Wood Chat Transcript from 1/28/04

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

Wed Jan 28 20:14:00 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:Am I at the right place?

Wed Jan 28 20:14:03 2004:Guy [0/] Msg:Hello all.

Wed Jan 28 20:14:10 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Sorry for the delay in logging in

Wed Jan 28 20:14:13 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:deck chat

Wed Jan 28 20:14:28 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:How is everyone this evening?

Wed Jan 28 20:14:34 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:good

Wed Jan 28 20:14:38 2004:Bethrod [0/] Login:

Wed Jan 28 20:14:38 2004:Bethrod [0/] IP:67.24.148.76

Wed Jan 28 20:14:41 2004:Guy [0/] Msg:Good. Hope you are tool.

Wed Jan 28 20:14:43 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:Cold....

Wed Jan 28 20:14:46 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ.C get broadband

Wed Jan 28 20:15:03 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Not available in my neck of the woods

Wed Jan 28 20:15:10 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi everyone! :)

Wed Jan 28 20:15:16 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I know

Wed Jan 28 20:15:24 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:hi beth

Wed Jan 28 20:15:28 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:just busting chops

Wed Jan 28 20:15:32 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:Hello.

Wed Jan 28 20:15:54 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:The topic for this evening is how to strip a deck

Wed Jan 28 20:16:25 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Does anyone have any questions to get started with?

Wed Jan 28 20:17:22 2004:Guy [0/] Msg:Winter months, any special considerations in cold weather?

Wed Jan 28 20:17:27 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:What do you use to apply your stripper

Wed Jan 28 20:17:39 2004:carlgoodbar [0/] Msg:What is the best chemical to use on a solid red Behr stain approx. 5 years old?

Wed Jan 28 20:17:44 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Slow everything down in the cold weather

Wed Jan 28 20:18:07 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:allow longer for dwell time and also allow extra time for sealers to penetrate

Wed Jan 28 20:18:38 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:Do you Protect any bordering siding or windows before stripping th deck?

Wed Jan 28 20:18:44 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:The best we have ever tested is HD-80

Wed Jan 28 20:18:44 2004:gmilarck [0/] Login:

Wed Jan 28 20:18:44 2004:gmilarck [0/] IP:172.130.101.194

Wed Jan 28 20:19:03 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:As far as the best way to apply, I would say hvlp sprayers

Wed Jan 28 20:19:08 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i im running into more decks with acrllics on them any ideas how to remove it faster

Wed Jan 28 20:19:34 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:You mask according to the product you are useing

Wed Jan 28 20:21:20 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:For removing acrillics you can look at products that contain MEK

Wed Jan 28 20:22:15 2004:Guy [0/] Msg:I have a job coming up that is an elevated deck with a concrete pad below it. How difficult will it be to clean fresh stain that drips onto the pad if I don't completely mask the pad?

Wed Jan 28 20:22:18 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Login:

Wed Jan 28 20:22:18 2004:JimCrossley [0/] IP:67.75.131.235

Wed Jan 28 20:22:20 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:well i was hoping there was a better way maybe with a stronger SH solution and Hot water?

Wed Jan 28 20:22:31 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:ESI is currently researching safer alternatives to MEK

Wed Jan 28 20:22:37 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:What does HD-80 require for masking and what does HD-80 stand for?

Wed Jan 28 20:23:07 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:HD-80 is a product name

Wed Jan 28 20:23:14 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:We carry it.

Wed Jan 28 20:23:21 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:The HD stands for Heavy Duty and the 80 is an internal code used by ESI (manufacturer)

Wed Jan 28 20:23:43 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:for HD-80, mask painted surfaces and bare metels

Wed Jan 28 20:24:05 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Mask Aluminum sidiing if the homeowner has it.

Wed Jan 28 20:25:07 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:Any concerns with it getting on glass?

Wed Jan 28 20:25:36 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it is never a good idea to let any chemicals dry on glass, but it should not give you too much trouble

Wed Jan 28 20:25:53 2004:paul-uk [0/] Login:

Wed Jan 28 20:25:53 2004:paul-uk [0/] IP:217.42.18.143

Wed Jan 28 20:26:03 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:hi all

Wed Jan 28 20:26:08 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:you should be more concerned with the acids used in neutralization.

