John T

The problem with this is what's the right thing and what's the classless thing to do. You would Post your kids private text to you all over the net where most other people consider texting to be like a phone call. Wasn't it you who got to listen to a boat load of Rons private phone calls with others and then you came here to tell everyone? Yes you and you know exactly what I'm talking about. You want to be civil Tony then there's a two way street. If you want to do what you do on a different bb where you take pics of other people's place of employment and post those pics on the net to criticize them.. You'll find your way right back to where you came from. As for the Vegas Event that's past now. What's done is done. This wasn't about you and Ron. That's some type of Ego thing that you two need to work out. But just be very well aware since Your now involved with an organization.. If you or Ron try to throw others under the bus like you both tried to do in the past then you will keep seeing most people in the Industry reacting the way they are right in this thread probably everywhere and anywhere on the net. You won't fool most business people part timers or not.. Where all far from Stupid. Also since your already alienating part timers to full timers maybe you should think that some guys do the two jobs,because like you, they have to bring in enough money to take care of their families and children especially and I for one will never treat them like they don't belong here or anywhere in this Industry. Since this is apparently the stand you people in position at the ***** now appear to have---- well shame on you guys!!!!

NOTE TO ALL: THE ***** PRESIDENT IS NOW POSTING PRIVATE TEXT MESSAGES ON HIS BB!! A TRUE INDUSTRY LEADER doing what he does best.

Ok Huckleberry(your words) since Rob told Your Boss that Robert founded the ***** and thats it why does your boss now put Rob Huffman in as a Cofounder? How about your Boss putting down partime Powerwashers right here on TGS then defies what his fellow BOD's put out here that the policy of your org is for the Board to not endorse or promote private schools? Hey since your here what's the story about you and your boss yacking all over the place how your going to do a Vegas Event the same day we have one planned and now your dropping a RT right between 2 major Industry one? What's the purpose of that? So the goal is to get the ***** BODS selling schools and Certs to the Free ***** members? You guys are kidding no one. Can't wait to hear your explanations why you two tried to sabotage other hard working contractor events and trying to back stab a few of us such as what Ron did to Rob who point blank told him he's not or ever was a cofounder of the UA*MC just to cause Drama. Go ahead Huckleberry(your words) let's see how your going to duck around this one. 2300+ viewers will be reading your responses..

Rob expect to hear stuff like this to cover up what the head of the ***** does. Let's see Guy says it was a joke. First I get locked out and then The ***** president directs his followers to go to a Nuthouse link to find out about the Vegas Event. Then he precedes to tell everyone in there how him and Tony and a few others are going to do there own Vegas parking garage event. Then he finally plans a NJ RT Right between to major Industry events all because we wouldn't let him and his crew come in for free when everyone else is paying.. How bad of a cover up is that.. "Yea errrrrrr this is the ***** Exec. BOD and where sorry Industry contractors because of these Jokes my ***** boss likes to do to hard working contractors." Joke.... Right... What a Joke there working under. Let him prove otherwise..... Problem is he can't.

Rob expect to hear plenty of these type stories to help deflect what the ***** President is doing to hook up his hand picked to run VP of the *****. What Guy is really saying there is he's disgusted by what's going on but he won't give you the real answer as to whats happening there.. Guy knows its flat out wrong to endorse a buddies school the way the "Bossman" is especially right after the other ***** BODS are right here saying the ***** Board doesn't do that or condone that behavior.

Rob at least we finally have Guy saying he doesn't agree with what the ***** president said about you. This will be one of many times to expect the ***** BODS to Begin to get upset with what the "Bossman" says about other contractors. The U Pres. is purposely calling you a cofounder of the ***** because he knew here when he was on TGS that you wanted no part of taking away something that Robert created.

Hey Barry this is the *****'s PR at their finest.

Look up affidavit and look who your boss was requesting them from. You'll start seeing the disrespectful things he's doing already but you already know this Guy as we all know you do. You can't defend bad behavior no matter how hard you try. Suggestion to you is to Post about your shooter tips and stay away from org. Post because you can't seem to help yourself in trying to defend your presidents bad behavior tactics.. Oh by the way Mental Illness is no joke.. I should know. I've taken many people there over the years including some children who's parents hearts were broken because there kid had to go. So where do you stand now with your Presidents joke?? That's right.. Go ahead and defend it. It's what you do.. Trying to defend bad behavior..

