripping th deck? Wed Jan 28 20:18:44 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:The best we have ever tested is HD-80 Wed Jan 28 20:18:44 2004:gmilarck [0/] Login: Wed Jan 28 20:18:44 2004:gmilarck [0/] IP:172.130.101.194 Wed Jan 28 20:19:03 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:As far as the best way to apply, I would say hvlp sprayers Wed Jan 28 20:19:08 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i im running into more decks with acrllics on them any ideas how to remove it faster Wed Jan 28 20:19:34 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:You mask according to the product you are useing Wed Jan 28 20:21:20 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:For removing acrillics you can look at products that contain MEK Wed Jan 28 20:22:15 2004:Guy [0/] Msg:I have a job coming up that is an elevated deck with a concrete pad below it. How difficult will it be to clean fresh stain that drips onto the pad if I don't completely mask the pad? Wed Jan 28 20:22:18 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Login: Wed Jan 28 20:22:18 2004:JimCrossley [0/] IP:67.75.131.235 Wed Jan 28 20:22:20 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:well i was hoping there was a better way maybe with a stronger SH solution and Hot water? Wed Jan 28 20:22:31 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:ESI is currently researching safer alternatives to MEK Wed Jan 28 20:22:37 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:What does HD-80 require for masking and what does HD-80 stand for? Wed Jan 28 20:23:07 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:HD-80 is a product name Wed Jan 28 20:23:14 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:We carry it. Wed Jan 28 20:23:21 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:The HD stands for Heavy Duty and the 80 is an internal code used by ESI (manufacturer) Wed Jan 28 20:23:43 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:for HD-80, mask painted surfaces and bare metels Wed Jan 28 20:24:05 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Mask Aluminum sidiing if the homeowner has it. Wed Jan 28 20:25:07 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:Any concerns with it getting on glass? Wed Jan 28 20:25:36 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it is never a good idea to let any chemicals dry on glass, but it should not give you too much trouble Wed Jan 28 20:25:53 2004:paul-uk [0/] Login: Wed Jan 28 20:25:53 2004:paul-uk [0/] IP:217.42.18.143 Wed Jan 28 20:26:03 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:hi all Wed Jan 28 20:26:08 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:you should be more concerned with the acids used in neutralization. Wed Jan 28 20:26:18 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:welcome Paul Wed Jan 28 20:26:19 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Good morning Paul Wed Jan 28 20:26:22 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Any body running into latex and accrylics? Seem like i see more and more every year Wed Jan 28 20:27:34 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl, as the industry moves away from solvent based formulations to stay ahead of VOC regulations, you will start to see more and more of these products used Wed Jan 28 20:28:00 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:the real trouble is in trying to identify all of the hybrids Wed Jan 28 20:28:08 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:well some one needs to come up with abetter solution for removing em Wed Jan 28 20:28:33 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Hey Paul Wed Jan 28 20:28:44 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:hi dale Wed Jan 28 20:28:47 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:im tired of stripping 4 times with mek and gas mask Wed Jan 28 20:28:53 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl, how long have you been in the business? Wed Jan 28 20:29:00 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:4 years Wed Jan 28 20:29:27 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:It is very tough sometimes Wed Jan 28 20:30:07 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:well when i started i didnt see that much but now its getting rediculous Wed Jan 28 20:30:28 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:what part of the country are you in? Wed Jan 28 20:30:40 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:ivirginia and u? Wed Jan 28 20:30:49 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:QuikCarl it just means more money in your pocket for the pain in the ...... jobs Wed Jan 28 20:31:09 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Carl what's on it? Wed Jan 28 20:31:12 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:That is one reason a lot of the contractors I talk to are working on buildig their repeat business. They like to controll what is put on the wood Wed Jan 28 20:31:22 2004:mattia [0/] Login: Wed Jan 28 20:31:22 2004:mattia [0/] IP:12.217.118.161 Wed Jan 28 20:31:28 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Matt Wed Jan 28 20:31:34 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:We are based near St Louis Wed Jan 28 20:31:45 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Fred i dont know to many people who will strip latex ----cause u have to sand afterwords Wed Jan 28 20:31:52 2004:mattia [0/] Msg:hello board Wed Jan 28 20:32:04 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:hi matt Wed Jan 28 20:32:17 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ.C are you going to get wood tux in gal. this year? Wed Jan 28 20:32:21 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Latex should not be used on exterior wood decks Wed Jan 28 20:32:45 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:Why? Wed Jan 28 20:32:52 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Why would you want it in gallons? Thought you would be more interested in the 30 gallon contractor drums Wed Jan 28 20:32:59 2004:Underpaid-Fireman [0/] Login: Wed Jan 28 20:32:59 2004:Underpaid-Fireman [0/] IP:209.158.236.145 Wed Jan 28 20:33:22 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Do do sample boards for customers at this point Wed Jan 28 20:33:24 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:well latex blends and acryllic are being sold as deeck solutions by every depot out there Wed Jan 28 20:33:27 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Frenchy It does not breath right and will not survive the freeze thaw cycles Wed Jan 28 20:34:07 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hello Fireman Wed Jan 28 20:34:14 2004:Underpaid-Fireman [0/] Msg:hi Wed Jan 28 20:34:15 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:russ have you tried hot water on accrylic b4? Wed Jan 28 20:34:19 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:and the 30's will be nice Wed Jan 28 20:34:42 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl, I know they are but they do not have the properties to make them suitable for the application Wed Jan 28 20:35:02 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:We don't use hot water on wood Wed Jan 28 20:35:27 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i know that the problem is the homeowner puts the stuff on and calls me a year later to take it off Wed Jan 28 20:36:19 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:That is tough to deal with, unless there is enough work in your market to simply walk away Wed Jan 28 20:36:32 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i dont use hot water either but i was thinking i might have better results taking of accrylic Wed Jan 28 20:36:47 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:off Wed Jan 28 20:36:48 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:All you can do is charge time/Materials and explain how intensive the job could be Wed Jan 28 20:37:49 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I think there is good news on the horizon, but I would be premature saying anything definitive right now. Wed Jan 28 20:38:22 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ.C stop teasing us that is not fair! Wed Jan 28 20:39:08 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Sorry Wed Jan 28 20:39:28 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:what stain do u use russ Wed Jan 28 20:39:28 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Who has some really great b4 and after shots? Wed Jan 28 20:39:29 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:is there any truth in the rumor that you all will be going over to water based stains only because of the voc regs Wed Jan 28 20:39:38 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Now you have to tell us lol Wed Jan 28 20:40:01 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:yes there is truth in that Wed Jan 28 20:40:07 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Water base =====Acrylic Wed Jan 28 20:40:18 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl. . .not always Wed Jan 28 20:40:28 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:What's the difference between using hot or cold water on wood? Wed Jan 28 20:40:34 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:name one Wed Jan 28 20:40:50 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:who raised that one Wed Jan 28 20:41:14 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Hot water can simply remove more of the natural extractives and sugars in the wood Wed Jan 28 20:42:03 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ will the water base be in addition to the line of wood tux or taking place of it? Wed Jan 28 20:42:04 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I wouldn't say that hot water would ruine the wood, cold is just safer Wed Jan 28 20:42:13 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:hot water will raise the grain Wed Jan 28 20:42:16 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:That must be bad....? Wed Jan 28 20:42:35 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Hot water will raise the grain and you will have alot of sanding to do Wed Jan 28 20:42:53 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Slow down. . .you are talking about proposed regulation that may or may not go into effect in stages over the next decade or so Wed Jan 28 20:42:57 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Wire pool brush is better Wed Jan 28 20:43:09 