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02/10/05 20:03:21 BethnRod Logs in [63.159.49.21]

02/10/05 20:03:40 BethnRod: Welcome to the chat

02/10/05 20:15:04 MikeIN Logs in [4.252.70.156]

02/10/05 20:15:13 MikeIN Logs Out

02/10/05 20:17:00 Jeffrey_Robison Logs in [68.19.120.46]

02/10/05 20:17:12 BethnRod: evening Jeff

02/10/05 20:17:30 Jeffrey_Robison: hello

02/10/05 20:18:03 BethnRod: where are you from?

02/10/05 20:18:05 Jeffrey_Robison: Have you ever cleaned playground equipment at a daycare:

02/10/05 20:18:10 Jeffrey_Robison: Atlanta GA

02/10/05 20:18:23 BethnRod: we bid one, but didn't get it.

02/10/05 20:18:41 BethnRod: we have done swingsets for people tho...wooden ones

02/10/05 20:18:41 Jeffrey_Robison: I have one on saturday, thinking heavy bleach for the grime and stuff

02/10/05 20:19:11 Jeffrey_Robison: This is the commercial rubber coated steel, and plastic stuff

02/10/05 20:19:16 BethnRod: make sure to rinse tthoroughly. what type of structures are they

02/10/05 20:19:21 BethnRod: ah

02/10/05 20:20:03 BethnRod: use the bleach at 1/2 cup to a gallon of water

02/10/05 20:20:19 BethnRod: too much will dry out the rubber/plastic

02/10/05 20:20:20 Jeffrey_Robison: do you have your prices of shurflo's with viton seals on your website? i didn't see them

02/10/05 20:20:42 Jeffrey_Robison: I had not thought about the drying out part!!

02/10/05 20:20:46 BethnRod: I may have not gotten that far, but we have the whole pumptek line

02/10/05 20:21:11 scottk Logs in [68.217.222.162]

02/10/05 20:21:19 BethnRod: Hi scott

02/10/05 20:21:23 Jeffrey_Robison: is this big scott from south ga

02/10/05 20:21:29 scottk: yep

02/10/05 20:21:41 Jeffrey_Robison: jeff from titan

02/10/05 20:21:47 scottk: hi jeff

02/10/05 20:21:56 Jeffrey_Robison: coming to atlanta this week?

02/10/05 20:22:16 scottk: nope

02/10/05 20:22:32 scottk: we have all ofour crew this weekend

02/10/05 20:22:49 Jeffrey_Robison: pwna ran you off? i am having second thoughts, but will go and see

02/10/05 20:22:50 scottk: we do our best not to travel with all 5 unless we have to

02/10/05 20:22:55 Jeffrey_Robison: That is a big crew

02/10/05 20:23:22 Jeffrey_Robison: Beth, any used hose reels?

02/10/05 20:23:45 BethnRod: don't have any used ones.

02/10/05 20:24:23 King_of_the_Universe Logs in [4.252.70.156]

02/10/05 20:24:27 scottk: jeff you looking for pressure reels

02/10/05 20:24:32 Jeffrey_Robison: Scott I called the place you told me too, but the core is too small for a water hose he said.

02/10/05 20:24:42 BethnRod: King of the Universe...do you have a name?

02/10/05 20:24:43 scottk: sorry

02/10/05 20:24:44 King_of_the_Universe: here I come, straight from the I 75 overpass :)

02/10/05 20:24:49 scottk: lol

02/10/05 20:25:10 King_of_the_Universe: let me go change my name :)

02/10/05 20:25:13 King_of_the_Universe Logs Out

02/10/05 20:25:31 Mike_IN Logs in [4.252.70.156]

02/10/05 20:25:38 BethnRod: Hi Mike

02/10/05 20:25:45 Jeffrey_Robison: Hello

02/10/05 20:25:46 Mike_IN: hey everyone

02/10/05 20:25:48 BethnRod: you getting snow there?

02/10/05 20:25:48 scottk: jeff do you remember what my hose reels looked like???

02/10/05 20:26:04 scottk: the bluee cox reels?

02/10/05 20:26:07 scottk: blue

02/10/05 20:26:08 Mike_IN: yeah we got the white stuff all day, but not much accumulation

02/10/05 20:26:09 Jeffrey_Robison: Yes, from Northern right? I thought that would do the trick

02/10/05 20:26:11 scottk: hi Mike

02/10/05 20:26:15 scottk: yes

02/10/05 20:26:18 Mike_IN: hey scott

02/10/05 20:26:50 Jeffrey_Robison: Scott, what did you use for the playground equipment at the park, I have a daycare on Saturday

02/10/05 20:27:15 scottk: $169 I just looked at them online...that rpice is hard to beat....most other places sell the same reel for $189

02/10/05 20:27:34 scottk: We use a weak bleach/citrcleen mix

02/10/05 20:28:02 Jeffrey_Robison: Did it clean well? Pretty much spray on, rinse off?

02/10/05 20:28:13 BethnRod: I really like the regional chat idea

02/10/05 20:28:18 scottk: yes,it cleans great

02/10/05 20:28:42 Jeffrey_Robison: Perfect!!, I think this could lead into a big chain, if I can get to the right people.

02/10/05 20:28:48 Mike_IN: sounds like a good idea beth, we'll see it it flys :)

02/10/05 20:28:52 scottk: what chain?

02/10/05 20:29:16 Jeffrey_Robison: A big one, I will let you know how it goes.

02/10/05 20:29:17 scottk: we just bid one for a chain down here

02/10/05 20:29:44 Mike_IN: Scott just so you know, between your comment & Bob's I am still laughing

02/10/05 20:29:58 scottk: good to know I make someoen laugh

02/10/05 20:30:03 scottk: someone

02/10/05 20:30:21 Jeffrey_Robison: I have been working on about 100 centers in Atlanta, not all one chain. I have been marketing to different ones and finally getting somewhere.

02/10/05 20:30:38 scottk: CF is the initials of the chain we are working on

02/10/05 20:30:55 Jeffrey_Robison: CF?

02/10/05 20:31:05 scottk: childrens friend

02/10/05 20:31:12 Jeffrey_Robison: Never heard of them

02/10/05 20:31:40 scottk: they have over 100 locations state wide

02/10/05 20:31:52 Jeffrey_Robison: Most equipment I have seen looks disgusting, no way I would have mine play on it. High dollar place to0.

02/10/05 20:32:19 Mike_IN: Jeffery, whats your "post" name?

02/10/05 20:32:36 scottk: yeah....we do a playhouse monthly of one daycare because they have cat issues

02/10/05 20:32:50 Jeffrey_Robison: No marketing to 100 different centers, different names, finally got hooked up with corporate of one and think they may mandate that all of them have it done.

02/10/05 20:33:06 Jeffrey_Robison: Post name Jeff Robison Titan Pressure Washing.

02/10/05 20:33:19 Mike_IN: Ok thanks, nice to meet you.

02/10/05 20:33:48 Jeffrey_Robison: I am a newbie like you, from your earlier various post.

02/10/05 20:34:13 scottk: childrens friend has over 100 locations....4 in albany alone

02/10/05 20:34:17 Mike_IN: I guess I'm still a newbie of sorts, I've been part time for a while now, but still learning :)

02/10/05 20:34:23 Jeffrey_Robison: Cat Issues???

02/10/05 20:34:46 Jeffrey_Robison: You bidding the whole chain, or just local

02/10/05 20:34:55 scottk: yeah teh cats from the surrounding area like to use the bathroom in the playhouse

02/10/05 20:35:32 Jeffrey_Robison: The colts, gonna finally do it this year?

02/10/05 20:35:42 scottk: just local for now...but i have let ot be know that we would clean within 150 mile ....or i would line them up with other contractors in other areas

02/10/05 20:35:43 Jeffrey_Robison: Good friends with Jeff Saturday , the center.

02/10/05 20:36:10 Mike_IN: haha, i wish. I am an atlanta braves fan, I have been for a long time, how use to it I am now seeing my teams make it to the playoffs and choke

02/10/05 20:36:19 Mike_IN: i re named the colts, the indianapolis braves

02/10/05 20:36:26 scottk: lol

02/10/05 20:36:27 Jeffrey_Robison: Could you charge for travel? Or it's just built in?

02/10/05 20:36:50 Jeffrey_Robison: HA HA HA the braves are funny like that.

02/10/05 20:37:30 scottk: i would build it in to the price if we were to do them all

02/10/05 20:37:47 Jeffrey_Robison: sounds good, hope it works out.

02/10/05 20:37:56 Jeffrey_Robison: Beth, busy up north?

02/10/05 20:38:10 scottk: i would prefer to do the SW ga locations only

02/10/05 20:38:14 Mike_IN: Beth's always busy doing something

02/10/05 20:38:33 BethnRod: we're getting busier

02/10/05 20:38:53 BethnRod: January is always slower, but it's picking up and we are getting alot of calls now.

02/10/05 20:38:56 Jeffrey_Robison: The big one I am hoping to land has South GA locations, so maybe if it happens we can work something out.

02/10/05 20:39:07 BethnRod: deck, houses, gutters, commercial work,

02/10/05 20:39:43 Jeffrey_Robison: decks seem real profitable, but I cannot seem to get interested in it. Mine is horrible.

02/10/05 20:39:48 scottk: Sounds like a plan....i try to stay out of Atl so i could try and throw you the work from the one we are bidding

02/10/05 20:40:04 Mike_IN: Scott, did you post photos from your RT? or is it like vegas.. what happens in GA stays in GA ?

