NJWashingGuy

Interesting part of this tho is as follows...... Beth & Rod own The Grime Scene Bob from Pressure Tek owns PT State Ron owns PW I Who owns The ***** one??? I truly don't know. I thought the org was collectively owned by its members. Do the members own the BBS?? Who makes calls on the BBS and how?? Does the membership have a say? The interesting thing about the ***** site is that it is dedicated to "furthering the pressure washing industry" what exactly does that mean though..... basically in the eyes of who is it furthering the industry and how?? Who is the decision maker for that. What I am saying is that if you are a BBS member there, apparently you were counted as a free member or something like that, or at least in the threads regarding memership numbers that was the case. If someone is banned there, as a free member or BBS member (I don't know the classifications exactly) then how do you get banned for no reason and not breaking the rules. If this occurred on another BBS that was provately owned, there would be a large outcry about it. I have asked and not received an answer about the why, when I got an email stating that it would be reviewed. At the very least, it is censorship for an unwarranted purpose. How can you expect contractors to respect things like this occurring when the mantra is about transparency and the like?? Not looking to start or continue a fight here, just kinda thinking outloud..... Sad state of affairs if this remains the case.

Thats good news John. Your health is your wealth.... I hope it all works out for him.

Perhaps another uplifting one John... Ezekiel 25:17 The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.

Psalm 23 The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside still waters; He restores my soul. He leads me in right paths For His Name's sake. Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I fear no evil; For you are with me; Your rod and Your staff - they comfort me. You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies, You anoint my head with oil; My cup overflows. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me All the days of my life. And I shall dwell in the house of the Lord My whole life long.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery. Prayers sent.

What if the org is owned collectively by its members and operates under the guise of being a non-profit orgaization to further an industry?? ?? Should there be a vote by the membership or is what one person who is the controller says goes??

+ 10,000,000,000

What is actually more laughable is the minons that come here, don't post and fill out the survey the opposite of reality in order to serve their master's wishes. If their posts or their masters posts were censored of removed for absolutely no reason I can only imagine the hue and cry that would follow. Everyone says that there are alot of intelligent people in this industry..... I am seeing this proven wrong time and time again...... I will post what was done later, by showing the screenshots, Iam inbetween jobs today right now and decided to check in.....

Seems like a common thread with all these BBS's regardless of the topic.....

After seeing this video which purports to be from a national organization regarding their own roof cleaning certification and listening to the questions on the test, which I don't feel relate to roof cleaning very much, I have found something that other contractors may beinterested in. It appears that there is a form of certification that would likely require more work and effort than the current testing. See the below listed certficate: It appears that if you can insert your company name and sign it that you can be a certified roof cleaner and have all of the rights and privileges that accompany the having of that certificate. I thought that I would share this with my fellow contractors who are on the fence. I looked for their website but I think that its not done yet, but the president of the org is a guy named Phillip Ourwalitt.

John, is this a joke ?? Or are there a bunch of TWITs out there doing this?

nevermind......

i don't think that i am unprepared for the argument, I have been stating facts and my opinion on the cert issue for some time, not just on here. Enjoy the dance, we can continue over the weekend, I am watching the final episode of gold rush, the girls are asleep.

lets see an answer about the Carlos and Doug issue, then we can move on.....

Tony, Would Ron be one of those large corporate powerwashing firms looking to take over??? He is well on his way...

Both Carlos and Doug sell some form of detergent, Doug BT2000 and Carlos EBC. If Carlos is a vendor, then so is Doug. In comparison, Doug teaches a school Carlos does not. Carlos has two ventures, Doug now has three with the school, chem sales and business. Tony, you can sugar coat it any way you like. There is at the very least a moral and ethical issue with being in charge of an org luring the new guys in and then getting them to the "training they need" at their buddies paid schools. You are an intelligent guy. This is not what a true nonprofit org does. If there was no 501c(3) status, my posts would be limited to, who are they to certify anyone?? I don't believe in certs for many reasons. But with all that is going on, its not appropriate. I also posted a similar response to Ron on ***. Nice to see we haven't got to the name calling here yet. Lets keep the intelligent and professional discussion going.

