Mike Williamson

I have no problem with you when you're not being an arrogant jerk. Maybe you're just a tad sensitive? I'm sure you and I could sit down and have a great discussion on any number of things...I just don't like arrogance, and you have to admit, I'm certainly not the only one pointing it out to you. Again, I have no problem with you most of the time. I have no dislike of you personally, and usually you don't come off this way...but you sure are here in this thread.

Again, more confusing and confrontational crap. No ID? His name and information has been in his profile...you just didn't bother to look. It's now in his signature line. Beth has said she and Rod met him in LA. They know him. He's hardly an unknown around here. It is possible what you're looking for is a part of the split off-thread from the PWNA thread, from which this thread was also split.

And if I'm not mistaken, they're not asphalt shingle, or barrel tile either, right?

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it. If I add a couple ounces of household bleach to my washload of colored clothes (say a red T-shirt), after a few washings like that, it will be faded quite a bit more than if it were not washed with bleach. I'm not arguing that chemicals may be SAFER at lower concentrations, that's pretty much common sense. Here you are again with this "They're stupid, I'm smart" attitude. I'm not the only one. When the majority of people you're addressing are confused as to your meaning, that ought to tell you something...You're the common denominator. Maybe take my advice and try to communicate a bit more clearly.

You've said a heck of a lot more than that. Yes, that's where this all started, but in the process you've managed (intentionally or not) to belittle quite a few of us, and create a lot of confusion.

"bleach" made for colored clothes is not "chlorine" bleach... Some fabrics are colorfast, and unaffected by bleach (meaning their coloring pigments are non-organic). Using even a couple ounces of bleach in a wash load of non-colorfast fabrics may not ruin them immediately, but will over time fade them much faster. The problem with using very low strengths of sodium hypochlorite on roofs is that it isn't strong enough to "eat up" the algae. It will kill it (unless you're using a REALLY low strength mix) but the roof will still be dirty. The options are to pressure wash it to remove the algae (not good) or to use a stronger mix that will both kill and destroy the algae and it's root system. Most of us prefer the latter, since we CAN take steps to dilute the wash mix after it has run off the roof, but we cannot take steps to restore damaged shinges due to using too much pressure. What's the difference if I use a very low strength mix directly on the roof, or if I spray it on stronger and then dilute it during the rinse process? Safe effect...diluted chlorine. Do you even clean roofs?

I know what you mean. I have a 1 year old, and I'm 39. I'll be in my late 50s/early 60s when he's in college. His mom will be 65 when he turns 18. But that's OK...He's ours, and we're his, and we love him more than anything. Just got home from paintball...I shouldn't be this tired and sore after 4 hours of running and shooting in the woods. Used to be I could do that stuff all day and then come home and look for something to do. Now I just want to lay down. LOL!! And despite all that, I agree...Life is GREAT!!!

Now THAT'S funny! Unless it is YOUR radiator or exhaust pipe that is leaking! :eek:

If that were true, there would be NO need for repentance. I can quote you quite a bit of scripture that contradicts this point of view if you like. The price has been paid, but we are still dead in sin.

You're right, God does want 100% total selfless dedication. He also understands our failings. Thank God for grace and mercy. Thank God that I can still "die daily". Thank God that He is still willing to work with me, push me, prompt me, lead me, and love me, despite my constant failings. If I'm speaking to a group of people and I say "I want you to reach the entire world", does that mean that I want every person in that group to individually travel to every nation, and reacy every person? Of course not...that's silly. It would make no sense, and it would not be nearly effective as a group of people working together to reach the world. Some go to India, some to China, some to other places, and some support that work. As I said before, which you have a way of ignoring, If EVERYONE went, there'd be no one to support the work. Most missionaries don't get paid by the host country, and most missionary works aren't self-supporting. If we ALL went, the entire effort would fail. Again, you can call that "interpreting", I just call it common sense.

No, you misunderstand what he's saying. We are BORN sinners. We are BORN lost. It isn't our failure to accept Christ that damns us...we're damned already. We're lost without God, separated from Him already. It is our failure to follow the way that He has made that KEEPS us damned.