02/10/05 20:40:12 scottk: decks??????hahahaha....we have given up on decks

02/10/05 20:40:19 BethnRod: 'we love decks, but then we are wood lovers.

02/10/05 20:40:28 scottk: they are on TCN in teh orange fever section

02/10/05 20:40:42 Jeffrey_Robison: Not much happened in Albany. As far as action

02/10/05 20:40:46 BethnRod: we didn't get in to this for the power washing, we got into it for decks

02/10/05 20:40:47 Mike_IN: ok thanks

02/10/05 20:41:04 Jeffrey_Robison: The RT was great and I learned a lot. Kind of fired me up!!!

02/10/05 20:41:10 BethnRod: the power washing was a part of the process we needed to learn, so we learned to do other things too

02/10/05 20:41:15 Mike_IN: great to hear Jeff

02/10/05 20:41:32 BethnRod: you guys should try one of the DC round tables.

02/10/05 20:41:36 Mike_IN: Scott & Steve seem to be good people to get hooked up with down there

02/10/05 20:41:43 Jeffrey_Robison: Too far for me!!!

02/10/05 20:41:54 Jeffrey_Robison: Going to the one in ATL this weekend.

02/10/05 20:42:12 scottk: wow...i have mike fooled

02/10/05 20:42:14 BethnRod: we have some folks staying in town one or two days

02/10/05 20:42:17 scottk: lol

02/10/05 20:42:41 Jeffrey_Robison: they only let Scott out on the weekends to see his kids.

02/10/05 20:42:50 BethnRod: some of us get together after the round table too

02/10/05 20:43:12 Jeffrey_Robison: Did anything happen after we left Scott?? I had to hit the road.

02/10/05 20:43:21 Mike_IN: they wont let scott anywhere near DC, he scares the secret service

02/10/05 20:43:58 scottk: final totals for our meeting were: 21 contractors from 7 states,from what Steve says it's one of the biggest meetings hehas had

02/10/05 20:44:00 BethnRod: we see the SS up here on the beltway sometimes

02/10/05 20:44:08 Mike_IN: *evil*

02/10/05 20:44:21 scottk: some of us went outto dinner later sat.night but that is it

02/10/05 20:44:57 scottk: I'm kind of like a pitbull MIke.......you can look but don't try to pet

02/10/05 20:45:04 Jeffrey_Robison: everybody seemed great. that is one thing I love about this business. Just good people trying to make a living

02/10/05 20:45:05 Mike_IN: *meow* bad cat, stay away from the play house!

02/10/05 20:45:54 Jeffrey_Robison: Did you get rid of the American Bulldogs. Those are awesome dogs. We house sit for one every so often

02/10/05 20:46:04 Jeffrey_Robison: Full blooded?

02/10/05 20:46:39 scottk: they are full blooded but tehy don't have papers

02/10/05 20:46:41 Mike_IN: beth you need to have a big grime scene get together in the off season next time and get us all to come up

02/10/05 20:46:58 BethnRod: Might have to do that!!!

02/10/05 20:47:25 Jeffrey_Robison: I wanted one but have 3 kids, 2 big dogs, Lab and Part Mastiff, my wife would have flipped.

02/10/05 20:47:35 scottk: but let Mike know a week in advance so he can dig his way out of the snow..................lol

02/10/05 20:48:30 Jeffrey_Robison: Beth how is the sprinter working out? I am looking for a good box truck right now

02/10/05 20:48:34 Mike_IN: tell me about it scott, im sick of this snow, its gonna warm up soon though

02/10/05 20:49:01 BethnRod: Jeff, we love the sprinter. look at them. seriously. Only thing we want to buy anymore is a sprinter.

02/10/05 20:49:01 scottk: it was 74 yesterday and will be 28 tonight....how mesed up is that

02/10/05 20:49:08 Jeffrey_Robison: Indianapolis is nice, one of my biggest accounts is in Marion.

02/10/05 20:49:32 Mike_IN: it was mid 70s in florida when I went down this past weekend, sooooooo nice

02/10/05 20:49:50 scottk: did you drive down?

02/10/05 20:49:57 Jeffrey_Robison: I will wait until I get a little more established first. No need to get ahead of myself.

02/10/05 20:50:06 Mike_IN: when we flew back it was directly over atlanta, I saw turner field and the georgia dome, I was kinda surprised I was able to see it

02/10/05 20:50:09 Mike_IN: i flew

02/10/05 20:50:39 Mike_IN: Whats in marion Jeff?

02/10/05 20:50:51 scottk: i was going to say...if you drove and didn't blow the horn on the way by i was gonna be mad

02/10/05 20:51:14 Jeffrey_Robison: CVS Systems, they buy a lot of flags. I am operations manager for a manufacturing company

02/10/05 20:51:19 Mike_IN: I go to south florida, so its like 24 hours of driving, not my cup of tea, its a 2 hour flight

02/10/05 20:51:47 Mike_IN: CVS is all over up here

02/10/05 20:52:19 Jeffrey_Robison: they originated in the satellite market and for some reason got into flags. Impressive company

02/10/05 20:52:32 Mike_IN: not to mention, last time I drove down I 75 there was a georgia state cop at every exit it seemed

02/10/05 20:52:53 Jeffrey_Robison: NOT CVS the pharmacy

02/10/05 20:52:57 Mike_IN: they get sneaky in GA, and clock you from the over passes, not very fair

02/10/05 20:53:00 jbpowerwashing Logs in [207.43.155.169]

02/10/05 20:53:05 Mike_IN: Hey Barry

02/10/05 20:53:07 scottk: hey barry

02/10/05 20:53:12 BethnRod: hi barry

02/10/05 20:53:21 jbpowerwashing: Hey all

02/10/05 20:53:40 scottk: nothing wrong with GHP...how do you think they afford those fancy cars......................lol

02/10/05 20:53:49 Mike_IN: is it cold up north ? :)

02/10/05 20:53:59 scottk: dude you have to look up once in a while

02/10/05 20:54:08 Mike_IN: they do have some nice cars

02/10/05 20:54:48 Jeffrey_Robison: Beth, how many employees do you have?

02/10/05 20:54:56 jbpowerwashing: not bad 27 for a high today

02/10/05 20:55:08 Jeffrey_Robison: Rod still doing most of the work, or employees

02/10/05 20:55:20 scottk: wooohooo...break out the shorts and flip-flops

02/10/05 20:55:39 BethnRod: It varies. normally in peak season we run between 6 and 12. Last fall for one project there were 26 of us, but just for that project.

02/10/05 20:55:55 BethnRod: we have employees, but he is on certain projects.

02/10/05 20:55:57 Mike_IN: i was so depressed packing away my shorts again, thats all i brought to FL, and wore them 24/7

02/10/05 20:56:05 Jeffrey_Robison: That's great

02/10/05 20:56:15 Mike_IN: 26? what was that beth?

02/10/05 20:56:32 jbpowerwashing: won't be long it will be hot and humid again

02/10/05 20:56:32 BethnRod: Hotel - construction cleaning - tight deadline.

02/10/05 20:56:36 Mike_IN: barry you said you had some ?'s

02/10/05 20:56:53 Mike_IN: true barry, i am waiting for that for sure

02/10/05 20:57:00 Jeffrey_Robison: Anybody advertise in local papers? About to place my first one. 2"x4" for a month straight.

02/10/05 20:57:10 BethnRod: we have 4 crews in the building cleaning in blocks of rooms

02/10/05 20:57:29 scottk: we did the paper last year...had 3 calls and only one paying job from it

02/10/05 20:57:31 Mike_IN: papers can be great, they usally have a "service" area you can adevertise in for not much money at all

02/10/05 20:57:35 Jeffrey_Robison: A lot of new construction clean up??

02/10/05 20:57:46 scottk: but remember how differentthe market is down here

02/10/05 20:57:53 BethnRod: yes. that was all new construction cleaning. we do a fair amount of that.

02/10/05 20:57:55 Mike_IN: thats true

02/10/05 20:58:12 Jeffrey_Robison: Avoiding the service guide and going with a full ad. Hopefully it will seperate me from the painters.

02/10/05 20:58:21 Mike_IN: most of the calls I got was because of gutters, cleaning them in the fall, I guess you dont have the leaf problem we have down south

02/10/05 20:58:36 jbpowerwashing: not sure now if I can afford the conv/boot camp, feeling down about it

02/10/05 20:58:52 Mike_IN: barry I wouldnt worry about it

02/10/05 20:59:07 Jeffrey_Robison: Who goes to the convention?

02/10/05 20:59:14 Mike_IN: there will be alot there for you see

02/10/05 20:59:23 jbpowerwashing: Just feel like it would help a lot

02/10/05 20:59:32 BethnRod: pwna members and non-members and lots of newbies, and some old timers too

02/10/05 20:59:48 Mike_IN: check out the house washing class, it's not extra. I think there's also a newbie class

02/10/05 20:59:49 BethnRod: then GO.

02/10/05 20:59:56 Jeffrey_Robison: Gutter cleaning is an area of interest, but alot of high gutters around here, I am not breaking my neck for a little more $$

02/10/05 21:00:17 BethnRod: There are good things to be learned at the conventions.

