Jarrod 22 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 I ordered a 1/4 inch barb from E-spec north along with my other stuff. I tried it out yesterday. All I can say is "Holy crap! This thing really works!" (I really said that.) Yes, it shoots further than an X-Jet. Looks like I'll be Down Streaming houses this year. I'll still use my X-Jets on those Behr decks. If you haven't tried this yet, you have to. It's worth a couple of bucks, trust me. Bennifits are: 1 - Shoots further/higher 2 - 1 bucket of housewash per house! (Instead of 2 or 3) 3 - No more tangled hoses 4 Only move the bucket of H.W. once or twice. (Unless you can leave it in the truck.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John T 744 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 I ordered a 1/4 inch barb from E-spec north along with my other stuff. I tried it out yesterday. All I can say is "Holy crap! This thing really works!" (I really said that.)Yes, it shoots further than an X-Jet. Looks like I'll be Down Streaming houses this year. I'll still use my X-Jets on those Behr decks. If you haven't tried this yet, you have to. It's worth a couple of bucks, trust me. Bennifits are: 1 - Shoots further/higher 2 - 1 bucket of housewash per house! (Instead of 2 or 3) 3 - No more tangled hoses 4 Only move the bucket of H.W. once or twice. (Unless you can leave it in the truck.) Yea but whats the strongest rate it can shoot the chemical up. The 7-1's don't work for me which is the reason I like the X-jet so much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R L S 14 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Downstreamimng is the way to go!!!! Welcome aboard!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FCPWLLC 233 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Yea but whats the strongest rate it can shoot the chemical up. The 7-1's don't work for me which is the reason I like the X-jet so much. What are you cleaning? What chem are you using? Downstreaming, for me, always gets enough chem on. The only time I use x-jet is flat work soaping/oxalic etc.. Concrete buildings too. If your not cleaning Vinyl then I see why the x-jet works better. Maybe your chems aren't strong enough in the first place. Do you buy from a distributor that pushes x-jets in order to be more profitable on thier dilluted chems? Sometimes overlooked..... The greatest benefit to downstreaming house washes is the marketing advantage of "We never use more that 40 psi on your Vinyl" Lower pressure is much safer on vinyl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarrod 22 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Yea but whats the strongest rate it can shoot the chemical up. The 7-1's don't work for me which is the reason I like the X-jet so much. If your mix is strong enough, downstreaming is more than sufficient. I have always downstreamed all of my deck chems for years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RSuds 24 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Can it suck the soup thru 250 ft of hose. Everything is left in the trucks. Brian Wendling Rolling Suds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GymRat 14 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 John T., I also went to downstreaming last year, and I,m now converted. Still use the xjet for rinsing, which keeps it with me in case I have to use some ox, or have a really bad green side of a house, then I will place a small bucket of solution for xjetting that side (very rare). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarrod 22 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Can it suck the soup thru 250 ft of hose. Everything is left in the trucks.Brian Wendling Rolling Suds Good question. Up to 200 ft. of hose. I tried it and it worked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff 232 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Can you use 350-500ft & downstream? And what do you need to do that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R L S 14 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 I think I heard that if you use a smaller orifice in the injector then you can draw from longer lengths of hose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Dahlke 114 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 What about the effect of the chemicals going through your hose? Does it shorten the life compared to X-jetting and having only water in the hose? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R L S 14 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Doug, I downstream everything, bleach, HF Acid, PH acid, truck soap you name it. I have not noticed a decrease in hose life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PressurePros 248 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Jarrod, about time, man. X-Jetting is so 2004. haha Doug, chems are diluted enough and since rinsing is almost instantaneous, there is no damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plainpainter 217 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 what is a 1/4" barb? Please mind my ignorance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarrod 22 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Jarrod, about time, man. X-Jetting is so 2004. haha Yeah, no doubt. Now if I could only find a place for it on my horse & buggy rig.LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarrod 22 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 Can you use 350-500ft & downstream? And what do you need to do that To my knowledge, no. