Guy B

You know Rob all that BS is "Your" problem not "My" problem, I got enough of my own. Your continued adolescent posts implying that Ron is "my" boss or now he is "my" leader is somehow suppose to bait me into a conflict is laughable because neither is anywhere near the truth and yet you still continue your BS. If that is somehow making you feel better about yourself....have at it, more power to ya there chief. This event is being put together by Jay at Fullblast & Bill at AccuWash (Both Local Contractors) and from what I understand this is their 4th year of doing so. Really not sure what kind of problem you have with that, but you should probably take it up with them. Since they're going to be in "Your Area" serve papers on them for harassment or go kick their a$$, either way I really don't give a flying fig. Your continued taunts and baiting gain no sympathy, favor or belief from me. Have a good one.

Thanks John but I don't think I have a "Ton Of Knowledge" I have picked up bits & pieces from people on the boards and events that we have attended and put the in a format that people get, you know...makes the light bulb go off. I am not a professional speaker and am in no way the biggest, badest, smartest, or the highest grosser in the bunch. I am a hard working slob that still jumps behind the wheel, grabs a wand and will work my butt off to make our business a success. I'm just not going to comment on the other stuff. I'll buy you a beer when we do hook up.

Rob why are you getting off track in this thread? It has nothing to do with Membership, free our other wise. Different levels of Membership are used universally in businesses or organizations so why keep beating that dead horse? How "is" it misleading? How is it "not" professional? To my knowledge there have been 0 complaints about that except from people that are Non-Members and people that have personal issues with the leadership....I mean I get it, but it's not an issue unless "You" want it to be..... and if that's the case then it's just not an issue. As far as attendance goes, these are 1 day events that are targeting (for the most part) local area contractors and aren't being super marketed, again I don't see an issue with that. I'll be at the event North of Baltimore Dec 7, I know you won't attend but if that's close to you lets grab dinner somewhere else and chew the fat.

Truely John, I have no idea. To my knowledge this is not an Org. event and never has been. Maybe the Org. bought a sponsership, beats me. There have been seveal of these free events lately, I haven't seen or heard anything negitive about any of them. Guess I'll find out when I get there.

I don't see why you wouldn't be able to come Rob. It's free & open to everyone.....No committees to accept or reject you in any way.....It's a hobby of mine to read between the lines, but I wasn't trying to negitve in any way....just an observation. Sometimes meanings are blurred on the net. I hope you and John will come....I'd like to finally meet you guys.

Interesting Choice Of Words John, some could draw the impression that if an event is not listed.......it's not worth attending......which I'm sure is not the case. There's gonna one North of Bailtimore in Dec. I'm going to but I don't see it listed...I think it will be worth it.

I would have, but had to put the van in the shop and deal with that, it just gets better....Lol!

Rained out in Maryland today 350 miles from home, oh well could be worse I guess.

Otis Redding, Al Green, Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry, (Early) James Taylor........Not Really embarrassed to say, just shows my age.

Very Kleen & Professional..........Great Job Jamesm & Beth!!!

That was my weak attempt at being "PC".....I'm right with you on that also!

I'm right with you on that Alexy! I was really going to try and cut loose from the wand this year but a "Labor Shortage" prevented that....for the most part. I don't mind it, matter of fact I like going out and washing by myself, kinda peaceful. But I don't work as much or as hard as I did a few years ago.....That's For Sure.

John, the $95 one you're talking about is not a rip off (per say) I don't much like the hassle with it but it will weed out the ones without proper insurance, plus they pay you after the job is complete, not 30-60-90 days couple of weeks in most cases, if its the company I'm thinking about. Unless there's a large amount of work, I'm not paying $300 for a couple of box stores......I don't blame you.

Just to be clear, I'm not knocking LEO's...my Father was an MP & Deputy Sheriff, my point being is that there are more bad guys than LEO's out there. My point is citizens have the right to defend themselves and Government cannot restrict or impede that right, but do their best every chance they get. Case in point, Mr.Holder says the Government "still" has the case open in the GZ-TM case. This after a jury found GZ not guilty of any crime. The Man defended himself "Case Closed". But no, the Government is still investigating this matter. The Government is even looking into if Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law is even "Legal".

You might want to check that Jeremy. No in D.C. you can have a gun in your home (Restrictions), doubt they have Carry Conceal. Chicago's long time ban was lifted in 2010 by the Supreme Court and they just passed a bill for CC there. Congress is not talking "Openly/Public" about taking guns from citizens, again....They're chipping away at it little by little. I do agree with the rest of your post. For the sake of argument let's just say our right to defend ourselves, Family, Friends, & others was to be taken away, who would be responsible for our safety? Who would protect us from those that would harm us? The Police? Think again........lhttps://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html

It's just as prevalent today as it was 200+ years ago Rod, come on Man. To say otherwise is to say the Constitution is not prevalent today, or the Bill Of Rights is not prevalent today. I don't disagree with you that no one is "talking" about taking guns away. They would all be thrown out of office in a New York Minute. And you know as well as I do.... they would if they could. Like I said.....They're chipping away at it little by little.

Where is the data that supports the numbers Beth? Somebody throws poll numbers out and you just blindly accept them? Poll numbers are the certified "Pulse" of the people not to be questioned? Well there's a "Bat Baby Extraterrestrial" in New Mexico because the National Enquirer said so, right? To blindly follow unverifiable (data) numbers and to form opinions from raw emotion while ignoring the facts....is Ignorance.

