Guy B

So in "Disagreeing" you mean calling people names comparing them to dictators, and baiting them into an arguments? No barry, you are itching for drama and can't stand it when you're engaged. You're right barry "It's the attitude and response that causes the drama." thanks for finally admitting that, but I guess you just can't help yourself. Go back to any of your posts barry, how many do you actually help someone or give someone positive advise, or positive anything? You don't, you roam around looking for drama, you look to pass your almighty judgement on others with a good dose of snide remarks. It's pretty sad barry and I'm sorry for your bitterness. Please, your Hypocrisy is truly overwhelming.

Poster Children, good one Matt. I'm glad you are networking with others in your area, that's verbatim a conversation I had with someone last night. I'm still unsure of why all the concern over something you care nothing for. All of a sudden everyone is concerned an attacking us when we've be in place over a year now? I don't get it. You say silence is golden, and you're right. But if someone attacks you, baits you, you don't respond? Even when a question is not answered the baiting starts, when answered the attacks start, and we're not suppose to respond to that? Is that how this game is played? Want to make sure I know the rules.

And again Whats That Got To Do With Anything???

My Wife let's me say whatever I want to, that's the only Boss I answer to John.....Again none of that has anything to do with this thread. 1 Post you're jumping up and down about Certs. another it's about Ron or Tony. The nut house thing was a joke John and you know it. Doug wasn't hand picked he was voted in. What other kind of junk that has nothing to do with this thread or TGS do you want to bring up?

No I think all the crap that you brought over here and started because your feelings got hurt is pretty disrespectful John. And you banned Ron & Scott just to be spiteful because they hurt your feelings. None of this has anything to do with the *****. Keep crying Wolf John.

What has any of this got to do with Roof Certifications??? The subject of this thread???

I guess there's a double standard here John, I don't see a problem with this do you? Double Standard Looks to me that Michael is helping Contractors better themselves for the betterment of the Industry. But no one else is suppose to.

Defensive Matt? I tried to answer a few questions and carry on a civil conversation and then someone compares me to a dictator and attacks me? I try to answer a few questions honestly and then belittled for answering them? When I don't know the answer I truthfully say "I don't know the answer" but here's where you'll find it, and attacked for being truthful? Yea I know the definition of Insanity. You don't see me pushing anything on anyone Matt. You don't see me mentioning the ***** in every other post, Certifications or sickening hero worship in any of my posts. What happened in the past is just that...the past. Like I said the problem you and others have is with a couple of individuals in the Org. not the Org. itself. And that's fine, I understand. But confine your problems with them, not everybody else, and certainly not the *****. I don't expect you or anyone else to agree with (Or Like) what we're doing, again that's fine, but don't hide behind "Concern For The Industry" and attack folks that are trying to do some good things in order to take down or discredit the one's you have the real problems with. You and others here had the chance to stay in the game and make a difference, you and others could have been on the board and do all the things you demand done now.....but you didn't... If things aren't going the way you and others wanted them to, don't sit in the bleachers and blame the players in the game. Will we ever have a National Org.? I don't know..... but if you don't at least try you never will. Got to start somewhere.

Michael, respect back Brother! Why "Should" he answer back? He's just going to be jumped and ridiculed. I never said anyone "Owed" him a call, why do you feel he "Owes" anyone an answer to a question. The Man asked to answer questions "In Person" over the phone, what you don't respect that? Look, you and others don't have a problem with the Org. or the Certifications, you have a problem with 1 or 2 people in the Org. you've already admitted to that. And I'm not throwing off here but, Is the ***** the only Industry Org. to offer certifications?...No but we seem to be the one catching he** for ours. Michael lets be real here, is everything perfect??? No. Is the ***** trying to be better and do things better?? Yea. Will it be perfect in the eyes of others??.......No. But again, a lot of good people are trying to build a really good Org. here. Do you really think I'd be apart of any association that would rip off or screw Contractors Michael?? That's not me and you know it and so do a lot of other people. Why not just direct your anger at the people you're angry with?

Oh you got to be kidding!!!!!!!!! So it's ok for you to be snide, it's ok for you to be "Not As" professional, it's ok for you to call someone Lois Lane, it's ok for you to bait people into an argument......but no one else can do that??????????? What A Hypocrite!!! You sit in your high and mighty throne and pass judgement as you see fit, on who you see fit and then make a statement like that???? God A Mighty What Gall!!!!! And you still avoid the question of calling Bill although you expect your answers answered. The Man said he'd answer your questions, just call him, what's the problem Superman???? Same thing you called me, what's the difference barry??? Oh I forgot, it's a whole different set of rules for you. You came here and started after me, if you think I'm not going fight back after you attacked me???? If that's what you call less professional, then I'll take that, and I always will. Mod or no Mod. I didn't call you names, I didn't attack you, I didn't question your professionalism......but it's OK for you to do that to me???? OK just wanted to make sure I was clear on that......Thanks!