02/10/05 21:00:26 Mike_IN: Jeff, get a good heavy duty ladder with a stabalizer and rake in some cash

02/10/05 21:00:37 scottk: Barry attending teh conv. isn't goingto make or break your company.....admittedly you might have learned a lot but with the different BBS you should be able to gain the knowledge youare after

02/10/05 21:00:45 Jeffrey_Robison: I need a heavy duty one to hold my big ass.

02/10/05 21:01:00 jbpowerwashing: I'm trying to include it in my start up costs, we'll see

02/10/05 21:01:09 Mike_IN: haha jeff, I would not go smaller then a 300lb ladder

02/10/05 21:01:35 scottk: if you need a big ladder jeff...then i must need a crane...........lol

02/10/05 21:01:38 Mike_IN: barry, you can learn alot from working with guys in your area also, on job triaing for free, you'll just have to work for it :)

02/10/05 21:01:53 Mike_IN: training

02/10/05 21:02:00 Jeffrey_Robison: that would do, what ladders do you guys recommend, Little Giant??

02/10/05 21:02:11 jbpowerwashing: true

02/10/05 21:02:35 Mike_IN: i have werner ladders, rated at 300lbs 24'

02/10/05 21:02:42 scottk: i prefer the fiberglass extentions(werners)

02/10/05 21:02:46 jbpowerwashing: its tough with a full time job but I know it would help

02/10/05 21:02:54 Jeffrey_Robison: Weighing about 260 right now, need to get to 242 for a competition.

02/10/05 21:02:56 scottk: giants are nice but pricey

02/10/05 21:03:04 Mike_IN: same here scott, fiberglass werners are the best I think

02/10/05 21:03:13 jbpowerwashing: thinking of changing company name

02/10/05 21:03:28 scottk: oh man i weigh 290

02/10/05 21:03:30 Jeffrey_Robison: I did this week, having new cards printed up

02/10/05 21:03:34 jbpowerwashing: from J&B Powerwashing to Midwest Pro Wash

02/10/05 21:03:38 scottk: jeff you are such a light weight

02/10/05 21:03:47 scottk: il iek the latter barry

02/10/05 21:03:52 scottk: like

02/10/05 21:04:10 Jeffrey_Robison: Titan pressure washing to Titan Exterior Cleaning. Expanding my services a little bit.

02/10/05 21:04:27 scottk: I went with Karvonen's Pro Clean for several reasons

02/10/05 21:04:37 Mike_IN: I use exterior in my name, not pressure washing, it allows me to expand my services

02/10/05 21:04:38 Jeffrey_Robison: Gutters, more commercial hopefully.

02/10/05 21:04:55 Jeffrey_Robison: I like the Pro Clean

02/10/05 21:05:16 scottk: it left the door open for janitorial and other forms of cleaning if we expand later...and by using our name no one else will try to take it

02/10/05 21:05:40 Jeffrey_Robison: When you go international will you drop the Karvonen??

02/10/05 21:05:43 scottk: yes we are the only Karvonen's in the state

02/10/05 21:05:56 Rod Logs in [63.159.49.21]

02/10/05 21:05:59 jbpowerwashing: I agree you have to look ahead

02/10/05 21:06:00 Mike_IN: hey Rod

02/10/05 21:06:11 Rod: sup Mike!

02/10/05 21:06:14 scottk: naw we'll keep in and add the international

02/10/05 21:06:15 jbpowerwashing: hello

02/10/05 21:06:18 Mike_IN: a name should be simple, catchy and leave room for expansion

02/10/05 21:06:21 scottk: whatsup rod

02/10/05 21:06:22 Rod: hello jb

02/10/05 21:06:31 Brian_Sawyer Logs in [68.209.234.247]

02/10/05 21:06:36 Mike_IN: hey brian

02/10/05 21:06:41 Rod: dust! been cleaning

02/10/05 21:06:42 Brian_Sawyer: Hi

02/10/05 21:06:50 Brian_Sawyer: That was a pain

02/10/05 21:06:58 jbpowerwashing: hey brian

02/10/05 21:07:10 Mike_IN: barry, email me hoosiermike@hotmail.com and I'll answer any questions I can. I'm also part time.

02/10/05 21:07:16 Jeffrey_Robison: How long were you part time scott

02/10/05 21:07:20 jbpowerwashing: k

02/10/05 21:07:35 Mike_IN: but feel free to ask questions now to

02/10/05 21:07:40 Mike_IN: thats why we are all here :)

02/10/05 21:07:43 scottk: we PW part time for a year

02/10/05 21:07:44 jbpowerwashing: I am interested in info on a local roundtable mike

02/10/05 21:07:55 Jeffrey_Robison: Brian, where are you from

02/10/05 21:07:58 scottk: we were washing windows fulltime back then

02/10/05 21:07:59 Rod: hi Brian

02/10/05 21:08:01 Brian_Sawyer: KNoxville TN

02/10/05 21:08:06 Mike_IN: barry, I am talking to a few guys about getting one set up

02/10/05 21:08:29 Jeffrey_Robison: Screw windows, I don't have the patience.

02/10/05 21:08:35 Mike_IN: I'll post information about it for sure if we can get it worked out

02/10/05 21:08:37 Rod Logs in [63.159.49.21]

02/10/05 21:08:41 Brian_Sawyer: I'm considering starting a PW business. I'm reading and learning all that I can

02/10/05 21:08:51 jbpowerwashing: bye rod, hi rod

02/10/05 21:08:53 scottk: lol....i hatet hem..but they are super easy work and fast money

02/10/05 21:09:04 scottk: hate them

02/10/05 21:09:05 Rod: huh, am i here? or there?

02/10/05 21:09:07 Mike_IN: Welcome to the mess brian :)

02/10/05 21:09:20 Jeffrey_Robison: Brian, you have come to a very good place, I started a year ago and hit the BBS all the time and learn something new all the time.

02/10/05 21:09:22 Brian_Sawyer: Thanks

02/10/05 21:09:23 Rod: modem trauma

02/10/05 21:09:26 Mike_IN: i dont do windows either :(

02/10/05 21:09:29 BethnRod: *) *slap*

02/10/05 21:09:38 jbpowerwashing: ouch

02/10/05 21:09:42 Brian_Sawyer: Theres alot out there to soak up.

02/10/05 21:09:44 scottk: we do commercial more than residential

02/10/05 21:09:58 Rod: that was meant for my modem

02/10/05 21:10:02 jbpowerwashing: u do residential right? mike

02/10/05 21:10:24 BethnRod: *choochoo* :o

02/10/05 21:10:26 Mike_IN: Brian, there sure is man, dont be afraid to jump in anytime either, read read read and ask questions :)

02/10/05 21:10:28 Jeffrey_Robison: I just have to find out what works best for my schedule. My full time gig is good and not looking to leave it.

02/10/05 21:10:32 Mike_IN: barry yep

02/10/05 21:10:32 scottk: residential windows pay great but i hate working around all the stuff people have in their homes

02/10/05 21:11:31 BethnRod: so do we.

02/10/05 21:11:37 Brian_Sawyer: I'm probaly going to drive down to Atlanta for the round table that is this weekend

02/10/05 21:11:51 Brian_Sawyer: I hope to get some good info there

02/10/05 21:11:53 BethnRod: it should be good

02/10/05 21:11:59 jbpowerwashing: think I should buy used or new PW

02/10/05 21:12:09 jbpowerwashing: cold water

02/10/05 21:12:11 Jeffrey_Robison: That would be good!! A good place to start and meet some nice people

02/10/05 21:12:12 BethnRod: if you can afford new, get new

02/10/05 21:12:19 Mike_IN: barry, get up on a ladder and clean some gutters this spring, its a good start. develop some good relationships with clients, then you can sell them on your PWing, gutters can have very low overhead cost

02/10/05 21:12:21 scottk: you looking for a skid or cold water barry

02/10/05 21:12:28 Jeffrey_Robison: I found a very good cheap used unit.

02/10/05 21:12:40 BethnRod: hot or cold

02/10/05 21:12:46 Jeffrey_Robison: when i started, just look hard and don't jump too early.

02/10/05 21:12:47 jbpowerwashing: cold

02/10/05 21:12:50 BethnRod: if hot how many hours on it

02/10/05 21:12:56 BethnRod: whoops nevermind

02/10/05 21:13:32 scottk: what is your budget for a machine barry?

02/10/05 21:13:47 Jeffrey_Robison: I AM looking for a smoking price on a used hot water unit. At least 5.5 if you know anyone.

02/10/05 21:14:07 jbpowerwashing: well I have about 5 grand to start up for everything

02/10/05 21:14:16 BethnRod: there were a couple things int he Bargain Basement forum

02/10/05 21:14:22 jbpowerwashing: I have no equipment

02/10/05 21:14:39 BethnRod: heck, we started with a used cold unit

02/10/05 21:14:44 scottk: are you going to do only residential work?

02/10/05 21:14:51 Mike_IN: barry if you just going to do residential work, cold water is fine, but if you want to do flat work or commercial, you'll want to get hot water one day

02/10/05 21:14:55 jbpowerwashing: basically my company only exists in my head right now

02/10/05 21:14:59 scottk: so did we Beth...still have it

02/10/05 21:15:01 Jeffrey_Robison: I got into it for 4,000 for the equipment. Hot water, surface cleaner, wands, trailer, misc. thats why I said don't jump at the first thing you see.

02/10/05 21:15:01 Mike_IN: i still use cold water myself.