Wed Jan 28 20:26:18 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:welcome Paul

Wed Jan 28 20:26:19 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Good morning Paul

Wed Jan 28 20:26:22 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Any body running into latex and accrylics? Seem like i see more and more every year

Wed Jan 28 20:27:34 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl, as the industry moves away from solvent based formulations to stay ahead of VOC regulations, you will start to see more and more of these products used

Wed Jan 28 20:28:00 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:the real trouble is in trying to identify all of the hybrids

Wed Jan 28 20:28:08 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:well some one needs to come up with abetter solution for removing em

Wed Jan 28 20:28:33 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Hey Paul

Wed Jan 28 20:28:44 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:hi dale

Wed Jan 28 20:28:47 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:im tired of stripping 4 times with mek and gas mask

Wed Jan 28 20:28:53 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl, how long have you been in the business?

Wed Jan 28 20:29:00 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:4 years

Wed Jan 28 20:29:27 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:It is very tough sometimes

Wed Jan 28 20:30:07 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:well when i started i didnt see that much but now its getting rediculous

Wed Jan 28 20:30:28 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:what part of the country are you in?

Wed Jan 28 20:30:40 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:ivirginia and u?

Wed Jan 28 20:30:49 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:QuikCarl it just means more money in your pocket for the pain in the ...... jobs

Wed Jan 28 20:31:09 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Carl what's on it?

Wed Jan 28 20:31:12 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:That is one reason a lot of the contractors I talk to are working on buildig their repeat business. They like to controll what is put on the wood

Wed Jan 28 20:31:22 2004:mattia [0/] Login:

Wed Jan 28 20:31:22 2004:mattia [0/] IP:12.217.118.161

Wed Jan 28 20:31:28 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Matt

Wed Jan 28 20:31:34 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:We are based near St Louis

Wed Jan 28 20:31:45 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Fred i dont know to many people who will strip latex ----cause u have to sand afterwords

Wed Jan 28 20:31:52 2004:mattia [0/] Msg:hello board

Wed Jan 28 20:32:04 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:hi matt

Wed Jan 28 20:32:17 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ.C are you going to get wood tux in gal. this year?

Wed Jan 28 20:32:21 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Latex should not be used on exterior wood decks

Wed Jan 28 20:32:45 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:Why?

Wed Jan 28 20:32:52 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Why would you want it in gallons? Thought you would be more interested in the 30 gallon contractor drums

Wed Jan 28 20:32:59 2004:Underpaid-Fireman [0/] Login:

Wed Jan 28 20:32:59 2004:Underpaid-Fireman [0/] IP:209.158.236.145

Wed Jan 28 20:33:22 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Do do sample boards for customers at this point

Wed Jan 28 20:33:24 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:well latex blends and acryllic are being sold as deeck solutions by every depot out there

Wed Jan 28 20:33:27 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Frenchy It does not breath right and will not survive the freeze thaw cycles

Wed Jan 28 20:34:07 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hello Fireman

Wed Jan 28 20:34:14 2004:Underpaid-Fireman [0/] Msg:hi

Wed Jan 28 20:34:15 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:russ have you tried hot water on accrylic b4?

Wed Jan 28 20:34:19 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:and the 30's will be nice

Wed Jan 28 20:34:42 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl, I know they are but they do not have the properties to make them suitable for the application

Wed Jan 28 20:35:02 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:We don't use hot water on wood

Wed Jan 28 20:35:27 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i know that the problem is the homeowner puts the stuff on and calls me a year later to take it off

Wed Jan 28 20:36:19 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:That is tough to deal with, unless there is enough work in your market to simply walk away

Wed Jan 28 20:36:32 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i dont use hot water either but i was thinking i might have better results taking of accrylic

Wed Jan 28 20:36:47 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:off

Wed Jan 28 20:36:48 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:All you can do is charge time/Materials and explain how intensive the job could be

Wed Jan 28 20:37:49 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I think there is good news on the horizon, but I would be premature saying anything definitive right now.

Wed Jan 28 20:38:22 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ.C stop teasing us that is not fair!

Wed Jan 28 20:39:08 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Sorry

Wed Jan 28 20:39:28 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:what stain do u use russ

Wed Jan 28 20:39:28 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Who has some really great b4 and after shots?

