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Article on Marketing Part I - from www.pwnabbs.org Marketing for Fleet Washing Introduction Mobile fleet washing is normally an after hours service that is provided at the customers convenience, when the fleet is not in operation. For obvious reasons this market is normally serviced during hours when the fleet is not in operation. For this reason it is an easy market to service part time while still working a full time, 8am to 5pm, job. Finding this market is time consuming but relatively simple. The benefits provided to a customer are timesavings, less costs, and increase productivity. The Market Fleet Washing has a broad customer base. There are many different types of companies that may operate a fleet, such as, the post office, trucking companies, food distributors, beverage companies, heavy haulers, etc. Company image, regulations, easier maintenance, and warranty issues influence the decision for fleet washing. Customer perception behind a clean fleet is probably the single most motivating factor for fleet washing. Compare the impressions given by a dirty fleet and that of a clean fleet that delivers food to you favorite supermarket. All consumers are easily influenced by visual representations. Government regulations also effect the cleaning of trucks. Transports of food and food grade materials must meet specified degree of cleanliness before loads can be loaded for shipments. Petroleum trucking firms must keep all visible signs of hydrocarbons cleaned form all visible surfaces to insure the prevention of leaks. Some states even require that all trucks entering into their jurisdiction be cleaned free of all signs of soil. Mechanics find it easier to work on a piece of equipment when it is clean because problems are easier to find. Plus the attitude of a repair tech is greatly improved when the equipment in need of repair is not covered in grease and oil. When owners are in need of warranted repairs the dealers are more inclined to do the work if they believe a piece of equipment has been properly maintained. Cleaning regularly will impress on a dealer that proper maintenance has been performed on the fleet. Though wash cycle will vary from one to four weeks with different customers the most popular is every two weeks. Customer preference, budget, regulations, area of travel, and miles driven will effect how often a prospect will need to get a fleet washed. The more strongly a company believes in image the more likely they will be to clean their fleet on a higher frequency. As always prospects have budgets and are interested in achieving the most bang for the buck, this is why the two week wash cycle is the most popular. At the end of a two week period most fleets are just beginning to show signs of becoming dirty. Whereas, at the end of one week the fleet probably shows little signs of being dirty. Of course weather will have the strongest bearing how on quickly most fleets become soiled. Close government regulations may have the strongest influence on how often a transporter gets washed. Sometimes causing them to clean as often as every day to stay in compliance. As mentioned previously, food distributors, petroleum transporters, and even chemical companies fall into this category. City driving on paved road in comparison with dirt roads in the country will always require less cleaning. Even parking the equipment on a paved lot will keep it cleaner than parking the equipment on a gravel lot. The dirt stirred up when trucks pull in and out of a gravel lot gets all the other equipment dirtier at a faster rate. Furthermore, the number of miles driven effects how dirty the fleet gets. Some fleets will make numerous deliveries in the city without driving a large amount of miles and only need to be cleaned once a month. Unlike a fleet that will make few deliveries traveling many miles in a week requiring a weekly wash cycle. Over the past few year the fleet owners and mobile wash operators have been faced with a new dilemma concerning the wash water. To be in compliance with storm water regulation the wash water is not supposed to enter into the waters of the state. Waters of the state are normally defined as any conveyance of storm water run off such as creek, rivers, lakes, streams, etc. Usually, this means no off property discharge of wash water and in some areas it also means that the wash water can not even hit the ground. The mobile fleet washing industries can solve this problem for the fleet owner preventing the installation of an expensive wash bay. Finding Fleets Commercial and industrialized areas are the most likely areas to find fleets, since ownership is generally associated with a business operation. Though this is true it is not uncommon to find fleets in other areas like the country. The best way to go about finding these prospects is to get a local map. Locate the business districts on this map. Take the time to drive up and down the streets in this area to find the equipment. After hours is always the best time to do this since it’s the time when the fleets are most likely to be parked. Weekends are perfect for this and usually Sunday will produce the highest results. If there happens to be anyone working, approach him or her and inquire about the fleet washing situation. Some questions that are good to ask are: “Who would I talk to about washing your trucks?”, “How do you get your fleet cleaned?” If the person responds by stating that they have a contractor doing it them ask, “How happy are you with the current wash service?”, “Are they showing up like they are supposed to?”, “Are they providing the quality of service that is expected?”, “Do you know how much you are being charge for the service?”, “Do you think they would be interested in getting another bid?”. If the person responds by stating that they do their own cleaning then ask, “How well does your wash person keep up with the fleet?”, “How often is the wash equipment broke down?”, “What do you do when things get too busy to clean the fleet yourselves?”. All these questions can lead to a sales pitch that can later be use in a presentation. Another source for finding leads is to purchase information from marketing firms that can access DOT (Department of Transportation) records. The firm can prequalify potential leads by selecting companies that meet certain criteria: Geographical - “What county should the search be performed in?”, Quantity - “How many vehicles must be registered per owner?” Usually ten or more, Equipment capacity – “What GVW (gross vehicle weight) to look for?” The list will include such things as company name, contact, address, phone no., etc. Networking with related trades is also great for generating prospects. When looking for such trades think of those that will be providing a mobile service to a fleet like a tire service, after hours fueling service, windshield companies, onsite maintenance, etc. Typically an exchange of current customers and potential leads will take place if a good relationship can be established. The intent of both parties is very important here. Both must feel strongly about protecting the list from the other parties’ competitors. Normally such a relationship cannot be established in a short period of time. In this situation it is best to exchange business cards and brochures. This will generally lead to a future exchange of referral business. Referrals are good and can generate a lot of business if handled properly. It is preferable to do a straight exchange when doing referrals, no monetary compensation. Although there are some situation when it is not possible to return the quantity of referrals received. If this is the case one should always try to compensate the referring party for their efforts. This way the stream of leads still come in and the relationship is kept on enthusiastic grounds. __________________ Michael Hinderliter Steamaway, Inc. Fleet Washing and Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning www.steamaway.com, Phone:888-39-STEAM, Certified in Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning and Environmental Cleaning.

Here is an article on Aluminum Brightning from www.pwnabbs.org Aluminum Brightening Aluminum is a metal that is relatively strong in comparison to its weight. This makes it an attractive metal for use in the construction of transportation equipment because a transporter of goods can move more products at a lower cost. It is normally used in the construction of the shell. Unfortunately, aluminum will oxidize and lose its luster. Normally oxidation on aluminum is white but when a container is transported down the highway the oxidation picks up dirt and pollutants that become imbedded within the oxidation causing it to take on the color of those pollutants. The color will vary depending on the environment that the aluminum is exposed to; turning it shades of brown, black, or red. This oxidation is difficult to remove using normal truckwash detergents. This is why after a typical wash job, using an alkaline soap and brushing; the surface may still remain dirty. In order to remove this oxidation a chemical abrasive is normally used such as an acidic or strong caustic solution. To use these chemicals effectively equipment, application, temperature, and safety must all be considered. First and most important, always remember to keep safety in mind when working with acids these are aggressive cleaners that can cause bodily harm. Employees should be trained in proper use, safety precautions and treatment to neutralize over exposure. Protective gear should include, but not limited to, acid resistant protective wear such as rubber gloves, rubber boots, jacket, pants, and face shield. Brightening removes an extremely fine layer of the aluminum surface exposing a new one. This is not flawless, a chemical process known a passivating occurs whereby small pits form. The degree of passivating will vary with the type of brightner, its strength, and dwell time. This pitting process causes the light to be reflected at different angles when striking these pits thereby changing it’s appearance. The change in appearance will move from a polished look to satin to a chalky one, as the pits become deeper and more abundant. Furthermore, these pits will cause the aluminum to get dirty faster. As the surface of a container has contaminates moving across it they will fall into the pits and become lodged. Temperature has an effect on the cleaning ability of acid. Generally acids work best when the temperature is above 70 degrees. The warmer it is the more active the acid will be. Therefore it is best to heat the water if possible to maximize usage. Most pressure washers are not designed for extreme chemical resistance. Therefore the use of up stream injection to apply the chemical is not an option. Meaning the chemical should not be pulled through the pump because it could cause extensive damage to the pump, unloader, coils, etc. Two other options are available known as down stream injection, after the pump, and the use of a chemical applicator. Typically, a down stream injector is coupled into the pressure line where the chemical will only flow through the pressure hose and the gun to the operator. This is accomplished by using a device to switch between low and high pressure at wand. The low pressure side of the switch will create a vacuum at the injector causing chemical to be drawn in, this is called a venturi draw effect. Whereas the high pressure side of the switch eliminates the vacuum and stops the flow of chemical into the pressure hose. Pump up sprayers and low volume pumps that are chemically resistant may also be used as a direct method to apply a brightner. If the surface to be brightened has a fair amount of soil and grease on it, it is best to remove them prior to applying the brightner. This will reduce the usage and repeated applications required to achieve desired results. Furthermore, acid is a very poor cleaner for removing hydrocarbons (greases and oils). Using acids on the surface of aluminum must be done in a manner to prevent streaking. To get the best results work with small areas and apply the acid from the bottom up. Otherwise streaks will form as the chemical runs down the side of the container where no acid has been applied. It is good to follow this with a detergent that has a PH above 9 to neutralize the lower PH of the acid. The detergent is applied from the top down. The reason for using a neutralizer is to eliminate the possibility of any unwanted corrosion to the container after the acidizing process. It is not uncommon for the aluminum to be bond together other bare metal such as steel rivets and bolts. These other exposed metals will react differently with the acid and may cause black streaks to form below them if the acid is left on the surface too long. The dwell time for the acid should be from 30 to 60 seconds. Do not allow the acid to dry because once it dries on the surface it will lose all its cleaning ability. Furthermore, acid can etch glass causing a haze. If this happens a glass detching compound can be used to restore the surface. Polished aluminum presents the most challenge to the contractor since the only way to remove oxidation is to remove the polish. The best possible solution is to do this with minimal effect to the shine. This is achieved by applying brightners at very low concentrations. Brightening should be postponed as long as possible. Most all aluminum brightners have one of the following for a bases: Hydrofluoric acid (Amoniumbifloride – granule form of Hydrofluoric Acid), Sulfuric Acid, Phosphoric Acid, Hydrochloric Acid (Muratic), or Sodium Hydroxide (Caustic). Hydrofluoric acid used to be a very common acid used to brighten aluminum but do to the safety hazards involved with using it it’s not as common as it used to be. This acid will cause no irritation when applied to the skin instead it will cause discomfort after it reaches the bone and begins to react with the calcium. Due to this, most suppliers and end users have switched to one of the other brightner bases. The most aggressive acids are Sulfuric and Hydrofluoric, which will clean faster but will give the aluminum more of a chalky appearance. Phosphoric Acid being a less aggressive acid will leave aluminum with more of a satin finish. It is the acid of choice for use on polished aluminum surfaces. However, with repeated use, it too will eventually turn the surface of the aluminum chalky. Caustic and Hydrochloric Acid can actually burn the surface if left on too long. This burning will turn the aluminum a brown or black. If this happens just neutralize the surface and reapply the chemical to remove burn. Furthermore there is the possibility that hydrogen embrittlement may occur with the use of Hydrochloric Acid. A process where by the metal becomes brittle from the acid and it is weakened. It should be obvious that Hydrochloric should never be used to brighten any aircraft. Hydrochloric will also rust steel quite rapidly. In conclusion, keep the following in mind when working with these brightners. The reactivity of the brightner will depend on type, concentration, dwell time, and temperature. Be aware of where the overspray will go, these chemicals can have undesirable effects on surrounding equipment. In general, keep up with past and current developments that effect your trade by reading trade publications as this one and joining trade organization such as PWNA (Power Washers of North America). __________________ Michael Hinderliter Steamaway, Inc. Fleet Washing and Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning www.steamaway.com, Phone:888-39-STEAM, Certified in Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning and Environmental Cleaning.