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:for removing fuzzies Wed Jan 28 20:44:07 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Wood Tux will be around for quite some time. It is very VOC friendly Wed Jan 28 20:44:20 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:good Wed Jan 28 20:44:37 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:is wood tuz wet wood friendly russ? Wed Jan 28 20:44:51 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:What's voc? Wed Jan 28 20:44:53 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Is it spring already? Wed Jan 28 20:45:23 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Frenchy Very Obnoxious Congress= VOC Wed Jan 28 20:45:30 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:refresh my memory please. is it linseed based or parfanic (my spelling stinks) base Wed Jan 28 20:45:45 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Neither Wed Jan 28 20:45:52 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:opps Wed Jan 28 20:46:07 2004:Underpaid-Fireman [0/] Msg:volitile organic compounds Wed Jan 28 20:46:08 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:and that information is on the do not tell list Wed Jan 28 20:46:27 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Fireman, thanks, I was going to get to that Wed Jan 28 20:46:47 2004:Underpaid-Fireman [0/] Msg:paints are rated that way Wed Jan 28 20:47:10 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ isnt on the the container antway? Wed Jan 28 20:47:36 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:What HAS to be listed is always on the label Wed Jan 28 20:48:05 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:ok now next question please Wed Jan 28 20:48:16 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:lol Wed Jan 28 20:48:21 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it is like saying Sodium Hydroxide is what is in HD-80 Wed Jan 28 20:48:44 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:OK ...I got it guys...I gotta get this pw lingo down somehow....Thanks Wed Jan 28 20:49:01 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:is hd80 a liquid or powder Wed Jan 28 20:49:09 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Powder Wed Jan 28 20:49:28 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:along with the secret too! lol Wed Jan 28 20:49:47 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i know all the secrets lol Wed Jan 28 20:50:08 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:We can currently make a stripper that will take everything off however it can only be made in liquid form Wed Jan 28 20:50:09 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:except the acryllic removal secret lol Wed Jan 28 20:50:18 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I know everones product differs a little or alot but I was just wondering what the oil was in woodtux Wed Jan 28 20:50:38 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:there are 3 oils used Wed Jan 28 20:50:55 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:then the 3 oils Wed Jan 28 20:51:04 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:where can i read about wood Tux Wed Jan 28 20:51:24 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I can tell this is going to be a smart .... night lol Wed Jan 28 20:51:34 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:You can find information on it at TheGrimeScene.com Wed Jan 28 20:51:42 2004:carlgoodbar [0/] Msg:is woodtux easy to use? Wed Jan 28 20:52:17 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:It would be comperable to something like TWP or Cuprinol Wed Jan 28 20:52:29 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Dale, you really think he's giving out the formula? ;) Wed Jan 28 20:52:32 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:a film former? Wed Jan 28 20:52:42 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I can only try cant I? Wed Jan 28 20:52:43 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:You have about 15 min at 80 degrees without worry of overlap Wed Jan 28 20:52:44 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:It's BETTER! Wed Jan 28 20:53:03 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Wood Tux ROCKS Wed Jan 28 20:53:04 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:yes, it is a film former Wed Jan 28 20:53:20 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Beth, what do you think about ease of use? Wed Jan 28 20:53:46 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:What is the highest temp can you apply the wood tux at? Wed Jan 28 20:53:58 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Tricky question! Wed Jan 28 20:54:13 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:reed likes it..says it all... Wed Jan 28 20:54:30 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I have slung a lot of stain and I would not use it above 90 in the sun Wed Jan 28 20:55:05 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:that did not seem tricky and a easy answer at that too Wed Jan 28 20:55:21 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:if it is really hot, watch your coverage. If you start going above 200 Sq/Ft Per gallon it's probably too hot Wed Jan 28 20:55:33 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:well in va in june july and august you would be looking for other work cause its always 90+ Wed Jan 28 20:56:02 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Then you aplly it in the morning or late afternoon Wed Jan 28 20:56:12 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:when its cooler Wed Jan 28 20:56:25 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:yeah, but if it is 95 degrees and I really want to collect, I might mist the wood with water to drop the temp and then stain it as it dries (or perhaps even damp if I have the right product) Wed Jan 28 20:56:28 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i seal 3 in one day Wed Jan 28 20:56:38 2004:Frenchy [0/] Logout:_ Wed Jan 28 20:56:41 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i cant always choose when Wed Jan 28 20:56:48 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Just remember if spraying it midday, work in with a pad or brush. Wed Jan 28 20:57:01 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:QuikCarl what do you use now? Wed Jan 28 20:57:19 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl, if you seal 3 a day, you would have no problem with WT in the heat Wed Jan 28 20:57:22 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Ready Seal and Bio wash Wed Jan 28 20:57:42 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Carl, you'll love this stuff. Really. Wed Jan 28 20:57:56 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Drive up this spring and do a deck w/ Rod and I Wed Jan 28 20:58:01 2004:Russ.C [0/] Disconnect:172.173.14.219 Wed Jan 28 20:58:20 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:beth i believe u i have been reading ur posts 4 over 2 3 ? years on delco board Wed Jan 28 20:59:35 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:carl that bio wash...how do you rate it Wed Jan 28 20:59:56 2004:carlgoodbar [0/] Msg:is it as goof proof as ready seal Wed Jan 28 21:00:04 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:u have to coat it 2 times for it to look decent Wed Jan 28 21:00:20 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Russ will be right back - he got knocked off and had to reboot Wed Jan 28 21:00:33 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:and the colors arent that good i only use it on docks cause its water based Wed Jan 28 21:00:45 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Not quite. Wood Tux is more than oil, it does cure. Wed Jan 28 21:00:58 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:You need to pay attention to verticals a little more. Wed Jan 28 21:00:59 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:QuikCarl wich do like better ready seal or bio wash? Wed Jan 28 21:01:59 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:still trying to get russ to sell over here :< Wed Jan 28 21:02:21 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:ready seal is better 4 me but u cant use it when the moisture in the wood is 14% Wed Jan 28 21:02:29 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Paul come live in the states and your in Wed Jan 28 21:03:05 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:never thoght of that....dohhhhh Wed Jan 28 21:03:23 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:We have used Wood Tux that high no problems Wed Jan 28 21:03:23 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I have hear because we are lucky if it gets anylower than 14%. I live in NJ Wed Jan 28 21:04:01 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i dontu got a moisture meter Wed Jan 28 21:04:11 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:have u got Wed Jan 28 21:04:19 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Paul what part of England do you live in. I have some friends in the Chelmford area Wed Jan 28 21:04:23 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Carl, I can hook you up with a meter ;) Wed Jan 28 21:04:34 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i got one thx Wed Jan 28 21:04:38 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:bin wales the middle by chester Wed Jan 28 21:05:06 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Yes i a moisture meter why? Wed Jan 28 21:05:21 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:to see if it is actually 14 % Wed Jan 28 21:05:39 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Paul not sure where that is Wed Jan 28 21:06:02 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Carl our wood is usaully aroung 14-15% Wed Jan 28 21:06:16 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:My spelling sucks tonight! Wed Jan 28 21:06:28 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:hwhat do u use Fired Wed Jan 28 21:06:34 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:west coast in the middle...150 mile from essex...let me know if you visit sometime Wed Jan 28 21:06:59 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Tux works fine that high Wed Jan 28 21:07:09 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I have used readyseal mostly use cabots. This year I am switching over to woodtux Wed Jan 28 21:07:25 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:You'll love it Dale Wed Jan 28 