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I'm rolling on the floor laughing over second one. I never heard that one and had no idea where it was going. Scott

I don't disagree with you at all.The ten commandments posted a week before would have had no effect.But, morality taught and lived at school the last 45 years may have. As far as God changing the course of events, he will if we ask. It will never happen if we don't fervently pray as a nation for change.If you really believe that we would never pray for loved ones or anything else. The only reason we are still going on as a prosperous nation is because of our stance on Israel. God protects those who protect Israel he says so in the Bible. You're right about the Old Testament look at the sin and disobedience and how he dealt with it. He purged the evil and people repented and put God back where he belonged.It's cyclical and generational with all people. All I'm trying to point out that this is a nation formed on Christian beliefs and morality.We overcame great odds to gain our freedom.I believe it was at the hand of God that it happened. Now 200 years later we shouldn't try to reinvent what this Government stood for,FREEDOM.Freedom to pray to allah,buddha,your wiccan high priestess or Jehova.But instead we are allowing the few to dictate to the many through judicial activism. No hard feelings with anyone here. I think this has been an interesting thread to read even if it did get off topic. Scott

The founding father's never intended for the "separation of church and state" as it is trying to be litigated today in the courts. This is a fallacy. There was no separation of church and state in the constitution, Bill of Rights or the Declaration of Independence. The intent was to not have a state sponsored religion as in the church of England.The government wanted to stay out of the religion business as it was founded. Now if these men wanted GOD out of public eye and off Government property why does the senate,supreme court and the house ALL open in prayer. Why does the President openly place his hand on the Bible to be sworn in? Now if a muslim ever gets elected he could place his hand on the Quo'ran and all would still be well because that is his belief. When someone takes the witness stand he places his hand on the bible and makes his vow to tell the truth "so help me God". Looked at any of your money lately? Every state constitution that was written to declare the allegiance to the new nation (on the east Coast for sure) I PROMISE YOU mentions God and asks for his protection in their new government. My local parish (county, not a catholic church) is being bombarded with lawsuits from the ACLU because our school board opens up with a prayer. Our sports events open with a prayer. Then we lost that so we had a moment of silence....... Now we find that that is wrong also because we could still be praying. I don't want organized religion taught in school. I just want to be allowed pray before a football game, my leaders pray to their god, even if it's not my God, before decisions are made that affect everyone. Why does what one person feel offends them need to be carried out on everyone else. Now 99.9999999% of the people are offended or inconvenienced by the the new rule, So does it go back the old way? No!! Example, God is taken out of the pledge so another nutcase Michael in California can be happy. While the whole country is up in arms. Thank the Lord that never flew. Of course the Supreme Court gets to pray for wisdom before their session. Maybe that's why they saw the issue as silly. We are slowly litigating God out of school and government and then publicly wonder why he would allow things like school shootings and alll the horrible things our children go through to happen.When we want him gone he will respect our wishes. Better be sure that's what you want. It will only get WORSE!!!! Scott