Right back at you Chris. You guys are allowing your ***** boss and his Enviro Co- chair Tony S. to tear others down, to Post pics of other people's place of employment and to criticize them, to crack mental illness jokes on an event that's coming up and on and on and on. You want to take a stand how it's OK for your boss over at the ***** to do this to others by looking the other away and then talk about all the hard work you BOD's are doing?? Well put this on your lost..Reign your President in before he starts pissing off the whole Industry if he hasn't done it already.

You'll probably find out soon enough the way you guys are treating others.

Excellent Post once again Matt. This last part above for them is golden. When Guy gets up in 3-4hrs from now he's most likely just going to come right back in here trying to defend himself and his President. This keeps up where going to watch history repeat itself probably alot sooner then expected. Like you said with only 10-12 Post here in that "testimonial bread" thread on probably the busiest Industry bulletin board says volumes. It looks like most people see right thru what there president is doing on a bunch of things and they just don't like it. No one likes to see other contractors trying to do something positive and an Industry President tries to bring in "Mental Illness" into the picture. For one thing some people may have a love one with mental illness in there family somewhere and for him to just crack remarks along those lines to try once again to derail another positive thing in this Industry these BOD's are probably starting to get fed up with his antics. This keeps up it's just a matter of time for there ship to start sinking. He's probably already alienating his BOD's already by shoving down their throats how his VP has the best personal Industry school in the whole country when some of his BOD's probably teach themselves such as maybe Billy Booze with Roof Cleaning. There time clock is ticking already. Let's wait and see who's going to speed that clock up. I'll be back on later to see which ***** BOD is going to take some more shots at hard working contractors.

Yea sure Doug wasn't handpicked by Ron to be the ***** VP and then he got voted in. Right. That's believable- big time NOT! I could care less about your Certs but I do care if your misleading contractors in there. You mean Rons a Joke and we all know it... Well then that I can agree on because I already know why he purposely planned the NJ RT as you do and you also know that he was telling many that he was going to do Vegas event first the same time were doing ours.. So that is no longer a Joke now is it? Of course not. The only thing that any of this has to do with TGS is if any of you are caught lying here just to further your cause. Also as in your case calling TGS members names such as little man to one of then recently to incite them over something that you did that was so off the charts wrong... Well maybe you shouldn't have called this guy out over here. Did you think about that one.. Of course not. Once again try practicing what you and your guys are trying to preach now. You want respect then earn it. If not then expect a long term as a ***** BOD that will have nothing to look forward to but misery... And like Matt Johnson so eloquently stated you guys better turn the tables soon or History will repeat itself because it always does when the same mistakes are forever being done over and over.... And I think you know that by now. On that note Goodnight

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Your skirting the answers because you can't answer them or your boss won't allow you to. Those two above mention couldn't hurt my feelings no matter how many times you tell yourself that. So what's your story Guy do you support your ***** president and his Enviro Guy Tony to attack others? How about your ***** President handpicking the ***** VP and posting multiple threads now endorsing him on the net? Where's the transparency? How about when he attacked the Vegas event with that nut house link. Do you support your leader in doing stuff like that? Well do you?

It doesn't have to. I'm addressing your points that your expecting others to follow in this thread. First off where do you see a double standard? You guys posted last week that the ***** BOD's are not endorsing or promoting private companies. That's the words of your fellow BOD's which has nothing to do with Michael so there is no double standard. Those are your rules and you guys aren't following them. So what about the attacks your president is doing to others? How about your Environmental Chairmen or Co-Chair or what ever Enviro position Tony now has within the *****. Isn't it very obvious he is publicly attacking quite a few individuals that some do and some don't belong to other org's? What about your statement above to Matt that says will we ever have a national org? What do you think the PWNA is? What goes around comes around. All the above is pretty disrespectful don't you think?

Once again are you guys following the advice your giving Guy? Isn't one of the ***** Listed Environmental guys Tony ************** attacking Robert at every turn and putting up pictures of his sons company and then ripping it on a bb where he represents the *****? Isn't the ***** president tonight promoting his handpicked VP's school thru a videotape we can all see on YouTube which apparently is against the ***** rules and he's all along trying to purposely interfere with other contractors who are holding events in the near future? Isn't the PWNA a national org? Practice what you preach brother or it will come back to haunt you every time like it's happening to Ron now.