02/10/05 21:15:07 BethnRod: same here

02/10/05 21:15:56 jbpowerwashing: Since it will be part time I will put money back into the company

02/10/05 21:15:57 Jeffrey_Robison: Rod, two 4.0 or one 8.0 machine, if you had your choice.

02/10/05 21:16:16 Jeffrey_Robison: Don't you have a 8.0

02/10/05 21:16:45 Rod: y es, we have an 8/2 gun system and a 4.6 single man unit

02/10/05 21:16:48 scottk: barry you are fine with a cold unit.....i know a lot of guys that strted with Lowes or HD $1000 cold units and they are doing good with them

02/10/05 21:16:57 jbpowerwashing: yes scott only res.

02/10/05 21:17:07 Rod: would rather have another 8.0 2/man, space saving,efficient\

02/10/05 21:17:45 Jeffrey_Robison: That is what I am thinking but have heard otherwise.

02/10/05 21:17:49 jbpowerwashing: really, HD sells high gpm machines?

02/10/05 21:17:52 Mike_IN: WOW this is bright

02/10/05 21:18:05 scottk: 3500psi/4gpm

02/10/05 21:18:06 Rod: like what??

02/10/05 21:18:07 Mike_IN: ok how about this?

02/10/05 21:18:17 BethnRod: ouch. yellow hurts

02/10/05 21:18:22 BethnRod: :(

02/10/05 21:18:24 Jeffrey_Robison: What if it goes down, you have nothing etc...

02/10/05 21:18:29 jbpowerwashing: pick a color any color

02/10/05 21:18:38 scottk: the rainbow

02/10/05 21:18:38 BethnRod: *whip* Bad yellow!

02/10/05 21:18:46 Mike_IN: sorry :)

02/10/05 21:18:50 BethnRod: lol

02/10/05 21:19:08 Mike_IN: *choochoo*

02/10/05 21:19:18 Mike_IN: there thats better

02/10/05 21:19:23 jbpowerwashing: nice

02/10/05 21:20:10 Mike_IN: I dont even think you need 3500 psi for doing houses scott

02/10/05 21:20:29 Mike_IN: most homes here are vinyl siding

02/10/05 21:20:37 jbpowerwashing: when I buy insurance do I have to buy for a full year or how does that work?

02/10/05 21:20:56 Jeffrey_Robison: Any body have a used Coress? or Pitch Witch for sale?

02/10/05 21:20:56 Rod Logs in [63.159.49.21]

02/10/05 21:21:12 BethnRod: yes! we have a used pitch witch

02/10/05 21:21:21 Brian_Sawyer: Does insurance cover any damage that you may cause?

02/10/05 21:21:28 scottk: 3500psi/4gpm...i never sadi that all 3500 psi had to be used

02/10/05 21:21:38 Jeffrey_Robison: Most damage, never had to use it.

02/10/05 21:21:52 scottk: i saw a new 24dft coress for $350 tonight

02/10/05 21:21:56 scottk: 24ft

02/10/05 21:22:02 Jeffrey_Robison: Joe Walters bills quarterly so you could back out I guess at six months

02/10/05 21:22:12 BethnRod: jeff - yes on the used pitch witch

02/10/05 21:22:33 jbpowerwashing: k, jeff

02/10/05 21:22:35 Jeffrey_Robison: How much? I'm interested

02/10/05 21:22:50 Jeffrey_Robison: The pitches are steep in Atl.

02/10/05 21:22:55 scottk: call me...and i'll fill you in

02/10/05 21:22:56 BethnRod: $150.00

02/10/05 21:23:01 jbpowerwashing: jeffrey, sorry

02/10/05 21:23:10 BethnRod: it has 5 nozzles

02/10/05 21:23:41 Jeffrey_Robison: I would be primarily working from the top

02/10/05 21:23:45 Mike_IN: Jeff, you need to get over you fear of ladders :D

02/10/05 21:23:49 scottk: that's a good price for the 5 nozzle

02/10/05 21:23:54 BethnRod: We have a new 24' extend-a-wand for 295.00

02/10/05 21:23:55 Jeffrey_Robison: What width are those?

02/10/05 21:24:12 jbpowerwashing: Hey mike what do you have for a rig

02/10/05 21:24:13 Jeffrey_Robison: Ease of use?

02/10/05 21:24:22 jbpowerwashing: truck, trailer?

02/10/05 21:24:32 Mike_IN: no trailer

02/10/05 21:24:35 BethnRod: nozzles on the pitch witch are 15 degre

02/10/05 21:24:39 jbpowerwashing: pickup

02/10/05 21:24:44 Mike_IN: 3000 psi 4gpm cold water

02/10/05 21:25:00 jbpowerwashing: cool

02/10/05 21:25:03 Mike_IN: work from my truck

02/10/05 21:25:17 Mike_IN: trailer... one day soon! :)

02/10/05 21:25:28 Jeffrey_Robison: You gonna buy it Scott?

02/10/05 21:25:29 jbpowerwashing: I understand

02/10/05 21:25:38 scottk: the wand???

02/10/05 21:25:39 jbpowerwashing: do you have a water tank

02/10/05 21:25:45 Jeffrey_Robison: yes

02/10/05 21:25:58 Mike_IN: i have one, but i havent used it yet, its in my garage

02/10/05 21:26:00 scottk: nope...i have a 24ft i'm happy with

02/10/05 21:26:15 Mike_IN: i have not had a water problem at any residential job I've done

02/10/05 21:26:33 jbpowerwashing: I know you were looking into some sample chems

02/10/05 21:26:34 Jeffrey_Robison: Buying it for roofs primarily, so I want it to be light!!

02/10/05 21:26:45 jbpowerwashing: did you decide on some

02/10/05 21:26:51 Mike_IN: yeah but that was a lost cause, haha

02/10/05 21:26:52 Rod Logs Out

02/10/05 21:27:02 Mike_IN: nobody wanted to share

02/10/05 21:27:03 jbpowerwashing: really

02/10/05 21:27:23 jbpowerwashing: doesn't seem right

02/10/05 21:27:26 BethnRod Logs Out

02/10/05 21:27:31 Mike_IN: to be honest, i've found things locally that work just as good

02/10/05 21:27:42 Jeffrey_Robison: No free samples surprises me.

02/10/05 21:27:54 scottk: jeff call me and i'll fill you in about the coress

02/10/05 21:28:04 Jeffrey_Robison: Will do!!

02/10/05 21:28:12 scottk: $350 is a great price

02/10/05 21:28:21 Jeffrey_Robison: Yes I know.

02/10/05 21:28:24 Mike_IN: Scott told me about purple power and it's my new best friend :)

02/10/05 21:28:35 jbpowerwashing: whats that

02/10/05 21:29:00 jbpowerwashing: house wash

02/10/05 21:29:01 scottk: a lot cheaper than guttershock or gutterzap

02/10/05 21:29:06 Jeffrey_Robison: Scott are most of the rt's like yours tis weekend.

02/10/05 21:29:12 Mike_IN: it's a degreaser

02/10/05 21:29:51 Jeffrey_Robison: Thinking about another, but not sure. Would like to see some demo's, Could not believe steve did not show something.

02/10/05 21:29:58 scottk: the ones that steve has are...now cujo's in Atl will be a little different because of the pwna format

02/10/05 21:30:13 jbpowerwashing: have you done any decks or fences yet mike

02/10/05 21:30:24 Mike_IN: to be honest barry, most homes I can clean with just water, if I do need a house wash its just a mild mix of soap and an anti mildew, but with all the vinyl siding here its easy to do with water

02/10/05 21:30:36 scottk: i wasn't real thrilled with the demo part of the meeting

02/10/05 21:30:55 Mike_IN: a few barry, most people dont want to pay the money it takes to clean them, and I'd still like to learn more about wood chems

02/10/05 21:31:13 Jeffrey_Robison: I already use Quick books, and I really just went to meet some people.

02/10/05 21:31:15 Mike_IN: I can clean gutters and houses all year and stay busy so I dont mind

02/10/05 21:31:27 jbpowerwashing: thats cool

02/10/05 21:31:47 scottk: Mike you need to use some kind of surfactant to help susoend the dirt until you rinse

02/10/05 21:31:49 Mike_IN: but when I got full time I'll have to expand my services I'm sure

02/10/05 21:31:52 scottk: suspend

02/10/05 21:32:05 Mike_IN: suggestion scott?

02/10/05 21:32:08 Jeffrey_Robison: Show me the product you want me to buy!!!

02/10/05 21:32:08 scottk: i know what you mean jeff

02/10/05 21:32:42 Brian_Sawyer: Do you all stay busy with work during the winter months?

02/10/05 21:33:00 Mike_IN: depends on the weather, it's been a coooold winter here brian

02/10/05 21:33:10 scottk: we use citracleen...but you could xjet on a mild bleach and dish soap mix(old school mix)

02/10/05 21:33:18 Jeffrey_Robison: I personally have been really slow!! But this is my first year and very little commerical cleaning so far.

02/10/05 21:33:32 jbpowerwashing: from a customer point of view it does seem expensive to wash and seal a deck

02/10/05 21:33:33 Mike_IN: thanks scott, I'll check it out

02/10/05 21:33:59 Mike_IN: is that one of steves?

02/10/05 21:34:06 Jeffrey_Robison: On vinyl, a little bleach and dawn is just fine.