Wed Dec 17 19:48:31 2003:bethrod [0/] Login: Wed Dec 17 19:48:31 2003:bethrod [0/] IP:199.183.170.103 Wed Dec 17 19:54:41 2003:bethrod [0/] Logout:_ Wed Dec 17 20:03:54 2003:Russell_C [0/] Login: Wed Dec 17 20:03:54 2003:Russell_C [0/] IP:172.140.167.179 Wed Dec 17 20:04:47 2003:Bethrod [0/] Login: Wed Dec 17 20:04:47 2003:Bethrod [0/] IP:199.183.170.103 Wed Dec 17 20:04:57 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Russ Wed Dec 17 20:05:09 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Welcome to Wed Night Wood Chat Wed Dec 17 20:05:36 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Did you get my email from a few days ago? Wed Dec 17 20:06:04 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:nope Wed Dec 17 20:06:19 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:I'll resend it. Wed Dec 17 20:06:36 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Also the mailer for tonight was about wood sided homes. Wed Dec 17 20:07:58 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Dani Girl told me Wed Dec 17 20:08:00 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:it's in your email not - titled this is not spam Wed Dec 17 20:08:31 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:ooops in your email now - titled this is not spam Wed Dec 17 20:10:21 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:reading it now Wed Dec 17 20:10:31 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:People are already asking when Brown Sugar will be available Wed Dec 17 20:10:49 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:and guys are saying they will try Wood Tux this spring. Wed Dec 17 20:16:52 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Login: Wed Dec 17 20:16:52 2003:JimCrossley [0/] IP:67.75.131.209 Wed Dec 17 20:17:07 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Welcome to Wood Chat Wed Dec 17 20:17:32 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Hi, sorry I am late. I entered the old chat room via a url. Wed Dec 17 20:17:50 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Jim, how are you tonight? Wed Dec 17 20:18:08 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I think we can find room for you Wed Dec 17 20:18:46 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Hi Beth, I am glad it is going to be warmer tomorrow. Wed Dec 17 20:19:06 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:We had snow and ice here today. I miss deck season. Wed Dec 17 20:20:05 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Except for today, I have been working with wood for the past week. :) Wed Dec 17 20:20:25 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Deck season is over in St Louis Wed Dec 17 20:20:47 2003:Bethrod [0/] Logout:_ Wed Dec 17 20:21:32 2003:Firedkm [0/] Login: Wed Dec 17 20:21:32 2003:Firedkm [0/] IP:68.45.38.97 Wed Dec 17 20:21:41 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, you mentioned 2 weeks ago that Atlanta is a great place for developing wood house restoration. So here I am to night. Wed Dec 17 20:22:18 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Have you done any scouting yet? Wed Dec 17 20:23:05 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Hello Russ and Jim Wed Dec 17 20:23:23 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:how are you this evening? Wed Dec 17 20:23:32 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:No, this would be a new venture for me. We only do about 5% residential. Wed Dec 17 20:23:53 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Very cold Wed Dec 17 20:24:08 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:And good evening to you also Wed Dec 17 20:24:11 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I wish I could remember some street names for you, but it has been a while since we were there Wed Dec 17 20:25:15 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:You can look in your yellow pages and find home builders that specialize in wood siding and find the neighborhoods that they developed Wed Dec 17 20:26:02 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Jim, have you ever restored a deck? Wed Dec 17 20:26:21 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russell_C do you have any picture of any decks done with the wood tux? Wed Dec 17 20:26:25 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Fantastic idea. I was planning on going to the primary cedar suppliers and ask who their majjor customers are. Wed Dec 17 20:26:51 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:You can get them through Beth Wed Dec 17 20:27:02 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:ok Wed Dec 17 20:27:05 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I think she has some on her web site Wed Dec 17 20:27:25 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Yes, I have restored a number of decks. But they have all been PT pine. Most homes around here are cedar. Wed Dec 17 20:27:40 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I have only found one on her site and that was one done by Reed Wed Dec 17 20:27:52 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Looked very good too Wed Dec 17 20:27:56 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:In my opinion cedar homes are much easier to clean Wed Dec 17 20:28:29 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:gravity works for you Wed Dec 17 20:28:45 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, that is good to know. I have a cedar home myself and I was going to be my test site. Wed Dec 17 20:29:09 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:That is excellent! Do you have any questions? Wed Dec 17 20:29:23 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Do you know what the existing finish is? Wed Dec 17 20:29:28 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Jim thats the best way to practice and screw up and not **** any customers off Wed Dec 17 20:30:20 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Yes, 1st is that the I need to know how to remove a semi-transparent stain. But it looks closer to paint in real life. Wed Dec 17 20:31:06 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Jim-So I take it you don't know the brand? Wed Dec 17 20:31:42 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:It was a home depot brand. I may have an empty can down in the basement. Wed Dec 17 20:32:33 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:What products do you use to restore decks Jim? Wed Dec 17 20:33:08 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:(I am going to ask you a few questions, then walk you through the job) Wed Dec 17 20:34:11 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, the decks I have encountered so far have all been real easy. I have been using bleach. However, I am going to be starting on one that I know bleach will not brighten. Wed Dec 17 20:34:47 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:I was planning on using HD-80 for that problem deck. Wed Dec 17 20:34:50 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:what size is your machine? Wed Dec 17 20:36:25 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:4.5 gpm and enough power to destroy anything in wood. I normally run at about 950psi when doing wood work and 750 when doing stucco work. Wed Dec 17 20:36:46 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Is your hom one story or two? Wed Dec 17 20:37:23 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:1 in the front and 2.25 stories in the back and sides. It is a strange lot. Wed Dec 17 20:37:49 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:are you going to use a lift or ladders? Wed Dec 17 20:38:44 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:I wasn't planning on it. I have a 24' boom extension plus an 8 ft light weight extension. Wed Dec 17 20:39:06 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I object! Wed Dec 17 20:39:33 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Should I invest in some scaffoling? Wed Dec 17 20:39:41 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg::eek: Wed Dec 17 20:39:43 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I am not a big fan of useing extension wands on cedar homes. Wed Dec 17 20:39:45 2003:Bethrod [0/] Login: Wed Dec 17 20:39:45 2003:Bethrod [0/] IP:67.24.144.159 Wed Dec 17 20:39:54 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:It is very hard to keep an even distance Wed Dec 17 20:39:59 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Hi Beth Wed Dec 17 20:40:01 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Welcome back Beth Wed Dec 17 20:40:12 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi All Wed Dec 17 20:40:18 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:;) Wed Dec 17 20:40:39 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If you get into doing a lot of homes you can. Ladder jacks and a pick board work well too Wed Dec 17 20:40:53 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:I have the distance problem solved with a set wheels I can attach to the 24' boom. Wed Dec 17 20:41:29 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:For the sake of this discussion I am going to assume that you are working from a single ladder. Wed Dec 17 20:41:49 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:No, from the ground. Wed Dec 17 20:42:07 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Jim, that still scares me. I would rather see you stay up close to the work untill you get the hang of it Wed Dec 17 20:42:50 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Jim, you are going to use the boom anyway arent you? Wed Dec 17 20:42:51 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Ok Wed Dec 17 20:43:01 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Never mind! Wed Dec 17 20:43:16 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:We will assume you are working from a single ladder Wed Dec 17 20:43:41 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Ok let's go with that Wed Dec 17 20:43:53 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:that is it for questions. I am going to start rattling now. Wed Dec 17 20:44:05 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Feel free to inturupt if you need to Wed Dec 17 20:44:13 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:I will Wed Dec 17 20:45:10 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Hi beth welcome back Wed Dec 17 20:45:23 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Thanks Jim ;) Wed Dec 17 20:46:08 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:First mmake sure that you have a quick connect directly attached to your gun so you can put a tip in it with NO wand. Pressure should be reduced to about 1000 psi. For those who do not know, use an over sized tip to reduce pressure and maintain flow. Wed Dec 17 20:46:52 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Got just the gun. I use it on California fences. Wed Dec 17 20:47:07 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Do a test patch to determine what is needed to remove the old finish. It is always better if you can use a percarb type cleaner as it is much safer to use. Wed Dec 17 20:47:32 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:OK Wed Dec 17 20:47:57 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Mask according to the product you will use to remove the finish Wed Dec 17 20:48:37 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:keep in mind, if you have to mask landscaping to allow for plenty of air flow or you can steam cook your plants Wed Dec 17 20:50:04 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:After masking, apply your cleaner from bottom to top, a few boards at a time. Wed Dec 17 20:50:04 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:We normally mask all vegitation when we clean buildings to get rid of the green stuff. Buy the way, I have a great source for cheep painters plastic in 500' by 10' rools. Wed Dec 17 20:50:58 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:work in a section that has a natural break, usually one wall at a time if you are by your self Wed Dec 17 20:51:41 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:once you have applied cleaner to the entire wall section, allow it to dwell for a good 15 min. Wed Dec 17 20:52:14 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:When you clean, clean in the same manner, from bottom to top Wed Dec 17 20:53:05 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If the cleaner has had time to work, this should go quickly about half the speed of sweeping with a broom Wed Dec 17 20:53:36 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:fan out your ending strokes and fan into your beginning stroke Wed Dec 17 20:54:09 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:if you stop in one place it will leave a "burn mark" that might need sanding Wed Dec 17 20:54:31 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Beth, I hope you make all available like you did a couple of weeks ago. Wed Dec 17 20:54:54 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ is on a roll. *whip* Wed Dec 17 20:55:08 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:after you have successfully cleaned the wall section, rinse again from the top to the bottom Wed Dec 17 20:55:57 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:pay attention to knot holes as they are good at holding cleaner. You will notice a "plume" of white as you pass over them. Wed Dec 17 20:56:09 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:After you have rinsed well, rinse again Wed Dec 17 20:56:28 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:yes he is. Wed Dec 17 20:56:35 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:watch the water as it drips from the boards. It should be clear. Wed Dec 17 20:57:00 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I tell people not to stop rinsing untill they would drink the water comming off Wed Dec 17 20:57:26 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Once you have thouroughly rinsed, rinse one more time (I am not even kidding) Wed Dec 17 20:58:22 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Now we let it dry for a couple of days? Wed Dec 17 20:58:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Then apply a brightener to the wet surface. Apply plenty of brightener an allow it to dwell for 5 to 10 min (usually). Wed Dec 17 20:59:06 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:The brightener will make the wood look like new and help even out any unevenness Wed Dec 17 20:59:37 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Now more with the rinsing Wed Dec 17 20:59:40 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Rinse Wed Dec 17 20:59:43 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Rinse Wed Dec 17 20:59:46 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Rinse Wed Dec 17 21:00:03 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, when the brightner is applied, are we still work in 2 or 3 boards at a time or an entire wall section? Wed Dec 17 21:00:07 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:continue in the same manner around the rest of the house Wed Dec 17 21:00:36 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:apply it a few boards at a time, back and forth, from bottom to top Wed Dec 17 21:01:03 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:always complete your current step on the entire wall section Wed Dec 17 21:01:27 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ you cant just leave the brightner on and let it dry? Wed Dec 17 21:01:43 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Not if we are going by my opinion Wed Dec 17 21:01:55 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:ok Wed Dec 17 21:02:10 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:There are those out there that do, but I have a real problem with it Wed Dec 17 21:02:36 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:why is that? Wed Dec 17 21:02:41 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Given a 50' by 9' wall section about how may hours would you estimate? Wed Dec 17 21:02:43 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I don't like the salts that are left behind, they do bad things to sealers sometimes Wed Dec 17 21:02:55 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:good point Wed Dec 17 21:02:57 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:for just that wall? Wed Dec 17 21:03:03 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:yes Wed Dec 17 21:03:18 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:about one and a half Wed Dec 17 21:03:45 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:less than that if everything is premixed and you are rolling Wed Dec 17 21:04:11 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:by rolling, I mean if it is not the first wall of the house Wed Dec 17 21:04:21 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:dinner break back later.... Wed Dec 17 21:04:27 2003:Bethrod [0/] Logout:_ Wed Dec 17 21:04:58 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:ok, now, after you have rinsed, you let it wait for a couple days Wed Dec 17 21:05:09 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:It just seems like there will be a lot of down time waiting for 15 minutes after each 3 or 4 boards. Wed Dec 17 21:05:13 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Jim, how will you be applying your finish? Wed Dec 17 21:05:20 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Ok Wed Dec 17 21:06:02 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:What I meant was, spray about three boards up from the bottom, all the way across (make the 50 foot run) Wed Dec 17 21:06:06 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:That I was planning on using a ladder with a stand off. Spray on and back brush in. Wed Dec 17 21:06:23 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:then spray the next 3 boards on your way back Wed Dec 17 21:06:43 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:do that back and forth from bottom to top untill the whole wall has cleaner Wed Dec 17 21:07:14 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Got it. Wed Dec 17 21:07:34 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Apply your finish exactly the same way Wed Dec 17 21:07:55 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:about three boards and backbrush, back and forth Wed Dec 17 21:08:09 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Staining takes NO time Wed Dec 17 21:08:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:That is where you make all the money on cedar homes Wed Dec 17 21:09:01 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Nice big flat open footages of wood Wed Dec 17 21:09:53 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:In a nut shell, I guess that is it Wed Dec 17 21:10:16 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, you don't know how much I appreciate your giving me all of this input. I am going to cut and paste all of this information in to my daily cook book of "how to's". Wed Dec 17 21:10:21 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Tape your gutters if you don't want them stained Wed Dec 17 21:10:47 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Good point on the gutters. Wed Dec 17 21:10:52 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:No problem, that is what Wed Night Wood Chat is all about Wed Dec 17 21:11:25 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I am just going to start fireing off tips and cautions now, feel free to join Wed Dec 17 21:11:41 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:????on wood tux Wed Dec 17 21:11:45 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Maybe, but you went the extra mile. And it will mean alot to me and my business. Wed Dec 17 21:11:58 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:You can use running water to mask concrete from overspray Wed Dec 17 21:12:21 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:What questions do you have about tux? Wed Dec 17 21:12:52 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:What is the expected time of how long it will last between recoats? Wed Dec 17 21:13:34 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I would sell a recoat every year if you can, but on your own deck about 3 Wed Dec 17 21:13:39 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:2 or 3 Wed Dec 17 21:13:49 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:on a home 4 or 5 Wed Dec 17 21:14:06 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:How many coats before strripping it off? Wed Dec 17 21:14:14 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:3 Wed Dec 17 21:14:35 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:It is made to be used with efc-38 Wed Dec 17 21:15:04 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:if you give it a light cleaning each time, you may never have to strip it completely Wed Dec 17 21:15:07 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Login: Wed Dec 17 21:15:07 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] IP:67.81.38.159 Wed Dec 17 21:15:07 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Great you answered my next ? Wed Dec 17 21:15:22 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Welcome Pete Wed Dec 17 21:15:34 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Hello All Wed Dec 17 21:16:22 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If you are working on a home with a cedar shake roof, be aware of your chemical overspray Wed Dec 17 21:16:25 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:How would i know if it needs to be striped completely? Wed Dec 17 21:17:01 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:if it is getting too dark from a build up of pigment Wed Dec 17 21:17:26 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:will the efc 38 strip it all off? Wed Dec 17 21:17:38 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:yes at full stregnth Wed Dec 17 21:17:44 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:great Wed Dec 17 21:17:59 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Are we talking about a deck? Wed Dec 17 21:18:14 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Cedar homes mostly, but the same applies to decks Wed Dec 17 21:18:16 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:thats all for me Russ thank you Wed Dec 17 21:18:53 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I am in NJ and I find that I am stripping more than 75% of the decks we do Wed Dec 17 21:19:07 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Where