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John, Have not used the toner...can ya say if it leaves a topical coat or is that mainly penetrating oils?

Only way I would touch it with sanding would be with drum sander and then if ya have cupping at all you'll have to attack it really good with proper cross hatch methods as used on interior wood flooring. Call it $4+ a foot in such case. I'd stick with masking things off real well with plastic and poly tape before wash/stripping methods.

Problems with hitting with sander first... Nails and screws need sunk, you'll go through tons of paper, and no stripping or cleaning is acheive between boards.

This one was ugly and thick. Took two strips and major defelting afterwards. You know it will be tuff when part is shiny and thick: and other parts are dry and flakey: But don't let the flake fool ya as ya still have to disolve it to get underneith it. The above light brown sections of acrylic still took two strip. I threw hydroxide, gylcol, and butyl at it and let dwell 10-15. Helper kept it wet throughout as acrylic luvs to go back solid. Scraping through the gunk with a stick to bare wood lets me know when it ready: Got to be ready for piles of goop.. This one filled a fiver: You know ya got it all, or close to all when the wood turns dark from the water and chems getting in the wood: Downside to such aggressive acrylic stripping is likely furring of the wood: Here is after we countersunk the nails with palmnailer and defelted with low speed swing buffer: I won't kid ya none, this job was tuff and there was a tad collateral damage. Lost a little of the solid trim at the house as it was inset lower than deck and the first foot of plants at edge received some goop as well as some needed trampling in order to get in there and stain. Oh and no we did not strip it all off the verticle fascia boards. AC stain followed and worked out for both verticles and horizontal.

That kinda shine don't kick over easy whether ya dwell it or not. I'd rather hit it strong from get go to get through it...Acrylic luvs to go back to a solid as it dries.

Yea intercoat lifting can be issue at times that will stick a double strip to ya.

Oh that is gonna be tough Matt!!..

Ya forgot pics..here I'll substitute one for ya..lol: (edit- nevermind..pics to large and intrusive.) Been seeing same thing with high end customers being way too loyal to their high end painters. Eventually the painters have to concede that doing decks is not at all same as painting houses. This last one pictured took two strips and I have no idea exactly what the painter had put on it. Maybe conversion varnish for all I know. He found me and recommended me to the HO which I guess I should be thankful for.

Rick, You get the percentages direct from AC? If there is that much linseed to paraffinic in there it sure doesn't look it. Wonder what the total percentage is that lets it penetrate so well. Overall it pretty much looks absent of solids. On the cleanup it can go either way in needing spirits. If ya catch it right away regular cleaner works fine. I spilt a few cup on aggregate and was able to absorb it out with rag and then followed up with purple power. That said, linseed content can be noticed while cleaning lines and buckets. I just know once the stuff dries it is tough stuff. In using a sprayer I almost had same result as you did with the house cutting in but quikly noticed that properly triggering off while still in motion prevented puddeling of the pigment. I also went back and backbrushed. I then caught that wet edge just very lightly with same triggering off method standard to spraying most products. Last job seemed really thirsty for more pigmentation so I did second and third wet on wet coats of rustic brown to where it all looked evenly wet for a longer time after. Although other jobs took one coat fine with Sierra Redwood and no need for backbrushing I just couldn't leave the Rustic Brown one alone. Coulda been the level of strip I had to give it or, more likely, it coulda been lack of patients on my part as I know these stains need time to settle in and acheive their final color but I kept applying anyways. Mind you I was using the semi trans where as Alan shows us the semi solid. That was more like I was after. To be honest I would have to say that AC is not 100% foolproof and can need some backbrushing if more is applied than is supposed to be. There is sticker on lid I believe saying not to overapply though so go figure...

