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Well tested stripper: Extreme Solutions HD-80 (+ 10% ethelyne glycol). Be sure to neutralize. If it's the Behr product with Silicone added, even with multiple applications of a good NAOH stripper, some spots could hang on. Might need to hand sand, or hopefully, other chemical agents could do the trick. Good luck.

Bet you're glad it's done...just in time...

I never used these on wood, just metal, bought one to experiment. Grainger Industrial Supply carries Weiler Corp. (Cresco, PA) products. In my area there are a few walk-in Grainger stores, very convenient. The item listed below cross references to Osborn Brush # 32138 - 6" diam. 80grit Item # : 14506 Diameter: 6" Grit : 80 Arbor : 5/8" - 11 Max RPM: 6600 Fil. Diam: .040

Chappy - I'm glad the color made you happy...is that a deck, or an aviary? It sure looks nice... What's the difference between semi cedar and super cedar? And, how temperature sensitive are they (colder)?

apom, your effort, and result, is excellent - isn't it wonderful to see that bare wood? RE: stain selection I'm a complete novice compared to the regular posters on these forums, but, most folks seem to prefer a quality oil-based semi-transparent finish. Check out some TGS gallery, &/or business website photos, from regulars like "Beth n Rod", "bigchaz", etc. for end results. Since you went to all that trouble to expose the bare wood, a semi-transparent finish will let the underlying wood show, while still giving good UV protection. If interested, I just posted some B&A photos "Wood Tux Amaretto on PT Pine" (FORUM: Shop Talk > Projects, etc.)

I need to strip 1 layer of Cabot's 1406 (Semi-solid, oil based) on PT pine. Sounds like it should be easy. Is that right?

First, thanks for: 1. Making the first objective comments I've heard (at the end of your post). That's all I was looking for. 2. These statements were great: YOU CAN NEVER GET IT OFF. It cannot be stripped, it cannot be sanded, it cannot be recoated with another product. The color cannot be changed. (This is excatly the kind of issues I was wondering about) Now, the other stuff: 1. "No one on TGS has heard of One Time": a few years ago Armstrong Cark was not mentioned on these boards - now it seems to be a product of choice - with a banner ad to boot. Doesn't that imply that products have a right to evolve in the market place? 2. I'm not sold on the product at all - if I was, I wouldn't be asking questions. I found out about it, and put it on the forum expecting some experienced responses. I could care less about the "One Time' company - I'm just trying to learn about deck sealers. 3. I linked to the patent for the product, that had every ingredient down to the thousandth of a gram. I've never seen this on any MSDS for any product, but you said, "Also if you can't disclose whats in your product why should I bother trusting the company. I like to know what I'm using." 4. The product I brought up does not have silicone in it. 5. The main things I learned from these forums are that most mass marketed products are bleep (which I philosophically believed already) and that warranty claims on deck surfaces over 2 years are basically bleep. 6. That's why I thought TGS members would be interested in this product, and why I offered what I thought were some factual references to the product. 7. While my tone might have been wrong, and I apologized for that, I did think I would receive fact based response. The response to me seemed sarcastic, flippant, and opinionated - not a direct response to the product discussed. 8. If something sounds too good to be true it probably is...What about the probably? Unlike most fly by night products this one has published long term tests and support from the US Forest Service. I know that can't replace real world contractor experience but is is more than those other products could ever offer. 9. I looked at some decks today and they looked great - better than ones done by the same contractor with Armstrong Clark. I realize this is an infintesimally small sample of work - but are you going to crucify me for looking and wondering? 10. It seems the "One Time" is marketed poorly - that doesn't necessarily means its bad. It looks like I hit a nerve here - I didn't mean to get controversial - Oil is king here - and it sounds like for good reason. All I asked for was some simple reasons - I finally got some - but only after I was made out to be some kind of jerk for even bringing it up. This was the best source of experienced, professional knowledge I had found on Wood /Deck Restoration. I thought folks would be thoughtful. I'll keep my questions out of your posts - obviously, if the topics aren't to your liking, you just get slammed.