in NJ? Wed Dec 17 21:19:10 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If this were Wed. Night Talk About ESI Products I would tell you about the whole system and how and why it works, but I shouldn't do that on Beth's dime Wed Dec 17 21:19:15 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:New Milford Wed Dec 17 21:19:30 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:North? Wed Dec 17 21:19:34 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Yes Wed Dec 17 21:19:40 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Is it a lot of Bher that you are removing Pete? Wed Dec 17 21:19:51 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I am 12 miles from George Washington Bridge Wed Dec 17 21:20:08 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I am in Tabernacle outside of cherry hill a little bit Wed Dec 17 21:20:24 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:No I actually charge more if I know in advance that its Bher Wed Dec 17 21:20:43 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Great Wed Dec 17 21:21:10 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I have a fellow powerwasher and friend down that way Wed Dec 17 21:21:14 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:How do you take the Behr off? Wed Dec 17 21:21:23 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Who? Wed Dec 17 21:21:48 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I have had good results with Stripex-L and hot water Wed Dec 17 21:22:21 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I normally strip with Wolmans deck strip Wed Dec 17 21:22:26 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ I thought beth sold most of your products? Wed Dec 17 21:22:28 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Mark Williamson Wed Dec 17 21:22:37 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:She does Wed Dec 17 21:22:43 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:He is 2 towns over fromme Wed Dec 17 21:23:04 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Actually she sells everything we make I believe. Wed Dec 17 21:23:24 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:So it should be fine to talk about it right? Wed Dec 17 21:23:30 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If she were here she would tell you to use HD-80 insted of Stripx-L Wed Dec 17 21:23:39 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:it is about 1/6 the cost Wed Dec 17 21:24:02 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Actually I am not a fan of the Stripx-L price Wed Dec 17 21:24:17 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I'm sure it is, I just don't like to self promote our products Wed Dec 17 21:24:21 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:but I have tried other strippers and it does work Wed Dec 17 21:24:38 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:HD-80 cost you less than 2 cents per sq/ft Wed Dec 17 21:24:40 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:WOW!!!!! Wed Dec 17 21:25:19 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I think it works out to like $1.48 per gallon full stregnth Wed Dec 17 21:25:33 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:That is amazing Wed Dec 17 21:25:42 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:But is it really comprable Wed Dec 17 21:25:46 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:and it works too Wed Dec 17 21:25:52 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I am a big fat liar! Wed Dec 17 21:26:01 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:LOL Wed Dec 17 21:26:10 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:it is $2.48 per gallon. That is why I don't like to self promote Wed Dec 17 21:26:53 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:You said it not us!! lol Wed Dec 17 21:27:30 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:It still works out to less than 2 cents per foot Wed Dec 17 21:27:42 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Because I do not buy large quantities I pay over $18 .00 per gallon Wed Dec 17 21:27:55 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:for stripx-l? Wed Dec 17 21:27:59 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:hollycow Wed Dec 17 21:28:15 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:What are you using to seal your decks and houses Wed Dec 17 21:28:24 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:yes sir Wed Dec 17 21:28:42 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Call beth. 30 lb tub of HD-80 is like $149.00 and it makes 60 gallons Wed Dec 17 21:29:06 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I sure will Wed Dec 17 21:29:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:that is if you have to use it full stregnth, most jobs can be done at half stregnth Wed Dec 17 21:29:55 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Though I have become more selective of my jobs as my business has grown, I still have a need for the strong stuff Wed Dec 17 21:30:03 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:you can use the same neutralizer as you use for the Stripx-l Wed Dec 17 21:30:25 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Well, tell her to send you some efc-38 too. Wed Dec 17 21:30:32 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I what is that Wed Dec 17 21:30:41 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:you will love that stuff for the semi-transparent jobs Wed Dec 17 21:31:03 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:It is an environmentally friendly stripper Wed Dec 17 21:31:12 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:oh.. Wed Dec 17 21:31:18 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ will the efc-38 work on cabot or cuprinols semi? Wed Dec 17 21:31:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:it will take off most semi-transparent finishes and doesn't harm grass or most plants Wed Dec 17 21:31:35 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:yes Wed Dec 17 21:31:41 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:you know i have had exceellent results by using the wolman products Wed Dec 17 21:31:47 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:test first on cabot Wed Dec 17 21:31:53 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:cool did not know that Wed Dec 17 21:32:05 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:but i am always looking for better and more economical products Wed Dec 17 21:32:20 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I think you will be very happy Wed Dec 17 21:32:34 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I used to be a wolman certified contractor Wed Dec 17 21:32:55 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Yes ...I still am Wed Dec 17 21:33:08 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:but i dont participate in the program Wed Dec 17 21:33:21 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:who really does now Wed Dec 17 21:33:27 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I just like the products because I get consistent results Wed Dec 17 21:33:38 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:bingo Wed Dec 17 21:33:48 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:That is what it's all about right there Wed Dec 17 21:33:55 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:predictability Wed Dec 17 21:34:04 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:DEfinitely Wed Dec 17 21:34:38 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ Should I use efc-38 at full strength ffor stripping semis off? Wed Dec 17 21:34:41 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I have experimented by mixing and matching and I always seem to end up in the same place Wed Dec 17 21:35:20 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:test at half Wed Dec 17 21:35:57 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I have a house question Wed Dec 17 21:37:12 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:On a cedar shake house...you strip, you neutralize , Do any of you ever do any sanding before resealing Wed Dec 17 21:37:38 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:is it rough sawn shack? Wed Dec 17 21:37:44 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I never have Wed Dec 17 21:38:11 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:yes Wed Dec 17 21:38:33 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:there is no use too sand then Wed Dec 17 21:39:19 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I was called in last year to finish a job that a young man with a home depot machine had started Wed Dec 17 21:39:40 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:oh boy Wed Dec 17 21:40:11 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:WE all know what the fuzzies are ....but he gave this house the fuzzooos Wed Dec 17 21:40:23 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:you could have braided the stuff Wed Dec 17 21:40:32 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:lol Wed Dec 17 21:40:41 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:sounds like a candidate for cob blasting Wed Dec 17 21:41:26 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I looked at it and explained to the home owner that too much pressure was used. She wanted me to sand it ans start over Wed Dec 17 21:41:31 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I passed Wed Dec 17 21:41:48 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:proally a good thing you did Wed Dec 17 21:42:10 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I would have ran away Wed Dec 17 21:42:10 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Thats why i was wondering if any of you sanded and if so ho would you charge for that Wed Dec 17 21:42:23 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:by the hour Wed Dec 17 21:42:35 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:thats for sure Wed Dec 17 21:42:48 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:at least 100.00 Wed Dec 17 21:42:51 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:well like I said I try to be real selective of the work I take on Wed Dec 17 21:43:05 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:if I am in the mood to sand, it's only a billion per hour. If I'm not in the mood watch out Wed Dec 17 21:43:22 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:We try to never sand. That is what the chems are for. Wed Dec 17 21:43:25 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:hate to **** you off Wed Dec 17 21:43:31 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I agree Wed Dec 17 21:43:38 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I just don't like to sand Wed Dec 17 21:43:59 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:it's personal, if I am sanding it is because I made a mistake usually Wed Dec 17 21:44:28 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:what aout your fuzzies? Wed Dec 17 21:45:19 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:What fuzzies? Wed Dec 17 21:45:34 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:lol Wed Dec 17 21:45:50 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Lightly use a 3M medium or fine scrub pad but never sand paper Wed Dec 17 21:46:27 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:the ones that fall off!! Wed Dec 17 21:46:47 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If it is the very first time a deck has ever been cleaned, you can expect some light fuzzing "Mrs. Jones" This is normal and nothing to be concerned about. In most cases the fuzzing will go away in time. Wed Dec 17 21:47:06 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:how are you guys sealing you surfaces?? Do you spray, brush or roll?? Wed Dec 17 21:47:23 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Spray / Back Brush Wed Dec 17 21:47:24 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:spray and pads Wed Dec 17 21:47:40 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I like pads! Wed Dec 17 21:47:46 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I spray and Back BRush also Wed Dec 17 21:48:14 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Good nite all. Have a great holiday season. Wed Dec 17 21:48:24 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Good night Jim. Wed Dec 17 21:48:29 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I only spray on bigger decks anything over 10x12 or so Wed Dec 17 21:48:33 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I have been using a deckhand since 1998 and I just got a Graco 190es sprayer Wed Dec 17 21:48:38 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:see ya jim Wed Dec 17 21:48:38 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Logout:_ Wed Dec 17 21:49:16 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Using the graco will go alot faster than using the deckhand Wed Dec 17 21:49:27 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Is it airless? Wed Dec 17 21:49:29 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:yes Wed Dec 17 21:49:38 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:High pressure? Wed Dec 17 21:49:47 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:yes Wed Dec 17 21:50:03 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:II havent even assembled it yet Wed Dec 17 21:50:05 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I object again Wed Dec 17 21:50:10 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:send it back Wed Dec 17 21:50:17 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:really? Wed Dec 17 21:50:20 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:whhy Wed Dec 17 21:50:22 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:get another deck hand Wed Dec 17 21:50:32 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:a couple reasons. Wed Dec 17 21:50:34 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I do love the deck hand Wed Dec 17 21:51:11 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:first, the friction created by the high pressure stain passing through the orfice creats heat Wed Dec 17 21:51:23 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Who still carries the deck hand? Wed Dec 17 21:51:25 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:the heat causes your finish to cure out funny Wed Dec 17 21:51:42 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I think Beth will have them in the spring Wed Dec 17 21:51:53 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:good Wed Dec 17 21:52:21 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:also the fine mist will carry on the wind all the way over to that unreasonable ladys house Wed Dec 17 21:52:53 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:it is not a good idea to run chemicals through an airless Wed Dec 17 21:53:08 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I actually built a second deckhand...but the real thing is more proffesional looking and mine has paid for itself a hundred times over Wed Dec 17 21:53:13 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:they are hard to work on Wed Dec 17 21:53:29 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Deck hands rock Wed Dec 17 21:53:40 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:for this application Wed Dec 17 21:53:54 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Russel where are you located Wed Dec 17 21:53:55 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Besides maybe Beth who else carries it? Wed Dec 17 21:54:05 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Sunny St Louis MO Wed Dec 17 21:54:13 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Sun Bright Wed Dec 17 21:54:46 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Goto the deck hand site for a complete list of dealers Wed Dec 17 21:54:59 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:oh the deckster. What do you think of the hurricane brush? Wed Dec 17 21:55:15 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I would like to have a NJ rountable soon Wed Dec 17 21:55:33 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I think they only go down once a year Wed Dec 17 21:56:03 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I am sure Everett wil have one near Feb. Wed Dec 17 21:56:17 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Really? Wed Dec 17 21:56:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Are you guys going to pwna? Wed Dec 17 21:56:43 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Cant do it this year Wed Dec 17 21:56:45 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I think that our business is very unique and that peopl like yourselves make it better Wed Dec 17 21:56:50 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I am not Wed Dec 17 21:57:14 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:It's a fun business once you get all the kinks worked out Wed Dec 17 21:57:21 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:so I hear Wed Dec 17 21:57:26 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:lol Wed Dec 17 21:57:29 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I need it closer to home to afford the trip Wed Dec 17 21:58:09 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Well gents.. it has been a pleasure but I must go Wed Dec 17 21:58:10 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Pete he had one back in October Wed Dec 17 21:58:26 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:See later Wed Dec 17 21:58:32 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I was at that one, Beth hosted it in MD Wed Dec 17 21:58:32 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:PLease feel free to email me at Plescaille@apws1.com Wed Dec 17 21:58:42 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:So was I Wed Dec 17 21:58:48 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:dam Wed Dec 17 21:58:48 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Good night Pete Wed Dec 17 21:58:52 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:NIght Wed Dec 17 21:58:57 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:thanks AGain Wed Dec 17 21:59:01 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Logout:_ Wed Dec 17 21:59:19 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Well Wed Dec 17 21:59:38 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Im thinking Wed Dec 17 22:00:26 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Looks like I will be using the wood tux on a problem deck I had this year Wed Dec 17 22:00:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Thinking about going up on your prices next season? Wed Dec 17 22:00:51 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Thats great, good luck with it. Wed Dec 17 22:01:07 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I had a deck that was 2300 sqft no including railings Wed Dec 17 22:01:30 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:And that is a lot of railings not to include! Wed Dec 17 22:01:37 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:the lady insisted on cabots clear solution weather grey Wed Dec 17 22:01:49 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:it turned out like ...... Wed Dec 17 22:01:50 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Should have fired her! Wed Dec 17 22:02:10 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I am big on "Selling" the stain Wed Dec 17 22:02:21 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:The railings were only about 35 ft long Wed Dec 17 22:02:35 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:the rest of the deck is ground level Wed Dec 17 22:03:00 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If the customer does not likle what I use they're fired Wed Dec 17 22:03:14 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I have used cabots before with no problems Wed Dec 17 22:03:21 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:never used the weather grey Wed Dec 17 22:03:36 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I did tell her to go with a semi Wed Dec 17 22:03:43 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:her deck is 10 yrs old Wed Dec 17 22:03:59 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:it was totally blotchy looking Wed Dec 17 22:04:17 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Another pwr here took a look at for me Wed Dec 17 22:04:43 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Said he had the same problem with another deck with the same product Wed Dec 17 22:05:09 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:needlees to say in the spring its coming off and getting redone Wed Dec 17 22:05:15 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Lack of predictability is the root of almost all problems Wed Dec 17 22:05:49 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I saw the one deck Reed did with wood tux . it was the gold color one Wed Dec 17 22:05:59 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:that looked great Wed Dec 17 22:06:18 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:You can not possibly predict what every single product will do you, can only get good at predicting what you use everyday Wed Dec 17 22:06:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I like the gold color Wed Dec 17 22:06:38 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:The customer wants the deck to look natural Wed Dec 17 22:06:39 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:My favorite is the Western Cedar Wed Dec 17 22:06:52 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I like it a little darker though. Wed Dec 17 22:07:05 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I do too Wed Dec 17 22:07:53 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ thanks for the info again. Im sure we will chat again Wed Dec 17 22:07:59 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:So, about going up on your price? Wed Dec 17 22:08:04 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Im going to bed Wed Dec 17 22:08:12 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:not sure yet Wed Dec 17 22:08:14 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Dream about a price increase Wed Dec 17 22:08:40 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Have a great night Wed Dec 17 22:08:45 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Thanks for joining Wed Dec 17 22:08:46 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:you too chow Wed Dec 17 22:08:53 2003:Firedkm [0/] Logout:_ Wed Dec 17 22:08:56 2003:Russell_C [0/] Logout:_