Wed Jan 28 20:39:29 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:is there any truth in the rumor that you all will be going over to water based stains only because of the voc regs

Wed Jan 28 20:39:38 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Now you have to tell us lol

Wed Jan 28 20:40:01 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:yes there is truth in that

Wed Jan 28 20:40:07 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Water base =====Acrylic

Wed Jan 28 20:40:18 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl. . .not always

Wed Jan 28 20:40:28 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:What's the difference between using hot or cold water on wood?

Wed Jan 28 20:40:34 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:name one

Wed Jan 28 20:40:50 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:who raised that one

Wed Jan 28 20:41:14 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Hot water can simply remove more of the natural extractives and sugars in the wood

Wed Jan 28 20:42:03 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ will the water base be in addition to the line of wood tux or taking place of it?

Wed Jan 28 20:42:04 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I wouldn't say that hot water would ruine the wood, cold is just safer

Wed Jan 28 20:42:13 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:hot water will raise the grain

Wed Jan 28 20:42:16 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:That must be bad....?

Wed Jan 28 20:42:35 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Hot water will raise the grain and you will have alot of sanding to do

Wed Jan 28 20:42:53 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Slow down. . .you are talking about proposed regulation that may or may not go into effect in stages over the next decade or so

Wed Jan 28 20:42:57 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Wire pool brush is better

Wed Jan 28 20:43:09 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:for removing fuzzies

Wed Jan 28 20:44:07 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Wood Tux will be around for quite some time. It is very VOC friendly

Wed Jan 28 20:44:20 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:good

Wed Jan 28 20:44:37 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:is wood tuz wet wood friendly russ?

Wed Jan 28 20:44:51 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:What's voc?

Wed Jan 28 20:44:53 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Is it spring already?

Wed Jan 28 20:45:23 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Frenchy Very Obnoxious Congress= VOC

Wed Jan 28 20:45:30 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:refresh my memory please. is it linseed based or parfanic (my spelling stinks) base

Wed Jan 28 20:45:45 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Neither

Wed Jan 28 20:45:52 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:opps

Wed Jan 28 20:46:07 2004:Underpaid-Fireman [0/] Msg:volitile organic compounds

Wed Jan 28 20:46:08 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:and that information is on the do not tell list

Wed Jan 28 20:46:27 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Fireman, thanks, I was going to get to that

Wed Jan 28 20:46:47 2004:Underpaid-Fireman [0/] Msg:paints are rated that way

Wed Jan 28 20:47:10 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ isnt on the the container antway?

Wed Jan 28 20:47:36 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:What HAS to be listed is always on the label

Wed Jan 28 20:48:05 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:ok now next question please

Wed Jan 28 20:48:16 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:lol

Wed Jan 28 20:48:21 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it is like saying Sodium Hydroxide is what is in HD-80

Wed Jan 28 20:48:44 2004:Frenchy [0/] Msg:OK ...I got it guys...I gotta get this pw lingo down somehow....Thanks

Wed Jan 28 20:49:01 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:is hd80 a liquid or powder

Wed Jan 28 20:49:09 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Powder

Wed Jan 28 20:49:28 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:along with the secret too! lol

Wed Jan 28 20:49:47 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i know all the secrets lol

Wed Jan 28 20:50:08 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:We can currently make a stripper that will take everything off however it can only be made in liquid form

Wed Jan 28 20:50:09 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:except the acryllic removal secret lol

Wed Jan 28 20:50:18 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I know everones product differs a little or alot but I was just wondering what the oil was in woodtux

Wed Jan 28 20:50:38 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:there are 3 oils used

Wed Jan 28 20:50:55 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:then the 3 oils

Wed Jan 28 20:51:04 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:where can i read about wood Tux

Wed Jan 28 20:51:24 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I can tell this is going to be a smart .... night lol

Wed Jan 28 20:51:34 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:You can find information on it at TheGrimeScene.com

Wed Jan 28 20:51:42 2004:carlgoodbar [0/] Msg:is woodtux easy to use?