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Keth 15 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 I run 200 feet of hose and have no problem but Jeff runs some serious length. I have to imagine that there is a solution to his issue though. Perhaps some of the double injectors? Two injectors inline? Would love to see some of you long hosers run some tests and see what kind of draw rates you get. I have to think that this is not impossible but just requires a bit of experimentation. If you can solve it your bottom line will love you for it. I love my X-jet. I think it was GymRat who suggested using it for my rinse nozzle and it has been great. I also use it on really green stuff with chem which is typically one side of the house here. I have a house to do tomorrow that is gonna be worth some pictures. His HOA left him a note saying that if he didn't clean it by Wednesday he would be fined. Temps are going to be a bit cold so I will be turning the heater on to 100 degrees just to help the housewash mix out a bit. Must remember the camera! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John T 744 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 I use to down stream for years and had numerous injectors from different companies. Since I use a ton of chlorine/bleach I use to go thru quick connects hoses etc. even the injectors went bad with the little ball in it getting corroded out. Then of course I went to a ceramic set-up but I never got the mixes I was looking for. Maybe I cleaned alot more then most here because My hoses would corrode also with so much sodium hypochorite running thru them. Oh yea my wand quick connects to would wear down from downstreaming. What I probably do is use chemcals at a much stronger rate then alot do here. I put them on fast and rinse them off fast. I also do alot of Cedar houses where I need a strong mix of stripper to go on them and once again if I dont need my deckster to put on the stripper the next best thing is my x-jet because of the strength I can shoot the stripper up at 30 feet. So downstreaming doesn't work for me anymore because I go with stronger mixes to go faster. More dangerous doing it my way but its much faster and to me Time is a major factor. Except for the way I clean I guess you could say as Ken does its so 2004. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PressurePros 248 Report post Posted January 29, 2007 haha, I'm just busting your chops, John. Whatever works best for you is my philosophy. For what its worth, running two rigs had a combined reading from the hour meters of 720 hours and ran through stripper, acid, bleach and every other god forsaken chemical and did not replace one thing due to failure from hoses, to QC's to downstreamers. I always get the most expensive parts and I never get let down. On the hose length thing.. I get noticeabley less draw at 250 ft than with 200 ft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kory 14 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 Can it suck the soup thru 250 ft of hose. Everything is left in the trucks.Brian Wendling Rolling Suds I have no problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kory 14 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 E spec sells a double gulp downstreamer to pull more chem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PWkid 79 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 If you run over a 150 ft of hose you need a smaller oriface on your injector. I use a downststream injector with 300 ft of hose everyday and it works fine. If I need stronger chemical (rarely) I just fire up the John Blue Pump, on smaller jobs I'll put chem in a pump up sprayer. I have tried an x-jet and to me anything is better than carrying around extra hose and buckets of chem. my .02 worth I also use a stainless steel injector which makes all the difference in the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dave O 15 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 over 500' and no problem for hood jobs in malls and large schools where parking is a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Kassander 26 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 The 1/4" barb is just a standarg 1/4" barb x 1/4"mpt hose barb. The larger size gives you the opening to be able to drop the pressure for downstream chemical injection and it shoots it like a 0 degree tip. Plus if you want a little angle to the spray you can flatten the tip a little to get a spray pattern. Barbs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jarrod 22 Report post Posted January 30, 2007 If you run over a 150 ft of hose you need a smaller oriface on your injector. I use a downststream injector with 300 ft of hose everyday and it works fine. If I need stronger chemical (rarely) I just fire up the John Blue Pump, on smaller jobs I'll put chem in a pump up sprayer. I have tried an x-jet and to me anything is better than carrying around extra hose and buckets of chem. my .02 worth I also use a stainless steel injector which makes all the difference in the world. Hey Mel, what injector do you use for 300 ft. of hose? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