Rod feels so-so about his hurricane brush. It broke down the first time it was used, and while we did get a replacement part, he felt is could possibly be constructed with more durable parts. :dunno: :thinking: Beth

Today's ranking is 209,913! We keep moving up there. We're right behind the PWNABBS.ORG site. :groovy3: :groovy2: :groovy: And remember, if you're reading this, refer this site to a friend and suggest they join too! Beth & Rod

Michael, You will be missed, and are always welcome here. Thank you for all you have done for those who needed help. Beth & Rod Administrators

It depends on the type of wood too... on hard woods it's different than it is on soft woods. Personally, we have used a surface cleaner on certain decks, but there are very many we would not use one on. It depends on the deck, the condition and age of the wood, and the kind of wood it is. That's been our experience. Otherwise you do run the risk of damage if you don't know what will work and what won't. Beth :groovy:

I used to enjoy pinball. The 7/11's here had one or two each and I would go in and play a game, get a comic book, and a slurpee with babysitting money. I also remember slinkey, playdough, frisbee, hulahoops, that green slime stuff all mom's hated, those metal circles you used to go down a snow covered hill in, little golden books, and the little troll dolls with long hair. Beth

As reporten on MSN today: http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/P66897.asp Mutual Funds The mutual fund scandal and you There seems no end to the mutual fund industry’s dirty deeds. Here’s what all the fuss is about, how it might affect your portfolio and what you should do now. By Timothy Middleton For decades, we’ve been told the safest way to invest is to put our money in mutual funds. They have become so popular that about half of all American families now own them, often in IRAs or company pensions called 401(k) plans. Recently, scandals have spread through funds like wildfire, raising questions for individual investors. What have fund managers done wrong? And what are we supposed to do about it? Although they are the worst in the industry’s history, these scandals are easier to understand than you might think. And figuring out what you need to do with your own fund investments is pretty easy, too. Here's a primer on the scandal to date: The nitty gritty Q: Who is affected by this scandal? A: Potentially half of the American public. In the last 20 years, total fund assets have grown 1,787% to $7 trillion, from $371 billion in 1984. About one-third of fund assets are held in IRAs, 401(k)s and other tax-deferred accounts. The total number of funds available has swelled to more than 8,000 from 1,200.Money 2004. Smarter, faster and easier than ever. Among mutual fund companies, one of the world's largest ,Putnam Investments, has been implicated. And some big names in the financial world -- such as brokerage Merrill Lynch (MER, news, msgs) and Bank of America (BAC, news, msgs), which sponsors some of the problem funds -- have been tarnished by the scandal. Most of the tainted fund companies themselves are smaller. And so far, at least, the very largest fund companies, Fidelity Investments, Vanguard Group and American Funds, have not been accused of illegal or improper activities. Q: What did they do wrong? A: The scandals focus on two areas, both of them involving unscrupulous stock-trading practices that siphon money from mutual-fund shareholders at large -- in other words, you and me. The first area is called “late trading.” Legally, funds are required to stop accepting new purchases and sales at 4 p.m. ET to get that day’s price. Funds are priced once a day, at 4 p.m. Any orders placed after 4 p.m. are supposed to be assigned a share value based on the following day's closing price. But as it turns out, many funds appear to have allowed exceptions -- costly exceptions. The beneficiaries typically were so-called hedge funds, which are essentially independent investment funds run for groups of wealthy investors. In the worst cases, certain hedge funds and other favored investors were allowed to make late-day purchases. What difference does it make? Well, sometimes news breaks after 4 p.m. that will produce big swings in stock prices the following day. Late traders took advantage of events like that. Legitimate exceptions also have been made, such as to allow pension-plan administrators to forward the day’s transactions. But these practices apparently spiraled out of control. The Securities and Exchange Commission and some state officials have charged that some late trading was clearly illegal, allowing hedge funds and other large investors to break the deadline repeatedly. The second abuse is called “market timing.” Hedge funds and some other investors were allowed to dive into certain funds to capture stale prices -- taking special advantage of time lags among stock markets around the globe. For example, European stocks finish trading several hours before the official U.S. close of 4 p.m. If in the intervening hours American stock prices went up sharply, Europe could be expected to follow suit the next day. Timers would buy the fund today and sell tomorrow to capture this increase. Q: Those two things don’t sound like a big deal. Is this just a tempest in a teapot? A: No way. Any profits these short-term traders made came directly out of the pockets of long-term shareholders. Here’s an example. Assume a mutual fund with $500 million in assets sees its investments rise 2%, or $10 million, during the trading day. After hours, a hedge fund throws in $50 million. Even though that money was never invested, it claims a share of the profits. Now that $10 million profit is spread over $550 million in assets, not $500 million, and a 2% return has become 1.8%. Late-traders walk away with net profits of $900,000, or 9 cents of every dollar earned -- and every penny subtracted directly from the rightful profits of long-term shareholders. Q: If it hurts shareholders so directly, and the profits all go to the traders, why would the fund companies allow it? A: In some cases, employees of the fund companies were the traders, according to federal and state charges. The founders of two mutual fund companies, Strong and PBHG, have been ousted on such charges. In other cases, the fund companies participated in back-door agreements that would benefit both parties. The traders would get special buying and selling access in return for a commitment to invest some of their longer-term accounts with the fund companies. The fund companies -- which earn a small percentage in "management fees" for every dollar invested -- would thus gain more in fees. Finally, in some cases, fund companies were simply the dupes of stock brokers who engineered the trades for commission income. What’s the punishment? Q: Is anybody going to jail? A: Most of the charges so far have been civil, not criminal. (It takes a criminal conviction to land someone in jail.) Authorities have struck deals with some fund companies requiring them to reimburse shareholders who were harmed. Some fund officials and stock brokers have lost their jobs and could be barred from working in the industry again. Proving criminal charges could be harder and take much longer than the civil actions. Some of those implicated in the scandal have asserted they got legal opinions approving the trading in advance, which would be a strong defense in a criminal case. All said, some criminal charges have been filed, including actions against officials of Security Trust Co., a Phoenix bank that's been accused of late trading. Q: How many companies have been dragged into the scandals? A: Nearly 20. Fund companies include Alliance Capital, Federated Investors, Fred Alger Management, Invesco Funds, Janus Capital, Loomis Sayles, Nations Funds (part of Bank of America), One Group (part of Bank One (ONE, news, msgs)), PBHG, Putnam Investments and Strong Capital Management. Brokerage firms, some of whose employees allegedly orchestrated improper trading of funds shares, include Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Smith Barney (part of Citigroup (C, news, msgs)), US Trust Co. (part of Charles Schwab (SCH, news, msgs)), UBS (formerly Paine Webber) and Wachovia (formerly Prudential Securities). Security Trust has been ordered by federal authorities to close. Q: Which cops are going after these guys? A: The scandals originally surfaced when the New York attorney general's office cracked down on a hedge fund, Canary Partners, on Sept. 3. But the chief regulator of mutual funds is the SEC. Unfortunately, that agency has had to play catch-up with Eliot Spitzer, the aggressive New York attorney general. Nonetheless, the SEC has now filed a number of complaints itself. In addition, the SEC has proposed new rules that would permit no exceptions to the 4 p.m. deadline. Also, it's considering other rule changes, such as imposing nearly universal redemption fees on funds to discourage short-term trading. Don’t panic Q: Should I sell all my mutual funds? A: Absolutely not. Funds from companies that are not implicated in the scandals are probably OK, and only some individual funds at accused firms were involved. Most of the abuses involved funds focused on foreign and domestic-growth stocks. Index, value and income funds were not employed widely by the traders. Still, you should consider dumping funds from companies where the abuses were the most blatant, and many shareholders already have. Putnam has lost $32 billion in investor assets in the last three months, nearly 12% of its assets. Q: Do I need to hurry to change my investments? A: No. If you have built up substantial capital gains in a tainted fund, or would face hefty redemption fees, getting out immediately might be the wrong move. Also, in many cases restitution will be made to the funds, meaning you’ll have to be a current shareholder to benefit. The fallout Q: Is this scandal going to take the whole stock market down, sort of like Enron helped do? A: It hasn’t so far. Many of the redemptions have come from institutions, such as insurance companies, which have taken their assets “in kind,” or in the form of securities rather than cash. There has been no widespread selling to meet redemptions from individuals. Q: How can I be sure there isn’t another scandal out there waiting to be discovered? A: You can’t. But don’t cut off your nose to spite your face. Most of us are no good at picking stocks to buy, let alone knowing when to sell them. Funds are the best way for most individual investors to benefit from diversification and expert management. At the time of publication, Timothy Middleton didn’t own any securities mentioned in this article.

