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Jason,
Wow, eureaka, a stripper that removes multiple waterbased coatings that does not require a $9K commercial airless to spray! Talk about labor savings, this is huge. Thanks so much, I'll call them a bit later this morning.
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Rick, how many square feet do you have to do? Wish I could see the pic
Hi Jason,
I wish I could post it. I let Beth know of the problem sometime ago, I must be on some kind of system limit.
Anyway, I have heard of but never used Dorado. I'm assuming your suggestion would be Dorado Strip 3031. Yes, a bit pricey at $272 a fiver as Back to Nature Multi Strip can be picked up at my local Sherwin Williams store for $221 a fiver. And I know that Multi Strip will work.
What has me intrigued is that you say Dorado Strip can be applied through an airless. Multi Strip can, but with a large, minimum 1.9 gpm commercial airless. Must remove all filters, larger diameter hose, etc. Any idea of the minimum gpm for Dorado Strip? I've got an old Binks 1.0 gpm collecting dust for the past 10 yrs.
The deck is fairly small, about 540 ft. sq. of floor and 90 ft. of balustrade. I'll post the OP and pic over at the PWRA site in the wood forum. http://pressurewashingresource.com/
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Top of the morning Beth,
I still cannot attach picture files.
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This one is going to be fun. Well built, older red mahogany deck with multiple existing stains (see pic). Tested under the handrail on a small section with EaCo Chem's stripper cream, a highly caustic paste. As can be seen in the pic, worked well until it hit the base coating which is marine varnish.
I'm pretty sure that Back to Nature's Multi Strip will remove the varnish, but the product is costly and worse, it is extremely labor intensive to apply.
Anyone have a better solution? Thanks.
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Got a call from a customer today saying they stained their brand new cedar deck with a product from home depot two years ago and now it looks awful.
Now this isn't a regular stain. ...
Bobby,
Hard to believe the idiocy of some consumers. Pay for a new cedar deck (not cheap wood) and throw this stuff on it. Anyway, you did a very nice job removing this stuff off of the horizontal cedar. The vertical cedar is still a nightmare.Go or call your local Home Depot. There is a product called Back to Nature Multi Strip. It may work on that abortion of a coating. Buy a quart to try, make sure you put it on thicker than that "concrete colored with diarrhea". Allow to dwell 24 hours and PW or scrub with water for a test.
I'm working on a quote of a hard strip of a large red mahogany deck with numerous built up stains, including a base coat of marine varnish. I know the original owner of Back to Nature (sold the company 3 yrs. ago to Sunnyside Corp.) and just spoke to his son. He assured me that Multi Strip is the same formula as the old BTN BFS II that I used many time to strip multiple layers of foul acrylics.
Might work.
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Beth,
Bring a load down to D.C. in August. Ask Thad, get 10 or so minutes to make a presentation. Have a book signing, like BookTV on CSPAN2!
It will be a hit, offer $20 or so to a selected charity for every book purchased. Contractors, your efforts, and those in need will benefit.
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Joshua,
Find a mentor that has been doing the work that you want to do. Go on a few jobs gratis, learn a trade. Hands on.
The last thing we need is State or Federal governments regulating our business.
Do good work at a fair price. It is simple. It is American.
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... I completed a BOD term yrs ago for them and the 2nd go around this time wasn't what I expected & to fight to get things done in there was costing me way to much time. So I gave up all of my positions within the org which the President(His words) "Regretfully accepted".
I wished them the best of luck and I moved on.
John,
Good for you. I recall your trials and tribulations over many years with PW orgs. Too much time, energy, and passion expended for little return.
Take care of your business, family, and self. We're getting to that age when it is time to smell the roses a bit and enjoy life. Be well my friend.
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Beth,
Get it on Amazon and in e-book format! Congrats, it is a lot of work writing a book.
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Wow...it must be true if it is written on the internet. :stupid:
Jason,
Yup. That is how the world perceives it. Very bad karma. Any one who knows anything about exterior wood exposed to sun, rain, snow, and god knows what else knows better.
Hard to fight big money marketing and uneducated customers. But that is our job.
Funny, I'm so old I can remember hippies fighting Dow Chem's production of napalm for the war in Vietnam. Nice company to do business with.
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Courtesy of the "Paint Quality Institute", a fully funded arm of Dow Chemical. If you have worked on exterior wood for any time, reach for a barf bag.
This is more than absurd, it should be criminal. Go to: http://www.paintquality.com/en/articles/2015/04/why-acrylic-coatings-are-the-best-options-for-decks
Read it and weep.
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Diamond Jim,
aCRYlic, I get it. Hah!, I'm afraid many don't. Makes things a bit more expensive for many of our poor customers.
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... I'm also a acrylic free zone....
Hilarious Shane!
Though have to admit, we'll use them on previously acrylic stained verticals when the customer balks at the cost of stripping, and just wants the wood to "look nice".
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Rick , it's nice to say I just did a cedar maintenance 20 years old Mint !
Wow, 20 years! We are getting long of tooth. Congats, there are not many that can claim that long of a track record.
Either do your craft right, or go work for someone else. Simple.