To those who think I attacked Beth, Rod, and See Dirt Run - I did nothing of the sort. I've seen their web site and have the utmost respect for their business and their initiative to start, and maintain, a web site. I posted a very thorough, technical description of a product, including professional feedback, and a link to its patent. I expected some form of "in kind" response, with factual support. I offered my apologies for my presumptiveness realted to expected reactions to my post. I still welcome fact based input to my post. I realize that anything related in any way to "plastic" is like a skull and cross bones to most members of these boards. That's why I included contractor input and a patent with my post. This product is unlike any "Acrylic" on the market. It does not work through surface film formation, and does not have solvent. I looked at some PT decks today that were sealed with Natural One Time about 4 1/2 years ago and they looked great. While I understand the skepticism - I thought it might be balanced with curious objective inquiry.

I apologize if my post was offensive. I readily admit, and fully respect, your extensive experience, and in no way am positioning myself as some kind of expert. I disclosed my general background, and made no attempts to pass myself off as a wood restoration / deck specialist. I came to these boards seeking the technical knowledge of expert professionals in a vey confusing product market. My questions and commentary were a sincere effort to find the best possible solution for my needs. Mostly, I certainly am not prejudiced by gender. I could see how in a male dominated field you could be sensitive to that idea. Rest assured, I was taught well by an older sister about women's rights and equality; respect for the individual is a fundamental tenet of my individual philosophy. With that said, I see no need to criticize my deck prep technique. I'm sure there might have been a better way to do my "hell deck" but a one day job turned into a week and I did what seemed necessary. By the way I did start with 60 grit and it did not work - the remnant stain and uneveness of the boards dictated my starting grit. And yes, I have a lot of experience with indoor floors - decks are a field I never spent much time in - that's why I'm so uncertain about which products are best for appearance and performance. I'm also sorry you thought I was taking pot shots at you and Rod. I was being honest with my concerns. They were meant to be an objective response. I asked about a product nobody had heard of, much less had any experience with, and expected some form of technical explanation as to its negatives &/or positives. I was excited and curious about the One Time product and was seeking some guiding input. You are certainly correct about having the right to post any way you wish - just because you are the owners of this forum I had no place expecting a certtain kind of response. So I apologize for that as well. I'm not trying to create trouble. I just want to finish my deck.

While I can fully understand strong skepticism about product claims that seem counter to present experience, I find it disconcerting that the owners of this web site would cast off a potential breakthrough product without any technical support of their opinion. I joined these boards in hopes that there would be free discourse, not sarcastic commentary without structured agrument. It makes me suspicious of both the openmindedness in your board participants, as well as possible product prejudice since you obviously adverstise both Armstrong-Clark products and their major East coast distributer at the head of your forum main page. I realize these comments are sharp, but what do expect? If your years of practical experience allow you to discount a new product don't you think you have the responsibility to communicate that position with a factual basis? Otherwise, these boards become a fraternity - not a vibrant discussion.

Seal Maxx Wood Sealant is a 2 part process that begins with a chemical that is rinsed into the wood with water, then sets up. After that, the deck needs to be sanded, and a silicone based moisture barrier is applied. Sounds complicated. Never saw it, just heard about it. I'm not sure what the first chemical is, but it sounds like it must be some acrlic, or acrylic/alkyd hybrid, since its water soluble. The One TIME is 100% solids acrylate (different from acrylic) that cures from sunlight. It penetrates the wood, and does not rely on some form of surface barrier. It also has no solvents in the chemistry, either organic or water.

