John T

I was thinking about all the PO's who sacrificed their lives here saving others during the 9-11 attacks and some other positive stories but your response above Alexy is right on.

Looks like the PWNA Convention was a big time success. It sounds like there's alot of excitement for next years event as well. As for Dan Galvin, I remember meeting him at an ACR Roundtable. He was a new PWNA member when I served on their board and you just knew Dan was special. He ended up becoming an excellent PWNA president who's business paralleled his PWNA successes.

Thanks Beth. My daughter got released today at noon and the doctors said she can go to dance today as well which is what she did. She had a 2pm Master class with a "dancing with the stars" choreographer which is all she talked about all week and she made it there and dance her tail off(She's a huge fan of the movie Billy Elliott.)My daughter has a health issue to deal with now for a few yrs(hopefully not a lifetime) but she is extremely determined to overcome.... I love my little girl so much and I can't put into words of how proud I am of her not to let this stop her..

Today was a good day so I broke out my secret Stash of Louis X111 and was sipping it in my office(Benefits of having a home office) While checking out some of the bb's. TGS has always been a classy and professional Powerwashing bulletin board so here's to Beth and Rod for helping my business benefit because of all the years of coming to TGS and learning and sharing with all of you guys:) For you other guys and gals how did coming here to TGS help with your business?

Guy-I never reported incorrect anything on the net. There is no hypothetical anything. My integrity is intact as I know Beth's is here as well. You feel the need to vindicate yourself then do it on that "other" bb. TGS is and has always been a top notch professional Industry bulletin board since the day it started in 03. On a more important note to me is my baby girl collapsed in school today and was just transported from one hospital to a specialist hospital which is where I am now @1 am so none of this no longer matters to me. Have fun with your class at NOVA.

Not afraid of whatever ur suggesting Guy. U got questions or allegations feel free to call me. Besides that im not an advocate to releasing private messages anywhere..... but.... 4 u if it makes u feel better do whatever u feel the need to do but not here on TGS--- That is all I ask.

All of it because your taking everything out of context. Threatening me with your going to show people private text, emails or maybe your even going to say you recorded our private conversations, will never work. If your so inclined to stoop to that classless level then just do it...or shut up already!

Once again Guy since you still can't recall you moderated the drama bb for a year or even was a mod there, you weren't involved in the Vegas event but your just parroting the words of your bosses in your org and you still say you don't know what your enviro boss is going to do in MD where he doesnt belong shows pretty much once again.......your clueless. We already know it's your org sponsored event. My guess is your boss will probably MC as well. What your Enviro boss is doing there is an easy one. He's going to promote equipment In his enviro speech and he's going to try and sell to the people in the crowd your org's potential BMP's. Your MD bod boss is going to try and recruit members and probably like last year count everyone that walks thru the door as "Free" org members so they can mislead once again about their true membership(#1 reason I'm not going so you can't use my name or company falsely to count us as a member). So what we have here Guy: #1 You obviousy don't know about the Vegas event so you just Parrot your leaders deflammatory remarks. #2 You admitted you have no idea what your enviro boss is going to talk about which probably means you can't remember. #3 You still can't recal that you moderated the drama bb for a year with your stance of you didn't even know your were a mod yet you were always in the back rooms crying up a storm about one thing or another. Your hurting your org once again because you just can't seem to help yourself to not respond because all your doing is inflaming others such as myself. You were told by your bosses before you resigned to stop doing this because you help know one when you play cop on the net. Stick to what you know and stop parroting things you know nothing about.

Try again with the Picture

Then what if it is an org event? Do they have the right to link you to it? Rob would post here but he's taking care of some business that needs to be taken care of but basically what happened to Rob Last year was that he was told by Billy Booze that all attendees are now considered org members. This pissed a few guys off as you can imagined. Then the hammer was dropped on Rob. They asked him to speek to the crowd because a certain no show didn't make it so Rob did this to help out Jay. For the next bunch of weeks maybe even months the president of that org told anyone who would listened that Rob spoke for him since he couldn't make it. He said Rob represented him. If that isn't underhanded then I don't know what is.Lastly this event is being ran by the pres. who's flying in his crew to speak about Enviro in Robs home state(they accused us of dong this in the enviro's home state) and there's org. stuff everywhere. Billy Booze a BOD is there to recruit. If this isn't an org event then how do they explain their President running the show, his enviro guy preaching his beliefs and his main BOD guy recruiting members there? It sure looks like an org show and if they would just be honest about it then all is OK and people will know exactly what their getting themselves into. Just be aware Beth when your name gets linked in thru their org by their President afterwords you can't say you weren't told so. If you don't believe this then all you have to do is call Rob and let him tell you how wrong it was for them to say he's now a "free" org member that counts on there org total list and also how their Pres. not only posted that rob represented him but how he text many people just that.

I thought about that to Beth until I was told by a mutual friend that whoever appears there will be counted as a "free" member to that org. They will use your name as part of there membership totals. Since I do not want any affiliations with them free or otherwise at this time with their current leadership in place its not worth it for me to take that risk. If you have any questions about this you may want to call Billy Booze to get some clarification. Besides the above it looks like Jay is putting together a good event.