02/10/05 21:34:10 scottk: citracleen is

02/10/05 21:34:25 Jeffrey_Robison: Mike do you x-jet

02/10/05 21:34:30 Mike_IN: I need to drive down there and see hime sometime

02/10/05 21:35:04 Mike_IN: Jeff, not really, but I do need to look into it.

02/10/05 21:35:08 Brian_Sawyer: are any of you in the atlanta area?

02/10/05 21:35:19 Mike_IN: indiana here brian

02/10/05 21:35:28 jbpowerwashing: indiana also

02/10/05 21:35:35 scottk: Mike buy one...it'll cut your housewash time by at least 1/3rd

02/10/05 21:35:44 Jeffrey_Robison: It changed everything!! After my first two jobs I just about said screw it, then I discovered it.

02/10/05 21:35:45 scottk: jeff is in ATl brian

02/10/05 21:35:51 Mike_IN: they pretty easy to set up?

02/10/05 21:35:57 Jeffrey_Robison: Nothing to it.

02/10/05 21:36:13 Jeffrey_Robison: Just put it in the end of your wand and go to work.

02/10/05 21:36:21 Mike_IN: I'll have to buy one from beth soon

02/10/05 21:36:29 jbpowerwashing: you use downstream injection mike

02/10/05 21:36:50 Mike_IN: no barry, i spray with a sprayer

02/10/05 21:37:03 Jeffrey_Robison: Brian, I am doing a little work at a day care early saturday, then you could come to the meeting

02/10/05 21:37:20 jbpowerwashing: shur flo

02/10/05 21:37:42 Mike_IN: most times just a simple power sprayer, but an x jet would be nice

02/10/05 21:37:51 jbpowerwashing: ya

02/10/05 21:38:02 jbpowerwashing: do you have a telescoping wand

02/10/05 21:38:04 Jeffrey_Robison: BUY one!!!! I got the M-5 version

02/10/05 21:38:09 Mike_IN: like I said, it doesnt take much to clean vinyl, but vinyl sure seems to get mildew and dirty quickly

02/10/05 21:38:30 scottk: wax my man wax

02/10/05 21:38:36 Mike_IN: telescoping wands are a bear, I have a long wand and a short wand, ladder if needed

02/10/05 21:38:53 Jeffrey_Robison: x jet bleach with soap two sides then rinse the first and then the second. Repeat for the other half

02/10/05 21:39:00 Mike_IN: wax on wax off, yes daniel son

02/10/05 21:39:17 Brian_Sawyer: Jeff are you inviting me to go on a job with you?

02/10/05 21:39:33 scottk: we add a liquid wetwax to out housewash that helps slow the mildew and mold growth

02/10/05 21:39:53 Jeffrey_Robison: It is just a little playground equipment, not really a true scope of the work, but yes.

02/10/05 21:40:03 jbpowerwashing: Jeff what is the mix ratio of bleach, soap and water

02/10/05 21:40:04 Mike_IN: hmm scott, I'll have to try that, I bet mildew is a big problem in the humid south

02/10/05 21:40:43 Brian_Sawyer: cool, what time is the job? I'm going to be driving from Knoxville

02/10/05 21:41:25 Jeffrey_Robison: I use 4 gallons of 12% a gallon of Powerhouse from Sunbrite a couple ounces of foamer. Apply at 10:1 thru the m-5. Vinyl houses are very easy.

02/10/05 21:41:49 Jeffrey_Robison: About 8:00 am!!! Probably a 4 hour drive.

02/10/05 21:42:00 scottk: we love mildew it translates into $$$$$$

02/10/05 21:42:25 Brian_Sawyer: ouch

02/10/05 21:43:16 Jeffrey_Robison: Maybe another time but the invitation will still be open for a another time. Maybe I can line up a couple houses in March on a Saturday.

02/10/05 21:43:23 Mike_IN: is the x jet pretty universal?

02/10/05 21:43:56 scottk: you have to specify the gpm of your machine when you order mike

02/10/05 21:44:06 Mike_IN: i'll keep my sprayer for roofs and go for the x jet :)

02/10/05 21:44:12 Jeffrey_Robison: Universal? easy yes. There is the m-5 which is adjustable and the original you have to screw pieces into the end.

02/10/05 21:44:25 Mike_IN: so i could not use it on different units

02/10/05 21:44:46 Jeffrey_Robison: It should be able to be used on all pressure washers.

02/10/05 21:44:48 scottk: you could but you might not have the same draw rate

02/10/05 21:44:55 Jeffrey_Robison: exactly

02/10/05 21:45:05 Mike_IN: ok

02/10/05 21:45:08 scottk: you can order different orafices if you needed to

02/10/05 21:45:22 Jeffrey_Robison: BUY ONE!!!!!

02/10/05 21:45:51 Mike_IN: yes sir

02/10/05 21:46:26 scottk: NOW and let me give you a list of stuf fyou can buy for me.................lol

02/10/05 21:46:27 jbpowerwashing: sorry jeff but could you explain "apply 10:1 thru X-jet

02/10/05 21:46:39 Mike_IN: now you sound like my wife

02/10/05 21:46:54 Mike_IN: oh no, she's behind me

02/10/05 21:46:54 Jeffrey_Robison: For mold without it you have to get up close and move sort of slow. With x jetting you just apply to one side of the house then the other. Disconnect the hose(just pull it off) When you walk back to the first side the mold is gone, just a quick rinse

02/10/05 21:47:54 jbpowerwashing: k, thanks

02/10/05 21:48:04 Jeffrey_Robison: They have proportioners that you put in it. Different ratios for different fittings. Most people seem to use the staight 2:1 ratio that is standard.

02/10/05 21:48:16 Brian_Sawyer: I would like to take you up on that sometime Jeff.

02/10/05 21:48:21 jbpowerwashing: i see

02/10/05 21:48:42 Mike_IN: basically it's your water / chem mixture ratio barry

02/10/05 21:48:53 Mike_IN: 2 parts water to 1 part chem

02/10/05 21:48:57 Mike_IN: and so on

02/10/05 21:49:05 Jeffrey_Robison: anytime. 678-360-2518. I am helping because so many have offered the same to me. I just went at it blindly.

02/10/05 21:49:26 scottk: we use the 2:1 ...it beat the heck out of me trying to change those tiny little proportioners

02/10/05 21:49:46 Mike_IN: watch out for the cats on the playground *meow*

02/10/05 21:49:59 jbpowerwashing: you do any roofs yet mike

02/10/05 21:50:08 Jeffrey_Robison: With the stronger mix, I can knock out a house with only one 5 gallon jug. Just don't see the benefit

02/10/05 21:50:15 Mike_IN: I've done mine and the inlaws :)

02/10/05 21:50:53 scottk: we do most houses with five at the 2:1 ratio

02/10/05 21:51:01 Mike_IN: not alot of mildew on roofs here

02/10/05 21:51:08 Mike_IN: but I'll try this year for sure

02/10/05 21:51:25 Jeffrey_Robison: Only 10 gallons of water?

02/10/05 21:51:44 jbpowerwashing: sorry for all the questions

02/10/05 21:51:47 Jeffrey_Robison: Just asking

02/10/05 21:51:57 jbpowerwashing: you have a surface cleaner mike

02/10/05 21:52:08 Mike_IN: dont be sorry barry, thats wht this thing is for, to ask and learn, we all have done it, I'm still learning myself

02/10/05 21:52:32 Jeffrey_Robison: Give me a call tomorrow Brian.

02/10/05 21:52:57 Brian_Sawyer: are you goingto be out the roundtable jeff?

02/10/05 21:53:13 Jeffrey_Robison: 95% sure I will be.

02/10/05 21:53:16 Brian_Sawyer: cool

02/10/05 21:53:16 scottk: our standard housewsh mix is 1 gallon citracleen 2 gallons 12% chlorine and 2 gallons water(4oz wet wax,4oz of foamer) xjetted at 2:1

02/10/05 21:53:20 Mike_IN: I am buying one this year, I dont do much flat work commercially, the driveways I've down with a spinner, but I'll be getting a surface cleaner soon too, I have a list of thing I want to get as I continue to upgrade and grow

02/10/05 21:53:48 jbpowerwashing: you are my hero

02/10/05 21:54:05 jbpowerwashing: maybe I could come hang out sometime

02/10/05 21:54:05 Mike_IN: your not gonna sing are you?

02/10/05 21:54:22 Jeffrey_Robison: One five for a house? Just curious, not harassing

02/10/05 21:54:26 Mike_IN: sounds good to me barry, I'm an hour south of indy

02/10/05 21:54:44 scottk: up to about 1800 sq ft

02/10/05 21:54:51 Jeffrey_Robison: Interesting.

02/10/05 21:54:52 jbpowerwashing: I have aunt and uncle in Carmel

02/10/05 21:54:56 scottk: after that we have to mix a second bucket

02/10/05 21:55:13 Mike_IN: then I wont say what I normally say about carmel then, :)

02/10/05 21:55:24 jbpowerwashing: won't bother me

02/10/05 21:55:27 Mike_IN: you married barry?

02/10/05 21:55:31 Jeffrey_Robison: Gotta go, an early day tomorrow. Brian you going to be there. Scott what is your #, or I can look it up.

02/10/05 21:55:41 scottk: 229-776-7856

02/10/05 21:55:53 Brian_Sawyer: I will be there saturday.