21:07:28 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:ill have to look at that wood tux Wed Jan 28 21:07:40 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:in action Wed Jan 28 21:07:46 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Carl, I'll bering a sample kit to the Round Table for you Wed Jan 28 21:07:49 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:send him a sample beth Wed Jan 28 21:07:56 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:thx Wed Jan 28 21:08:06 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Paul The last time I was ther was in 84'. That was with the boyscouts. I just email my buddies now Wed Jan 28 21:08:10 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i saw ur web site beth its fantastic Wed Jan 28 21:08:10 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:no problem. One catch...stay and play pool, ok? Wed Jan 28 21:08:20 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:ok Wed Jan 28 21:08:23 2004:Bethrod [-1/QuikCarl] MMPrv:thanks :) Wed Jan 28 21:08:27 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:i c ...ok Wed Jan 28 21:08:43 2004:carlgoodbar [0/] Logout:_ Wed Jan 28 21:08:56 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:But I will hold you up though to your offer. Wed Jan 28 21:09:28 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Dale, you talking to me? Wed Jan 28 21:09:51 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:That was for Paul. Do you have an offer too? Wed Jan 28 21:10:02 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Only the one we spoke about... Wed Jan 28 21:10:10 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:otay Wed Jan 28 21:10:20 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Deckers will be on sale this spring. Wed Jan 28 21:10:42 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:whats a decker Wed Jan 28 21:10:46 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:https://www/thegrimescene.com/Store/ Wed Jan 28 21:11:13 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:it's under construction, but open folks. Lots to add yet though Wed Jan 28 21:11:17 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I think Russ needs to move to more of populated area so he can get a broadband connection Wed Jan 28 21:11:36 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Decker is a sprayer for chems or sealers, hold a 5 gallon pail Wed Jan 28 21:11:50 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Or get off aol. Wed Jan 28 21:11:57 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:That too Wed Jan 28 21:11:57 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:heif he does decks he probally cant afford it im using walkie talkie isp lol Wed Jan 28 21:12:06 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:tell him to move over here beth lol Wed Jan 28 21:12:45 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Goodluck Paul on that one Paul Wed Jan 28 21:12:46 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:He's on a PC that's having technical difficulties. Wed Jan 28 21:13:12 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:what that a loose nut behing the monitor!! Wed Jan 28 21:13:28 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:carnt get a good stain over here Wed Jan 28 21:14:05 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:usaly the problem is between the headphones lol Wed Jan 28 21:14:28 2004:Russ.C [0/] Login: Wed Jan 28 21:14:28 2004:Russ.C [0/] IP:172.148.95.227 Wed Jan 28 21:14:39 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Ahh HA! Wed Jan 28 21:14:39 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Paul, try buying it from the French, they will sell anything to anybody. :) Wed Jan 28 21:15:03 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:and stand on the sidelines too Wed Jan 28 21:15:35 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Welcome back Russ Wed Jan 28 21:15:52 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Oh yeah all it needed was a little tin foil and a 9 volt battery Wed Jan 28 21:16:24 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:do not deal with them al all now Wed Jan 28 21:16:27 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Sound like the hillbillie is coming out of ya Wed Jan 28 21:16:29 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Beth, I saw you talking about the decker. . .I love those Wed Jan 28 21:16:51 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I feel like a hill billy with this land line connection Wed Jan 28 21:17:18 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I bet Wed Jan 28 21:17:20 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:My favorite is the decker topper Wed Jan 28 21:17:45 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:what model is that Russ Wed Jan 28 21:17:55 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it is the same pump gun set up without the cart Wed Jan 28 21:18:13 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Gotcha ya Wed Jan 28 21:18:19 2004:Underpaid-Fireman [0/] Logout:_ Wed Jan 28 21:18:35 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it is designed to be placed on top of a 5 gallon pail, but it works great with drums too Wed Jan 28 21:18:51 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:any sign of these defelting pads ? Wed Jan 28 21:18:56 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Like you new 30 gal containers Wed Jan 28 21:19:03 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:they are small so you can have one for the chems and one for the sealers Wed Jan 28 21:19:09 2004:gmilarck [0/] Logout:_ Wed Jan 28 21:19:46 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Have you seen the pumptec pump? Wed Jan 28 21:19:54 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:No Wed Jan 28 21:19:54 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:working on the defelting pads Wed Jan 28 21:20:12 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:It works nothing like a sureflow. It is a positive displacement piston pump Wed Jan 28 21:20:41 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:It is absolutely ideal for this type of application Wed Jan 28 21:21:16 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Will this come on the deckster Wed Jan 28 21:21:43 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Very easy to work on. I completly rebuilt one for Reed Smith and it only took about 30 min. (don't tell him, I think I billed him for an hour!) Wed Jan 28 21:22:07 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I would think so, it is the best available. Wed Jan 28 21:22:27 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:hey Russ That will be our little secret Wed Jan 28 21:22:30 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Actually I was converting his from 12V to 110 at the same time Wed Jan 28 21:22:54 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Beth will argue with me about this, but I much prefer the 110 v Wed Jan 28 21:24:14 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:How many in here use a maintnance contract? Wed Jan 28 21:24:31 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:how many think beth should add a spell checker? Wed Jan 28 21:24:39 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:meeeee Wed Jan 28 21:24:59 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i use a maintence plan Wed Jan 28 21:25:08 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:I have been married over 35 years and she is very low maintenance. Wed Jan 28 21:25:15 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:maintenance plans rock Wed Jan 28 21:26:06 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:how do you all charge your customers for the maintenance plans? Wed Jan 28 21:26:07 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:got to go to bed sorry all *choochoo* Wed Jan 28 21:26:20 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:real quick, what state is everyone from? Wed Jan 28 21:26:25 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:NJ Wed Jan 28 21:26:25 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Night Paul! Wed Jan 28 21:26:35 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:See ya Paul Wed Jan 28 21:26:48 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:GA, Night Paul. Wed Jan 28 21:26:55 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:byeeee Wed Jan 28 21:27:00 2004:paul-uk [0/] Logout:_ Wed Jan 28 21:28:11 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl, where from? Wed Jan 28 21:28:15 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Guy? Wed Jan 28 21:28:19 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Guy? Wed Jan 28 21:28:25 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Virginia gloucester Wed Jan 28 21:28:36 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Ahhh, right Wed Jan 28 21:28:43 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Sorry just had to do that Wed Jan 28 21:28:46 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Mattia? Wed Jan 28 21:29:08 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, when you were here in ga., did you find the wood generally over 15%? Wed Jan 28 21:29:32 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:moisture? Wed Jan 28 21:29:36 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:yes Wed Jan 28 21:30:34 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Here one for ya russ what the highest moisture % you can go with applying wwodtux? Wed Jan 28 21:30:42 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Jim, I am sorry to admit that when I was in Atlanta, I did not even test for moisture. We hit it with about 3000 psi, sanded for a day or so and returned in about a week and stained it wet or dry Wed Jan 28 21:31:13 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Blown off my chair. Wed Jan 28 21:31:14 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Wow where you green behind the ears Wed Jan 28 21:31:20 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I am all set to pop with that information this spring. Currently it is recommended below 13% Wed Jan 28 21:31:34 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:some of us have used it higher Wed Jan 28 21:31:46 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg::/ Wed Jan 28 21:31:52 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I had no idea what I was doing and there was NO ONE to teach me Wed Jan 28 21:31:59 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:How