Transcript - Wood Care Chat - Cedar Homes Wed., 12/17/04

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Wed Dec 17 20:04:57 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Russ

Wed Dec 17 20:05:09 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Welcome to Wed Night Wood Chat

Wed Dec 17 20:05:36 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Did you get my email from a few days ago?

Wed Dec 17 20:06:04 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:nope

Wed Dec 17 20:06:19 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:I'll resend it.

Wed Dec 17 20:06:36 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Also the mailer for tonight was about wood sided homes.

Wed Dec 17 20:07:58 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Dani Girl told me

Wed Dec 17 20:08:00 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:it's in your email not - titled this is not spam

Wed Dec 17 20:08:31 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:ooops in your email now - titled this is not spam

Wed Dec 17 20:10:21 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:reading it now

Wed Dec 17 20:10:31 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:People are already asking when Brown Sugar will be available

Wed Dec 17 20:10:49 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:and guys are saying they will try Wood Tux this spring.

Wed Dec 17 20:16:52 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Login:

Wed Dec 17 20:16:52 2003:JimCrossley [0/] IP:67.75.131.209

Wed Dec 17 20:17:07 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Welcome to Wood Chat

Wed Dec 17 20:17:32 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Hi, sorry I am late. I entered the old chat room via a url.

Wed Dec 17 20:17:50 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi Jim, how are you tonight?

Wed Dec 17 20:18:08 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I think we can find room for you

Wed Dec 17 20:18:46 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Hi Beth, I am glad it is going to be warmer tomorrow.

Wed Dec 17 20:19:06 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:We had snow and ice here today. I miss deck season.

Wed Dec 17 20:20:05 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Except for today, I have been working with wood for the past week. :)

Wed Dec 17 20:20:25 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Deck season is over in St Louis

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Wed Dec 17 20:21:41 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, you mentioned 2 weeks ago that Atlanta is a great place for developing wood house restoration. So here I am to night.

Wed Dec 17 20:22:18 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Have you done any scouting yet?

Wed Dec 17 20:23:05 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Hello Russ and Jim

Wed Dec 17 20:23:23 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:how are you this evening?

Wed Dec 17 20:23:32 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:No, this would be a new venture for me. We only do about 5% residential.

Wed Dec 17 20:23:53 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Very cold

Wed Dec 17 20:24:08 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:And good evening to you also

Wed Dec 17 20:24:11 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I wish I could remember some street names for you, but it has been a while since we were there

Wed Dec 17 20:25:15 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:You can look in your yellow pages and find home builders that specialize in wood siding and find the neighborhoods that they developed

Wed Dec 17 20:26:02 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Jim, have you ever restored a deck?

Wed Dec 17 20:26:21 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russell_C do you have any picture of any decks done with the wood tux?

Wed Dec 17 20:26:25 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Fantastic idea. I was planning on going to the primary cedar suppliers and ask who their majjor customers are.

Wed Dec 17 20:26:51 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:You can get them through Beth

Wed Dec 17 20:27:02 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:ok

Wed Dec 17 20:27:05 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I think she has some on her web site

Wed Dec 17 20:27:25 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Yes, I have restored a number of decks. But they have all been PT pine. Most homes around here are cedar.

Wed Dec 17 20:27:40 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I have only found one on her site and that was one done by Reed

Wed Dec 17 20:27:52 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Looked very good too

Wed Dec 17 20:27:56 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:In my opinion cedar homes are much easier to clean

Wed Dec 17 20:28:29 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:gravity works for you

Wed Dec 17 20:28:45 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, that is good to know. I have a cedar home myself and I was going to be my test site.

Wed Dec 17 20:29:09 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:That is excellent! Do you have any questions?

Wed Dec 17 20:29:23 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Do you know what the existing finish is?

Wed Dec 17 20:29:28 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Jim thats the best way to practice and screw up and not **** any customers off

Wed Dec 17 20:30:20 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Yes, 1st is that the I need to know how to remove a semi-transparent stain. But it looks closer to paint in real life.

Wed Dec 17 20:31:06 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Jim-So I take it you don't know the brand?

Wed Dec 17 20:31:42 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:It was a home depot brand. I may have an empty can down in the basement.

Wed Dec 17 20:32:33 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:What products do you use to restore decks Jim?