Ron....maybe, just maybe, if you took the time to type out more clearly what you mean, and proofread it first, you wouldn't be misunderstood, and we wouldn't be confused. You type like a hyperactive foreign immigrant with little command of the english language...and I know you don't talk that way. Please answer the following questions to at least clarify some points for me... When you refer to neutralizing the roofs afterwards, was that after using sodium hypochlorite (bleach) or a sodium hydroxide based cleaner? When you refer to caustic, are you referring to bleach, or sodium hydroxide? I don't *think* you're trying to be arrogant or offensive, but that's how you're c oming across...kinda like "I know it ALL because I have TWENTY-FOUR YEARS of experience, and you? You're just STUPID" The vast majority of roofs in the US are asphalt/fiberglass shingles. When we talk about using too much pressure on a roof, we're talking for the most part about asphalt shingles. It doesn't take much pressure to remove the protective granules. I've seen many roofs that looked like they were still dirty afer I cleaned them, but it was actually the black asphalt/tar part of the shingle showing through where previous contractors had blasted the granules right off. Most of us don't use off the shelf store bought bleach (which is usually 5-6%, not 3%), we use liquid pool shock at 10.5-12%. Basically the same thing. We cut it down with water to the strength we need to get things clean.

Sorry, but that's just plain wrong, IF you're talking about barrel tile roofs. You've got quite a few here who do these roofs every day with bleach. Do you think they'd be in business long if they were removing the coloring of the roof???.

I think I see another thread split coming.

Yes, you really are coming off like a jerk. I realize you have a HECK of a lot of knowledge about pressure washing and running a business, but there's really no need for the sarcasm. You're not the only one who knows about chemicals and how they affect things, how they're affected, etc. Your comments lead one to believe you think you're the only one with this knowledge. I apologize for not clarifying what the problems were with using hydroxide on roofs...that issue has been discussed here and elsewhere so much that I just assume everyone knows the main arguements against it. I didn't attack Henry's method, since I don't even know what it is. I simply said that Hydroxide is NOT the way to clean a roof, and that I hope they're not teaching that in the class.

What "caustic" are you referring to?

Says WHO??? Granted, it is harmful to SOME environments...for example, you would want to dump a load of chlorine in a fish pond or lake, but what real harm is 15 gallons of 10.5% sodium hydroxide every 5 or more years going to do to the environment around the house I'm cleaning?

If I'm correct in interpreting your statement above, you're saying you use sodium hydroxide as a degreaser for concrete, but it will destroy petroleum products? My question is, what do you think the "asphalt" in "asphalt shingles" is made of? Petroleum products. That's why Scott and I both agree that using a degreaser such as sodium hydroxide on asphalt shingle roofs is a bad idea...for the same reason you wouldn't use it on asphalt.

The question was HOW do you know what you know?

It seems as though what you're saying is that EVERY SINGLE person who truly believes the Word of God should quit their jobs, sell everything, and go to another nation to preach. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that's what God meant. Even the apostles didn't all travel around preaching. You had some pastors, some missionaries, etc. If I leave here to go reach out to the lost in another country, who will reach those here who are lost? If every believer did that, who is left here? Are Christians from Africa supposed to come here to reach out? As far as not being cost effective, I'm required to be a good steward of what God gives me. Say I have $5k I can spend on outreach this year. Who is going to reach more people? A missionary who is already there, set up, who knows the language, the culture, the customs, or me? If I give that missionary my $5k, he is better equipped to reach many more people than I ever could in a week, or a month. It would take me that long just to get to the point where I could communicate even the most basic things in most countries. You seem to think that my way of thinking is just justifying my own unwillingness to go...that's so far from the truth you can't even imagine. I'd go in a heartbeat, if He sent me. Maybe He will one day. For now, my place in His work is here, helping to reach those here, and to support the efforts to reach those elsewhere. If every believer sold everything and went to reach the lost in other countries, who will support that work? Most missionary works don't support themselves, especially in dirt poor third world nations. Who is going to buy food, vehicles, literature, equipment, or whatever else the missionaries need, if we're ALL missionaries?? The bottom line is that scripture is clear, not all are called to one ministry...Some ARE called to be missionaries. Some are called to be teachers...preachers...pastors...teachers...prophets...evangelists... If you think that's just me justifying my own unwillingness or lack of caring for others, so be it. You simply don't understand where I'm coming from. As far as my lack of complete and total obedience to His word meaning I don't truly beleive it, that's just hogwash. It simply means that I am not willing to be obedient to what I KNOW I should do. You say people you meet are inherently good...That's simply not true. We are ALL inherently evil. We are ALL born with a carnal sin nature that HATES the things of God. We are in a constant battle between the Spirit and the flesh...and all to often we give in to the will of the flesh. THAT'S why many of us buy a TV or a dress or a vacation when we could use that money or time to do His work. You HAVE given me quite a bit to think about as far as my level of sacrifice for His Kingdom. You're right, I don't need a big TV or a vacation, when there are things I could be doing that would further His work. For that, I thank you.