Wed Jan 28 20:52:17 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:It would be comperable to something like TWP or Cuprinol

Wed Jan 28 20:52:29 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Dale, you really think he's giving out the formula? ;)

Wed Jan 28 20:52:32 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:a film former?

Wed Jan 28 20:52:42 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I can only try cant I?

Wed Jan 28 20:52:43 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:You have about 15 min at 80 degrees without worry of overlap

Wed Jan 28 20:52:44 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:It's BETTER!

Wed Jan 28 20:53:03 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Wood Tux ROCKS

Wed Jan 28 20:53:04 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:yes, it is a film former

Wed Jan 28 20:53:20 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Beth, what do you think about ease of use?

Wed Jan 28 20:53:46 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:What is the highest temp can you apply the wood tux at?

Wed Jan 28 20:53:58 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Tricky question!

Wed Jan 28 20:54:13 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:reed likes it..says it all...

Wed Jan 28 20:54:30 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I have slung a lot of stain and I would not use it above 90 in the sun

Wed Jan 28 20:55:05 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:that did not seem tricky and a easy answer at that too

Wed Jan 28 20:55:21 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:if it is really hot, watch your coverage. If you start going above 200 Sq/Ft Per gallon it's probably too hot

Wed Jan 28 20:55:33 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:well in va in june july and august you would be looking for other work cause its always 90+

Wed Jan 28 20:56:02 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Then you aplly it in the morning or late afternoon

Wed Jan 28 20:56:12 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:when its cooler

Wed Jan 28 20:56:25 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:yeah, but if it is 95 degrees and I really want to collect, I might mist the wood with water to drop the temp and then stain it as it dries (or perhaps even damp if I have the right product)

Wed Jan 28 20:56:28 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i seal 3 in one day

Wed Jan 28 20:56:38 2004:Frenchy [0/] Logout:_

Wed Jan 28 20:56:41 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i cant always choose when

Wed Jan 28 20:56:48 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Just remember if spraying it midday, work in with a pad or brush.

Wed Jan 28 20:57:01 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:QuikCarl what do you use now?

Wed Jan 28 20:57:19 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl, if you seal 3 a day, you would have no problem with WT in the heat

Wed Jan 28 20:57:22 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Ready Seal and Bio wash

Wed Jan 28 20:57:42 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Carl, you'll love this stuff. Really.

Wed Jan 28 20:57:56 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Drive up this spring and do a deck w/ Rod and I

Wed Jan 28 20:58:01 2004:Russ.C [0/] Disconnect:172.173.14.219

Wed Jan 28 20:58:20 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:beth i believe u i have been reading ur posts 4 over 2 3 ? years on delco board

Wed Jan 28 20:59:35 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:carl that bio wash...how do you rate it

Wed Jan 28 20:59:56 2004:carlgoodbar [0/] Msg:is it as goof proof as ready seal

Wed Jan 28 21:00:04 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:u have to coat it 2 times for it to look decent

Wed Jan 28 21:00:20 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Russ will be right back - he got knocked off and had to reboot

Wed Jan 28 21:00:33 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:and the colors arent that good i only use it on docks cause its water based

Wed Jan 28 21:00:45 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Not quite. Wood Tux is more than oil, it does cure.

Wed Jan 28 21:00:58 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:You need to pay attention to verticals a little more.

Wed Jan 28 21:00:59 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:QuikCarl wich do like better ready seal or bio wash?

Wed Jan 28 21:01:59 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:still trying to get russ to sell over here :<

Wed Jan 28 21:02:21 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:ready seal is better 4 me but u cant use it when the moisture in the wood is 14%

Wed Jan 28 21:02:29 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Paul come live in the states and your in

Wed Jan 28 21:03:05 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:never thoght of that....dohhhhh

Wed Jan 28 21:03:23 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:We have used Wood Tux that high no problems

Wed Jan 28 21:03:23 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I have hear because we are lucky if it gets anylower than 14%. I live in NJ

Wed Jan 28 21:04:01 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i dontu got a moisture meter

Wed Jan 28 21:04:11 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:have u got

Wed Jan 28 21:04:19 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Paul what part of England do you live in. I have some friends in the Chelmford area

Wed Jan 28 21:04:23 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Carl, I can hook you up with a meter ;)

Wed Jan 28 21:04:34 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i got one thx

Wed Jan 28 21:04:38 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:bin wales the middle by chester

Wed Jan 28 21:05:06 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Yes i a moisture meter why?