Wed Dec 17 20:33:08 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:(I am going to ask you a few questions, then walk you through the job)

Wed Dec 17 20:34:11 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, the decks I have encountered so far have all been real easy. I have been using bleach. However, I am going to be starting on one that I know bleach will not brighten.

Wed Dec 17 20:34:47 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:I was planning on using HD-80 for that problem deck.

Wed Dec 17 20:34:50 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:what size is your machine?

Wed Dec 17 20:36:25 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:4.5 gpm and enough power to destroy anything in wood. I normally run at about 950psi when doing wood work and 750 when doing stucco work.

Wed Dec 17 20:36:46 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Is your hom one story or two?

Wed Dec 17 20:37:23 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:1 in the front and 2.25 stories in the back and sides. It is a strange lot.

Wed Dec 17 20:37:49 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:are you going to use a lift or ladders?

Wed Dec 17 20:38:44 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:I wasn't planning on it. I have a 24' boom extension plus an 8 ft light weight extension.

Wed Dec 17 20:39:06 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I object!

Wed Dec 17 20:39:33 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Should I invest in some scaffoling?

Wed Dec 17 20:39:41 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg::eek:

Wed Dec 17 20:39:43 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I am not a big fan of useing extension wands on cedar homes.

Wed Dec 17 20:39:45 2003:Bethrod [0/] Login:

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Wed Dec 17 20:39:54 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:It is very hard to keep an even distance

Wed Dec 17 20:39:59 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Hi Beth

Wed Dec 17 20:40:01 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Welcome back Beth

Wed Dec 17 20:40:12 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Hi All

Wed Dec 17 20:40:18 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:;)

Wed Dec 17 20:40:39 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If you get into doing a lot of homes you can. Ladder jacks and a pick board work well too

Wed Dec 17 20:40:53 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:I have the distance problem solved with a set wheels I can attach to the 24' boom.

Wed Dec 17 20:41:29 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:For the sake of this discussion I am going to assume that you are working from a single ladder.

Wed Dec 17 20:41:49 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:No, from the ground.

Wed Dec 17 20:42:07 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Jim, that still scares me. I would rather see you stay up close to the work untill you get the hang of it

Wed Dec 17 20:42:50 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Jim, you are going to use the boom anyway arent you?

Wed Dec 17 20:42:51 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Ok

Wed Dec 17 20:43:01 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Never mind!

Wed Dec 17 20:43:16 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:We will assume you are working from a single ladder

Wed Dec 17 20:43:41 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Ok let's go with that

Wed Dec 17 20:43:53 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:that is it for questions. I am going to start rattling now.

Wed Dec 17 20:44:05 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Feel free to inturupt if you need to

Wed Dec 17 20:44:13 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:I will

Wed Dec 17 20:45:10 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Hi beth welcome back

Wed Dec 17 20:45:23 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:Thanks Jim ;)

Wed Dec 17 20:46:08 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:First mmake sure that you have a quick connect directly attached to your gun so you can put a tip in it with NO wand. Pressure should be reduced to about 1000 psi. For those who do not know, use an over sized tip to reduce pressure and maintain flow.

Wed Dec 17 20:46:52 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Got just the gun. I use it on California fences.

Wed Dec 17 20:47:07 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Do a test patch to determine what is needed to remove the old finish. It is always better if you can use a percarb type cleaner as it is much safer to use.

Wed Dec 17 20:47:32 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:OK

Wed Dec 17 20:47:57 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Mask according to the product you will use to remove the finish

Wed Dec 17 20:48:37 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:keep in mind, if you have to mask landscaping to allow for plenty of air flow or you can steam cook your plants

Wed Dec 17 20:50:04 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:After masking, apply your cleaner from bottom to top, a few boards at a time.

Wed Dec 17 20:50:04 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:We normally mask all vegitation when we clean buildings to get rid of the green stuff. Buy the way, I have a great source for cheep painters plastic in 500' by 10' rools.

Wed Dec 17 20:50:58 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:work in a section that has a natural break, usually one wall at a time if you are by your self

Wed Dec 17 20:51:41 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:once you have applied cleaner to the entire wall section, allow it to dwell for a good 15 min.

Wed Dec 17 20:52:14 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:When you clean, clean in the same manner, from bottom to top

Wed Dec 17 20:53:05 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If the cleaner has had time to work, this should go quickly about half the speed of sweeping with a broom

Wed Dec 17 20:53:36 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:fan out your ending strokes and fan into your beginning stroke

Wed Dec 17 20:54:09 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:if you stop in one place it will leave a "burn mark" that might need sanding

Wed Dec 17 20:54:31 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Beth, I hope you make all available like you did a couple of weeks ago.