That's all good Guy but let's see if you guys practice what your preach. So far the ***** president hasn't and unfortunately for you he represents what you stand for because he's your President who to us "Outsiders" he wants respect from us then he has to earn it. He can start by taking down that mental institution link he has up on *** where he's telling people to contact the nut house to get info on the Vegas Event coming up. The guess is he won't do it so don't expect because of actions like that for many people to give him even a drop of respect. Zip Zero.

Members have to be treated equally. To have 1 contractor ***** free member vs. 1 contractor who has a donor membership and BOTH are considered ***** members yet 1 can't vote(free member) to 1 can vote(donor member) this appears to be a huge red flag. Contractors should be treated equally as members of there all being called members. My concerns here would be 2 things.-- #1 now is my business. Is this worth me joining?? #2(past union life still has me thinking like this) is this a fair system for contractors? Is it when 1 can vote and 1 can't?

.This Part Chris is no good. I have a gut feeling in a non profit you can't count this as membership. Non profits get tax breaks for a reason. Memberships are usually broken down on who can vote and who cant by the bylaws. That usually works with BODS as the only ones who can Vote or your membership at large. You guys decided to count active bulletin board members as members of a national non profit org when you also have paying members something is not right. Calling the Paying members as Donor members so you can count "Free" members in with them... Something seems amiss. Donor membership in itself to give "free" members now the right to vote sounds like your in a collision course with corruption. What are you going to do with a "money man" who comes in down the road who wants to donate more money for his membership? Are you going to give him the ability to have more voting powers(corruption)? What's the main reason you guys are counting "free" membership in with "Donor" members? Who's the brain who came up with this within a non profit? These are tough questions but don't forget the majority of us here are business owners and some of us(very few) understand a little bit more with non profits and IRS breaks. So please explain why free membership counts as ***** members in a national non profit?

I just read that *** link you put up. Nick the cleaner I know pretty well. He took me out to dinner when he came into my town last summer. Good guy. Chris Tucker is a legendary roof cleaner probably second to know one. I've been reading his threads since the late 90's. He's like the Jim gamble of roofs whereas Jim Gamble always and forever wants to talk Garage cleaning and Chris Tucker is roof roof and roofs. Chris seems to be pretty supportive of Billy Booze in that link. So that's a plus. Joe Crowder on the other hand talks about liability in there and once again I think most people will have that thought when it comes to Certifications. So it's like a nowhere thread. Points brought up but nothing solved. Interesting read though.

You know Barry I can't defend that. Once again I can see that what you posted here is going to be most likely what most other contractors see as well. Using your example above this is where I can see the ***** Certs coming back to possibly bite them in the azz. There not showing anywhere that their org is bonded. This can haunt them especially the BODS who's names are going to be passed around as helping write there Certs. It just takes one guy to do what your saying above and he now gets sued and he says this is what he was taught with his ***** certification. Now he may be inclined to sue as well... And guess what?? The ***** BOD's are not bonded as in they have no insurance. This is minor but it could very well happen. The bigger picture here is what qualifications do these BODS have that made it OK for them to be the issuer of these Certifications? This is where I think most have a problem with. I can see possibly getting outside Agencies to recognize maybe Environmental Certs(very slim) and the bigger one which as far as I know neither of the 2 main orgs in discussion here is a Safety Certification. I can see possibly a better chance of an outside agency such as OSHA recognizing these standardized test(slim). It's an uphill battle either way. As for me I get the certifications that I think can help me and I market them. Is that the only benny I get from them? I say no because I do learn a little. The PWNA Enviro Class and Certification only cost be about $90 maybe less. So it's not like it cost me a ton either. But your points are valid.

Exactly.

There's a clear cut answer here Kris. If you ask me how many PWNA members there are it's an easy answer. As of 1/8/13 there are 213 members. Why we can't get that answer from the ***** is baffling. No one is asking about ***** bb members, ***** mailing list members,***** non donating members, ***** member that are married... Etc etc etc. If you want to know if something is worth your small investment it starts with membership and how many are there. Simple question that should have a simple answer.. Still waiting for that now going on 3 weeks.

Ok what some of the coolest names you heard of in the Powerwashing Industry. I have two off the bat.. 1-Billy Booze ***** BOD There's an unforgettable name 2- Josh Minx PWC bb Supermod-- love to see this guy become a PWNA BOD-- K- what other names do we have that are "Unforgettable" in name only. :cool-new:

What's in a name:) Time for another thread of great names in this Industry... Still waiting though for Chris Apple to give the straight ahead answer about membership.