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    Sensable questioning regarding an Association is a right to the members and potential members. Asking how one should take their own life is disturbing and the poster should be banned for life. There is too much drama in the world the way it is.

    But when the owner of the BBS makes a post saying that it stops here and now, and there is no respect from the Remora's it makes it apparent why this industry will never end up in unity. There's a total lack of respect among some.

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    Rob, if you're insinuating that I passed some information or a screenshot to Ron I will tell you here and now I did not, it's not my style and I don't operate like that. Seeing that there is no way to prove myself I can only give you my word on that, seeing the tone of your post I doubt highly that you would believe me anyway although I've never given you any reason to believe otherwise.

    I have no control over what people do Rob, I do my best to stay out of other peoples crap. Your Leader, Your Boss....really Rob you're gonna start that again. I haven't done or said anything against you....ever. If you want to bait me or classify me then I guess you've ended the mutual respect we've had for each other, because I haven't done that to you.

    Struck a nerve? About Certifications? No, not in the least. Being blind sided with attacks, snide remarks, and down right hypocrisy of nuclear proportions did strike a nerve. Evidently there is some notion that because I'm a board Member or Moderator I'm supposed to be PC and not respond to attacks on myself or speak my mind....That I assure you will never happen.

    I tried my best to keep this trash off of TGS, Beth knows this, and I tried because of the respect I have for Beth & Rod, TGS and it's Members....And the payback was disrespect to me. I'm not talking about hiding anything, I'm talking about the BS that would surely follow this trash....as it did. I guess the call went out to come over here and jump on the ***** because Ron is President, because you guys sure did show up all of a sudden. And all of you have an axe to grind, not with the *****, Not With The Certifications, Not With Me, but with Ron. You just hide behind the other crap.

    I get it, you don't think the Certifications are worth the paper it takes to wipe your butts, fine that's your opinion you have that right. You don't think Doug's school should be this or that. That the ***** should do or be this or that, OK fine. I will tell you this though, that any mistakes that the ***** may have made or will make will have a far, far less impact on this Industry than what's going to happen and whats going on right now..on the flip side of this coin.

    I don't care if you or anyone else doesn't give 2 hoots for the ***** I don't hold that against anyone, but don't attack me or my character because of an axe you've got to grind with someone else because I don't turn the other cheek or suffer fools easily.

    Now Back To Your Regularly Scheduled Program.

    Guy,

    I never insinuated anything. But if you take it as that well I cant tell you not too. But my point is that if your president is banned from this BBS how did he get a screen shot? The only people that would do is limited. Right? I do hope we can agree to that one.

    Im not baiting you or luring you in. I simply am explaining to you and the rest of the BOD facts. This org will never exist. You (the BOD and Ron) have simply turned over the outside. Good luck cleaning up all the crap now. This is not personal Guy so stop with telling me I show you no respect. I do or I wouldnt bother typing this. But you are in a position with the Org and therefore people, contractors will come at you with questions and opinions. When you cant handle those and avoid them it does nothing but make things worse. I hope you know what I mean.

    To call this trash is wonderful. Its your FREE members speaking their opinions. And you call us or our opinions TRASH? I have nothing but respect for Beth and Rod. So lets not even go there Guy. I will not go to your presidents BBS and be manipulated. I know what goes on over there as do many. This is why this industry will always have a seperation.

    You think a call went out...Lol. It did, from your president. He called me and wasnt happy I told him Robert H founded the *****. He tried to manipulate me and brought others names into it. Even going as far as telling me their opinions. Sorry but mine stayed the same. Its an opinion for crying out load. So after hearing that I would not budge he goes to his BBS and tells everyone I was a founder? What a joke. Period. And then when he does get his way he calls me a clown over there...LOL. Guy to say the least its laughable. Again this is why I said if you want to play ball like that thats ok. But life is a two way street.