is the test going Beth with the rain application? Wed Jan 28 21:32:22 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:there were a few companies but that is how everyone did it Wed Jan 28 21:32:32 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:it can be rained on about 30 minutes after application Wed Jan 28 21:32:40 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Gee...that was last summer! Wed Jan 28 21:33:10 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I was just wondering how it has held up Wed Jan 28 21:33:29 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:how do u maintain that wood tux Wed Jan 28 21:34:02 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:wash with efc-38 Wed Jan 28 21:34:16 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:re apply at about 25 sq/ft per gallon Wed Jan 28 21:34:32 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:every 2 to 3 years Wed Jan 28 21:34:50 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:strip with HD-80 every 12-15 years Wed Jan 28 21:35:05 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ 25 sqft a gal. did you miss a zero Wed Jan 28 21:35:11 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Beth, you mentioned vertical surfaces earlier. I need to do strip and stain a wood pool house in the next 4 weeks. Any special techniques I should be aware of? Wed Jan 28 21:35:13 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:brighten as needed with Citralic Wed Jan 28 21:35:19 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:yep Wed Jan 28 21:35:30 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:what is efc58 Wed Jan 28 21:35:35 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:38 Wed Jan 28 21:35:49 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:percarbonate? Wed Jan 28 21:35:53 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:A great precarb cleaner Wed Jan 28 21:35:55 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Yes and more Wed Jan 28 21:36:09 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it will strip most semi-transparent sealers Wed Jan 28 21:36:15 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Here we go with the secrets again lol Wed Jan 28 21:36:21 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:It is a neat formulation Wed Jan 28 21:36:25 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:tricky pH Wed Jan 28 21:37:05 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it shoots up to burn through the finish and then buffers bring it back to about 7 to 7.5 so you don't have to neutralize Wed Jan 28 21:37:11 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:so what ur saying is u need to strip to maintain Wed Jan 28 21:37:40 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:To strip and seal a vertical... Wed Jan 28 21:37:59 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:not at all, use efc-35 at about 30 to 50% stregnth just to clean the surface and open the surface barrier a little to give it some tooth Wed Jan 28 21:38:04 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:you need to make sur you have enough dwell time on the vertical. Wed Jan 28 21:38:20 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:scratch at it, don't rinse too soon. Wed Jan 28 21:38:21 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:efc-38 Wed Jan 28 21:38:22 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Dwell time was my concern. Wed Jan 28 21:38:52 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Did u day it was a penetrating stain Wed Jan 28 21:38:54 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:It's longer. what's coming off the wood and how old? Wed Jan 28 21:38:56 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:say Wed Jan 28 21:39:24 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:yes! Wed Jan 28 21:39:39 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it dives great. Wed Jan 28 21:39:44 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Beth, an old stain. The building is only 4 yrs. old but it looks 15. Wed Jan 28 21:39:48 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:how is it going to penetrate if u dont strip it off? Wed Jan 28 21:40:17 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Use HD-80 4 to6 oz per gallon. Wed Jan 28 21:40:25 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:test it first Wed Jan 28 21:40:32 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Carl do you strip readyseal on your maitenance coats? Wed Jan 28 21:40:41 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:nope never Wed Jan 28 21:40:46 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Ready seal comes of with EFC Wed Jan 28 21:40:51 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:very easy Wed Jan 28 21:40:56 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:I sure hope you are going to post this chat like you did the others. Wed Jan 28 21:41:06 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:yes Wed Jan 28 21:41:13 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl- if you open the surface barrier you will be getting to oils that are not through cured so there is no problem with bonding and it will not sheen Wed Jan 28 21:41:53 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Logout:_ Wed Jan 28 21:42:29 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Login: Wed Jan 28 21:42:29 2004:QuikCarl [0/] IP:65.56.19.197 Wed Jan 28 21:42:41 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Jim once you get to bare wood on the test area then you can work on other areas Wed Jan 28 21:42:41 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:ok got it Wed Jan 28 21:42:44 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Woodtux was engeneerd to be used as part of a "preservation system". We intended for it to be applied and cared for by professionals Wed Jan 28 21:42:52 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Well its about that time. good night every one Wed Jan 28 21:42:55 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:give it a good 20 minutes per coat Wed Jan 28 21:43:27 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Night. Wed Jan 28 21:43:34 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Beth, how about that spell checker? Wed Jan 28 21:43:41 2004:Firedkm [0/] Logout:_ Wed Jan 28 21:43:44 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Night Jim Wed Jan 28 21:43:58 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:So Matt whe are you gonna start doing decks? Wed Jan 28 21:44:04 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:No. Taht was for Firedkm. Wed Jan 28 21:44:22 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Ahh Wed Jan 28 21:44:23 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Night Jim Wed Jan 28 21:44:28 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:I'll post the chat Wed Jan 28 21:44:42 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:It's all so confusing! Wed Jan 28 21:45:00 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Are there any open questions? Wed Jan 28 21:45:06 2004:RyanH [0/] Login: Wed Jan 28 21:45:06 2004:RyanH [0/] IP:68.114.47.207 Wed Jan 28 21:45:15 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Welcome Ryan Wed Jan 28 21:45:21 2004:RyanH [0/] Msg:Thankyou. Wed Jan 28 21:45:32 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:well it was nice talking to u all and i will talk to u later nite all Wed Jan 28 21:45:43 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Night Carl Wed Jan 28 21:45:50 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:night carl Wed Jan 28 21:45:57 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Logout:_ Wed Jan 28 21:46:04 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Did you have any questions Ryan? Wed Jan 28 21:46:11 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Night Carl. Wed Jan 28 21:46:13 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:well I'm turning in soon Wed Jan 28 21:46:18 2004:RyanH [0/] Msg:Not really....just checking out to see what the chats were like. Never been in one before. Wed Jan 28 21:46:26 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Ryan Wed Jan 28 21:46:35 2004:RyanH [0/] Msg:I couldn't pull myself away from the house chores early enough to join. Wed Jan 28 21:46:56 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:You have to convince her it is work Wed Jan 28 21:47:06 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:I'll post the transcript. You be able to read it if you like Wed Jan 28 21:47:31 2004:RyanH [0/] Msg:Hello Beth / Rod (which one is here?). I'm getting very excited about building the new equipment from the new store you guys are putting together. Wed Jan 28 21:47:47 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Ryan, they are fantastic.. Read the transcript when it is posted. Wed Jan 28 21:48:33 2004:RyanH [0/] Msg:I will do that. I have had some customers asking if I also do woodcare. Like a good professional, I say "not yet, but I'm learning." I am learning a great deal because of this board. It is priceless. Wed Jan 28 21:49:04 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Glad to hear you say that Wed Jan 28 21:49:27 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I try to be here to help each Wed night Wed Jan 28 21:49:35 2004:RyanH [0/] Msg:Okay, I'll check out the transcript later. Time to go and spend time with my new wife ;) Take care everyone. Wed Jan 28 21:49:45 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:You too Wed Jan 28 21:49:48 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Thank you :) Wed Jan 28 21:49:51 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:thanks for joining Wed Jan 28 21:49:59 2004:RyanH [0/] Logout:_ Wed Jan 28 21:50:04 2004:Bethrod [0/] Logout:_ Wed Jan 28 21:51:02 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, before I go. I think I am going to need some help on about 20 decks at a condo here in atl. Do you know of anyone you could point me to? Wed Jan 28 21:51:41 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Not off hand Wed Jan 28 21:51:52 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Just thouhgt I would ask. Wed Jan 28 21:52:07 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I will keep thinking Wed Jan 28 21:52:34 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I can check with a few of our customers and see if they would like to work with you Wed Jan 28 21:52:43 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:We have a few in that area Wed Jan 28 21:53:02 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:That would be great. Wed Jan 28 21:53:40 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I will talk to Beth and find out who would be a likely candidate and have her forward you contact information. Wed Jan 28 21:53:57 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Great Wed Jan 28 21:54:47 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Guy, you have been quiet. Wed Jan 28 21:54:56 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Have you got any thoughts or questions? Wed Jan 28 21:55:24 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Well I am going to pull the plug on this end. I want to wish all of you a very warm weekend, something over 40 degrees. Bye all. Wed Jan 28 21:55:32 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I think our thrilling conversation has lulled him to sleep Wed Jan 28 21:56:04 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Logout:_ Wed Jan 28 21:57:48 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Well, if there are no more questions, I think I will also call it a night. Wed Jan 28 21:59:33 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Thank you all for joining Wed Night Wood Chat. Hope to see you back next week. 