Wed Dec 17 20:54:54 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ is on a roll. *whip*

Wed Dec 17 20:55:08 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:after you have successfully cleaned the wall section, rinse again from the top to the bottom

Wed Dec 17 20:55:57 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:pay attention to knot holes as they are good at holding cleaner. You will notice a "plume" of white as you pass over them.

Wed Dec 17 20:56:09 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:After you have rinsed well, rinse again

Wed Dec 17 20:56:28 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:yes he is.

Wed Dec 17 20:56:35 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:watch the water as it drips from the boards. It should be clear.

Wed Dec 17 20:57:00 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I tell people not to stop rinsing untill they would drink the water comming off

Wed Dec 17 20:57:26 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Once you have thouroughly rinsed, rinse one more time (I am not even kidding)

Wed Dec 17 20:58:22 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Now we let it dry for a couple of days?

Wed Dec 17 20:58:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Then apply a brightener to the wet surface. Apply plenty of brightener an allow it to dwell for 5 to 10 min (usually).

Wed Dec 17 20:59:06 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:The brightener will make the wood look like new and help even out any unevenness

Wed Dec 17 20:59:37 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Now more with the rinsing

Wed Dec 17 20:59:40 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Rinse

Wed Dec 17 20:59:43 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Rinse

Wed Dec 17 20:59:46 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Rinse

Wed Dec 17 21:00:03 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, when the brightner is applied, are we still work in 2 or 3 boards at a time or an entire wall section?

Wed Dec 17 21:00:07 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:continue in the same manner around the rest of the house

Wed Dec 17 21:00:36 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:apply it a few boards at a time, back and forth, from bottom to top

Wed Dec 17 21:01:03 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:always complete your current step on the entire wall section

Wed Dec 17 21:01:27 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ you cant just leave the brightner on and let it dry?

Wed Dec 17 21:01:43 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Not if we are going by my opinion

Wed Dec 17 21:01:55 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:ok

Wed Dec 17 21:02:10 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:There are those out there that do, but I have a real problem with it

Wed Dec 17 21:02:36 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:why is that?

Wed Dec 17 21:02:41 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Given a 50' by 9' wall section about how may hours would you estimate?

Wed Dec 17 21:02:43 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I don't like the salts that are left behind, they do bad things to sealers sometimes

Wed Dec 17 21:02:55 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:good point

Wed Dec 17 21:02:57 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:for just that wall?

Wed Dec 17 21:03:03 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:yes

Wed Dec 17 21:03:18 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:about one and a half

Wed Dec 17 21:03:45 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:less than that if everything is premixed and you are rolling

Wed Dec 17 21:04:11 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:by rolling, I mean if it is not the first wall of the house

Wed Dec 17 21:04:21 2003:Bethrod [0/] Msg:dinner break back later....

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Wed Dec 17 21:04:58 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:ok, now, after you have rinsed, you let it wait for a couple days

Wed Dec 17 21:05:09 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:It just seems like there will be a lot of down time waiting for 15 minutes after each 3 or 4 boards.

Wed Dec 17 21:05:13 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Jim, how will you be applying your finish?

Wed Dec 17 21:05:20 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Ok

Wed Dec 17 21:06:02 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:What I meant was, spray about three boards up from the bottom, all the way across (make the 50 foot run)

Wed Dec 17 21:06:06 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:That I was planning on using a ladder with a stand off. Spray on and back brush in.

Wed Dec 17 21:06:23 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:then spray the next 3 boards on your way back

Wed Dec 17 21:06:43 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:do that back and forth from bottom to top untill the whole wall has cleaner

Wed Dec 17 21:07:14 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Got it.

Wed Dec 17 21:07:34 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Apply your finish exactly the same way

Wed Dec 17 21:07:55 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:about three boards and backbrush, back and forth

Wed Dec 17 21:08:09 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Staining takes NO time

Wed Dec 17 21:08:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:That is where you make all the money on cedar homes

Wed Dec 17 21:09:01 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Nice big flat open footages of wood

Wed Dec 17 21:09:53 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:In a nut shell, I guess that is it

Wed Dec 17 21:10:16 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Russ, you don't know how much I appreciate your giving me all of this input. I am going to cut and paste all of this information in to my daily cook book of "how to's".