p.s. there are supplemental insurance options to medicare and medicade that make it very possible for a senior to not end up with heavy medical expenses. Look into it. You'll be pleasantly surprised. There are also insurance options so you can pay in and get in home care when you need it, around the clock and your out of pocket is greatly reduced. If you need info on these, email me.

Ron, Are you familiar with self balancing investments? Normally either stocks are up or bonds are up, and it tends to by cyclical. A self balancing option allows you to direct your earning on your investment to go to the low end. Lets say stocks are up, and bonds are down. You will have your earnings go back into bonds. This way you have more money in bonds when they go up, thus you have a higher ROI on your bonds. Pretty slick. There are also some options that guarantee you will not go lower than a certain point. It's not as scary as it seems. I've been in 401K's for years. Sure there are times the market is down and performs less than optimally but it's a long term investment. Besides, a diversified investment is alot safer, and yields well. For example you can divide the monies invested up 60%-40%, or what ever you want. Typically there are at least 4 options to choose from and you can change them periodically. Beth

Gav, Have I sent you a sample kit yet of Extreme Solutions products? If not, email me your address and I'll snail mail you one. Beth ;)

Jeff & Mark, I can get those for you (I believe in the size you want too). I'm getting ready to place another order (these move FAST) and I'll inquire. These nitrile gloves are great. They are disposable, and meant for one or two uses per pair, but chems don't melt them off your hands, which is nice. In other words they are protective, not work gloves if you understand what I'm trying to say. Great when you're sealing decks! Again, you can put them on over other gloves (we do) to keep dry. They come 50 pair to a box. The new shopping cart is not online yet so call our toll free number if you need to order. 1-877-H2O-WASH 1-877-426-9274 I'll be out of the office alot this week, so try my cell at 240-876-0692 if you need me. :) Beth

Hi Aaron! Welcome to the board. I'm looking forward to reading your posts. :) Glad you stopped by and registered! Beth

Personally, I like 401K's. And I don't think all the money will be sucked out in 5 years either. Where 401K's are concerned, you have to look at the funds (options) being offered. There are stocks, bonds, mutual funds, and normally when people invest they invest different amounts of their whole contribution depending on what they are trying to achieve financially. The companies that offer the options get the participation from a variety of other companies, such as high tech for example. The groups are very diversified and not all your money is invested in one company's stock. They are just the plan provider per se. The older people get the more conservative they tend to be in the way they invest due to the expected number of years that remain before they retire. It's important to note that there are penalties for early withdrawl from these plans. Once you retire you'll have minimum distribution amounts to take annually. Beth:umbrella:

If you don't have time to wait for EFC-38, I suggest trying the OxyClean, and neutralize with whatever oxyllic you can get locally to you. (ABR makes one too) Beth :groovy3:

It won't John. I'm sure it will always be around. Look at the older style Delco BBS. It's still extremely popular. So long as these BBS's have owners who care, they will be fine. Just my .02...