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As far as clear western red cedar, consider the following picture. 9 yrs. old. Three applications of foul acrylic stains. The wood is rotten.
Not only the horizontals, but the custom spindles. Many were only "held together" by the friggin' plastic stain. I could poke a finger through them. Shame, new owners.
As far as red mahogany, as long as the board end cuts are sealed when built, not a problem. Otherwise, butt ends will eventually rot unless maintained every two years.
Never mind, 50 MB pic file limit is in effect. I'm done.
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I have never seen rot when using a non dry oil . It prevents moisture from entering the wood and moisture can not get trapped. It can happen with a drying oil .
Bingo! Over these many years, too many miracle stain products that long time contractors and newbies flock like vermin. AFAIK, over a few years, they fail. Seen it over and over again.
Real wood does not change. Only the BS of marketing. And contractors that believe in a holy grail.
If you have to add mildewcides, driers, or other stuff, either the stain is not appropriate to your climate or your prep is bad. Woodcare is not calculus, it is proper cleaning/stripping, neutralizing, and application.
Anything else is just fluff.
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Rick,
Nightmare to maintain? Not really, not the good ones and not on all surfaces.....
Beth
Beth,
Please re read my post. The opinion expressed is focused on horizontal exterior wood exposed to moisture. I have seen more than one < 10 yr. old deck literally rotting from acrylic stain use. Including spindles! Cedar and mahogany are especially vulnerable. One had to be over $30K replacement cost.
Care to elaborate on acrylic stain "good ones"?
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Beth,
Check your link above. I'm running Fedora Linux w/Firefox and your embedded link takes me back to this page on TGS.
Try: http://www.cleanertimes.com/books/bb2015
ShoutBox link works.
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Acrylics are not all bad, but if they are not really, really good then they can be a pistol to maintain. Have you played with samples of each yet?
Beth
Oh boy (blood pressure goes through the roof and eyes bulge out of their sockets). The only excuse to use any acrylic stain is on previously foul stained exterior wood exposed to moisture is to "make it look nice". Otherwise, its garbage. Does nothing for the wood itself and is a nightmare to maintain. OK for vertical posts, spindles and fascia if you have no other choice.
Acrylic exterior stains suck. The devil incarnate for exterior wood. Its a great coating if your want your wood to rot.
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Jesse,
These wet wood, throw it on and go type stains have come and gone in the past 8 -10 years. This is not to claim that Everett's stain is not to be used, but the track record of other formulations is not positive.
I was at Everett's location 3 or 4 yrs. ago when he introduced his stain formulation to a group of contractors. My only impression was the resulting pigment after application was not attractive. But then again, it had just been applied and had not cured. Kind of looked watery!
How bad is the typical rain pattern in Western N.C during wood season? Here in the Northeast, yeah, we get a fair share of no stain days. We just learn to work around them. We have been using Ready Seal stains (a paraffin oil based stain) going on 13 years now with great success. Jake's (Armstrong-Clark) stains are also very well formulated and manufactured, being a hybrid of paraffin and linseed oils.
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My buddies dad has a mahogany deck that is gray. He wants it cleaned. There is no algea, mold or mildew. I was going to use precarb then oxalic. Do I apply oxalic while deck it still wet from rinsing off precarb?
Yes.
There is no one wood marketed as "African mahogany". This is not a mahogany. It is a marketing term for various species of African woods, substandard compared to real mahogany. True mahogany is only found in the Western hemisphere, ie: Central and South America.
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... Always good to have a fire extinguisher on board also because the breakers don't always trip and you can have a fire . Been there done that.
Very good advice. From a wood only perspective with decks, as long as the outlets have a solid hinged cap, not a problem. We're not washing siding, only horizontal wood.
A mounted appropriate fire extinguisher in your truck is a must. Errant smokes, linseed oil soaked rags, etc. can be a catastrohpe just waiting to happen. Ask Greg R.
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Warning, this bit is not for the politically correct or those faint of heart. "Marlboro!, Smokie, Smokie".
Sam Kinison was a charmed comedian. Until a drunk 17 yr. old killed him on the way to Vegas. Hardly Easter fare, but then again ... There are classics.
This is NOT Easter fare. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPW8NJzMOqw&index=4&list=PLUS-m_9SJbv8BC6W9PobEBe2mAtdCUN6n
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Thad, Jack Kramer, and Tom Vogel produced a very worthwhile seminar in Bethlehem, Pa. early this month. Just a teaser as to what is in store for the 2015 Pressure Washing Convention and Trade Show.
Those that had the opportunity to attend last year's convention in Nashville had rave reviews and a terrific, memorable time. A week after, I had one vendor and a few fellow contractors call me and rave about the convention.
My co. is not a pressure washing business. We're wood guys. I'm signing up.
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Stripping marine varnish
in Wood Cleaning & Restoration - Decks, Fences, etc.
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Jason,
They did not offer a gal. and I did not ask. The job is not pressing, probably sometime in August. After 10 yrs. as a boat anchor in the garage, I'll have to find the time to tear down the Binks Super Bee, clean out the filters etc., and see if the old gal still works well. Its a brute, almost weights as much as my portable Hydrotek PW.
I appreciate the heads up on Dorato Strip.