02/10/05 21:55:54 jbpowerwashing: ya 14 years w/ 3 kids

02/10/05 21:55:57 scottk: cell229-344-5596

02/10/05 21:56:12 Jeffrey_Robison: I'll holla about the coress

02/10/05 21:56:19 scottk: cool

02/10/05 21:56:26 Mike_IN: I've been married a year now, no kids yet

02/10/05 21:56:47 jbpowerwashing: so you still get lots of ***

02/10/05 21:57:15 Jeffrey_Robison: take care studs. Brian I will look for you. I am the big ugly guy. Wait that doesn't narrow it down much

02/10/05 21:57:16 Mike_IN: haha im not divorced yet

02/10/05 21:57:23 Brian_Sawyer: lol

02/10/05 21:57:26 Mike_IN: take care Jeff, nice to meet you

02/10/05 21:57:35 Mike_IN: thanks for the info

02/10/05 21:57:37 scottk: later jeff

02/10/05 21:57:39 jbpowerwashing: see ya

02/10/05 21:57:43 Brian_Sawyer: bye jeff

02/10/05 21:57:55 Mike_IN: i'll be heading out shortly, about 10 more min or so

02/10/05 21:58:01 Jeffrey_Robison Logs Out

02/10/05 21:58:26 Brian_Sawyer: Mike how long have you been doing this work?

02/10/05 21:58:52 Mike_IN: 2nd year part time

02/10/05 21:59:29 Brian_Sawyer: I'm wanting to start a part time business

02/10/05 21:59:39 Mike_IN: go for it

02/10/05 21:59:45 jbpowerwashing: me 2 me 2

02/10/05 22:00:02 Mike_IN: You need to hook up with Steve Rowlette, he's in the volunteer state also

02/10/05 22:00:22 Mike_IN: he's a wealth of knowledge

02/10/05 22:00:31 jbpowerwashing: heard of him, he sells chems and stuff, right?

02/10/05 22:00:32 scottk: starting part time will give you a chance to see if this is what you want to do fulltime

02/10/05 22:00:43 Mike_IN: yes he does barry

02/10/05 22:00:53 Brian_Sawyer: one of the questions that I have is, should I jet get a PW from lowes or HD and start small or should I lay down the big bucks and get a really nice unit so I don't have to upgrade after a short period of time?

02/10/05 22:00:56 Mike_IN: he has The Cleaner Network BBS

02/10/05 22:01:00 jbpowerwashing: been to his site

02/10/05 22:01:13 Mike_IN: nothing wrong with HD or lowes units

02/10/05 22:01:17 Mike_IN: to get started

02/10/05 22:01:22 Mike_IN: and upgrade as needed

02/10/05 22:01:23 scottk: i agree

02/10/05 22:01:45 Brian_Sawyer: I emailed Steve today. I'm going to give him a call tomorrow

02/10/05 22:01:54 scottk: a lot of people start with Lowes and HD machine

02/10/05 22:02:17 scottk: ask lots of questions and take note brian

02/10/05 22:02:26 Mike_IN: I use a cart unit still, I'll upgrade to a skid when I get a trailer

02/10/05 22:02:30 scottk: 1-800-357-6295 is his number

02/10/05 22:02:41 jbpowerwashing: is there anything you have to do to HD mach. Like upgrade or anything

02/10/05 22:02:47 Brian_Sawyer: thats steves number?

02/10/05 22:03:02 scottk: i know guys that still use carts in conjunction with their trailers

02/10/05 22:03:10 scottk: yes brian

02/10/05 22:03:16 Mike_IN: not really barry, they are good units, they may not last as long as a industrial unit, but they get the job done

02/10/05 22:03:42 Mike_IN: and they might be a little slower, but it's ok to get you started

02/10/05 22:03:53 scottk: keep the engine oil and pump oil chanegd and make sure it has a clean air filter

02/10/05 22:04:18 Mike_IN: to do residential work, you dont need a huge machine, unless you want to do big commercial jobs one day

02/10/05 22:04:56 Mike_IN: take care of it like you would a car

02/10/05 22:05:01 scottk: buy the $1000 unit...most are 3000psi/4gpm...anything smaller and you'll work a lot harder

02/10/05 22:05:32 Brian_Sawyer: I'll take any work that I can get, but I don't want to get a PW and realize that its not big enough to do the job.

02/10/05 22:05:54 Mike_IN: true scott, then as you work more, you'll want a faster machine and you can upgrade as needed, but to get started, you'll be fine with a HD or Lowes

02/10/05 22:06:15 scottk: our skid was under $4000

02/10/05 22:06:27 jbpowerwashing: I learned a lot tonite thanks mike and everyone

02/10/05 22:06:46 Mike_IN: my next step is a used skid unit, and then a new unti after that

02/10/05 22:06:52 jbpowerwashing: bedtime, gotta get up early and be a wage slave

02/10/05 22:07:01 scottk: nothing wrong with that mike

02/10/05 22:07:05 Mike_IN: take care barry, email me anytime

02/10/05 22:07:06 scottk: night barry

02/10/05 22:07:12 Brian_Sawyer: night

02/10/05 22:07:13 jbpowerwashing: will do, thanks

02/10/05 22:07:21 Brian_Sawyer: is everyone leaving?

02/10/05 22:07:23 jbpowerwashing: later

02/10/05 22:07:31 Mike_IN: yeah I got a few things to do before bed

02/10/05 22:07:37 Mike_IN: it was nice to chat with you all

02/10/05 22:07:39 jbpowerwashing Logs Out

02/10/05 22:07:42 scottk: later mike

02/10/05 22:07:44 Brian_Sawyer: cool. thats for all the info

02/10/05 22:07:45 Mike_IN: brain hook up with Steve

02/10/05 22:07:50 Brian_Sawyer: I will

02/10/05 22:07:51 Mike_IN: brian

02/10/05 22:07:53 scottk: i'll stay a little longer

02/10/05 22:07:56 Mike_IN: he wont do you wrong

02/10/05 22:07:58 Mike_IN: take care

02/10/05 22:08:03 Brian_Sawyer: night

02/10/05 22:08:04 Mike_IN: talk to you on the bbs's

02/10/05 22:08:10 Mike_IN Logs Out

02/10/05 22:08:23 Brian_Sawyer: so how long have you been in the business scott?

02/10/05 22:08:37 scottk: we are into our second year fulltime

02/10/05 22:08:49 scottk: we were part time for a year also

02/10/05 22:09:11 Brian_Sawyer: is the money good enough to go fulltime?

02/10/05 22:09:30 scottk: it has it's ups and downs

02/10/05 22:09:55 Brian_Sawyer: my girlfriend and I are wanting a parttime business to make some extra money to pay off bills..

02/10/05 22:10:05 scottk: this is a good one then

02/10/05 22:10:19 Brian_Sawyer: what type of setup do you have?

02/10/05 22:10:44 scottk: 3500psi/5.5gpm hotwater skid .12ft trailer

02/10/05 22:10:49 scottk: 225 water tank

02/10/05 22:11:02 scottk: 30" and 16" surface cleaners

02/10/05 22:12:15 Brian_Sawyer: this is what we have been looking at. Its very fancy. Not sure if we want to jump in this far yet though. http://www.magnumclean.com/term.html

02/10/05 22:12:27 scottk: part time you could make an extra $500 to $1000 a month just doing housewashes

02/10/05 22:13:24 Brian_Sawyer: how many hours would that take. to make about $1000?

02/10/05 22:14:42 scottk: if you were doning housewashes at $150 you would have about 20 hr or less into them...assuming they are 1 story

02/10/05 22:14:56 scottk: that is a nice unit...but pricey

02/10/05 22:15:23 Brian_Sawyer: cost is $6725

02/10/05 22:15:48 Brian_Sawyer: doing house washes, is hotwater nessecery?

02/10/05 22:15:57 scottk: no

02/10/05 22:16:25 scottk: we only use our burner on commercial work and concrete

02/10/05 22:16:54 Brian_Sawyer: when someone says Flatwork, what does that mean>

02/10/05 22:16:55 scottk: last time i saw that unit it was $8000

02/10/05 22:17:26 scottk: drivewasy,sidewalks drivethrus

02/10/05 22:17:44 scottk: diveways

02/10/05 22:17:46 Brian_Sawyer: I think 8000 is retail. The place that makes them is about 2 miles from my house. and they said i would get it for the factory cost

02/10/05 22:18:14 scottk: a dual axle trailer would be better

02/10/05 22:18:44 Brian_Sawyer: if I was to get a HD unit, how often will I have to turn down work cause I don;t have the right equipment?

02/10/05 22:19:06 scottk: often if you want to do commercial

02/10/05 22:19:30 scottk: hotwater is a must for fastfood drivethrus and dumpster pads

02/10/05 22:19:31 Brian_Sawyer: is it better to stay with res work or do commercial too.