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Transitioning to Teamwork - Without Losing Control by Paula Gamonal The Opportunity Teamwork is a hugely popular buzzword in the workplace these days. Many companies experiment with some forms of teamwork, with varying degrees of success. Unfortunately, a number of things can go wrong with such an experiment, and at the first sign of substandard performance, a company may give up the "teamwork thing" and go back to a command and control environment. Relationships between managers and workers may be worse than they were before the beginning of the experiment. Trust and credibility suffers on both sides of the fence. How can you "hedge your bets" and make your company a more teamlike environment and reap the benefits of creativity, individual contribution, improved morale, and synergy without the risk of things getting out of control? The Solution The solution involves ensuring that you're not just jumping blindly on the bandwagon with a team approach that may not be appropriate or well thought-out for your environment. Make sure you're changing for the right reasons, that you set appropriate boundaries, (teamwork is not anarchy!) that you communicate everything to everyone effectively, that you negotiate roles and responsibilities, that you measure performance and that you give it time. Change for the Right Reasons Teamwork is not a new innovation in the workplace, but it has been getting a lot of attention lately. The reasons for its insurgence include a number of social, economic and practical factors, including: The "worker's market" economy and low unemployment rate cause employers to value employee contributions more and want to keep good people when they find them. Most employees are more committed to a company's success when they have more input into the processes and outcomes. Many industries, especially those involving technology and creativity, benefit from steady sources of new, fresh ideas and approaches. Teamwork rings true with many cultural values, including democracy and the inherent value of each individual. People have a basic human need to be a part of a group that is accomplishing a common purpose. Teamwork makes them feel more included in contributing to that common purpose, rather than just supporting the guy above them on the "totem pole." Put a Fence Around It- Teamwork Is Not Anarchy Although one of the tenets of teamwork is that everyone has a say; there are some things that do not change. There is a "Social Contract" (to borrow Rousseau's term) of each society and each company that people enter into, whether it's expressed or implied. Expressing your "social contract" on paper cuts down on misunderstandings, and gives the company the means to clarify its position and/or put the kabosh on any type of behavior that may be dangerous to the welfare of the company. This should be a living document that allows for input from a number of people (everybody in the company, if your workforce is small and/or mature enough to allow for it) and should include: Your company's mission, goals and objectives Expectations of each person to contribute to the mission, goals and objectives. This can include items like: Time accounting Interaction/representation standards with customers Interaction standards with other employees Problem/conflict resolution process, etc. Decide before the fact that conflicts or disagreements will be resolved by a popular vote, or a neutral third party, or somebody in a leadership role. If everyone agrees to this beforehand, it will save everyone a lot of angst down the road. An employee with a problem is much more likely to continue to be a contributor if he or she feels like he or she is being treated fairly even if he doesn't agree with every decision. In a worst-case scenario, this will also make it somewhat less messy to deal with a discipline or termination action. (Although it's far more likely to come to that if everyone understands the playing field up front.) Communicate, Communicate, Communicate In any environment (whether it's team-oriented or not) communication, or lack thereof, is the source of most people problems. Just as the media is an integral part of a democracy (the population can't be expected to make informed decisions if they don't get complete, unaltered information) a company's communication system is an integral part of the success of a team-based organization. The more and better information each person has, the better his or her contributions are likely to be. This includes mass communications to level the playing field and ensure everyone is informed of basic facts and developments, and providing the vehicles for individuals and workgroups to share the results of their work or research with one another. The Means "Town-Hall" meetings Presentations Announcements Posters E-mails Inter/Intra/Extranets Newsletters/periodicals Memos The Message Policy Changes Reminders Requests for suggestions Process Development of Need for Use of Problem/conflict resolution process, etc. Contributions Measurements How we're doing Meaningful comparisons Consequences (to stock price, earnings per share, profit-sharing, incentive pay, or some other bottom-line measurement that answers the question- 'so what?') Negotiate Roles and Responsibilities Any time you make a change to the role or responsibilities of a person on an existing workforce, you risk a thousand insecurities and trigger resistance if you do not communicate and negotiate the transition in a respectful way. They accepted a position with your company with a certain understanding and certain assumptions. Changing the rules of the game midway is almost never successful unless the people understand what's going on and are motivated to make it work. Involving people in the process of making the change is an excellent way to: Get better information (after all they're more knowledgeable about the immediate subject matter of what needs to be done.) Engender cooperation and buy-in. With an existing workforce, brainstorm everything that needs to be done. (This can be depersonalized by having people write them on sticky notes and post them. ) List the items and evaluate them against existing skill sets, and "nominate" specific employees (or allow them to volunteer) for tasks. Always ensure they agree to what they're being asked to perform. There are always some jobs or tasks that no one wants. Ensure these are tied with some special compensation, or are rotated, or given some special recognition. Measure Performance Just the knowledge that you're being observed tends to affect your behavior. Posting measurements in an obvious place (Group A turned out 500 widgets this week) will help spotlight areas that are doing well or need improvement. Holding teams accountable for performance, including positive and negative consequences, is sometimes inherent in the measurement process. You may also tie profit-sharing or other compensation to consequences of team performance in a meaningful way. Holding a team accountable, and giving them the means to hold individuals within the team accountable, is also a very powerful thing. Having individual recognition for contributions, or having the means to suggest that team members challenge one another respectfully to improve their performance is much more effective than having the overall management (which is generally too far from the situation to see it accurately) perform these functions. Teams who nominate one another for promotions or who can nix or hold a promotion or raise based on performance tend to take the responsibility seriously and do a much more thorough and efficient job of these functions than someone detached from the individuals day to day performance. Give it Time Outline a specific time period, with expectations and outcomes. Indicate to the company that a performance system or policy change will be tested for six months, and you expect a measurable outcome with consequences. If productivity, (or whatever you're measuring) increases by X%, the policy change will stand and others will be considered. Cultural changes require time. Teamwork is a time-intensive process at the front end. Command and control environments may seem much more efficient in the short run, because there are no decisions to be made 'down the line,' roles are predefined, and there are no questions. Teamwork takes time for everyone to work through the questions and alignments, to settle into working relationships, and get down to work. However, in almost every case you end up with a more stable, highly-functioning group in the long run. Conclusion It is possible to move to a team environment without losing control of your company. Teamwork is not magic, however, and good results depend on hard work and preparation on everyone's part. By researching the factors outlined in this article (and doing further reading in the Resources section) you can take advantage of factors learned by the challenges others have survived (or not!) Team-based companies tend to be much more flexible to market changes; able to attract and keep quality employees; and in our opinions, much more creative and interesting places to go to work every day. http://www.ravenwerks.com/teamwork/transitioning.htm