    Everyone see's whats going on with the BOD. You can get all of them together. It doesnt matter. You all are in recovery zone. I get it. But going off on tyraids and making statements may be better off handled by one. You guys need to understand you are in a position of authority (in the Org of course). Some will look at you as that. When you are not respectful and your president makes videos every ten minutes on people it really doesnt look good.

    Please explain the flip side of the coin? I want to know more.

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    Guy,

    I saw what you wrote so I will respond as gingerly as possible. This thread has obviously hit a nerve to some. I find it funny what you wrote on this post but it was screen shot and somehow ends up on your President's BBS. Really Guy I think you and his friends may have to rethink how you want to play ball. He can make 1000 you tube videos calling me out. I dont care. He can try to discredit me. I dont care. I know the trusth and nothing he does or says will change that. I am a moderator here and respected by many more than you will ever know. I try to hold up my end on standards and practices. I also have tried to stay ethically correct. I have had many phone calls from respeccted contractors and I have assured them that I would leave them out of this situation. I have done that and I will continue to do so. Life is a two way street. Remember that. You can't expect people to get blasted and then in turn when its you you cry wolf or whine about some wrong doing. This kind of sounds like a phone call I had with your president. If you and the BOD want opinions or help I will give it. Here is my suggestion. Close the doors. Disban the Org. End it all.

    Can I be any more clear then that? What has transpired from jealously and ignorance is unreal. I make an opinionated statement and your so called leader, his friends and the BOD chose to make it personal and attack me. Questions are avoided. You cannot manipulate people but so far. You cant use the friendship card when its suiting then pull the card when its not. Your president calls people out on video and you sit back and do nothing. Maybe I am not worthy of the Org. Maybe I should go into pig farming and start my own organization.

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    LMAO. Thanks for your bio. I hope I dont have to pay for it and if I do can I get you sign my copy?

    Tony,

    You all just dont get it. Your BOD has put the cart before the horse on the certifications. Or maybe the horse just stopped? I have told many others this and since you brought it up I will say it directly to you. I dont need recognition about the convention I was a chair of. I had plenty of help and there were plnety of things that went wrong. Most of that only a few people only knew or know of. I am no different than the guy who put on the next round table. We have a very successful business and I can say that for the past 10 years or so. I have been blessed with being able to go from a part timer to a full timer. To answer your question from previously I was a professional bullfighter for almost 13 years. Not a clown like I was accused of. But if you want comedy I can show you that? www.*****.org is a good place to start. Its not about bashing but the materials and information that the BOD has released will continue to be detrimental to this Org. Can it succeed with only 100 members? I guess we will see.

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    Man Rob I don't know about all that stuff. I'm still talking about the issues here. You have problems with Ron, I can't do anything about that. And I'm not being insensitive but that's not my business BOD or no BOD.

    Guy,

    I appreciate the comment. But again you must not get it. I dont give two bulls ***** about Ron. What my point is that he is relentless. This is why people will never join the Org. I didnt know I had a problem with Ron to be honest. I voiced my opinion on a topic of discussion. Then he harrasses me with phone calls and text messeges. I clearly state do not call or text me. You do know what harrassment is? My point is that this is your president of a "so called" national Org. Your BOD puts out "free" memberships for contractors to the Org because of why? I get it...you cant get the membership. But just name me one Org who allows free members to be on committee's. Whats the purpose of paying for membership when you can get it free? You have your president promoting that the VP's school is the best in the world, industry, etc. What a joke this Org has become. You can run when you want to and thats ok I understand why Guy. But you are a part of this until you get out of the BOD. And no affadavit you sign will reliquish you of your duties. You ask why the ***** is under fire. When contractors cannot voice their opinions there is no need for an Org. or if they do this is how they get treated. Make it the United Assoc of Mickeys Clubhouse Cleaners. I am sure Disney has enough money to fund you part way.

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    Guy,

    Cant tell me one huh? I get it now though. Now I know why its called a donating membership.