See Barry I was just trying show you that although your opinion of me is not scale-able, I'm not petty or short sighted as to change or delete any of the conversations that have been going on. Why? Because there's nothing to hide, cover up or delete. Being as smart as you are I would have thought you would have gotten that right off, my mistake. You (And The Others) don't care to have questions answered for "Understanding" you (And The Others) want or demand answers so you can continue the barrage of negativity that really has nothing to do with the Org. but certain Members of said Org. Why not just talk to someone that can answer your questions on a public call Barry, or is it Lois Lane now?

Awesome Matt, thanks for asking! Looks like you're gonna have a Super Meeting in NY!!!!

They can be Barry by any of the moderators here.........as a matter of fact I'm a moderator here. Why not just call the Man?

Without a doubt....Trevor Steele

Nice truck Matt!

Is it legal to show your stuff???

Cool!!! Let the beatings begin!!! I don't think I've been talking in circles but I feel like I have because I've answered the same questions over and over. Doug having a school or selling some Bio-Soap has never been "Hidden". I'm not sure why the words "Secretive" & "Hidden" are being used so much because that's not the case, everybody knows, I'm talking about it right here and have never shied away from the subject ever. It's a total "Non-Issue" to me because there is no agenda here that I have seen ever. Now you can take my word for it or not but that's how it is. No Member is Certified inside or outside Doug's school. Membership is above 80, how much so I do not know. But I mean where do you start Rob??? If people don't like that we have a low Membership, I can't do anything about that, again you have to start somewhere and build on that. I said I'd never run for another BOD spot, did I lie or change my mind? As for what Ron said about Doug to you, (No Disrespect) I don't know what was said by you or him. A lot of people say a lot of things about a lot of people, I don't believe any of it until I see it for myself. Bill Booze is the Chairman of the Certification Committee and was the driving force in putting these certifications together. It took several months to put this all together. It may not be perfect, and it seems many may not like them but that's what it is. The questions you asked and I did not answer is because I don't know the correct answer, I am not the information officer. I just (for the 4th or 5th time) tried to answer Michael's post That's All!!!

Barry, I mean what can I say? I guess we should all thank you for your superior passing of judgement skills. No you and I have really never seen eye to eye because you "Think" you know more than you really do about this Industry....and you don't. And that's not a slight it is what it is. Lois Lane??? No I don't remember it quite that way, but again if it makes you feel better. I'm answering the questions asked of me Barry, why do you ask me a question then put me down for trying to answer it? Again I didn't come here "To This Thread" to start anything but only to answer to Micheal's post, then I'm jumped on by you when I do my best to answer the questions asked of me. I don't and didn't stalk you, I think you think too much of yourself, but again please build yourself up as much as you need at my expense....But who's stalking who? I will ask the Board if they would like me to step down in order for you to join if you'd like, I'm quite serious about this. If they feel it's better for the ***** I will do this gladly. I'm sure a person with your problem solving skills, sunny disposition and judgement skills could be more of an asset than anything I bring to the table. No I've never been banned from a forum before but there are plenty I don't go to. Hopefully you won't stalk my posts like you have done here. I do apologize for any bitterness you hold for the ***** because of me, it surely was not my intent. I do wish you all the best Barry, I do. And above all I wish you happiness, because you need as much as you can get.

All the time, in every post, bringing no valid solution to their opposing viewpoint.

Hey Rob, long time no talk to! No not at all Rob, these certifications are not training certs. They are certifications for the knowledge a Contractor possesses with the requirements met from the ***** Certification Committee (if I'm not mistaken). Yes Doug offers a school and I haven't avoided answering that ever, I think he even sells some kind of Bio-Degreaser but I've never used any. Yes he has voted on many topics, but there has never been a situation were his vote or motion would be self motivated or funky in anyway I can tell you that. Hey last time we talked you were getting Married and having a Baby if I'm not mistaken.....How's the Family doing?

Barry in order to understand these quotes you must also include the whole thread, picking and choosing quotes is tabloid stuff. Man you're one bitter Dude, sorry it must be pretty tough on you.