Five Levels of Decision Making J.T. Taylor, M.A. Leaders make solid decisions and commit to seeing them through. Losers put off decisions and mess around with them once they are made. A key skill in becoming a successful leader is the skill of decision making. It is surprising how many people don't like to make decisions. They do all kinds of things to keep the moment of decision at arms length including: gathering more data, talking to more people, not thinking about the decision, fretting over who the decision might offend, worrying about the resources needed to pull the decision off, hoping the problem will go away on its own, etc. Good leaders develop the skill of making the best decision possible with the best information possible in the timeliest manner. They are quick to decide and quick to take responsibility for their decisions - positive or negative. Successful leaders have learned that action is vital. They know procrastination kills. There live with the reality of consequences and know there will always be uncertainty in decisions. No one can see all possible ramifications; no one can predict every contingency; no one can absolutely prevent failure. Leaders know that failure is not final, it is a learning opportunity. The real danger surrounding decision making is not "will I make the wrong decision" but "did I make the best decision possible given the facts and circumstances". Strong leaders will always recover from poor decisions - they learn and become wiser. But losers will mess around and miss opportunities. And once they finally make a decision, chances are their decision will have no momentum, no passion and no urgency. In addition to a bias for action, good decision makers approach decision making with some foundational strategies. These strategies can best be summed up with three questions: 1. What is the downside? If the liability involved is significant, and is even marginally possible, then the decision is "no, go find other options." One of the leader's most important jobs is to protect the organization. Exposing the organization to undue risk is never wise. 2. What is the cost/benefit ratio? Every decision is a trade-off between costs (usually company resources) and benefits (usually claims aimed at increasing company resources). Smart leaders use the cost/benefit ratio to leverage growth and profitability. Good decisions are highly leveraged with low cost/high benefit. Poor decisions are high cost/low benefit. When leaders find low cost/high benefit opportunities (with minor liability of course) the decision is, "Yes, let's do it." 3. Who needs to be involved with this decision? Good leaders understand that making decisions goes far beyond being in charge and calling the shots. Decision making is also one of the best developmental tools at their disposal. In order to create momentum around decisions the leader must cultivate commitment. Asking for input, especially from key stakeholders, is critical for momentum and effective implementation. The Five Levels of Decision Making The following are five levels of involvement leaders use when deciding who should be part of the decision making process: Level One: Leader makes the decision alone. This is used especially in emergency situations where immediate action is critical. Input is not helpful, quick action and immediate compliance is what counts. Level Two: Leader makes the decision with input from key stakeholders. The leader seeks input, usually to cover blind spots and enhance their depth of understanding around the issue to be decided. Stakeholders hold important information and not consulting them would be foolish. Level Three: Consensus building - leader gets final say. Leader solicits input from a variety of sources, builds consensus around a specific direction, allows the group to make a recommendation of which the leader must finally approve. This level takes considerable skill and is where developing leaders often make mistakes. Solid decision makers are well versed in the skill sets of this level. Level Four: Delegate the decision to someone else. The authority and responsibility are clearly shifted away from the leader (usually to a direct report). Both the leader and the direct report live with the consequences - good or bad. The leader reviews the decision, but does not change it and uses it as an opportunity for development. Level Five: True consensus. Leader fully delegates the decision to a group (usually a committee). If the leader is part of the committee then he/she is just one vote among many. The group processes all the decisions involved, compromises positions until everyone is in agreement. Strong leaders understand the process decisions must go through to be effective. As leaders move higher in organizations the demand upon their time and influence also increases. The temptation to use the power of position to make things happen is high. Rookie leaders will often get caught in this trap and learn expensive lessons when decisions go bad. Hopefully you can avoid these mistakes and make effective decision by using the three questions. You can find more team building articles at Team Building USA. Team Building USA guarantees our corporate team building clients a 150% return on investment. You may reprint this article by requesting permission from: JTTaylor@teambuildingusa.com or by calling (619) 445-0500. http://www.teambuildingusa.com/article-making-effective-decisions.asp