    One of the questions I asked several times was for you (BOD) to tell us what committee's are out there and who is on them (Both non and donating members).

    So you respect me Guy? Then why come up with the story that Ron is only saying that about Dougs school because Doug had a heart attack. Really? You know thats more BS then whats its worth to say.

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    You really dont get it do you?

    Let me put this out there. Just a few minutes your president sends me a text telling me to go to his BBS. He screen shots the text and posts it on his BBS. Let him know do not text me again. He really doesnt want to **** me off. This is non sense. I asked in my very first post for all parties to do not call nor text me about this. Yet he continues. And you had to ask why people dont want to speak up?

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    I'm talking about the here and now Rob at TGS. You and Ron have a history that goes back a ways. And although I didn't see where he called you a clown, if he did, no I don't agree with that but I also don't know the context he said that in.

    Rob you and I know each other a little and I believe we have a mutual respect for each other, so why quip me with the "Your Boss" junk, you know that's BS.

    Guy,

    You are a good person. I do believe that. But you are in with the Kliq (BOD) of Rons. Dont drink the Kool Aid...LOL.

    When you want to stay professional and this isnt directly relating to you but more the BOD I will. So sorry for the BS jab but your president is the best BS'er. And back stabber. Yes there was history there and I thought it was swept up. But he did nothing more than pour salt on the wound per se. What an emabrrassment to an Org for him to say the things he does. In your S&P you may want to write up something on double standards. The almighty one can talk alot of crap behind the computer thats for sure.

    But seriously this Org and the way it is now is nothing less then exclusive. The contractors that would want to join have or will be excluded. The ones who want a free membership are included. So much that you allow them to be on committee's? Tell me Guy what Org allows outsiders to vote and be on committee's? Answer that one.

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    So Rob tell me, what other Industry Org. has S&P's for their Certs.? What questions are being avoided? Who is afraid to speak up? What's wrong with being "Inclusive", instead of "Exclusive"?

    Guy,

    I dont have the time to investigate every industry. Thanks. Maybe you can tell me. But be aware if you say you are the first that it can conceived as a lie if there are some and you dont find them. The questions being avoided...maybe you should start reading from Post 1 on this thread and see how many questions were avoided. One I havent asked you is do you endorse Dougs school as the best like Ron is posting? Again Guy readt he previous posts from Barry where people are afriad to speak up. As for being Exclusive no worries...the ***** is already exclusive because you have excluded the majority of contractors...enough said?

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    So in "Disagreeing" you mean calling people names comparing them to dictators, and baiting them into an arguments? No barry, you are itching for drama and can't stand it when you're engaged.

    You're right barry "It's the attitude and response that causes the drama." thanks for finally admitting that, but I guess you just can't help yourself. Go back to any of your posts barry, how many do you actually help someone or give someone positive advise, or positive anything? You don't, you roam around looking for drama, you look to pass your almighty judgement on others with a good dose of snide remarks. It's pretty sad barry and I'm sorry for your bitterness.

    Please, your Hypocrisy is truly overwhelming.

    Guy,

    Go to your boss oops I mean Ron and look at his posts on *** where he actually calls me a clown. Really Guy you want to talk about hypocrisy? It starts with the President...

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    I'm not sure where he is trying to take that Guy.

    I've never actually asked myself that question. My first thought is to say of course not. But I was raised to fear God and remain humble so I probably don't give myself enough credit.

    You bet I'm an expert in this industry. I haven't been in this as long as most and there is a lot about other types of cleaning I don't know, but I'm running one helluva business based on doing what I say I'm going to do when I say I'm going to do it. And providing the best pressure washing service that can be had. I've seen with my own eyes that that isn't so common. So yes I'm an expert. My customers can vouch for that.

    Really that is where my passion comes from for the ***** and this industry. We've had so much help to get to this point and I'm very thankful to be to a place where I can help others.

