Jon

Be thankful it was dogs and not cats, cats have an acid that will not come out, we had to remove the baseboard and support wood and replace all to remove it. Also try bleach, let it soak into the concrete, pour it down and put an old towel over it, keeping it damp for a couple days. Dogs do not have acid in their urine so should be not be as toublesome to reomve, still as the othes mentioned you will need to work at it and charge like your Donald Trump! Jon

Eastern time, always Eastern time, it's like you folks just don't stay up late using Western thyme! Sorry I was not here to join in, but when I got home it was way past that Eastern time so need to try and plan ahead for this chat stuff. Jon

Melissa covered it pretty good, hoses get dirty, why transfer that and all the junk they run over, gum, crap, who knows what else to my hands. And hoses get HOT too, so do wands if you happen to touch one instead of the holders on them, and when using QC to go from wand to surface cleaner, man ever touch one of those after 10 or more minutes of hot water going though them? Most important reason, safety. I use different gloves for mixing my chemicals, rubber ones. Jon

I have tried several brands of gloves, find most are not what they claim, both in size and quality. I have been using Wells Lamont for a few years and the xl fits my hands good, not tight or loose and they last, not forever but a few month. The two styles I use are: Model 4400XL I like this one best. Model 3300XL is second choice. Not easy to find in XL, some Home Depot and Lowes' carry them, they can order them if you get the manager and ask him. Or you can contact Wells Lamont directly but they usually do not discount as they would be in competition with their distributors. Ask for a business owners discount and offer to buy 6 dozen. You can mix up the amount, they come 6 pair to a package. http://www.wellslamont.com/flash.html Jon

Dave I must admit I would have run out of nails! I have a short fuse at times and when I blow I swear and I do mean SWEAR and it matters little if it is male or female I swear at. Now where is that case of nails? Ok a box will do, I have over the years learned to control it but it is not perfect. I do blame part of it on I do not take NO for an answer and being half deaf I tend to talk louder to start with, that right off puts people on the defensive. As we age we do tend to mellow, some, but still that "no" word is not one I accept very willingly, see I have mellowed as I mature:)

And the 3rd days turkey salad!

Beth post it, the one about the nails and board. I have not seen that one. Beer, well there is NO room in my life for it, don't drink it. Paul B. is going to disagree 100% on that subject and with pleasure. Jon

Turkey, are you kidding! Not that found of it, a bit of dark meat but the stuffing is where the flavor is at. HAM is what I like, and it has to be moist and not injected with water. Not easy to find anymore, most hams sold have been filled with water, read the label and you will see, broth injected or some other word. Even better is the Hawaiin Kalua pig! A good Kalua pig is very moist. YUMMY YUM. Jon

Jeff I would suggest you ask a few of those questions from the person or company you buy the product from. Not all products follow the same directions, some chemicals are best when mixed with warm water just before using, others need to be mixed with time to be absorbed. Beth or Rod can answer them, go to: http://www.seedirtrun.com/

What John Orr should do is send this guy a registered letter with proof of delivery and tell him point blank he does not have permission to use any of his pictures and to do so shall bring legal action against him. Then keep checking his board to be sure he obeys, or have an attorney send the letter. I remember someone used one of Beth and Rods pictures not that long ago and I think Beth called him on it then he removed it. Sometimes you have to get tough with those that steal and lie. Morgan you did the right thing too. Jon