Tony, Somewhere in here you stated that you can't answer for Ron..... Then why are you here defending him?? I understand that you guys are best friends. This is probably one of your most eloquent post sets that I have seen in over a year. There are divergent view points. You minimize what causes frustration among others because you want to side with your friends or clique..... I understand that it is human nature. You are not going to change the minds of people who do not believe in what is going on. Ron's actions have offended people. Are you offended that others are offended by Ron? People are entitled to their opinion and do not need your opinion of their opinion thrown back at them. You and I will likely not see eye to eye with one another, its probably personal for you at this point. The point of this thread was to mock what is being done in this industry. This thread has caused some in the ***** to mock themselves or the org while posting here. It does not look well for the org. The "dissenters" as you label here are not being wiped up by the ***** by any means. The pawns will wake up one day and realize that they have been snowed. The using of ones positional authority to further their own financial gain or the financial gain of their friends is deplorable when done under the guise of a 501C(3) non-profit org. Call it what it is, another money making venture, don't hide it or defend it. Ron has made the statement that Doug's School " IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD " Anyone who is rational knows that the statement is completely false. Ron has not attended every power washing school worldwide and therefore is incapable of making that judgement. Yet, he continues to do so for his buddies financial gain. Please do not try to make people believe that a $500 class attended by 7 people for a few days at a place local to your business is not profitable. Its not about Dougs school. its about how the new people are being lured to the school that is not correct. To get certified, you need credits if you don't make the time in requirement. You can get credit at Dougs school, an NCE event, whats next a high post count on ***. It is so obvious it is alarming. Just don't hide it. If you read the threads here, you will see that there are alot of questions not answered. A glaring one is WHO IS ON THE CERTIFICATION COMMITTEES?? WHO IS HELPING WITH THESE CERTS?? If there is nothing to hide, why not answer these questions. I guess Bill is too busy cleaning roofs in 20 degree weather to answer on the internet with " a new cleaning solution" thats soon to be avaialbe to ***** certified roof cleaners?? This is a joke. The skill set needed to make this work is not showing itself, and that statement is proven each day on here.

Guy, With all due respect, I read the posts here by Mr. Booze. He should answer back if he believes contrary to what is being written. Why does anyone on these boards owe him a phone call?? No one can talk over the other one on here and there will be no sides to the story. It will be public for all to see. Unfortunately, it appears that the past posts are biting him in the backside and thats why he is exercising his due diligence. Maybe after reading all of this he learned something. I heard about the last town hall meeting..... it would appear that there are some mis-statements of fact in the above posts. I have seen enough to formulate my opinion of him. I think that many others have to. I would also love some answers to the questions I posed above...

The bottom line is that with giving away free memberships, the doors are not being knocked down. The excuse of "join us and help" is another way of saying help me, we need it. Since you are the trailblazers leading this industry into the future, you should ask yourself these questions to see how you compare to other national compaines. 1. What kind of CEO acts in public the way that Ron does on the boards? 2. What BOD (individually or as a whole) is going to talk down to people who differ in opinion with them? 3. What does this org really do for powerwashers?? Have the non-members take the logo down after an internet hunt?? 4. After being discovered as a fraud, how long should you remain in your hole prior to sticking your head out again?? 5. What has this org done nationally for pressure washers ?? Other then create dissention among those that post on the forums.....which by the way is a low percentage of pw'ers nationwide. 6. After having violations of federal law pointed out what action has the org taken to correct it?? 7. Is this org bonded and insured to offer these certs ?? 8. Should you morally & ethically allow training that you know nothing about to be used as a way of baiting new contractors to attending events hosted by those that run the org to get the time in requirements waived, in order to trn a profit from them?? 9. Who makes you the standard setters for the rest of us?? So far, I and apparently many others are not impressed. 10. When you fail and admit that this was a fraud, will you close the doors like other companies that have not sustained themselves in the marketplace?? Thanks in advance for any replies. Please do not point the finger of negativity at me, I will not be blamed for the mistakes that have been made in the re-re-re launch of this org.

A picture that says a thousand words........... perhaps the new logo proof......

John, Definitive answers, not many............... Hype.......more than most can take...... If you need a meanlingless certification, copy the picture in thread #1 and insert the appropriate names. Go UAMCRC!!

80 ish............. leading the way into the future of powerwasing. Get on board while you still can!! lol!

I sparred with Bill Booze on *** about this very topic, and was jumped on by the crew.....I would like to see him post some answers here. Guy, perhaps he could come here and answer these questions. They are tough questions, no doubt, but when a comprehensive answer is not given, or conflicting answers are given on the same topic, it appears suspect. This is not to offend you..... The BOD should have one voice for the ORG, not a bunch of opinions that change with the ebb and flow of hot topics. Any organization should have a clear set of objectives and the roadway paved to that end. It appears that there is alot of flavor of the moment knee jerk stuff going on. As far as DOug goes, I though that vendors were not allowed to sit in the BOD seats. The bylaws should have something to that effect written in them. If it does, he should not be there, let alone voting, heading a committee etc. As far as Mr. Booze goes, I have not heard much good about him, I saw him in SC at the CETA show and laughed at his presentation, I heard alot of people walked out of a recent RT that he spoke at when he took the mic and I hear that his departure from RCIA is an issue. With that kind of baggage, you have to ask yourself, how in the world can someone like him be on the BOD of a professional org. He is far from a trailblazer. As a matter of fact after hearing of some of the things that he said on the last conference ***** call where he interviewed Ron, I would have to say that either he likes to embelish or he is a flat out liar. I will add that I am going off of what was told to me about what he said, I was not on the call. Any way, anyone else have something to add..... SoKal ... you will not be banned here for having an opinion, just remain respectful toward the other members and you will be fine. Fire away!

Matt, What are you showing, no attachment here....

With all due respect to the participants here....... lets keep this on topic. While I can understand that I may have put something in this thread that is not popular or creates some heated debate, lets ask and have some questions answered. There is no reason to make this a personal match up betwenn Guy and Barry. You are both obviously passionate about your belief set as are many of the posters here. Lets try to keep this about ***** certifications and how these certifications or perceived lack thereof are positive or neagtive.