Wed Jan 28 21:05:21 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:to see if it is actually 14 %

Wed Jan 28 21:05:39 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Paul not sure where that is

Wed Jan 28 21:06:02 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Carl our wood is usaully aroung 14-15%

Wed Jan 28 21:06:16 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:My spelling sucks tonight!

Wed Jan 28 21:06:28 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:hwhat do u use Fired

Wed Jan 28 21:06:34 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:west coast in the middle...150 mile from essex...let me know if you visit sometime

Wed Jan 28 21:06:59 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Tux works fine that high

Wed Jan 28 21:07:09 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I have used readyseal mostly use cabots. This year I am switching over to woodtux

Wed Jan 28 21:07:25 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:You'll love it Dale

Wed Jan 28 21:07:28 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:ill have to look at that wood tux

Wed Jan 28 21:07:40 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:in action

Wed Jan 28 21:07:46 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Carl, I'll bering a sample kit to the Round Table for you

Wed Jan 28 21:07:49 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:send him a sample beth

Wed Jan 28 21:07:56 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:thx

Wed Jan 28 21:08:06 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Paul The last time I was ther was in 84'. That was with the boyscouts. I just email my buddies now

Wed Jan 28 21:08:10 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i saw ur web site beth its fantastic

Wed Jan 28 21:08:10 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:no problem. One catch...stay and play pool, ok?

Wed Jan 28 21:08:20 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:ok

Wed Jan 28 21:08:23 2004:Bethrod [-1/QuikCarl] MMPrv:thanks :)

Wed Jan 28 21:08:27 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:i c ...ok

Wed Jan 28 21:08:43 2004:carlgoodbar [0/] Logout:_

Wed Jan 28 21:08:56 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:But I will hold you up though to your offer.

Wed Jan 28 21:09:28 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Dale, you talking to me?

Wed Jan 28 21:09:51 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:That was for Paul. Do you have an offer too?

Wed Jan 28 21:10:02 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Only the one we spoke about...

Wed Jan 28 21:10:10 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:otay

Wed Jan 28 21:10:20 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Deckers will be on sale this spring.

Wed Jan 28 21:10:42 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:whats a decker

Wed Jan 28 21:10:46 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:https://www/thegrimescene.com/Store/

Wed Jan 28 21:11:13 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:it's under construction, but open folks. Lots to add yet though

Wed Jan 28 21:11:17 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I think Russ needs to move to more of populated area so he can get a broadband connection

Wed Jan 28 21:11:36 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Decker is a sprayer for chems or sealers, hold a 5 gallon pail

Wed Jan 28 21:11:50 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Or get off aol.

Wed Jan 28 21:11:57 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:That too

Wed Jan 28 21:11:57 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:heif he does decks he probally cant afford it im using walkie talkie isp lol

Wed Jan 28 21:12:06 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:tell him to move over here beth lol

Wed Jan 28 21:12:45 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Goodluck Paul on that one Paul

Wed Jan 28 21:12:46 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:He's on a PC that's having technical difficulties.

Wed Jan 28 21:13:12 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:what that a loose nut behing the monitor!!

Wed Jan 28 21:13:28 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:carnt get a good stain over here

Wed Jan 28 21:14:05 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:usaly the problem is between the headphones lol

Wed Jan 28 21:14:28 2004:Russ.C [0/] Login:

Wed Jan 28 21:14:28 2004:Russ.C [0/] IP:172.148.95.227

Wed Jan 28 21:14:39 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Ahh HA!