ATLANTA This is for anyone who lives in Atlanta, who has ever lived in Atlanta, has visited Atlanta, ever plans to visit Atlanta, knows anyone who lives in Atlanta, knows anyone who has ever visited Atlanta or anyone who has ever heard of Atlanta, Georgia. Atlanta is composed mostly of one way streets. The only way to get out of downtown Atlanta is to turn around and start over when you reach Greenville, South Carolina. All directions start with, "Go down Peachtree" and include the phrase, "When you see the Waffle House." Except that in Cobb County, all directions begin with, "Go to the Big Chicken." Peachtree Street has no beginning and no end and is not to be confused With Peachtree Circle, Peachtree Place, Peachtree Lane, Peachtree Road, Peachtree Parkway, Peachtree Run, Peachtree Trace, Peachtree Ave, Peachtree Commons, Peachtree Battle, Peachtree Corners, New Peachtree, Old Peachtree, West Peachtree, Peachtree-Dunwoody, Peachtree-Chamblee, or Peachtree Industrial Boulevard. Atlantans only know their way to work and their way home. If you ask anyone for directions they will always send you down Peachtree. Atlanta is the home of Coca-Cola. That's all we drink here, so don't ask for any other soft drink unless it's made by Coca-Cola. And even then it's still "Coke." Gate One at Atlanta's Hartsfield International Airport is 32 miles away from the Main Concourse, so wear sneakers and pack a lunch. It's impossible to go around a block and wind up on the street you started on. The Chamber of Commerce calls it a "scenic drive" and has posted signs to that effect, so that out-of-towners don't feel lost...they're just on a "scenic drive." The 8:00am rush hour is from 6:30 to 10:30am. The 5:00pm rush hour is from 3:00 to 7:30pm. Friday's rush hour starts Thursday afternoon, and lasts through 2:00am Saturday. Sir" and "Ma'am" are used by the person speaking to you if there's a remote possibility that you're at least 30 minutes older than they are. A native can only pronounce Ponce De Leon Avenue, so do not attempt the Spanish pronunciation. People will simply tilt their heads to the right and stare at you. (The Atlanta pronunciation is "pahnss duh LEE-on"). The falling of one rain drop causes all drivers to immediately forget all traffic rules; so will daylight savings time, a girl applying eye shadow in the next car, or a flat tire three lanes over. If a single snowflake falls, the city is paralyzed for three days, and it's on all the channels as a news flash every 15 minutes for a month. All the grocery stores will be sold out of milk, bread, bottled water, toilet paper, and beer. If there is a remote chance of snow, and if it does snow, people will be on the corner selling "I survived the blizzard" tee-shirts, not to mention the fact that all schools will close at the slightest possible chance of snow. If you are standing on a corner and a MARTA Bus stops, you're expected to get on and go somewhere. Construction on Peachtree Street is a way of life and a permanent form of entertainment, especially when a water line is tapped and Atlanta's version of Old Faithful erupts. Construction crews are not doing their jobs properly unless they close down all major streets during rush hour. Atlantans are very proud of our racetrack, known as Road Atlanta. It winds throughout the city on the Interstates, hence its name. Actually, I-285, the loop that encircles Atlanta and has a posted speed limit of 55mph (but you have to maintain 80 mph just to keep from getting run over), is known to truckers as "The Watermelon 500." Georgia 400 is our equivalent of the Autobahn. You will rarely see a semi-truck on GA 400, because even the truck drivers are intimidated by the oversized SUV-wielding housewives racing home after a grueling day at the salon or the tennis match to meet their children at the school bus coming home from the college prep preschool. The last thing you want to do is give another driver the finger, unless your car is armored, your trigger finger is itchy and your AK-47 has a full clip. The pollen count is off the national scale for unhealthy, which starts at 120! Atlanta is usually in the 2,000 to 4,000 range. All roads, vehicles, houses, etc. are yellow from March 28th to July 15th. If you have any allergies you will die. But other than that, it's a great place to live!

You're welcome Alan.:lildevil:

Ever notice there is always one "kidd" that comes along and spoils things! I do think your correct Mr. Alan.

NO I hate heat and humity, I love the winters there. Heat, gad our summers here are 100 plus daily but smoggy. Unlike my neighbors in AZ. who have dry heat. I was born and raised a beach bum, er boy, lived less then a mile from Santa Monica's old Pacific Ocean Park, some will recall it was POP the magic dragon song that make it popular in the 60s.

I might take you up on that the next time I visit my best friend who sent that to me. He lives in Mariette, GA and truth be told I truly love that area, convincing the wife is another story. And with a second grandchild on the way I think I would be told move if you want but I am staying here. Usually I go in Dec/Jan but last couple years have not gone then, went in July WHEW!