Mon Dec 8 20:00:03 2003:bethrod [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:05:51 2003:dontwashmanyhouses [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:06:23 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi! Mon Dec 8 20:06:39 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:What do you wash if you don't wash many houses. Mon Dec 8 20:07:04 2003:dontwashmanyhouses [0/] Msg:hi beth, Mon Dec 8 20:07:11 2003:dontwashmanyhouses [0/] Msg:dan kessler here Mon Dec 8 20:07:18 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Ah! Mon Dec 8 20:07:27 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Dan. Good to see you here. Mon Dec 8 20:07:31 2003:dontwashmanyhouses [0/] Msg:just lingering while waiting for Monday night football Mon Dec 8 20:07:37 2003:dontwashmanyhouses [0/] Msg:where is everyone? Mon Dec 8 20:07:37 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:How much snow did you folks get Mon Dec 8 20:07:45 2003:dontwashmanyhouses [0/] Msg:about 8" Mon Dec 8 20:08:13 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:sometimes it takes a few minutes for people to join...fashionably late... Mon Dec 8 20:08:21 2003:dontwashmanyhouses [0/] Msg:I see Mon Dec 8 20:08:22 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:we had about a foot. Mon Dec 8 20:08:32 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:08:38 2003:dontwashmanyhouses [0/] Msg:It melts much quicker down there Mon Dec 8 20:08:42 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Welcome to the chat. Mon Dec 8 20:09:04 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Rod was cutting ice out of gutters today. Mon Dec 8 20:09:09 2003:dontwashmanyhouses [0/] Msg:how do I turn off the sound? Mon Dec 8 20:09:26 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:hmmm...your speaker? Mon Dec 8 20:09:48 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:try the help button is the only other thing I can say Mon Dec 8 20:09:51 2003:dontwashmanyhouses [0/] Msg:oh, I thought it was controllable via the chat module Mon Dec 8 20:10:17 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:I'm not sure. I suppose I should learn more about the controls huh. lol Mon Dec 8 20:10:33 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:10:44 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:CMobile, where are you from? Mon Dec 8 20:10:57 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Pete welcome. Where arre you from. Mon Dec 8 20:11:01 2003:dontwashmanyhouses [0/] Msg:mute works just fine on the speaker Mon Dec 8 20:11:03 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:Massachusetts Mon Dec 8 20:11:06 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:NEW milford NEW jersey Mon Dec 8 20:11:26 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:You guys must really be snowbound Mon Dec 8 20:11:40 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:yes i am Mon Dec 8 20:11:47 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:2ft. Mon Dec 8 20:11:56 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:WOW. Mon Dec 8 20:12:04 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:12:09 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Alan Mon Dec 8 20:12:28 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Msg:Hi Beth Mon Dec 8 20:14:05 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:so how many of you wash houses when you aren't snowbound? Mon Dec 8 20:14:30 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I do Mon Dec 8 20:14:47 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:We have been washing houses 18 years Mon Dec 8 20:15:57 2003:Firedkm [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:16:02 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:seems like alot fo folks have discussions between do you make a home brew of your own cleaners, or buy a solution for house washing. Mon Dec 8 20:16:13 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Dale Mon Dec 8 20:16:23 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Hi Beth Mon Dec 8 20:17:05 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:cmobile, what have you found works the best? Mon Dec 8 20:17:40 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:It really depends on many factors Mon Dec 8 20:18:19 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Like what? You have more years at house washing than probably the rest of us do. Mon Dec 8 20:19:29 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:The type of siding, what are you trying to remove-mold, dirt, etc Mon Dec 8 20:19:43 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:I know we don't like aluminum siding, especially if it's that blue color. Mon Dec 8 20:20:40 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:Aluminum can be tricky Mon Dec 8 20:20:53 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 20:21:33 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I think any aluminum siding that is oxidized pretty bad is a pain in ...... Mon Dec 8 20:23:07 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 20:23:43 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Beth I thought Ron p was running this tonight? Mon Dec 8 20:23:44 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:24:16 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:yep. we don't like to handle aluminum if it's really badly oxidized. Mon Dec 8 20:26:46 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:we find the x-jet is great for applying chems Mon Dec 8 20:27:16 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:27:16 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Rod changed techniques this past year. Went to hot water, low pressure. Mon Dec 8 20:27:23 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Jim Mon Dec 8 20:27:28 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Unfortunately Here in NJ we have alot of aluminum to clean. As long as your careful your fine. Mon Dec 8 20:27:59 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Around here the aluminum that is left is really old. Mon Dec 8 20:28:20 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Beth is he doing the hot water on vinyl too? Mon Dec 8 20:28:33 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:Do you use the x-jet on all house wash jobs Mon Dec 8 20:28:43 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I do Mon Dec 8 20:28:59 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:Why? Mon Dec 8 20:29:35 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Its alot faster than the conventional downstreaming Mon Dec 8 20:29:49 2003:EXTREME [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:30:02 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:How so? Mon Dec 8 20:30:03 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Mike Mon Dec 8 20:30:15 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:wuz up, lol Mon Dec 8 20:30:18 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:hello all Mon Dec 8 20:30:26 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Msg:Hey Mike Mon Dec 8 20:30:34 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Hi Mike Mon Dec 8 20:30:51 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:30:57 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:hello every one, answering any big questions yet? Mon Dec 8 20:31:16 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:The chems are right there with you not at you trailer. the chems are injected right from you wand instead of traveling all through your hose. Mon Dec 8 20:31:32 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:gotta say, not a fan of the x jet Mon Dec 8 20:31:44 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:You get more chems on the house faster and alot less waste. Mon Dec 8 20:32:02 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:I disagree, and here's why... Mon Dec 8 20:32:15 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Since I started using the x-jet I cut my wash time in half Mon Dec 8 20:32:22 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:you have to carry around buckets, could tip them over, much waste Mon Dec 8 20:32:26 2003:dontwashmanyhouses [0/] Msg:I agree, it's faster, higher chem concentration, able to reach 2 stories without a ladder Mon Dec 8 20:32:35 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:since I stopped using the xjet, I became even faster Mon Dec 8 20:32:56 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:How? Mon Dec 8 20:33:09 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:use a good downstreamer, a #40, 0 degree tip and your golden Mon Dec 8 20:33:50 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:when you want to rinse, use a #30, 0 degree tip and you won't pull chems Mon Dec 8 20:33:51 2003:Jon [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:33:59 2003:Jon [0/] Msg:evening all Mon Dec 8 20:34:02 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Msg:hi Jon Mon Dec 8 20:34:14 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:What do you use to keep the high pressure water from entering into your chemical storage? Mon Dec 8 20:34:26 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Mike I use a 30 gal tank mouted to a handtruck with about 40' foot of hose. Mon Dec 8 20:34:50 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:no spills the container is closed Mon Dec 8 20:34:56 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:I understand fire, but wouldn't it be easier to not use a cart at all? Mon Dec 8 20:35:11 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:sometimes I just use a ball valve to apply chems Mon Dec 8 20:35:25 2003:Jon [0/] Msg:Hiya Alan Mon Dec 8 20:35:28 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:for some maybe Mon Dec 8 20:35:38 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:if you like the xjet, stay with it, I am just pointing out another option. I have used both and have my favorite Mon Dec 8 20:35:40 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:But for me it great Mon Dec 8 20:36:05 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:then stick with it if it works for you Mon Dec 8 20:36:30 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:anyone else want to talk besides me and fire, lol Mon Dec 8 20:36:38 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I will. Mon Dec 8 20:36:54 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I am sure your method works well also Mon Dec 8 20:37:03 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:as I am sure yours do also Mon Dec 8 20:37:04 2003:Jon [0/] Msg:just want to listen and learn, I do flatwork but have given thought to stucco homes. Mon Dec 8 20:37:22 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:make sure you use that tickle charger, lol Mon Dec 8 20:37:33 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:just we all have our ways of doing things and sharing them is what we need to do Mon Dec 8 20:37:41 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:i agree Mon Dec 8 20:37:53 2003:Stan [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:38:00 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:hello stan Mon Dec 8 20:38:01 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:hello stan Mon Dec 8 20:38:03 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:to get other ideas to help us do thing better Mon Dec 8 20:38:09 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:Hello Mon Dec 8 20:38:13 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Do most of you use extension ladders od steo ladders? Mon Dec 8 20:38:23 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:as little as possible Mon Dec 8 20:38:27 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:oops "step" Mon Dec 8 20:38:30 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Never Mon Dec 8 20:38:50 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:to wash a house no, to get on a roof, yes Mon Dec 8 20:38:55 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I will use a step ladder just to get a little more height of the x-jet. Mon Dec 8 20:39:05 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:how do you hit the high spots Mon Dec 8 20:39:06 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:I only use a ladder when I need to get to a difficult place to reach on the odd section. (p.s. Rod here) Mon Dec 8 20:39:07 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:you could use a longer wand Mon Dec 8 20:39:25 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I hate using extension wands Mon Dec 8 20:39:37 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I will if I have too Mon Dec 8 20:39:44 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:have you tried an extend-a-wand? Mon Dec 8 20:39:51 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:not an extension, I agree, I hate them too, I mean maybe a 8 foot alum. wand Mon Dec 8 20:40:08 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:I use mostly an x-jet type of chem thrower. Mon Dec 8 20:40:15 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:I even have a 12 footer Mon Dec 8 20:40:19 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I use a 12 ft step ladder and I use an extendawand Mon Dec 8 20:40:33 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:that sounds scary Mon Dec 8 20:40:34 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I have the corell??? I think its a 24' long Mon Dec 8 20:40:35 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:I use 24 fter and x jet Mon Dec 8 20:40:39 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:yeah...there you go, an ext. wand of at least 72" Mon Dec 8 20:41:37 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I have seen guys around here lean an extension ladder against the house and wash with a shorter wand and eyes closed Mon Dec 8 20:41:47 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Any one encounter the type of situation where you have a stain under the eve on aluminum siding that just wont come off no matter what you do? Mon Dec 8 20:41:53 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:That is scary! Mon Dec 8 20:42:05 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:How do they see what ther doing??? Mon Dec 8 20:42:12 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:Pitting Mon Dec 8 20:42:13 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:it runs along the entire eve and comes down 2-3 feet. Mon Dec 8 20:42:34 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Whats it look like? Mon Dec 8 20:42:57 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:well i dont go up to top run...i open wand to about 12 ft and i cover a good amount of area Mon Dec 8 20:43:04 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:It's pitting Mon Dec 8 20:43:11 2003:Jon [0/] Msg:Hate to leave so soon but something just came up so need to get going. Bye all. Mon Dec 8 20:43:20 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Bye Jon Mon Dec 8 20:43:26 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:bye, jon Mon Dec 8 20:43:29 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Msg:later Mon Dec 8 20:43:32 2003:Jon [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 20:43:57 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:it looks like a dark residue that sits in the pattern of the siding that makes it look like wood. kinds like a rust stain Mon Dec 8 20:44:18 2003:EXTREME [0/] Msg:monday night football time, see ya later Mon Dec 8 20:44:22 2003:EXTREME [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 20:44:36 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:This is pitting Mon Dec 8 20:45:04 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Have you tried some oxcalioc Mon Dec 8 20:45:08 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:can it be removed? or is it damage? Mon Dec 8 20:45:21 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:my spelling stinks!!!! Mon Dec 8 20:45:40 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:It depends on how bad it is Mon Dec 8 20:45:53 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:If it's piiting it pretty much damaged Mon Dec 8 20:46:10 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:Once aluminum has started pitting it is going to stay that way. Mon Dec 8 20:46:17 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:At the very least you can lighten it Mon Dec 8 20:47:40 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:what causes the pitting? Mon Dec 8 20:48:15 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:I have 16 years with aluminum and steel - best to clean it seal it and repaint if neccesary or it will keep on eating the metal Mon Dec 8 20:48:24 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Got me Mon Dec 8 20:48:59 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:It is similar to rust on steel Mon Dec 8 20:49:22 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:Pitting in aluminum is the equivalent to rust in steel. but it keeps going untill the al is completly eaten Mon Dec 8 20:49:54 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:Correction--can keep going Mon Dec 8 20:50:22 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:It normarly occurs in areas protected from the elements-overhangs,porches Mon Dec 8 20:51:12 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:is it due to a defect or what? Mon Dec 8 20:51:21 2003:RonP [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:51:24 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:No Mon Dec 8 20:51:32 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Ron Mon Dec 8 20:51:52 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:hey i made it thank's for your help Mon Dec 8 20:52:24 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:it can be defective or the elements or a reaction to the elements Mon Dec 8 20:52:26 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Better late than never:P Mon Dec 8 20:52:30 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:hi Ron Mon Dec 8 20:52:34 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Beth rules Mon Dec 8 20:52:34 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:where are we on this subject? Mon Dec 8 20:52:48 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Msg:Hey Ron you made it Mon Dec 8 20:53:10 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Msg:score Mon Dec 8 20:53:12 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:had a tuff time registering Mon Dec 8 20:54:02 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Are we talking about cleaning or selling? Mon Dec 8 20:54:27 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Did anyone read the last page of cleaner time's Mon Dec 8 20:54:50 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:sometimes it can be a bubble in the paint or tape or anything covering aluminum Mon Dec 8 20:55:03 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:The one with the do it your self? Mon Dec 8 20:55:17 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:read that very good Mon Dec 8 20:55:25 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:yea, that's the best thing ive read in a long time Mon Dec 8 20:55:40 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Msg:share with us Mon Dec 8 20:55:45 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Its was pretty funny and very accurate Mon Dec 8 20:55:51 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:im going to include that with every est for house washing Mon Dec 8 20:56:01 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Good idea Mon Dec 8 20:56:23 2003:Stan [0/] JoinRoom:_ Mon Dec 8 20:56:23 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:please share Mon Dec 8 20:56:41 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:I did not read it Mon Dec 8 20:56:48 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:it was about how a homeowner think's he can save money by washing his home himself Mon Dec 8 20:57:12 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:it's supposed to be a true story Mon Dec 8 20:57:45 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:it's about rental cost's,chem cost's,breakdown's, doing a bad job Mon Dec 8 20:58:02 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Msg:seen something like that Mon Dec 8 20:58:14 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:and the neighbor hiers it don and enjoys his day Mon Dec 8 20:58:28 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:then his neibour tell's him a real pro is washing his house the next day while he play's golf Mon Dec 8 20:58:54 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 20:58:55 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:That was a cute article :) Mon Dec 8 20:59:02 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Free time can cost you Mon Dec 8 20:59:04 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi JT! Mon Dec 8 20:59:07 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Msg:Hi Jason Mon Dec 8 20:59:12 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Hi JT Mon Dec 8 20:59:34 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:thanks bethrod, HI ALL ! Mon Dec 8 20:59:36 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:you prob have more crew's then any on the bbs Mon Dec 8 20:59:48 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:You're welcome! :) Mon Dec 8 21:00:04 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:What type of house's do you wash mostly? Mon Dec 8 21:00:35 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:I cleaned my neighbors driveways in 3 hours and he spent 3 summers trying to do it with a wand and 900psi. :) Mon Dec 8 21:00:37 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:I know you like the shooter tip's Mon Dec 8 21:00:51 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:aluminum, vinyl, brick.... Mon Dec 8 21:00:57 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:Beth -the navy has some aluminum primer it uses to keep the pitting at a low but that only slowes it up and here on the ground it is not uses of course there is not as much salt floating around. Mon Dec 8 21:01:00 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:70% aluminum the other vinyl Mon Dec 8 21:01:01 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:I love shooter tips, low pressure Mon Dec 8 21:01:06 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:All types, mostly solid color stain, then natural Mon Dec 8 21:01:18 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:vinal and brick Mon Dec 8 21:01:36 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:what are shooter tips? Mon Dec 8 21:01:36 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:70% alum-do they still make alum sideing? Mon Dec 8 21:01:57 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Come on JT [shooter tip's} Mon Dec 8 21:02:13 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:The area I live in has alot of older homes Mon Dec 8 21:02:20 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:shooter tips use downstream injection, they apply chemicals at low pressure Mon Dec 8 21:02:43 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:AKA soap nozzle Mon Dec 8 21:02:50 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Duh Mon Dec 8 21:03:06 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:you can also use the tips for rinse, if you have a shut off at the bucket Mon Dec 8 21:03:08 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:well, you asked... Mon Dec 8 21:03:11 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:I like the x-jet because of the volume of chem. JT dos'nt need the high volume Mon Dec 8 21:03:15 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:long range Mon Dec 8 21:03:24 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:JT what is your mix Mon Dec 8 21:03:28 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Rod loves the soap nozzle and hot water to rinse. Mon Dec 8 21:03:31 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:how strong do you need your wash mix Mon Dec 8 21:03:50 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:down stream is 20% Mon Dec 8 21:04:00 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:35 to 40% Mon Dec 8 21:04:04 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:why hot water to rinse Mon Dec 8 21:04:13 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:20% of what? Mon Dec 8 21:04:26 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:I never could figure out cleaning residental using x-jet Mon Dec 8 21:04:28 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:no no no hot water rinse Hot water dull's Mon Dec 8 21:04:40 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:We dont run chemicals that hot Mon Dec 8 21:04:41 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:it's what he likes to use, plus he like spotless windows...or as close as he can get Mon Dec 8 21:04:49 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:cold water leave's a shine Mon Dec 8 21:05:07 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:How do you dull Brick??? Mon Dec 8 21:05:40 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:I change my ratio of my mix by the outside temp Mon Dec 8 21:06:03 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:are you guys still washing residental homes Mon Dec 8 21:06:09 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:we're only talking about 115 degrees Mon Dec 8 21:06:10 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:OK you cant dull brick Mon Dec 8 21:06:36 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:what do you mean still Mon Dec 8 21:06:54 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:you mean because of the season? Mon Dec 8 21:07:06 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 21:07:09 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:a lot of guys in our area have stopped due to cold weather Mon Dec 8 21:07:21 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:I have been pushing on Mon Dec 8 21:07:48 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:I had 2 lined-up but we got a snow storm Mon Dec 8 21:08:05 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:i'll be washing truck's this weekend Mon Dec 8 21:08:10 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:it was 17 degrees this morning in richmond, va Mon Dec 8 21:08:16 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:its been years since i saw one of those Mon Dec 8 21:08:44 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:You sunshine guy's sure have it made Mon Dec 8 21:08:56 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:cleaned gutters today, and removed ice here Mon Dec 8 21:09:03 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Msg:You never should have moved Mon Dec 8 21:09:19 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:your right Mon Dec 8 21:09:20 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:Hi All, I'm late getting on so I will sit back and read a while to try to catch up with what is goin on. Mon Dec 8 21:09:31 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:i have a test gutter outside our shop, it tells us in the moring if it is possible to clean gutters Mon Dec 8 21:09:38 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:no more wasted trips Mon Dec 8 21:09:49 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:how does it do that? Mon Dec 8 21:09:52 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:let's get to some nut's and bolt's of "how too" Mon Dec 8 21:10:04 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:For those that use the X-Jet can you explain your process? Mon Dec 8 21:10:05 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:Frozen or not Mon Dec 8 21:10:06 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:OK Mon Dec 8 21:10:23 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:First off i want to know who use's soft water Mon Dec 8 21:10:35 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:who cares if they are frozen? Hot water cuts ice (or melts it) Mon Dec 8 21:10:55 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Msg:soft after I beat it with a bat Mon Dec 8 21:10:57 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:we clean them by hand, no pressure washer Mon Dec 8 21:11:11 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:ah... Mon Dec 8 21:11:28 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Do you guy's have NED steven"s in your area Mon Dec 8 21:11:49 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:? Mon Dec 8 21:11:53 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:we used to clean them out by hand, then Rod found another method. Mon Dec 8 21:11:54 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:how long does it take to clean the gutters on a 2 story home with a pressure washer Mon Dec 8 21:12:08 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I recently read a post that it is better to clean with soft, cold water than hot hard water. Mon Dec 8 21:12:10 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:Hey Ron - I live not to far from you (south) and our water is pretty good. Is water really that much of a concern for you? Mon Dec 8 21:12:20 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:he is the world's largest gutter cleaning service and he is dirt cheap Mon Dec 8 21:12:24 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:45 minutes Mon Dec 8 21:12:39 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:includes set up and break down Mon Dec 8 21:12:54 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:i want to find out if soft water is everything it's cracked up to be Mon Dec 8 21:13:13 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:what are current prices for gutter cleaning, we charge $95.00 two story Mon Dec 8 21:13:16 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:we're on city water here. some client shave wells farther out Mon Dec 8 21:13:26 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Nice money JT Mon Dec 8 21:13:46 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:we charge $65.00 for single story Mon Dec 8 21:13:49 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:around here it's not quite that high. Too many lowballers have ruined it. Mon Dec 8 21:13:51 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:I think in area's like the desert where there are a lot minerals in the water it is. But if you have good water I don't think so. Mon Dec 8 21:14:04 