Wed Jan 28 21:14:39 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Paul, try buying it from the French, they will sell anything to anybody. :)

Wed Jan 28 21:15:03 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:and stand on the sidelines too

Wed Jan 28 21:15:35 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Welcome back Russ

Wed Jan 28 21:15:52 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Oh yeah all it needed was a little tin foil and a 9 volt battery

Wed Jan 28 21:16:24 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:do not deal with them al all now

Wed Jan 28 21:16:27 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Sound like the hillbillie is coming out of ya

Wed Jan 28 21:16:29 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Beth, I saw you talking about the decker. . .I love those

Wed Jan 28 21:16:51 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I feel like a hill billy with this land line connection

Wed Jan 28 21:17:18 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I bet

Wed Jan 28 21:17:20 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:My favorite is the decker topper

Wed Jan 28 21:17:45 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:what model is that Russ

Wed Jan 28 21:17:55 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it is the same pump gun set up without the cart

Wed Jan 28 21:18:13 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Gotcha ya

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Wed Jan 28 21:18:35 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it is designed to be placed on top of a 5 gallon pail, but it works great with drums too

Wed Jan 28 21:18:51 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:any sign of these defelting pads ?

Wed Jan 28 21:18:56 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Like you new 30 gal containers

Wed Jan 28 21:19:03 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:they are small so you can have one for the chems and one for the sealers

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Wed Jan 28 21:19:46 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Have you seen the pumptec pump?

Wed Jan 28 21:19:54 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:No

Wed Jan 28 21:19:54 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:working on the defelting pads

Wed Jan 28 21:20:12 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:It works nothing like a sureflow. It is a positive displacement piston pump

Wed Jan 28 21:20:41 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:It is absolutely ideal for this type of application

Wed Jan 28 21:21:16 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Will this come on the deckster

Wed Jan 28 21:21:43 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Very easy to work on. I completly rebuilt one for Reed Smith and it only took about 30 min. (don't tell him, I think I billed him for an hour!)

Wed Jan 28 21:22:07 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I would think so, it is the best available.

Wed Jan 28 21:22:27 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:hey Russ That will be our little secret

Wed Jan 28 21:22:30 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Actually I was converting his from 12V to 110 at the same time

Wed Jan 28 21:22:54 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Beth will argue with me about this, but I much prefer the 110 v

Wed Jan 28 21:24:14 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:How many in here use a maintnance contract?

Wed Jan 28 21:24:31 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:how many think beth should add a spell checker?

Wed Jan 28 21:24:39 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:meeeee

Wed Jan 28 21:24:59 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:i use a maintence plan

Wed Jan 28 21:25:08 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:I have been married over 35 years and she is very low maintenance.

Wed Jan 28 21:25:15 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:maintenance plans rock

Wed Jan 28 21:26:06 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:how do you all charge your customers for the maintenance plans?

Wed Jan 28 21:26:07 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:got to go to bed sorry all *choochoo*

Wed Jan 28 21:26:20 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:real quick, what state is everyone from?

Wed Jan 28 21:26:25 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:NJ

Wed Jan 28 21:26:25 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Night Paul!

Wed Jan 28 21:26:35 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:See ya Paul

Wed Jan 28 21:26:48 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:GA, Night Paul.

Wed Jan 28 21:26:55 2004:paul-uk [0/] Msg:byeeee

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Wed Jan 28 21:28:11 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl, where from?

Wed Jan 28 21:28:15 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Guy?

Wed Jan 28 21:28:19 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Guy?

Wed Jan 28 21:28:25 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Virginia gloucester

Wed Jan 28 21:28:36 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Ahhh, right

Wed Jan 28 21:28:43 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Sorry just had to do that

Wed Jan 28 21:28:46 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Mattia?

Wed Jan 28 21:29:08 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, when you were here in ga., did you find the wood generally over 15%?

Wed Jan 28 21:29:32 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:moisture?

Wed Jan 28 21:29:36 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:yes

Wed Jan 28 21:30:34 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Here one for ya russ what the highest moisture % you can go with applying wwodtux?

Wed Jan 28 21:30:42 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Jim, I am sorry to admit that when I was in Atlanta, I did not even test for moisture. We hit it with about 3000 psi, sanded for a day or so and returned in about a week and stained it wet or dry

Wed Jan 28 21:31:13 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Blown off my chair.

Wed Jan 28 21:31:14 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Wow where you green behind the ears

Wed Jan 28 21:31:20 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I am all set to pop with that information this spring. Currently it is recommended below 13%

Wed Jan 28 21:31:34 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:some of us have used it higher

Wed Jan 28 21:31:46 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg::/

Wed Jan 28 21:31:52 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I had no idea what I was doing and there was NO ONE to teach me

Wed Jan 28 21:31:59 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:How is the test going Beth with the rain application?