I do to Beth. Complete bull crap. Poll numbers mean nothing without demographic information. I can go to town and get poll numbers all day long that can switch that completely around. This is just more of the Media churrning turmoil and whipping up "Racial Tension"....Shame On Them! Oh yea...look what that SOB Zimmerman is up to now. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2374033/EXCLUSIVE-The-family-George-Zimmerman-rescued-horrific-car-wreck-Florida-highway-week--mile-shot-Trayvon-Martin-dead.html

I disagree, and if it were me I wouldn't. What has GZ got to apologize for? Defending himself? In some cases saying you're "Sorry" means you have taken personal responsibility for a situation and can be an admission of guilt. Again GZ will have to hide in fear for the rest of his life because he defended himself......If anyone is owed an apology.....It's him.

I didn't know if you were one of the people that have been made to feel Guilty because of "Reverse Racism" Rick, I'm glad that you haven't fallen for that like so many. I can't speak as to having a "Leg Up" because of race, I don't think I had special treatment or ever had an advantage because of my race and have had to work for what little I have, just like most people regardless of race. I find the mindset of blaming the past or ones race as an excuse for the lack of progress and self responsibility in ones life. I feel that people who do this have "Enslaved" themselves to past events that can never be changed and hang the "Millstone" of this guilt around the necks of as many people as possible, as many times as they can, for as long as they can, because they or society feel they're allowed to. Most of my Black Friends don't subscribe to this mindset and are proud for what they have accomplished & Built, they take responsibility for their lives & destiny. I hope that if I were a Black person that I would have the good sense enough to know when my race was being used for "Racial Tension Fodder", most I know are fully aware of this.

Allison you've got to have a Major in journalism...because no one can say so much with so few words and come directly to the point of a subject as you.....Well Said Young Lady! I guess at some point in our History this too shall also pass....but I hope no one will apologize for it....I hope they learn from it.

I'm sorry Rick I don't accept that answer/excuse and I'll tell you why........You, Me, or anyone else we may know had anything to do with that ugly part of American History. Why is the guilt of this placed on the heads of people that had no part of it? So If a Black person shoots or kills a White person (or other race), there is no outrage or denouncing of this from the Black community because of something that me, you or anyone else I know (for as long as I can remember) had anything to do with? So this is why White people or other races can't march and holler "No Justice No Peace" and "Racism" when their race is shot or killed? Now that sounds like Racism. So Whites are considered racist because of "History"? What are Latino people considered, Illegal? Islamic People Terrorists? German people, mass murders? History doesn't define a race, it teaches (Most Of) us how to grow better as the "Human Race". If you or others wish to feel guilty or apologize for a "Legacy" or "History" of racism, you go right ahead, I will not because I had nothing to do with it, nor do/did know anyone that was part of it. My last name is "Blackmon" I remember "Racism" (if that's what you want to call it) as a kid in school from Black & White children. No Rick, what we have today is "Reverse Racism" and people that cling to the excuse of History because they refuse to accept the truth and/or responsibility for a situation. I have never let my race define who I am as a person, so no I don't feel like I hit the lottery by being a certain race. For the record and because of my Family lineage, I consider myself more Native American than "Caucasian" but that's a whole other rant.

Sorry Rod it don't wash (Again Friendly Debate) that's not regurgitated N.R.A. hype that was written by the people that founded this Country. Like to read more? Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.” (Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment [ I Annals of Congress at 750 {August 17, 1789}]) - See more at: http://1389blog.com/2012/12/31/americas-founders-on-the-right-to-keep-and-bear-arms/#sthash.BwUbRQ69.dpuf"To disarm the people-that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them" George Mason" Alexander Hamilton: "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."“…to disarm the people – that was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380) - See more at: http://1389blog.com/2012/12/31/americas-founders-on-the-right-to-keep-and-bear-arms/#sthash.BwUbRQ69.dpuf Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.” (Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment [ I Annals of Congress at 750 {August 17, 1789}]) - See more at: http://1389blog.com/2012/12/31/americas-founders-on-the-right-to-keep-and-bear-arms/#sthash.BwUbRQ69.dpuf Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.” (Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment [ I Annals of Congress at 750 {August 17, 1789}]) - See more at: http://1389blog.com/2012/12/31/americas-founders-on-the-right-to-keep-and-bear-arms/#sthash.BwUbRQ69.dpuf Richard Henry Lee: "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." Samuel Adams: "The Constitution shall never be construed . . . to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." "What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789 Sure Congress would never do anything like that would they Rod? They said they weren't looking into or storing our emails, right? Phone conversations, right? Mr. Holder took (what weeks?) to answer the question "Will the US use Drones against American Citizens" What do you think the Division of Home Land Security has been "Morphed" into? Congress (when given an inch) would never take a mile, right Rod? No Congress is doing an "End Around" on our Constitutional Right(s). Instead of addressing the real problem(s). No they're chipping away at it little by little. Sorry Buddy, I was born at night...just not last night.

From the accounts I have read he was in a gated community where a rash of break in had been taking place, not on the street , they were both in the middle of a populated common area. The witnesses saw what was going on but did nothing what so ever to come to the aid of either man & you suggest to not get involved .....which is what happened. But none of that matters, because a jury of his peers found him not guilty from the evidence presented to them, there was justice. Sad for some I'm sure. Not much crime in our area because thieves know that if they break in to a house around here they're 9 times out of 10 liable to get shot. If not by the owner, the neighbors will help out.

Who was detained Steven? The person on the ground getting beaten? If some crimes are being committed in your area you wouldn't question a suspicious person in that same area? Really? So LEO's are the sole responsible party in the security and self defense of your home, person, & Family? Really? Citizens don't have the right to question?? Really? Really Sheeple?