Ok this can be posted in a few forums but I chose this one for broad coverage. This is about WATER, EPA, storm drains etc. We all know the bottom line is NO WATER but RAIN water down the drains. Ok so your out doing your thing, water going down the storm drain etc. You get cited by EPA or city employee for letting the water go down the drain. You appear in court, you get your say but want the EPA guy to present his side first and the judge agrees. SO it is now time to show you broke NO LAWS. Your argument about breaking the law is simple and should for all times get EPA and other agencies that enforce CWA off our butts. Tell the Judge the water you are allowing to go down the drain is RAIN WATER. Truth be told, even the great Glaciers came from the rain before freezing. Tap water too, bottled water, ALL WATER. So who is breaking what law your honor? All I was using was CLEANED RAIN WATER but still it rained at one time before I used that water, right Sir. Case dismissed. See all water at one time was rain water, it becomes snow, melts, flows to water tanks, dams, etc. RIGHT

Little Johnny is very smart! and the joke got my wife laffin too! Keep them coming gal.

This was posted not as a reason to not reclaim but a what if type of situation. More of a joke then anything but seems many took it to seriously from what I have seen in my mail.

Hmm, so you did not do a test spot? Should have done the whole job like the darker area! Hey if the oxalic does lighten it post a picture so we can see, I have never had good luck with oxalic. Jon

Alan I told you before DON'T get personal about my home life!!! No I tried HD 80 this time, Beth said it works better! I have never been cited nor do I plan to since I obey the laws. All I was saying is all water at some point came from RAIN. Therefor all water going down the storm drain is rain water. Read the law, it does not say it MUST BE RAINING, only that the only water allowed down the storm drains is rain water. Bet someone wins a case with that arguement then they change the laws to say something like "must be raining" or not prior rain water but current raining water.

I still say the lady should not have been given one penny, any of you open HOT COFFEE and set it between your legs as you drive? That is plain STUPIDITY and does not deserve an award. I wonder what she would have sued for if it was ICE COFFEE?

Rob I have seen a picture of your van, in fact I do think it shows two of them but what I would like to ask and see is what type reclaim system your using and some pictures of it. Jon

TRY it and let us know the results:cool: I take it you have kids gal? I am not referring to the BIG boy but little ones! Very interesting indeed. Jon

Big brother has arrived. In Ornage County, home of Disneyland neighbors turn in neighbors who wash their cars in the driveway, really. Some even turn them in if washing on the lawn, now that to me is going to far and I will be the first to admit to that. Ernie your using the wrong words, to use the word WASTE is asking for trouble. Now if it is just picked up, not relcaimed yes it is waste water and cannot be mixed with any other jobs water, you must take that to a certified dump station, pay to dump it and go back to do the next job. IF you RECLAIM your water, meaning it goes though filtering systems that remove some, I would like to say all or most but they don't, they remove SOME of the chemicals, grease, oil and other things, then it is called reclaimed water, legal to haul down the road. Legal to mix with the next job, heck I use it on the next job. What happens here and on other boards is people say things that scare others concerning the CWA and what is and is not allowed. Call your local sanitary department and ask them for the book on what is allowed down the sewers, you might find you can dam up the water and using a sump pump pump it directly down a sewer. Mind you I am not saying a storm drain. But before you do make sure they give you the ok, if they say it is ok get the persons NAME and make a note of the talks and KEEP IT WITH YOU in case your ever stopped. Ok here is a situation that has happened to me in the past, I was doing a job, yes I had degreaser sprayed down, it starts to rain, so what am I required to do, suck up all the rain water with my water or just let the whole thing go down the storm drains? That really did happen to me a couple times. Jon

John T. Do you think we here in CA love spending all that money on reclaim equipment, NO and we also know most guys are only giving lip service to customers about doing it, even companies like Fleet Wash, they claim to do it every job, LOL yeah right. Sure I would rather not mess with it as it is a pain but I try to follow the laws best I can. I get asked more and more if I do reclaim or capture the water I put down. Companies are getting educated here by their trade organizations. The California Restaurant Association in their monthly magazine harps on it, month after month so most restaurants are well aware of it. Many national chains will not hire you if you don't do it and they will fire you if you get caught cleaning and not reclaiming. Jon