Teamwork Your Way To The Top By Alan Weiss, Ph.D., CMC "It is amazing what can be accomplished, when you don't care who gets the credit." --- John Wooden I'm sitting poolside at the Marriott Resort in Lihue, Kauai. There are four waterfalls embracing five Jacuzzis, a bridge connecting to an island in the middle of the pool, and enough palm trees to constitute a coconut plantation, shielding the pool from the Pacific. But I'm focused on a small patch of ground beside my chair where my wife has accidentally dropped a two-inch piece of bread from her lunch. There are eight dove-like birds focused quite determinedly on devouring this manna. Yet unlike most birds I've seen, from pigeons to sea gulls, they are not fighting over the morsel, but cooperating. The birds form a disciplined circle around the bread, reminiscent of a rugby scrum, but without the eye-gouging violence. As the crust is pecked and flipped around, the scrum moves to new locations, always intent on surrounding the bread, now progressively disappearing under the jack-hammer attacks of the syncopated beaks. The eight birds all eat heartily. Other doves, on the perimeter, make no attempt to horn-in. There is no room. Nor is there any apparent animosity. These birds are engaged in a win-win exercise. Finally, the remnant of bread is tossed inadvertently (I presume) well outside the scrum, where a lone sparrow, biding his time, grabs the gift and flies away as though jet- propelled. The doves seem to shrug it off, gather up the remaining crumbs, and wander off to search under other lounge chairs. They form a well-organized search party, and head toward what appears to be a lone French fry. For a longer time than I like to admit I viewed the world as a zero-sum game. If I were going to "win," then you had to "lose." And if you were "winning," then I must surely be losing. Too often I would deride others to elevate myself, which is not really an elevation but actually a descent. There is a thin line between healthy competition and malice aforethought. Life is not an athletic event. There should be more than one "winner." Success should encourage benevolence and philanthropy, not victory dances and "high fives." With rare exception, we are neither hunting for scarce food nor protecting remote safe havens. The doves knew that there were plenty of spilled lunches in their territory, and that it was dysfunctional to argue and fight. Cooperation meant moderate shares in numerous meals with no stress and no damage. We do ourselves too much stress and too much damage when we insist on an "all or nothing" approach to the challenges in our lives and our work. When we intelligently share-information, credit, preferences, earnings, victories, comfort, and other trappings of power-we elevate everyone, including ourselves. The greatest business leaders I've ever seen as a consultant are those who personally accept responsibility for failure but generously share credit for success. Their subordinates, peers, and friends support them without reservation and will follow their lead in any direction. There is enough bread for us all. Let's not peck at our colleagues over a crust. TEAMWORK TIPS Praise publically, correct privately Ask for input on decisions which affect others - and use it Credit others when praise is thrown your way Focus on the positives in your teammates and their negatives will begin to fade This article (and many more excellent articles) can be found at: www.summitconsulting.com. On that site you will find an excellent newsletter: Balancing Act: Blending Life, Work, and Relationships [TM]. This article has been used with the express permission of Alan Weiss, Ph.D., CMC and is under full copywrite protection. You can find more team building articles at Team Building USA. Team Building USA guarantees our corporate team building clients a 150% return on investment. You may reprint this article by requesting permission from: JTTaylor@teambuildingusa.com or by calling (619) 445-0500. http://www.teambuildingusa.com/article-teamwork-your-way-to-the-top.asp