Sounds like moisture underneith or finish lift/pop. In assuming this coating is the solventborne variety, the xylene will fix it or situate it for a proper recoat/touchup. It shouldn't remove it persay. Spray hefty dose early on a cool morning and it will melt the finish allowing moisture to escape or for it to bind to the surface. Parts that don't totally show as fixed should look fine by proper recoat of solventborne acrylic. Removing such solvent coatings are a job for paint removers and lacquer thinner, or grinding, or blasting. Regardless, whether using xylene to fix or harsher stuff to remove, be prepared to give it a good pressure wash to remove any imperfections that might crop up. Can save time by planning the wash for last usually as sometimes it just turns out like new with no need for wash.

Just can't see trying to defelt the large flat deck areas with itsy bitsy hand grinder equipment if job suits so we videod another option I've mentioned before.. This deck furred up pretty bad after removing multiple coats of acrylic. I'll save the strip pics and videos for another thread.. ..still a little wet mind you, but furry none the less For a mild defelting we first mounted a mild nylon brush on the 20" machine for mainly the edges.. Helps to have the weight involved of this larger/older Clark model. With this type brush or a more aggressive Nylogrit or Stratagrit brush (Kev's Velvet Elvis) the torque involved to user is substantial so I do no advise for small people. [yt]D1_U0yRZQLI[/yt] Enter a better option with same machine: Enjoy! [YT]9U6ApOIrido[/YT] We were utilizing what is called a 3m HiPro black pad driven by the brush. They are very open weaved and are the roughest pads made(for wax stripping usually). When new the bite is abit much but since we run them on vinyl or concrete strip jobs abit first we can get away with them on decks. They pretty much mildly sand the floor or knock off the fur real quik. One pad, one 1k sq. ft. deck and it will still do plenty more work. Nails were sunk with palm nailer to be able to use the pad, otherwise ya got to stick with brush. When pads are used (and handle adjusted correctly) machine torque is minimized. I would not advise under a 17" machine. Con's you ask?.. 1. You must be able to get it on the deck which can be a challenge if there are no walks. 2. The bigger stronger the motor the more likely you'll flip breakers. 3. You'll want to use it all the time... One defelted deck:

Can't say exactly how much it weighs but I throw it in the back of the truck on my own most the time simply due to fact that I don't pull trailer to job sites except for wash days. Not sure I could do that with James' 130lber. Seems about same weight as aircompressor when the boy and I lift either of them in and out. If doing vinyl or concrete jobs with it I just roll it up ramp with the larger scrubbers. This model is a Clark 20" Floor Maintainer. Older and heavier the better I say as the motor will likely be more heavy duty and withstand abuse and torque.

Here is sublink on Earnings from your link: EXXON MOBIL CORP - XOM Annual Report (10-K) INCOME STATEMENT Again these are old figures before this huge increase.. If we are to believe the figures of Exxon before the increase it reads that they had over 400 billion in sales, costs of 334 billion, showed income of 70 billion, and paid income TAX of about 30 billion in 2007. So since prices are up this year the income tax may goto like 60 billion if they not too brave at doctoring up the write offs. The meat of it is deeper in the numbers though of course on how all that 400 billion was spent. Surely it goes to those in the industry that pay income taxes in round about way. So the money comes out of peoples savings where they already paid tax and it goes into the goobermints hands by being recycled and sucked from us. What the sales be this year for them?.. maybe 800 billion?

James, What pad or drivers do you like on them?

Mike, Thanx for them links... I don't see these conversations limited to fed tax or sales tax. Your links aren't helping a case for goobermint entities not capitalizing off the huge money of the gas/oil industry in my opinion especially when I live in Ca where we are paying $4.45+ per gal of gas at the pump. Where you think the price difference between what oil per gal used to be on world market and the current $3.20 goes? It just lines the oil baron/sheiks pocket or do those they beholding to are profiting as well?. We are to think whatever goobermint entities they workin under are gonna let them slide without getting their share?. Or you by chance gonna elude the money is not profit at all but now suddenly goes into R&D or something?. That would be magical. Is all a big game of hide the money, now ya see it now ya don't.. like first it was in our pocket and now it not in anyones pocket.