02/10/05 22:20:07 scottk: commercial is done regularly so it provides a more consistant pay check

02/10/05 22:20:45 scottk: if you can line up a few commercial accounts monthly they will pay bills whiel you pick up res

02/10/05 22:20:51 scottk: while

02/10/05 22:20:52 Brian_Sawyer: We really aren't looking to replace our day jobs. this is strickly for the extra money

02/10/05 22:21:35 Brian_Sawyer: we have good jobs that we really like and they are good paying. just want to get out of debt quicker

02/10/05 22:21:50 scottk: there aisn't anything wrong with that

02/10/05 22:21:53 scottk: isn't

02/10/05 22:22:17 Brian_Sawyer: my girlfriend is worried that it will take over all of hour free time

02/10/05 22:22:55 scottk: you can takle care of that when you schedule jobs.....don't take on more than you want to do

02/10/05 22:24:06 Brian_Sawyer: are customers cool with only working in the evening and the weekends? or do you think that will cause problems

02/10/05 22:25:23 scottk: i think most are cool as long as you tell them you do the work part time...really if your project a professional image they won't care

02/10/05 22:26:16 Brian_Sawyer: my girlfriend wants us to be very profesional. have a good looking truck and equipment

02/10/05 22:26:31 scottk: it helps a lot

02/10/05 22:27:17 scottk: a clean rig and truuck draw attention and that inturn helps bring in business

02/10/05 22:28:28 Brian_Sawyer: thats kind of the reason that we are leaning toward getting the nice Magnum rig

02/10/05 22:29:54 scottk: it's a nice setup

02/10/05 22:31:20 Brian_Sawyer: where are you located?

02/10/05 22:31:48 scottk: SW Ga little town cal Sylvester

02/10/05 22:31:53 scottk: called

02/10/05 22:32:05 scottk: we are about 4 hrs south of Atl

02/10/05 22:32:18 Brian_Sawyer: thats near albany right

02/10/05 22:32:38 scottk: yes 10 miles

02/10/05 22:32:45 scottk: ooops 20

02/10/05 22:32:50 Brian_Sawyer: I worked there for awhile that the mars m&m plant

02/10/05 22:32:59 scottk: cool

02/10/05 22:33:07 scottk: i used to work for cooper tire

02/10/05 22:33:29 Brian_Sawyer: I do electrical design work sometimes. PLC programing and such

02/10/05 22:33:56 scottk: coo

02/10/05 22:33:59 scottk: cool

02/10/05 22:34:15 Brian_Sawyer: are you going to be at the round table saturday?

02/10/05 22:34:49 scottk: no...i held one here last Sat...and we have all 5 of our kids here this weekend

02/10/05 22:35:19 Brian_Sawyer: is your company a LLC or sole proprieter?

02/10/05 22:35:30 Brian_Sawyer: how do you have it setup

02/10/05 22:35:33 scottk: sole propieter

02/10/05 22:35:51 Brian_Sawyer: how about insurance?

02/10/05 22:36:07 Brian_Sawyer: I heard its around 800 to 1200 per year

02/10/05 22:36:19 scottk: we get it through a local company 1million liabi;ty

02/10/05 22:36:26 scottk: $790

02/10/05 22:36:38 Brian_Sawyer: ever had to use it?

02/10/05 22:36:47 scottk: no...hope we never do

02/10/05 22:36:56 Brian_Sawyer: no kidding

02/10/05 22:37:33 Brian_Sawyer: what about being bonded. I see that on ppls ads sometimes. whats the importance of that?

02/10/05 22:38:21 scottk: we aren't bonded...if you were going to be inside customers homes maybe ...but not for exterior work

02/10/05 22:39:19 Brian_Sawyer: what about when their ads say that they are licenced. what is that? a business license?

02/10/05 22:39:22 scottk: we have considered some office cleaning...if it happens then we will get bonded

02/10/05 22:39:28 scottk: buiness

02/10/05 22:40:01 scottk: through the county,city or what ever authority requires it...if the require it

02/10/05 22:40:57 scottk: we have to have a license out of our town and other accept it......but that doesn't work everywhere

02/10/05 22:40:58 Brian_Sawyer: I'm assuming that you have a business license. do you have tax number where you aren't taxed on your purchese. I hope I'm not being to noisy.

02/10/05 22:41:44 Brian_Sawyer: so when you get a business license, its only for the town that you are in>

02/10/05 22:41:45 Brian_Sawyer: ?

02/10/05 22:41:46 scottk: we did without the tax number in 2004 but have one ofro 2005

02/10/05 22:41:59 scottk: for 2005

02/10/05 22:42:48 Brian_Sawyer: does it work when you buy your equipment?

02/10/05 22:42:59 scottk: we have a license for Sylvester.Albany,Tifton and surrounding city recognize it

02/10/05 22:43:45 scottk: i haven't bought anything new this year........makes me want to cry

02/10/05 22:44:16 Brian_Sawyer: I was wondering if it would work when buying a truck for the business

02/10/05 22:45:35 scottk: you can write off a huge portion of the purchase....the IRS is watching the purchase of suv's though

02/10/05 22:45:58 Brian_Sawyer: it would be a pickup

02/10/05 22:46:05 Brian_Sawyer: is there any major misstake you made when you first started out

02/10/05 22:46:13 scottk: it should qualify

02/10/05 22:46:31 scottk: not buying quality chemicals

02/10/05 22:46:57 scottk: HD chems don't do a professional job

02/10/05 22:47:18 scottk: buy an xjet....one of teh biggest time savers we have

02/10/05 22:47:21 scottk: the

02/10/05 22:47:38 Brian_Sawyer: I've been seeing ppl talk about them. I don't even know what they are

02/10/05 22:48:17 scottk: buy a quality surface cleaner.....steel eagle...big guy or something line that

02/10/05 22:48:44 scottk: steer away from the ones that are under $500...they just don't last

02/10/05 22:49:22 Brian_Sawyer: surface cleaners. is that one of the round sprayers for doing concrete?

02/10/05 22:49:34 scottk: yes

02/10/05 22:50:33 Brian_Sawyer: those look like they would really save alot of time

02/10/05 22:51:33 scottk: they do....we clean 8 McDonalds restaurants...the fjat work is around 4000 sq ft ...we clean them in about 2 1/2 hrs

02/10/05 22:51:46 scottk: a surface cleaner is a must for concrete

02/10/05 22:53:42 Brian_Sawyer: those steel eagles are expensive

02/10/05 22:54:11 scottk: yes but they are built like tanks and will last forever

02/10/05 22:54:43 Brian_Sawyer: did it take you long to figure out a pricing structure?

02/10/05 22:54:59 scottk: lol....still am

02/10/05 22:55:45 scottk: you start by doing sq ft...,.then move into looking at jobs and knowing(res0

02/10/05 22:55:52 scottk: residential

02/10/05 22:56:03 scottk: commercial you always measure

02/10/05 22:56:44 Brian_Sawyer: I know there will be a learning curve. how much would be a good starting price for drive ways a things like that>?

02/10/05 22:57:24 scottk: standard 2 car drive way(1000 sq ft)$65

02/10/05 22:57:55 scottk: housewash up to 2000 sq ft 1 story $145

02/10/05 22:58:34 scottk: decks(strip and clean only)$.95 sq ft

02/10/05 22:59:13 scottk: strip,clean,brighten and stain $1.35 sq ft

02/10/05 22:59:20 scottk: we don't do a lot of decks

02/10/05 23:01:41 Brian_Sawyer: driveways and concrete seem to be the easist stuff to start out with

02/10/05 23:02:01 Brian_Sawyer: I think I will wait before doing a deck

02/10/05 23:02:18 Brian_Sawyer: seems like alot could go wrong with those

02/10/05 23:02:30 scottk: they are a lot of work

02/10/05 23:02:53 scottk: you need to kow the right chemicals to use to make them look good

02/10/05 23:03:46 Brian_Sawyer: are houses hard to do? depending on the siding I would guess

02/10/05 23:04:12 scottk: vinyl,hardi board are easiest

02/10/05 23:04:31 scottk: brick isn't too bad as long as it's not new construction

02/10/05 23:04:48 Brian_Sawyer: why is that?

02/10/05 23:05:04 scottk: we can wash an 2000 sq ft single story house in under 2 hours

02/10/05 23:06:13 Brian_Sawyer: is that by yourself or with help?

02/10/05 23:06:19 scottk: me and the wife

02/10/05 23:06:31 scottk: she pulls hoses and mixes chemicals

02/10/05 23:06:49 Brian_Sawyer: what my plans are is for me to do the work and she goes around handing out business cards and fliers

02/10/05 23:06:55 Brian_Sawyer: thats a good idea

02/10/05 23:07:21 scottk: that's a good wayto meet new potential customers

02/10/05 23:08:00 Brian_Sawyer: are there any types of work that you turn down?

02/10/05 23:08:29 scottk: we do low pressure roof cleaning and i won't do roof i can't walk

02/10/05 23:09:06 scottk: 290 lbs hits the ground hard. you would feel the aftershocks in knoxville

02/10/05 23:09:12 Brian_Sawyer: lol

02/10/05 23:10:40 Brian_Sawyer: what pressure do you use for asphalt shingles. We have alot of house in my sub division that has alot of stains from the leaves and rain. and what chems would you use?

02/10/05 23:11:17 scottk: 60psi

02/10/05 23:11:36 scottk: wehave done them up to 500psi

02/10/05 23:12:27 scottk: if you do some reading on Rowlett's BBs you will find what the guys in Fl use is the fatsest and easiest

02/10/05 23:13:31 scottk: 1.8 to 3 pgm shurflo pump,200ft of braided hose and a phelps wand(Don Phelps shared teh design he uses so it gotthat name)

02/10/05 23:14:07 scottk: chlorine mixture mixed 50/50

02/10/05 23:14:37 Brian_Sawyer: what is a shurflo pump?