Wed Jan 28 21:32:22 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:there were a few companies but that is how everyone did it

Wed Jan 28 21:32:32 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:it can be rained on about 30 minutes after application

Wed Jan 28 21:32:40 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Gee...that was last summer!

Wed Jan 28 21:33:10 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I was just wondering how it has held up

Wed Jan 28 21:33:29 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:how do u maintain that wood tux

Wed Jan 28 21:34:02 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:wash with efc-38

Wed Jan 28 21:34:16 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:re apply at about 25 sq/ft per gallon

Wed Jan 28 21:34:32 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:every 2 to 3 years

Wed Jan 28 21:34:50 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:strip with HD-80 every 12-15 years

Wed Jan 28 21:35:05 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ 25 sqft a gal. did you miss a zero

Wed Jan 28 21:35:11 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Beth, you mentioned vertical surfaces earlier. I need to do strip and stain a wood pool house in the next 4 weeks. Any special techniques I should be aware of?

Wed Jan 28 21:35:13 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:brighten as needed with Citralic

Wed Jan 28 21:35:19 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:yep

Wed Jan 28 21:35:30 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:what is efc58

Wed Jan 28 21:35:35 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:38

Wed Jan 28 21:35:49 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:percarbonate?

Wed Jan 28 21:35:53 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:A great precarb cleaner

Wed Jan 28 21:35:55 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Yes and more

Wed Jan 28 21:36:09 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it will strip most semi-transparent sealers

Wed Jan 28 21:36:15 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Here we go with the secrets again lol

Wed Jan 28 21:36:21 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:It is a neat formulation

Wed Jan 28 21:36:25 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:tricky pH

Wed Jan 28 21:37:05 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it shoots up to burn through the finish and then buffers bring it back to about 7 to 7.5 so you don't have to neutralize

Wed Jan 28 21:37:11 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:so what ur saying is u need to strip to maintain

Wed Jan 28 21:37:40 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:To strip and seal a vertical...

Wed Jan 28 21:37:59 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:not at all, use efc-35 at about 30 to 50% stregnth just to clean the surface and open the surface barrier a little to give it some tooth

Wed Jan 28 21:38:04 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:you need to make sur you have enough dwell time on the vertical.

Wed Jan 28 21:38:20 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:scratch at it, don't rinse too soon.

Wed Jan 28 21:38:21 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:efc-38

Wed Jan 28 21:38:22 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Dwell time was my concern.

Wed Jan 28 21:38:52 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:Did u day it was a penetrating stain

Wed Jan 28 21:38:54 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:It's longer. what's coming off the wood and how old?

Wed Jan 28 21:38:56 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:say

Wed Jan 28 21:39:24 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:yes!

Wed Jan 28 21:39:39 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:it dives great.

Wed Jan 28 21:39:44 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Beth, an old stain. The building is only 4 yrs. old but it looks 15.

Wed Jan 28 21:39:48 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:how is it going to penetrate if u dont strip it off?

Wed Jan 28 21:40:17 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Use HD-80 4 to6 oz per gallon.

Wed Jan 28 21:40:25 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:test it first

Wed Jan 28 21:40:32 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Carl do you strip readyseal on your maitenance coats?

Wed Jan 28 21:40:41 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:nope never

Wed Jan 28 21:40:46 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Ready seal comes of with EFC

Wed Jan 28 21:40:51 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:very easy

Wed Jan 28 21:40:56 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:I sure hope you are going to post this chat like you did the others.

Wed Jan 28 21:41:06 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:yes

Wed Jan 28 21:41:13 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Carl- if you open the surface barrier you will be getting to oils that are not through cured so there is no problem with bonding and it will not sheen

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Wed Jan 28 21:42:41 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Jim once you get to bare wood on the test area then you can work on other areas

Wed Jan 28 21:42:41 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:ok got it

Wed Jan 28 21:42:44 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Woodtux was engeneerd to be used as part of a "preservation system". We intended for it to be applied and cared for by professionals

Wed Jan 28 21:42:52 2004:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Well its about that time. good night every one

Wed Jan 28 21:42:55 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:give it a good 20 minutes per coat

Wed Jan 28 21:43:27 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Night.