Funny stuff Barry! Not sure I know who the Iraqi guy is but I'm pretty sure I'm not acting like him. But if it makes you feel smug and confident to compare me to him, hope you got whatever sensation you were looking for. I'm not sure what history re-writing you're talking about Barry, as far as mocking I don't think anything I've written here compares to what you and others have been doing to this subject on TGS. There's nothing to hide so I'm not sure why you're all bunched up about this. I made it pretty clear that I'm not on the Certification Committee and my knowledge would be limited. I'm sure if I answered a question that was not incorrect you'd have a picture of Hitler or Stalin up and comparing me to them. So again I defer those questions to the Certification Committee. Then you can post the replies at your leisure. Look I only posted in this thread to correct Michaels misconception of the YouTube video and thank him for posting other options for Contractors. I tried to answer a few more questions that I had knowledge in, and now it's to the point that you need to ask someone more educated than I for the answers you seek....simple as that. If you wish to blow this up into a Bigfoot, UFO, Conspiracy Theory have at it.....it's your time to waste.

I have to go back to your "Wants & Needs" post there Kris...you need those people you described....maybe not so much the pressure washer. I do agree with the second part though, it would kind of be like Wal-Mart and drive the small businesses out of business. I pull for the small business owner myself. No not a Panthers fan (per say) worse....Cowboys Fan!!!! I was pulling for the 9'ers in the Bowl though. John I'm not on the Certification Committee and my knowledge of your questions are limited so I would ask you to email them to the certification committee at info@*****.org to get the correct information.

Oh one more thought before I call it a night.....In offering a pressure washing school, what happens when the market is saturated with pressure washers??? What happens to prices & profits?

Originally Posted by Guy B Which would be a great idea Kris if it weren't for the costs of doing this and the Liability. As John stated in an earlier post, there is a line that if you cross could put you in a bad place. The time it would take to put together a manual would be unreal for the group of unpaid people doing it. I'm not shooting your idea down, it has merit. But let me ask you this....] What do you think it would cost for something like this? The cost depends on the devotion of what’s being made. If I was (and I’m not, just an example) going to create a school of how to power wash. I would first have to get rid of my current business. I couldn’t operate KPOW and a school at the same time, and my would have to be devoted to one or the other. The second this is no matter how much I think I know the fact is that I don’t know it all. With that said I would have to hire some experts that are willing to teach and be devoted teachers in the school. It’s one thing to have experience, but another when you know how it all works. This all would cost a lot of money to fund, then again starting KPOW wasn’t cheap either. How much would you charge for a training and certification course like the one you described? When I went to truck driving school for 3 weeks I was charged 10,000 dollars, with the promise of making 35,000 my first year. Seeing that I think training in power washing could be 1-3 months the price could be anywhere from 10,000 to 30,000 dollars. Now I know that sounds like a lot of money, and it is. But ask yourself this; if you could go all the way back and you could choose from learning the way you and making the mistakes you made along the journey to paying 30,000 dollars to learn every single aspect of this industry and may even be MORE successful then you already are do not think the 30 grand would be worth it? To me I would invest that 30 grand in a moment if it meant that my business would have more of a success rate then if I didn’t. How many people would then come in and bad mouth it, critique it, bash it and put it down? You will always have haters, no one can change that. Someone will have a problem with it or may not agree with it. All you can say is “I’m sorry you feel that way and have a nice day” and move on. It’s the people that believe that it will work that you should be focused on. Kris the requirement you have X amount of years experience may seem "Dumb" to you because you haven't been around long enough to know that "Certs." were at one time (And Still Are) handed out like candy to anyone that paid X dollars. That's not what these Certs are about, or the people that take them. Maybe I’m just not getting this part, but explain to me how giving a professional 10 year veteran Roof cleaner a test and a certificate helps him and his business? Just a thought I’m having, but may be instead of a roof cleaning certificate for these veteran could they be changed to “advance roof cleaner certificate” Something that would separate a veteran from a newbie. Again just a thought I had right now. There are many "Training Seminars" going on all over. Is there one that will fit everything you're looking for???......I have no idea, but you can check with Envirospec, Sun Brite, powerwash.com, Doug **********, Paul Kassander @ pressurewash.com, A.C. Lockyer and a few more I'm missing. Training seminars are great and I attend to go to them soon enough, but they are only training courses, not schools. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Very thought out Kris, this is the kind of discussions that are needed. Questions....Are you still driving a truck? If so are you making the money they promised? Did they train you to work for someone else or run your own your own? Do you think you got your monies worth? Why after spending that amount of money for driving school did you start pressure washing? The ***** Certifications are only as helpful as the Contractor that uses them and believes in them, I think you yourself said it best......."It’s the people that believe that it will work that you should be focused on." I couldn't agree more, and exactly what we're doing. While you and maybe a few more would pay 10 to 30k to attend a "Pressure Washing School" that's not nearly enough to keep an idea like that sustainable. You would not only need classroom training but also hands on training... Houses, Concrete, Buildings, Apartments, Decks, Brick, Chems, Equipment, Accounting, Marketing, etc.... I could see a year invested in a proper training school that you're describing......And it still wouldn't guarantee you would be successful. But hey something to think about