Guy stop it already!! You clearly hijacked this thread and now your threatening to show my private text. Frankly I don't care what you do with my private text. To me there private, to you it's everyone else's business which someone obviously taught you that and it's wrong. Just keep that nonsense off of here and take your threats to where they belong on that drama bb. PWRA bb doesn't allow that either so at least respect the owners of these sites wishes. As for who's right and who's wrong about the Vegas event you weren't apart of that either except for being a parrot to the ones who are telling you tall tales. You have issues about it then take it up with me via phone call, text, email, YouTube or whatever floats your boat but not on these sites. Thank you for your cooperation.

Thanks Beth. For any people who have it in their heart to volunteer for any industry org's and to be potentially a BOD one day, all you have to look at is the way Beth responds to post here. She's smart, level headed and always post with the intention to give out excellent advice everytime. It's reasons like this that Beth became an executive PWNA Bod who would've been most likely the first industry President if she wasn't over inundated back then running multiple businesses such as her contractor business,selling industry products and running the most professional industry bulletin board all these years.... Oh and let's not leave out her raising a family to. As it stands, Beth may have been the highest ranked female BOD in the Powerwashing Industry when she attained the position of the PWNA Secretary. At that time the PWNA had around 400 real memberships which to this day still is their peek.

Guy respect this bb and stop hijacking threads which you did here on this eClean thread. There's nothing to read between the lines here.

Thanks Adrian. This thread was just about the events in eClean mag. Speaking of that magazine Allison has some cool stories coming up In near future. I think she posted somewhere maybe even here on TGS that http://www.ecleanmag.com/ had its largest subscription(might be wrong use of the word) to date. Go Allison:)

You feel the need to post private text it will only ruin your credibility that will put you in the class of others posting private text. Guy if You feel the need to post private text it will only ruin your credibility that will put you in the class of others who post private text. Your decision. They accuse others of doing exactly what they are doing themselves which I'm sure you see that and in our case we weren't even promoting any equipment in our EPA discussion. Have to say I'm still glad you resigned your position there because who can blame you, I wouldn't want them to represent me anytime either.

Yes Exactly!! So many people will not donate to charities because of horror stories like this. It's the damn shame of it all because the ones in need get screwed here that's why personally I don't care why people donate and what their reasons are as long as the ones in need get something. Because of these ripoff stories I now check on any charity we may donate to. I've been burned in the past on certain charities. One of the bigger scams for years was the Girl Scout cookies. My girls sold tons of cookies when they were in the scouts and when the story broke here about how much actually goes back to them...was a scam that prayed on these little kids.

Hey Rob I just read their flyer and it looks good. The only question concerns Tony S? Since he went ballistic that we did an event in Vegas which happens to be where he lives and from there he sent out a very bazaar 430 page rambling manuscript to many as to us coming into "his area" like he owns Vegas-- This is my question. What the heck is he doing in your home state discussing Enviro anything? His only contribution to your area(personally I wouldn't be happy about this in my state which is probably why they don't have NY on there hit list) was to call the EPA in your area to discuss contactors in your state who post on the net. So since Tony said (totally bizaar) that we had no right to talk in Vegas with other contractors about how to deal with the EPA, since this is his bazaar thought pattern than why is it OK for him plus his orgs blessing to go to your home state of MD to discuss issues that he is clueless on since MD is not Vegas?

Chris show the pics here if you can. You never know, someone here could direct others to take a look at the pics if you post them.

I think in many aspects Guy where similar---- and I'll take you up on that beer offer:)

The 5 hr drive aside, I would look to hear what Guy has to say since he does have a ton of knowledge on many aspects within this Industry. Could definitely learn some things from him. The personal concern I have is if I'm going to get thrown under the bus by the usual few who will email another 430 page manuscript saying this time I was in cahoots with this org so they can sign up people. The manuscript that was sent out after the Vegas Parking garage event we did was crazy. Guy if I don't go to this event will definitely hook up somewhere such as maybe a PWRA Convention or something of that nature we both believe in and don't have to read between any lines with all this.....stuff.

Personally I don't care as to why people donate. Some may be doing it to impress their girlfriends, some maybe doing it because their self esteem may be low or some may just do charity work because they have a "Giving heart". It's the ones who are on the recieving end of the charitable work that matters. There is one thing that burns me up when it comes to charitable work. It's when you find out a certain charity raises money for a cause so you donate to that cause and then years later you find out that just about all the money that anyone ever donated pretty much went to pay for these conniving sneaks salary. There's tons of stories about these corrupted charities which because of what they do they damage the field where some rock solid charity groups are in.

Guy -I re-read the above a couple of times and it got me thinking that you would probably be the best person to answer this. When someone advertises "Free free free" in there way of promoting an event all the time.... What's the catch? Wants going in between those lines? If we go to an event like that are they really just trying to sell us something? Personally I am always Leary when someone says something is "Free free free". I'm sure you can understand that. It almost like saying "Call our company and we'll give you a free, yes that's right a free house wash"-- that says that there going to upsell everything to you & with that your going to get a free house wash. Just like the guys who sell $99 house washes. So what's the deal?

I may go anyway. I'll just skip the org sales pitch since I already rode that train in the past and had fun and since moved on. No biggie. Just not sure about the 5hr drive.

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