You heard him folks, when you vote, please post too! :groovy3: Tim, please understand I was trying to make it easier for folks to feel comfortable posting. Beth

And we might not get responses over 500K. But a poll will likely draw more results than posting in the thread will, since this is sensitive info. Beth

I thought this might get more traffic as a poll, since others might not want to share who they are. OK guys....let's VOTE on Tim's question. Beth

Nothing...but then, this is the Club House forum. It doesn't have to. ;)

That's correct. The pads are awsome. We used them all summer. We have several leads now, one reall good one, and hope to hear back soon on when we can expect them. We'll be buying them in bulk when we have a source lined up. Beth

Hi Gordon, I'm sorry to hear you disagree and don't want to edit your post. We're going to leave it for now, and even though you aren't coming back to read this (hey I can email it to you) I want you to understand why we take the position we do. Over the past several years there have been a number of BBS's out there that have been very good and contained alot of helpful info. Our BBS is by no means the first, or even the best, but it is one thing that some of the others are not, and that is professional in content. See, on some boards anyone can go and post and can make comments that can be very hurtful, evem though they might seem innocent. These comments might be about race, religion, nationality, or simply name calling. Many of us as children grew up bullied and called names. As adults we discontinue this behavior and embrace logic, listening, and reational thinking as a means of being peaceful people. Do we have a low tolerance here where cutting loose is concerned? In some ways yes. We encourage others to learn and grow, and be professional and respectful. Now with regards to the US Constitution, freedom of speech is one of our most dear and valued freedoms. However, our founding fathers acted a bit differently that we did, were far more formal and conservative, and did not in all likelihood envision what society in this century would be like. Look at the way they lived and how they addressed one another, with maturity and respect, and you'll see what I mean. Even battles were fought with a certain polite sense of order if you look back to how soldier used to march. Isn't the reason you came here and began posting because you felt this was a place for professionals to come? Maybe we are too tough. Maybe we hold the bar too high. But maybe we do this so that others have a place aim for. We aren't perfect around here, but we are all trying to be better professionals and people. Gordon, we hope you'll come back and if or when you do you'll be just as welcome here as you were the first time you posted. Our best, Beth & Rod

Brian, We appreciate the offer, but also understand your enthusiasm as well. We wish you luck in your endeavor. They're fine where they are. ;) Beth & Rod

We're in touch with various companies too, 3M included, and are working on a reliable source. As soon as we have one and can take an order YOU can trust to be filled, we'll announce it. At this time we hope that the buy in levels will not be so outrageous that we will have to ask for pre-orders. This is a product we all need, and The Grime Scene is working HARD to be a source for these. Beth & Rod p.s. seen the new store yet? click the STORE button up top...it's open! (not all items are listed, but we're getting there!)

...Thanks Brian...

Bingo. Stress Kills.

Ryan, Email me or call me toll free. We are in the midst of building a new online store, and everything you could need, we can get. Beth;)

Thank you to all who have edited your posts. We look forward to reading more of this lively discussion. ;) Beth & Rod

Hmmmmm.... another thread perhaps? Good vs. Evil? :2eyes:

Judas Escariat was jewish and betrayed Christ. Pilot was Roman, and worshipped the House Gods of Rome. Beth

Yeah Paul, but the Extend-A-Wand blows the other poles out of the water, no pun intended. We have owned the conventional twist lock, fiberglass style poles. NO comparison. The Extend-A-Wand supports its own weight when you squeeze the trigger. If you are right handed it lifts up and you'll use your left on top to keep it where you want it. I'll look for a photo of Rod using it and post it. Beth

This thread has the potential to become as popular as the Faith vs. Fact thread. But we see a few things that need to be addressed now before moving forward... :grrr:We don't call names, post inflamatory remarks or curse on this BBS. It's disrespectful and unprofessional. It is possible to share views without that sort of mud slinging. :grrr: All who have posted are encouraged to go back and reread their posts to edit them for content and tone them down so they will not be pointed or offensive. If they have not been edited by the end of the day, the Moderators or Admins will edit them. We want you to have first crack at clarifying you points professionally, and we encourage you to take the opportunity to do so. Please contact any of us if you need help editing your posts. Beth & Rod Administrators ;) :cool:

You might not need it with Extend-A-Wand.... Rod doesn't need his anymore. The pole is just that good.

I think so. Also you can do that search on PWNA.org and there will be email addresses for many. ;)