Wed Jan 28 21:43:34 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Beth, how about that spell checker?

Wed Jan 28 21:43:41 2004:Firedkm [0/] Logout:_

Wed Jan 28 21:43:44 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Night Jim

Wed Jan 28 21:43:58 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:So Matt whe are you gonna start doing decks?

Wed Jan 28 21:44:04 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:No. Taht was for Firedkm.

Wed Jan 28 21:44:22 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Ahh

Wed Jan 28 21:44:23 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Night Jim

Wed Jan 28 21:44:28 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:I'll post the chat

Wed Jan 28 21:44:42 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:It's all so confusing!

Wed Jan 28 21:45:00 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Are there any open questions?

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Wed Jan 28 21:45:15 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Welcome Ryan

Wed Jan 28 21:45:21 2004:RyanH [0/] Msg:Thankyou.

Wed Jan 28 21:45:32 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Msg:well it was nice talking to u all and i will talk to u later nite all

Wed Jan 28 21:45:43 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Night Carl

Wed Jan 28 21:45:50 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:night carl

Wed Jan 28 21:45:57 2004:QuikCarl [0/] Logout:_

Wed Jan 28 21:46:04 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Did you have any questions Ryan?

Wed Jan 28 21:46:11 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Night Carl.

Wed Jan 28 21:46:13 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:well I'm turning in soon

Wed Jan 28 21:46:18 2004:RyanH [0/] Msg:Not really....just checking out to see what the chats were like. Never been in one before.

Wed Jan 28 21:46:26 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Ryan

Wed Jan 28 21:46:35 2004:RyanH [0/] Msg:I couldn't pull myself away from the house chores early enough to join.

Wed Jan 28 21:46:56 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:You have to convince her it is work

Wed Jan 28 21:47:06 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:I'll post the transcript. You be able to read it if you like

Wed Jan 28 21:47:31 2004:RyanH [0/] Msg:Hello Beth / Rod (which one is here?). I'm getting very excited about building the new equipment from the new store you guys are putting together.

Wed Jan 28 21:47:47 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Ryan, they are fantastic.. Read the transcript when it is posted.

Wed Jan 28 21:48:33 2004:RyanH [0/] Msg:I will do that. I have had some customers asking if I also do woodcare. Like a good professional, I say "not yet, but I'm learning." I am learning a great deal because of this board. It is priceless.

Wed Jan 28 21:49:04 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Glad to hear you say that

Wed Jan 28 21:49:27 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I try to be here to help each Wed night

Wed Jan 28 21:49:35 2004:RyanH [0/] Msg:Okay, I'll check out the transcript later. Time to go and spend time with my new wife ;) Take care everyone.

Wed Jan 28 21:49:45 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:You too

Wed Jan 28 21:49:48 2004:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Thank you :)

Wed Jan 28 21:49:51 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:thanks for joining

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Wed Jan 28 21:51:02 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, before I go. I think I am going to need some help on about 20 decks at a condo here in atl. Do you know of anyone you could point me to?

Wed Jan 28 21:51:41 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Not off hand

Wed Jan 28 21:51:52 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Just thouhgt I would ask.

Wed Jan 28 21:52:07 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I will keep thinking

Wed Jan 28 21:52:34 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I can check with a few of our customers and see if they would like to work with you

Wed Jan 28 21:52:43 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:We have a few in that area

Wed Jan 28 21:53:02 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:That would be great.

Wed Jan 28 21:53:40 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I will talk to Beth and find out who would be a likely candidate and have her forward you contact information.

Wed Jan 28 21:53:57 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Great

Wed Jan 28 21:54:47 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Guy, you have been quiet.

Wed Jan 28 21:54:56 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Have you got any thoughts or questions?

Wed Jan 28 21:55:24 2004:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Well I am going to pull the plug on this end. I want to wish all of you a very warm weekend, something over 40 degrees. Bye all.

Wed Jan 28 21:55:32 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:I think our thrilling conversation has lulled him to sleep

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Wed Jan 28 21:57:48 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Well, if there are no more questions, I think I will also call it a night.

Wed Jan 28 21:59:33 2004:Russ.C [0/] Msg:Thank you all for joining Wed Night Wood Chat. Hope to see you back next week.

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