Not directly I can't, not realistically. Doing so would mean abandoning my family to fend for themselves, and certainly wouldn't be cost effective. What I CAN do is support those who ARE called to go to that one lone aboriginal on a tiny island who has never heard. Do I support them as much as I should, or could? Nope. And again, the failing is in ME, not in His word, or in my belief in His word. It is because I am too selfish to sacrifice as much as I know I should. With God's help, I will continue to fight against the carnal, God-hating nature within me and do better to follow Him as He would have me do.

Yes, they are wrong. Jews aren't so much wrong as much as they missed the boat when the messiah came. They're still pressurewashing using pressure and no chems. :)

No, Sodium Hydroxide and Sodium Hypochlorite are not the same.

I can't save one person from hell. I can't even save myself. Again, my failing doesn't mean I don't believe what it says, it simply means I'm a weak, selfish, stubborn, stupid person who struggles all too often with things I should have overcome years ago. It means that despite knowing what I OUGHT to do, I DON'T do it...not because I don't believe I should, but because that sinful, flesh man I struggle with every day doesn't WANT to do it. My flesh HATES God...it hates the things of God...it coudn't care LESS about 34k lost souls...it wants some chips and some TV and a nap. The flesh is ENMITY with God. And my flesh is far stronger than it should be after the years I've spent walking with Him...I'm not what I should be, and that is a reproach to His name.

I get what you're saying, but I don't agree completely. I believe God works through doctors, as well as through miraculous healings. The bible tells us to take those who are sick to the elders of the church and to pray the prayer of faith. I do that. Paul also tells us to drink a bit of wine for our stomach's sake, and our often infirmities. I do that also. There is also a huge difference between saying "I don't believe God will heal me...I don't accept that part of the bible" and saying "God, I hope you heal me, but I'm a bit shaky in my faith". Actually, every day is the sabbath. Under the OT law, the sabbath was on Saturday, and was set aside for going to the temple, making sacrifices, etc. Under the NT dispensation of grace, I am the temple...and I am to worship him daily. What day we attend a gathering of fellow beleivers is strictly tradition. God doesn't care what day we attend church services, since our Christian walk isn't supposed to be limited to a couple hours on Sunday, and maybe a mid-week service. We are to be communing with Him in the Holy of Holies in the temple daily...So yes, in answer to your question, I have spend a good bit more than 20 minutes thinking about it, and debating and discussing it with many people over the years. And no, I have never missed a church service on a Superbowl Sunday. When Jesus said "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations" he wasn't expecting every believer to wander the entire earth reaching out to every nation. That'd be kinda silly. As far as missions, I give quite a bit to support those who ARE called to go. Me spending a few grand to fly somewhere to make myself feel better about doing something is much less productive than me giving a few grand to a missionary to already knows his mission field, who is already established, etc. As far as living in luxury while missionaries and churches struggle, you're right. I don't live a life of luxury, but I could live a little more meagerly, and give more to the furthering of the Kingdom...and that is something God has been dealing with me about. One thing you should realize is that just because I believe His word to be true doesn't mean I follow it to perfection. The failing isn't in the Word, it is in me. I KNOW what I should do, but I don't do it as much as I should. As Paul said... "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. {19} For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. {20} Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." (Rom 7:18-20 KJV) How do you know so much about Him? Oh, that bible thing. I guess those are the parts you figure weren't parables? Again, the failing is in me, not the Word. You're correct in everything you've pointed out here, as far as what Christians ought to be doing (and myself included, certainly). I'm certainly not going to say that God didn't REALLY mean what He said, just because I'm weak, immature in my faith, stubborn, or whatever. No, I'm NOT perfect, far from it... There is nothing in the accounts of genesis to indicate that they're anything other than true accounts of how things really happened. When you start picking things out that you either don't like, or that disagree with your preconceptions of how they really happened, then things just fall apart. Why do we need a savior? Because of sin. Why are we sinful? Adam disobeyed God, and that sin nature has been passed down to every descendant. Whoops, there IS no adam...we all evolved. So where'd my sin come from? Did it evolve too?