First, a disclaimer: Once again, I just discovered this product, and have nothing to do with it in any way. I'm a rental property owner and small contractor who has recently become a bit deck crazy because of a large "hell deck" I'm working on, and want to find the best low maintenance solution. Since these were no responses on TGS from One TIME users, I thought I would share what I found. I talked to a restoration contractor who prefers One Time. Deck Monsters, in Glenmore, PA has used the product for over 5 years. I'm going to look at some of his decks, but he certainly sounds like a skilled and knowledgeable person. He has also used Ready Seal and Armstrong-Clark recently, so he definitely has the ability to make intelligent performance comparisons to those popular Grime Scene products.. The technology was patented in 1998, and has been available since 1999. "One TIME penetrates deep into the wood's cellular structure and cures in the natural sunlight. It can NOT evaporate or wash away like other products that simply coat the wood surface." (from web site) The 7 year warranty is on all wood, horizontal and vertical. Like any product it must be applied properly (prep, etc.) for the warranty to hold. The One TIME is expensive, retail $75 / gal. The manufacturers selling point is the life span of the product. Feedback: Pros: > Best product he's ever used, both performance and appearance > Pentrates wood better than any product he's used > Still looks good after 5 years on decks he's done > Over life cycle of product, cost is less than any other product Cons > High initial investment > More temperature sensitive than oils for proper penetration I did a bit of research and found the patent: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KKXH6hyvV3kJ:www.freepatentsonline.com/6583195.html+isobornyl+acrylate+wood+OR+preservation+OR+sealer+OR+protection&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari A lot of technical speak - but some of it is in common language. Below are excerpts from the patent: Intro: A substantially 100% solids sealer composition for use with wood and, in particular, weathered wood surfaces and other porous surfaces is prepared from a mixture of UV curable acrylates and a photoinitiator blend. The composition may further include fillers, fungicides, insect repellents, animal repellents, UV light absorbers, pigments, dyes, and the like. The photoinitiator blend is used at relatively low levels to controll the degree of polymerization. Benefit: As is known to those skilled in the art to which the present invention pertains, the average homeowner spends thousands of dollars installing and maintaining exterior structures, such as wooden decks, wooden siding, wooden roofs, wooden doors, wooden windows, and the like, and, thereafter, watch their investment deteriorate from lack of sufficient protection from the environment and/or insects. Present day film forming exterior finishes and treatments such as paints, stains, sealers and the like simply lack significant service life for the protection of exterior surfaces, such as those enumerated above, from weathering and/or attack by biological factors. Action: Given the near total absence of water and solvents in the composition of the present invention, it is able to permeate through wood without triggering liquid transport controlling or impeding structures. Thus, the composition of the present invention provides deeper penetration and correspondingly deeper protection especially when function specific adjuvants, i.e. fungicide and insect repellents, which are able to penetrate wood deeper than compositions containing solvents and/or water are incorporated herewith.

I just completed prep on a "hell deck". Layers of Behr Alkyd/acrylic hybrid and then some kind of solid stain over that. I used Extreme Solutions HD-80 with glycol added, applied with a 3 gallon pump sprayer. My initial dwell time test worked in 20-25 minutes, the stuff must stay wet. I made sure I applied when the sun wasn't hitting the deck. By the way, the HD-80 in powder form is a great bargain, $20 for 2 lbs,. that makes about 5 gallons of stripper. There's other brands out there, maybe some that are "hotter", but I only have experience with the HD-80. When I actually did the entire deck, the 25 minute dwell time took about 60% off the deck surface, with a pressure washer (2000 psi, 40 degree tip, be careful about damaging wood). Then I did another strip, dwell time of over 1 hour (had to re-wet a few times) and got the deck surface to over 90%. The spindles were really tough, since they don't weather nearly as much. I got them to about 50% with the 2 HD-80 aps, then I used a serious solvent paint stripper on some parts of them. I can see why the suggestion to replace the spindles is a smart one - getting them right was really hard, especially on the inside surface. They were square, so the outside surfaces were doable with the hand ROS. Finally, I used a floor ROS from 20-40-60 grit (deck boards were in good shape, pretty even board to board, little cupping & warping) and hit the spindles and a couple problem aras on the surface with a hand ROS with 60 grit. I got the wood to 100% exposed, then neutralized with ESI Citralic. Voila! Looks like custom planed wood right from the mill. Maybe your stuff is too much for the HD-80, or some other NaOH based stripper, but its worth a try. The stuff is cheap and easy to apply - so why not? One thing I was wondering if anyone reads this post - any tips for making a product like HD-80 more powerful?

Never heard of this product or technology until today. I did a search on "All Forums" and found nothing. They offer a 7 year warranty! The present knowledge I've found on this site seems to agree the best you can guarentee is 2 years on the horizontal and 3-4 on the verticals. Is that right? Here's their pitch: Bond's One TIME Outdoor Wood Treatment For Maximum Penetration, Maximum Coverage and Maximum Protection of Outdoor Wood Guaranteed for 7 Years. One TIME® WOOD protector is a unique exterior wood protection formula that uses a proprietary acrylate resin blend to provide long-term protection from deteriorating elements. (note: Iso Bornyl Acrylate, a UV activated polymer used in the coatings industry) At our testing site, an application of One TIME® on cedar is still performing after 8 years of exposure to outdoor weather.

How concerned should I be about coating a PT pine deck and the weather AFTER that? Which products are harmed by getting wet after application? Which products are most immune to problems with getting wet? It seems it rainging a lot now in Philadelphia region after a late summer of drought.