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:My guys are cleaning 10-20 a day Mon Dec 8 21:14:19 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:ive got a bad spotting problem Mon Dec 8 21:14:20 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Just charge $55.00 for a small pool house at a community pool plus alot of other things. Mon Dec 8 21:14:21 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:how? Mon Dec 8 21:14:42 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:are you using a rinse aid? Mon Dec 8 21:14:44 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:10-20 a day how? Mon Dec 8 21:15:01 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:4 men, 2 crews. We are very organized. one after another. Mon Dec 8 21:15:10 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Ned Steven's has 75 crew's doing 25 to 30 per day in the busy season Mon Dec 8 21:15:24 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:no b.s. Mon Dec 8 21:15:32 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:4 men per crew or 2 men per crew Mon Dec 8 21:15:55 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:2 men per crew Mon Dec 8 21:16:12 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:one guy goes to the door,the other run's up on the roof and start's by hand Mon Dec 8 21:16:17 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:ah...5 to 10 jobs per crew them? Mon Dec 8 21:16:22 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:Last year my brother and I cleaned out 15 in one day. Just 2 of us Mon Dec 8 21:16:48 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:then they throw the crud on the ground and hose them out. Collect check and run Mon Dec 8 21:16:49 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:lots of money in gutter cleaning Mon Dec 8 21:16:54 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:close together? ramblers? townhomes? Mon Dec 8 21:17:10 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:radio dispatched Mon Dec 8 21:17:37 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:All our gutter cleaning is close together, Hanover county, va. 20 mile radis Mon Dec 8 21:18:08 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:that helps. we are really spread out with lots of traffic here. we try to schedule days in certain areas. Mon Dec 8 21:18:37 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:just purchased a new machine 10.8 gpm Mon Dec 8 21:18:56 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:how does it work Mon Dec 8 21:19:01 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:wow, dual gun's? Mon Dec 8 21:19:11 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:what a pig.. Yes duel guns Mon Dec 8 21:19:37 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Good for wash down's after the surface cleaner Mon Dec 8 21:19:40 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:hot water? must burn a lot of fuel to get that much water hot. Mon Dec 8 21:19:46 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:what brand? Mon Dec 8 21:19:57 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:also good for new construction clean-up Mon Dec 8 21:20:14 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:bet it's not hot water Mon Dec 8 21:20:24 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:cold machine, pressure pro Mon Dec 8 21:20:33 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:only olson has a rig like that Mon Dec 8 21:20:51 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:what pump? Mon Dec 8 21:20:51 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:just saw that in cleaner time's today Mon Dec 8 21:20:58 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:stainless steel cart, general pump Mon Dec 8 21:21:03 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:genral i bet Mon Dec 8 21:21:31 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Where do you get the water from Mon Dec 8 21:21:37 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:can't wait to make some money with it Mon Dec 8 21:21:45 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:have to run it from a tank Mon Dec 8 21:22:08 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:my tank is set up for 2 spickets inlet Mon Dec 8 21:22:13 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:must have a big tank Mon Dec 8 21:22:24 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:525 gal Mon Dec 8 21:22:35 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Are you going to get into sewer jetting Mon Dec 8 21:22:51 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:don't know much about sewer jetting Mon Dec 8 21:23:07 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:big buck's to be made their Mon Dec 8 21:23:12 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 21:23:22 2003:Firedkm [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 21:23:27 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:you should look into it Mon Dec 8 21:23:47 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:How so? Mon Dec 8 21:23:51 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:I guess everyone is going to watch Football. Mon Dec 8 21:23:56 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:who would hire you for sewer jetting Mon Dec 8 21:24:11 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:they are dropping like flies anyone have a question about house washing Mon Dec 8 21:24:17 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:is it unclogging pipes Mon Dec 8 21:24:27 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:JT yes Mon Dec 8 21:24:39 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:roto rooter Mon Dec 8 21:24:46 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:Ron P. What all do you use for spraying chems on target Mon Dec 8 21:24:55 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Yes, what chems do you use on vinal and brick houses? Mon Dec 8 21:25:15 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:what is the best wash mix for residental homes Mon Dec 8 21:25:22 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:it depend's on what your trying to remove Mon Dec 8 21:25:32 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:i like the x-jet Mon Dec 8 21:25:34 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:mildew/dirt Mon Dec 8 21:25:44 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Mold and mildew Mon Dec 8 21:26:12 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:d-limonlene from e-spec is good for carbon type dirt Mon Dec 8 21:26:31 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:bleach is the only thing that kill's mold Mon Dec 8 21:26:31 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:How is everbody doing paver stone cleaning. They have become poular hear. they look great for a year then they get weeds and dirt. Hard as hell to clean without blowing the sand out. I end up pricing it high - factoring in that I will need to re sand. Any Mon Dec 8 21:27:41 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:I do what you do. Blow out the sand,seal the paver's if i can talk them into it, then resand Mon Dec 8 21:27:58 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Tim, have you tried a surface cleaner on them? Mon Dec 8 21:28:13 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:Hey Ron - Have you tried d-Lomonene on mold? I have on a house the they owner isisted I not use bleach. It took longer but it worked. Mon Dec 8 21:28:23 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:yes i use a surface cleaner Mon Dec 8 21:28:45 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:i mix the 2, never tried just limonlene. Mon Dec 8 21:29:16 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:if the customer said no bleach, i might have used sented bleach Mon Dec 8 21:29:31 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:Yes the surface cleaner blows out the sand also and it does not work well because they often have puddling problems. Mon Dec 8 21:29:42 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:do you use plexmaster Mon Dec 8 21:29:47 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:anyone going to 2004 convention Mon Dec 8 21:30:27 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:Yep Mon Dec 8 21:30:31 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:what is the environmental book camp all about Mon Dec 8 21:30:44 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:Don't mix them - It makes them both useless Mon Dec 8 21:30:45 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:have not sat through that one. Mon Dec 8 21:30:52 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:if they have puddle problem's it's because they were not installed correctly Mon Dec 8 21:30:56 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:But I can find out for you if you like. Mon Dec 8 21:31:01 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:I do use plexmaster Mon Dec 8 21:31:24 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:great Mon Dec 8 21:31:29 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:have you tried it on paver's Mon Dec 8 21:31:48 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:it is the only book camp I'm considering attending Mon Dec 8 21:32:07 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:no hoods, and I know wood Mon Dec 8 21:32:40 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:TM you use them fancy $7000 wash unit's, right? Mon Dec 8 21:32:45 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:Well - I guess they are not planed well raised beds and when the growth gets between the bricks it doesn't get through Mon Dec 8 21:32:48 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:I'll email you with waht I can get you info on. Mon Dec 8 21:33:12 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:thanks, you are very helpful Mon Dec 8 21:33:29 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:No problem, happy to help. Mon Dec 8 21:33:45 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:I think the convention is a little expensive Mon Dec 8 21:34:02 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:I've not used plexmaster on pavers - just vynle siding Mon Dec 8 21:34:07 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:I attend many conventions for the pdca, not as expensive Mon Dec 8 21:34:20 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:I'm on the boad for pdca, richmond chapter Mon Dec 8 21:34:41 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:would be interested in seeing the lineup they have so we can compare it to what we are doing. Mon Dec 8 21:34:57 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:It will darken the paver's a little bit but it waterproof's them for about a year Mon Dec 8 21:35:11 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:very similar lineup, guest speakers, tradeshow Mon Dec 8 21:35:16 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:wont make them slippery. Mon Dec 8 21:35:24 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:just not as expensive Mon Dec 8 21:35:58 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:TM check out www.wonderpaint.com when you get a chance Mon Dec 8 21:36:01 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:I'm going this year, just don't know for how many days Mon Dec 8 21:36:08 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:I hate to be a party pooper, but I have a few things to take care of and then an early day tomorrow. Mon Dec 8 21:36:33 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:Have you used naything else on them. I just had 1000 sqr put down at my home and would like to see them last. I want the best I can get Mon Dec 8 21:36:34 2003:bethrod [0/] Msg:nite all :) Mon Dec 8 21:36:35 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Bye beth thank's Mon Dec 8 21:36:45 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:bye Mon Dec 8 21:36:54 2003:bethrod [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 21:37:10 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:try that link i just gave you. Mon Dec 8 21:37:21 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:OK, Mon Dec 8 21:37:31 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:www.paverpro.com is another Mon Dec 8 21:37:41 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Msg:goodnight all, see you next time. Mon Dec 8 21:37:58 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:I guess you do work in Deal? Mon Dec 8 21:38:05 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:nite JT and I am going to crash also. Mon Dec 8 21:38:09 2003:JTPAINTWASH [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 21:38:21 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 21:38:30 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:not much, they have all the money but spend much Mon Dec 8 21:38:46 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:how and what is used on roofs Mon Dec 8 21:38:56 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:you can only work on certian day's in that town Mon Dec 8 21:39:00 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:I'm down at LBI - ever work hear? Mon Dec 8 21:39:24 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:No Saterday - right? Mon Dec 8 21:39:36 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:no never that far south Mon Dec 8 21:40:06 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:Stan, on asphalt roofs I used a Noah based cleaner called New again. Mon Dec 8 21:40:09 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:it's from labor day to memorial day that no work can be done in that town Mon Dec 8 21:40:41 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Do you use a pitch witch? Mon Dec 8 21:40:59 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:You mean mem. to laborday (summer season) right? Mon Dec 8 21:41:08 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Msg:Time to et ready for the concrete derby, er I mean cleaning. Later guys Mon Dec 8 21:41:13 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:yea that's it Mon Dec 8 21:41:31 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:bye otp Mon Dec 8 21:41:33 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:bye Mon Dec 8 21:41:37 2003:One_Tough_Pressure [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 21:41:48 2003:dontwashmanyhouses [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 21:41:55 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:I don't own a pitch witch- I don't do enough roofs. maybe six a year Mon Dec 8 21:42:01 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:the crowd has moved on Mon Dec 8 21:42:15 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:tuff to market here Mon Dec 8 21:42:39 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:a lot need done but no one know's about washing them Mon Dec 8 21:42:48 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:also, they suck to do. Mon Dec 8 21:43:01 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:not easy money Mon Dec 8 21:43:02 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:I have done abt 5 this year but my first year Mon Dec 8 21:43:19 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:are you down south stan? Mon Dec 8 21:43:31 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:Florence Alabama Mon Dec 8 21:43:36 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:people still dont get how bad mold is to their health Mon Dec 8 21:43:56 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:Lots of growth - Lots of washing - lots of money! Mon Dec 8 21:44:03 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:not tried that sales pitch yet will though Mon Dec 8 21:44:20 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:cold calling suck's Mon Dec 8 21:44:47 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:for me truck's is where the money is Mon Dec 8 21:45:16 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:Tell me about it , I used this nice cold day to try and get some truck accounts - I hate it. Mon Dec 8 21:45:16 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:what else has no season in a state where you have 4 season's Mon Dec 8 21:45:19 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:read in posts that x-jet used on roofs tgat are steep does it not peel the shingles Mon Dec 8 21:45:49 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:not if you put the soap tip in Mon Dec 8 21:46:01 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:arch the stream and let the chem run down Mon Dec 8 21:46:24 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:washing trucks in the cold is better than washing a two story Mon Dec 8 21:46:30 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:I like to do bottom up on everything do it does not streak. Mon Dec 8 21:46:40 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:cmobile you out their? Mon Dec 8 21:47:13 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:truck's can suck but the money is good Mon Dec 8 21:47:33 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:I have found that the road dirt comes off better from bottom up Mon Dec 8 21:47:33 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:you have to work all night's and sunday's Mon Dec 8 21:47:51 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:i am a 2 stepper Mon Dec 8 21:47:54 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:I would say thsy both have their down side - I usually don't get a check (or cash) when I'm done my trucks Mon Dec 8 21:48:09 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:give me acid and make it strong Mon Dec 8 21:48:21 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:how does it work Mon Dec 8 21:48:32 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:2 stepping? Mon Dec 8 21:48:41 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:yes Mon Dec 8 21:48:42 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:yes 2 step Mon Dec 8 21:48:44 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:chemistry Mon Dec 8 21:48:54 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:good artical in cleaner times about two stepping Mon Dec 8 21:49:03 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:acid meet's base and POW Mon Dec 8 21:49:13 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Just read it Mon Dec 8 21:49:27 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:Close in your opinion? Mon Dec 8 21:49:50 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:you down stream the acid with a dual lance and then shoot hot upstream soap on top Mon Dec 8 21:50:01 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:read article tried it saterday and didnot save time but was les brushing. Got to get use to it. Mon Dec 8 21:50:11 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:it was a little tec. for me. Mon Dec 8 21:50:34 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:what type of acid did you use. Mon Dec 8 21:50:49 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:I used cold both sides hot water really makes that differance? Mon Dec 8 21:50:53 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:if the acid wont kill you then it's no good Mon Dec 8 21:51:06 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:I've always acid, soap and rinse. According to the artical it would be beter to acid, rinse, soap, rinse. Mon Dec 8 21:51:23 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:hot water rule's Mon Dec 8 21:51:38 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:no way would i rinse off my acid Mon Dec 8 21:51:57 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:HF and make it strong Mon Dec 8 21:52:09 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:Dont know name but it is a 1 on the scale Mon Dec 8 21:52:16 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:i'll give you a secret tip. Mon Dec 8 21:52:29 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:love secrets Mon Dec 8 21:53:02 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:eather [as in starting fluid] added to the HF make's the best stuff ive ever seen. Mon Dec 8 21:53:21 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:how much Mon Dec 8 21:53:34 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:do you soap windows and are you afraid of getting it on the really nice rigs? Mon Dec 8 21:53:57 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:I know some dont like larry aka bigboy but he's smarter then 99% of the people out their. Mon Dec 8 21:54:38 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:I 2 step all truck's unless polished Mon Dec 8 21:55:04 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:you mean aluminum pollished Mon Dec 8 21:55:32 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:I've noticed it does not like dark paint, polished alum. and glass Mon Dec 8 21:55:42 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:Window's get screwed up because people dont rinse well enuff. It lay's in the gutter rail's and leak's down. Mon Dec 8 21:56:11 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:alum,stainless,anything that is hand polished Mon Dec 8 21:56:29 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:polish is just wax Mon Dec 8 21:56:36 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:I just got orders to take the worn polish off a gas tanker and no runs or shades took a lot of acid Mon Dec 8 21:57:12 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:you can get acid in diffrent strangth's Mon Dec 8 21:57:25 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:if you used acid it would have made the tanker white. No? Mon Dec 8 21:57:51 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:gave it a satin finish after 2ed wash Mon Dec 8 21:57:54 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:Hey ron where do you get your HF? Mon Dec 8 21:57:57 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:If you used strong HF it sure would turn white Mon Dec 8 21:58:22 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:for ha ha's check out www.eachchem.com Mon Dec 8 21:58:47 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:www.eacochem.com sorry Mon Dec 8 21:59:21 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:they have buffered acid's Mon Dec 8 21:59:39 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:Ron please explain about using eather with acid Mon Dec 8 22:00:04 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:you add the eather to the HF acid Mon Dec 8 22:00:23 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:HF acid is more then just HF Mon Dec 8 22:00:43 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:How much? what does it do? Mon Dec 8 22:01:08 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:im no chemist but eather must raise the PH level Mon Dec 8 22:01:41 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:How much do you add? Mon Dec 8 22:01:45 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:the bigger the diffrence in the PH level's of the acid and soap the bigger the POW Mon Dec 8 22:02:38 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:in my acid i used 5 gal in a 55 gal drum, then it's 1 gal of acid to 4 gal of water,then downstream at 10 to 1. Mon Dec 8 22:02:55 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:I get my acid from a landa dealer. Mon Dec 8 22:03:23 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:he cant get me ether anymore and i cant find a supplier. Mon Dec 8 22:03:36 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:5 gallons of eather? Mon Dec 8 22:03:58 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:yes Mon Dec 8 22:04:29 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:it evoperate's fast Mon Dec 8 22:05:06 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:ive seen carpet cleaner's use this stuff Mon Dec 8 22:05:15 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:it also has flash poin in the negative degree area Mon Dec 8 22:05:22 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:How did you come up with using ether Mon Dec 8 22:05:30 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:bigboy Mon Dec 8 22:05:49 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:he make's his own HF Mon Dec 8 22:06:07 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:the only guy who i know that dose Mon Dec 8 22:06:10 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:Does it last when its mixed Mon Dec 8 22:06:38 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:How does he make it? Mon Dec 8 22:06:57 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:I cant tell how it work's, it just kick's it up a notch. Mon Dec 8 22:07:11 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:he buy's the raw chem's Mon Dec 8 22:07:36 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:when your in farm country you can get stuff like this. Mon Dec 8 22:07:49 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:Does ether have a shelf life when mixed? Mon Dec 8 22:08:20 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:you cant get it around here because the drug dealer's use it to make meth amphatimin Mon Dec 8 22:08:38 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:i keep the lid on Mon Dec 8 22:09:16 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:The DEA would be on you if you order it Mon Dec 8 22:09:34 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:prob. so Mon Dec 8 22:09:57 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:might not when they saw your type of buissness Mon Dec 8 22:10:26 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:They might call their buddies at the DEP Mon Dec 8 22:10:26 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:How strong a % of acid do you use Mon Dec 8 22:10:31 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:they dont check every farmer that order's fertilizer Mon Dec 8 22:11:14 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:I think it has 30% HF and i dont what the remainder of it has. Mon Dec 8 22:11:32 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:It might be on landa's site Mon Dec 8 22:11:53 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:i might try sunbrite for my next batch of acid Mon Dec 8 22:12:12 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:i'm paying $450 per 55 gal of acid Mon Dec 8 22:12:32 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:Delivered? Mon Dec 8 22:12:48 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:i also wash a truck in 20 min and get $45 per truck. Mon Dec 8 22:13:04 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:no unless i pay an extra $50 Mon Dec 8 22:13:16 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:What type of truck? Mon Dec 8 22:13:22 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:my land dealer makes his own brew. - Orders from someone else adds something puts his label on it raises the price and sells it as his own. Mon Dec 8 22:13:29 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:dump truck's Mon Dec 8 22:13:38 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:they all do that Mon Dec 8 22:14:02 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:he prob add's eather Mon Dec 8 22:14:26 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:How many do you wash a day? Mon Dec 8 22:14:30 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:HF is some really really bad stuff Mon Dec 8 22:14:38 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:he charges $300. a drum it is good stuff Mon Dec 8 22:14:59 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:i wash weekend's only and wash about 30 Mon Dec 8 22:15:19 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:Part time? Mon Dec 8 22:15:34 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:sometime's less, sometime's more 1 helper Mon Dec 8 22:16:04 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:yea,part time. Im a union glazier right now Mon Dec 8 22:16:36 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:Ron iare you the one that uses roller pumps Mon Dec 8 22:16:44 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:Why don't you wash full time? Mon Dec 8 22:16:50 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:I dont have the disapline to work full time for myself Mon Dec 8 22:17:21 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:I understand Mon Dec 8 22:17:22 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:i start to mess around to much and winter's are a killer Mon Dec 8 22:17:43 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:me to till the bills are due Mon Dec 8 22:18:10 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:Winter can be tough Mon Dec 8 22:18:11 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:i like to wash but night's and weekend's all the time suck Mon Dec 8 22:18:32 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:with truck's you can never miss a week Mon Dec 8 22:18:53 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:speaking of bills - I need to go to bed so I can pay a few ! Mon Dec 8 22:18:59 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:the next week your twice as screwed Mon Dec 8 22:19:09 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Msg:see ya! Mon Dec 8 22:19:13 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:bye Mon Dec 8 22:19:14 2003:TMcCulla [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 22:19:16 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:im going too be good and good nite Mon Dec 8 22:19:33 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:bye all Mon Dec 8 22:19:39 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Msg:Good night I am going too Mon Dec 8 22:19:45 2003:RonP [0/] Msg:this was cool, i'll do it again Mon Dec 8 22:20:05 2003:RonP [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 22:20:06 2003:Cmobilepower [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 22:20:06 2003:Stan [0/] Msg:was fun night Mon Dec 8 22:20:12 2003:Stan [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 22:26:20 2003:oneness [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 22:26:51 2003:oneness [0/] Msg:Well...I suppose I am too late!!! Mon Dec 8 22:27:10 2003:oneness [0/] Logout:_ Mon Dec 8 22:56:02 2003:Aplus [0/] Login: Mon Dec 8 22:56:56 2003:Aplus [0/] Msg:anybody here? Mon Dec 8 22:57:31 2003:Aplus [0/] Logout:_