02/10/05 23:14:43 scottk: average 2000 sq ft house requires 30 to 50 gallons to get it clean

02/10/05 23:14:57 scottk: 12v liquid pump

02/10/05 23:15:27 Brian_Sawyer: I'm confused. would you not use your PW for it?

02/10/05 23:15:33 scottk: nope

02/10/05 23:15:50 Brian_Sawyer: 30 to 50 gallons of clorine?

02/10/05 23:15:53 scottk: you can but this method is easier

02/10/05 23:16:03 scottk: 50/50 mix

02/10/05 23:16:03 Brian_Sawyer: or the 50/50 mixxture

02/10/05 23:16:50 Brian_Sawyer: and the 200ft braided hose? whats the benifet of the braided hose?

02/10/05 23:17:23 scottk: regular clear hose will collapse under the suction created by the pump

02/10/05 23:17:50 scottk: the braide has stronger wall strength

02/10/05 23:18:28 Brian_Sawyer: how much chems do you think that I will need to get started>?

02/10/05 23:18:56 Brian_Sawyer: just for flatwork, house spraying and maybe roofs

02/10/05 23:19:36 scottk: we started with a 55 gallon drum of housewash...you can buy degreaser for commercial work 5 gallons at a time

02/10/05 23:19:58 Brian_Sawyer: is that what its called. Housewash?

02/10/05 23:20:11 scottk: steve rowlett can give you the low down on chemicals

02/10/05 23:20:23 scottk: RPCcitracleen

02/10/05 23:21:14 Brian_Sawyer: I'm going to give him a call tomorrow. he invited me to come out one saturday and he would show me a few things.

02/10/05 23:21:40 scottk: it's worth the drive

02/10/05 23:21:54 Brian_Sawyer: it amazes me that everyone is so helpful.

02/10/05 23:22:15 Brian_Sawyer: and the are so many boards to read

02/10/05 23:22:21 Brian_Sawyer: I've found 4 allready

02/10/05 23:22:31 scottk: we all have the same goal.....make money and raise the level of profesionalism in the trade

02/10/05 23:23:23 Brian_Sawyer: I figured everything would be closely gaurded secrets so ppl to lose work from someone else

02/10/05 23:23:23 scottk: go abck and read the old posts on them....threr is a wealth of knowledge to be had for free

02/10/05 23:23:34 Brian_Sawyer: I am

02/10/05 23:24:06 scottk: most guys will help...ther are some that won't if you live close to them

02/10/05 23:24:22 Brian_Sawyer: I can understand that

02/10/05 23:24:31 Brian_Sawyer: I don't want to take work from other ppl

02/10/05 23:24:40 Brian_Sawyer: I just want to make alittle money

02/10/05 23:24:58 scottk: nothing wrong withtaht whe you do it professionally

02/10/05 23:25:03 Brian_Sawyer: I would think theres enough work out there for alot of ppl doing this

02/10/05 23:25:14 Brian_Sawyer: oh yeah

02/10/05 23:25:21 Brian_Sawyer: if your going to do it. do it right

02/10/05 23:25:50 scottk: there is work everywhere...you have to knock on doors and talk to people

02/10/05 23:26:12 Brian_Sawyer: you won't make money for long if you do shotty work

02/10/05 23:26:34 Brian_Sawyer: what type of advertising do you do?

02/10/05 23:26:46 scottk: professional equipemnt,attitude,chemicals and appearance = professional results

02/10/05 23:27:25 scottk: newspaper,direct mailers,flyers....word of mouth

02/10/05 23:28:39 Brian_Sawyer: I've seen that most ppl seem to get alot out of ads in the yellow pages

02/10/05 23:29:53 scottk: i can't justify the price...for a 2"x3" ad they wanted $300 monthly andthing smaller was $190 monthly

02/10/05 23:30:22 Brian_Sawyer: wow

02/10/05 23:30:23 scottk: that is $$$ we can use to direct mail upper scale neighborhoods

02/10/05 23:30:55 Brian_Sawyer: interesting

02/10/05 23:31:50 Brian_Sawyer: do you cold call ppl?

02/10/05 23:32:12 scottk: commercial only

02/10/05 23:33:36 scottk: we do blanket bid neighborhoods on occassion

02/10/05 23:34:24 scottk: if the houses are all similar in size(sq ft,concrete etc) we can bid the same price from house to house

02/10/05 23:35:11 Brian_Sawyer: do you have ppl come up to you while your working on someone else's house in a neighborhood and give you work?

02/10/05 23:35:21 scottk: we did 30 bids like that today

02/10/05 23:36:29 scottk: we have a few times...we do most res during the day when people are at work...but we do put out flyers and cards on the houses close to teh one we are working on

02/10/05 23:37:17 Brian_Sawyer: have you ever had a problem with a job? like something was damaged?

02/10/05 23:37:46 scottk: not yet

02/10/05 23:38:58 scottk: you have to be methodical....work fast but not so fast you get careless

02/10/05 23:39:37 Brian_Sawyer: how long did it take you to get started to the point that you were making some money, and what type of equipment did you start out with>

02/10/05 23:39:38 Brian_Sawyer: ?

02/10/05 23:40:53 scottk: when we went full time we started with a rig similar to what you want..........when we were part time it was a cold water machien in the back of the truck

02/10/05 23:42:11 scottk: we are starting to show a little profit now...but i hope by this time next year that has doubled

02/10/05 23:42:50 Brian_Sawyer: is this all the work that you and your wife do?

02/10/05 23:43:25 scottk: yes..there are times that money is tight

02/10/05 23:43:53 scottk: you have to be a good steward with your money

02/10/05 23:44:49 Brian_Sawyer: if things slowdown, I have my primary job to fall back on for extra money. I just get sick of doing CAD work all the time. lol

02/10/05 23:45:17 scottk: lol

02/10/05 23:45:42 Brian_Sawyer: I work for a log and timber frame home design firm

02/10/05 23:46:14 Brian_Sawyer: I do drafting and design work.

02/10/05 23:46:23 Brian_Sawyer: it get old after awhile

02/10/05 23:46:29 scottk: i have thought about going back to part time.......there are advantages to corp amercia(steady paycheck)

02/10/05 23:47:02 scottk: i spent 20 yrs in factories and it's nice being my opwn boss

02/10/05 23:47:07 scottk: own

02/10/05 23:47:30 Brian_Sawyer: do you think it would be crazy to purchese a rig like the magnom one, with us just doing it parttime?

02/10/05 23:47:37 scottk: but if tehy pay and benefits are right i would go back

02/10/05 23:47:57 scottk: not at all....ig you can afford the best buy it

02/10/05 23:48:02 scottk: if

02/10/05 23:48:22 scottk: it'll last longer than an HD or Lowes machine

02/10/05 23:49:09 scottk: and it'll bring you more work

02/10/05 23:49:26 Brian_Sawyer: well we can't buy it straight out, but I think it would be a great investment if we are planning on doing this long term. which I do. this isn't something to get some fast money, I would really like to keep this going. but not sure I would ever want to do

02/10/05 23:49:30 Brian_Sawyer: fo it full time

02/10/05 23:49:58 Brian_Sawyer: but you never know how things change

02/10/05 23:50:21 Brian_Sawyer: you said that it will bring me more work. How?

02/10/05 23:50:34 Brian_Sawyer: just cause it looks profesional?

02/10/05 23:50:54 scottk: yes

02/10/05 23:52:00 Brian_Sawyer: when you started out, did you plan to make this a fulltime job?

02/10/05 23:52:52 scottk: yes.....i left a job after a workers comp settlement....and wanted to be my own boss

02/10/05 23:53:00 scottk: it was a hrd step to take

02/10/05 23:53:03 scottk: hard

02/10/05 23:53:46 Brian_Sawyer: I would say it was harder on the wife. they don't go for things risky like starting up a new business

02/10/05 23:54:37 scottk: yeah..she has stressed alot during the slower months

02/10/05 23:54:52 scottk: but when we are busy she forget all that

02/10/05 23:54:52 Brian_Sawyer: my girlfriend isn't completely sold on the idea yet.

02/10/05 23:55:15 Brian_Sawyer: I think she is warming up to it slowly

02/10/05 23:56:04 Brian_Sawyer: she's the one that suggested us gettiung the magnum rig. she thinks if we are going to do this, lets do it right and be a profesional as possible.

02/10/05 23:56:27 scottk: if you aren't going to jump fulltime...i say what's the harm....if you decide 6 months from now you want out you can get $6k for the rig and just about pay off the loan on it

02/10/05 23:56:59 Brian_Sawyer: thats a very good point

02/10/05 23:57:29 Brian_Sawyer: does good equipment have a good resale value?

02/10/05 23:58:15 scottk: yes....most well maintained rigs will bring $5k+ on resale

02/10/05 23:59:03 Brian_Sawyer: thats good

02/10/05 23:59:30 scottk: you are on the right track

02/10/05 23:59:53 Brian_Sawyer: the guy at the magnum place says the he give alot of tech support with his product

02/10/05 23:59:58 scottk: you are asking all the right questions

02/11/05 00:00:18 scottk: until you learn the machine that is and will be worth it's weight in gold

02/11/05 00:00:31 Brian_Sawyer: you have been a huge help answering all of them

02/11/05 00:01:05 scottk: out machine cam eout of Decaturville Tn(Largo) and if i have a problem i call them and tehy get me an answer

02/11/05 00:09:03 scottk Disconnects

02/11/05 00:09:03 Brian_Sawyer Disconnects

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