    Chris,

    Glad you have some passion for this industry. Thats good. Ask yourself why its being wasted on an Org thats being ran by the Blob. Pay attention to what people are writing and saying. Ask yourself how certifications make sense if S&P's arent done? Ask yourself why was the Org (revamped) as a For contractor By Contractor saying? Ask yourself why is there so much double talk or questions being avoided? Ask yourself what Org is out there that allows NON-Paying "members" , lol, to be on committee's? Ask yourself why are people afraid to speak up?

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    Guy,

    I am not trying to beat up anything. Just my opinion that the BOD is wasting too much valued time on certifications then membership. With membership being at approx 80 contractors why waste time and effort for a coil cleaning cert? I am using that only because I truly only know one person who has taken that. As for Doug ask him why he is banned from TGS? You stated that no one was certified thru Dougs school. Who is doing the certifications then? Guy, I didnt see an answer (sorry if you did answer) but are you telling me Doug has not voted on anything for the BOD?

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    Hey Rob, long time no talk to!

    No not at all Rob, these certifications are not training certs. They are certifications for the knowledge a Contractor possesses with the requirements met from the ***** Certification Committee (if I'm not mistaken).

    Yes Doug offers a school and I haven't avoided answering that ever, I think he even sells some kind of Bio-Degreaser but I've never used any. Yes he has voted on many topics, but there has never been a situation were his vote or motion would be self motivated or funky in anyway I can tell you that.

    Hey last time we talked you were getting Married and having a Baby if I'm not mistaken.....How's the Family doing?

    Guy,

    The wife and baby are good. Baby will be 2 in couple months. Now thats out of the way.

    Read what you wrote. Its sounds like your talking in circles. If they are not training certifications what the **** are they? Who created them? The certifications that your committee put together started when? How many have been certified out side of Dougs school? Ron plainly lied to me when he told me that the ***** was not going to do certifications. Thats ok because I know it can change. The idea of being secretive is not a good thing for this industry. It has been proven time and time again that when things are hidden (i.e., Dougs distributorship) it can be devastating to say the least. For some of the BOD to continuously talk in the circles that they have makes me wonder where you all stand. For the comments that your president wrote stating joining the most successful Org and get all the benefits is great. But when people find out there are only around 80 members? (I will say that that is another question that has been avoided--not by you but BOD) I understand marketing probably as best as the next guy considering we service three different markets now. So I do understand the point for the Org to have certificates. But make sure the majority knows what they are getting into when buying into a marketing scheme and not learning from someone that may be more then willing to sell them their products.

    As for Doug voting on topics. Again lies. Your president told me Doug didnt vote on any topics. And if you cant see the road that this will take you down. Well maybe you didnt travel it years ago.

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    "Training Certifications" can certainly fall into this category......That's one of the reasons the ***** does not offer "Training Certifications" at this time.

    Guy,

    Whats going on man? The above statement has me very confused. If the ***** isnt offering certifications than why is ***** certified on the bottom signature of your president and others? Isnt it the same as what you are saying the Org doesnt offer?

    One other question that was avoided was that the VP offers a school. Has the VP ever voted on any topic, subject etc since he has been in that position?

    Thanks,

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    Mike,

    Knowing the Snow and Ice Management as I do there really isnt an explanation. I do know that most states (or at least Maryland) are trying to pass bills that use of brine will be a requirement 24 hours prior to any snow event. My opinion is that this is their regulation as cutting the use of actual rock salt. Knowing that brine is salt and water mixed I am sure the thinking is we just cut the salt usage in half. Again thats just my opinion and maybe someone knows something more.

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    I checked craigslist yesterday and people are asking double the cost for generators...lol. I was talking with my dad yesterday and was curious about what people do with their old ones that they bought last year. Do people eat them? This storm is bad and we are hours away from the worse of it. To me, some people over prepare (lady down the street had her whole car trunk full of gas tanks) and some dont prepare at all. Be smart and be safe all....

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