There are simultaneous users and total users....they are two different numbers. The one you listed was simultaneous users. The daily numbers are higher. ;) And you're right, we have worked very hard on this site to make it what it is today. We wanted to bring as much to the user as we could, and we're still working hard to do that. :coffee: Beth p.s. and Ron, everyone noticed when *** was number one. :) At least I noticed....

Henry, This is a fine spot. You might want to post the game date and a phone number or email address for folks who are interested. Beth

You will need to create an account and click REGISTER. Try creating one without the @ sign. Sometimes odd characters are not accepted by programs.

Hi Stan, I'm looking for a host now for the equipment chat. We can certainly cover the areas you mentioned. Normally the conversation flows the direction the users take it. Should have that scheduled soon. Hope to see you online tonight! Beth;)

House Washing has been SET for Monday, Dec. 8th, at 8 pm EST.

Here's a list of currently scheduled chats, and links to them for January. http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums/chat.php Chats are scheduled for: :clock: Wood Care: Focusing on Newly Constructed Decks - Wednesday, Jan. 7th, 8 pm EST Wood Care: Focusing on Stripping a deck - Wednesday, Jan. 14th, 8 pm EST Marketing: Are you focused? - Thursday, Jan. 15th, 8 pm EST Wood Care: Focusing on Exotic Wood Types - Wednesday, Jan. 21st, 8 pm EST Wood Care: Focusing on Older Damaged Wood - Wednesday, Jan. 28th, 8 pm EST At: PWNA's site on Tuesdays in December at 8pm EST http://www.pwnabbs.org/chat1/ Tuesday, January 6th, Business Chat 8pm Eastern, Everett Abrams will be the moderator Tuesday, January 13th, Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning Chat 8pm Eastern, Doc Riesman will be the moderator Tuesday, January 20th, Wood Chat 8pm Eastern, Everett Abrams will be the moderator Thursday, January 22nd, Truck Washing Chat 8pm Eastern, Michael Hinderliter will be the moderator MONDAY, January 26th, Marketing Chat 8pm Eastern, Beth Borrego will be the moderator See you online! Beth & Rod Administrators :corn:

Consider it done. I'll book it. If you have not used the chat module just register using your username and password like on the BBS. Beth;)