Best advice.. don't turn them after initial adjustment. Adjust pressure down by selecting tip orifice sizes that are larger than what your machine calls for which is about a 4.5 or 4. More like a 4.25 but don't think they make such.. Have a look at the provided chart.. C_Nozzle2.pdf

Last time I heard, taxes paid on products are taxed at a percentage. Some types of tax are even listed on pumps. So until you show some sort of proof negating that I will continue to believe more revenue is going to the goobermint than ever.I have no problem with believing what ya say..Just please point us to some sort of proof. Thanx Mike!

Chris, The grandparents took the rv down last week and I believe they were under impression that yes gas is way cheaper down there. They go down every so often to save thousands on teeth work too. :)

Yup..the more something is the more its profit range tends to vary. With such wide fluctuations going on now ya can't even tell if one minion station owner is reaping a few cent more than another.

Is it suitable for signing?. You could mail it around to different folk over through the season and then frame it for him over winter. Speaking of gloves... Got me sweet goat skins long enough to cover the wrists. Only $15 at HD supply. That place rocks!

"If we don't don't go through the Valleys, We won't reach the Peaks!" "If current price of oil and gas are the valley I've not enough air to ever have chance at seeing the peak."

So we take every gal sold, divide by every person vested in mutuals, times it by 6 cent, and call them all retired. Guess everyone vested in mutuals will see a 50% profit this year...lol :) ps- Joe, not far off the mark....every gal sold equals higher tax profit to goobermints. So why do anything when they just gained what is basically a new commodity/thing to count on? Far as what each barrel of oil could make..not sure anyone knows exactly what it could be but I doubt it anything near the figure you heard. A 55 gal drum is 44 gal but oil is based on 42 gal. Oil to Gasoline

Here I'll gripe abit...Some say it all about demand but demand of industrializing coutries such as China and India supposedly driving prices up doesn't make sense to me unless there is shortage of it being available. I heard it said countries or speculators are buying and stock piling it up for profit minded resale at later date and is what is fueling the out of control hikes. Apparently even OPEC is calling for checking things as they know they are bound to loose some their customer base (countries that are gettin the shaft) if too many get on board and decide to dump money into development of alternative energy sources. I tired of hearing about demand...there has always been means to keep pricing down of things that are automatically needed by everyone. They (whow ever that is) like to use the word in my opinion to side track us and belittle the real issue of pockets getting lined with big fat money. Another way of saying "demand" can be that there is "competition to be a customer" and that in my my mind makes no sense if the oil be flowing. And we all know it is, isn't it??.. In considering the word "competition" it may automatically remind some folk that the word most usually applies to compettion on a seller/producer end. I say there are forces at work that are meant to eny us a right to blaim the seller/producers. The oil industry surely has things aligned in a monopoly type plan and some fat pig goobermint entities have no reason to even try and fix the sudden pricing hike, which is a shock and very burdensome to many, when their pockets or their main constituants pockets are getting filled. Our country as well as other countries are dropping the ball in that not only should being more self sufficient be on agenda but also some sort of revamp/adjustment of the oil industry in general that changes the obvious monopoly situation going on. Anyone ever hear of the big oil demand countries considering a get together/coalition effort to do something?. Like yea right.. the leaders and folks with money are just redistributing the money towards their own pockets and have no reason to do anything different for the masses at this point when there is plenty of middle class bank accounts and retirements still full of money. I don't hesitate to say that there is plenty of folks that gas prices just don't effect as much as it does others. Not only do some such folk not even drive much but they don't care if they will have to pay abit more for distributed and manufactured items. The fat cats holding all the cards been purposely moving things in general offshore setting the people of the United States up into dependacy relationships for years and years. The plan is all coming together to rake people over the fire and suck America dry of its great wealth which was built off homebased ingenuity and oil. We got to bring it home people, we got to rid the red tape, we have to declare war on energy devolpment and keeping our own house in order...sorry for being so long, more to say but dinner calls..