Wed Dec 17 21:10:21 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Tape your gutters if you don't want them stained

Wed Dec 17 21:10:47 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Good point on the gutters.

Wed Dec 17 21:10:52 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:No problem, that is what Wed Night Wood Chat is all about

Wed Dec 17 21:11:25 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I am just going to start fireing off tips and cautions now, feel free to join

Wed Dec 17 21:11:41 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:????on wood tux

Wed Dec 17 21:11:45 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Maybe, but you went the extra mile. And it will mean alot to me and my business.

Wed Dec 17 21:11:58 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:You can use running water to mask concrete from overspray

Wed Dec 17 21:12:21 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:What questions do you have about tux?

Wed Dec 17 21:12:52 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:What is the expected time of how long it will last between recoats?

Wed Dec 17 21:13:34 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I would sell a recoat every year if you can, but on your own deck about 3

Wed Dec 17 21:13:39 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:2 or 3

Wed Dec 17 21:13:49 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:on a home 4 or 5

Wed Dec 17 21:14:06 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:How many coats before strripping it off?

Wed Dec 17 21:14:14 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:3

Wed Dec 17 21:14:35 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:It is made to be used with efc-38

Wed Dec 17 21:15:04 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:if you give it a light cleaning each time, you may never have to strip it completely

Wed Dec 17 21:15:07 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Login:

Wed Dec 17 21:15:07 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] IP:67.81.38.159

Wed Dec 17 21:15:07 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Great you answered my next ?

Wed Dec 17 21:15:22 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Welcome Pete

Wed Dec 17 21:15:34 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Hello All

Wed Dec 17 21:16:22 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If you are working on a home with a cedar shake roof, be aware of your chemical overspray

Wed Dec 17 21:16:25 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:How would i know if it needs to be striped completely?

Wed Dec 17 21:17:01 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:if it is getting too dark from a build up of pigment

Wed Dec 17 21:17:26 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:will the efc 38 strip it all off?

Wed Dec 17 21:17:38 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:yes at full stregnth

Wed Dec 17 21:17:44 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:great

Wed Dec 17 21:17:59 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Are we talking about a deck?

Wed Dec 17 21:18:14 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Cedar homes mostly, but the same applies to decks

Wed Dec 17 21:18:16 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:thats all for me Russ thank you

Wed Dec 17 21:18:53 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I am in NJ and I find that I am stripping more than 75% of the decks we do

Wed Dec 17 21:19:07 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Where in NJ?

Wed Dec 17 21:19:10 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If this were Wed. Night Talk About ESI Products I would tell you about the whole system and how and why it works, but I shouldn't do that on Beth's dime

Wed Dec 17 21:19:15 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:New Milford

Wed Dec 17 21:19:30 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:North?

Wed Dec 17 21:19:34 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Yes

Wed Dec 17 21:19:40 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Is it a lot of Bher that you are removing Pete?

Wed Dec 17 21:19:51 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I am 12 miles from George Washington Bridge

Wed Dec 17 21:20:08 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I am in Tabernacle outside of cherry hill a little bit

Wed Dec 17 21:20:24 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:No I actually charge more if I know in advance that its Bher

Wed Dec 17 21:20:43 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Great

Wed Dec 17 21:21:10 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I have a fellow powerwasher and friend down that way

Wed Dec 17 21:21:14 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:How do you take the Behr off?

Wed Dec 17 21:21:23 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Who?

Wed Dec 17 21:21:48 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I have had good results with Stripex-L and hot water

Wed Dec 17 21:22:21 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I normally strip with Wolmans deck strip

Wed Dec 17 21:22:26 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ I thought beth sold most of your products?

Wed Dec 17 21:22:28 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Mark Williamson

Wed Dec 17 21:22:37 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:She does

Wed Dec 17 21:22:43 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:He is 2 towns over fromme

Wed Dec 17 21:23:04 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Actually she sells everything we make I believe.

Wed Dec 17 21:23:24 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:So it should be fine to talk about it right?

Wed Dec 17 21:23:30 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If she were here she would tell you to use HD-80 insted of Stripx-L

Wed Dec 17 21:23:39 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:it is about 1/6 the cost

Wed Dec 17 21:24:02 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Actually I am not a fan of the Stripx-L price

Wed Dec 17 21:24:17 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I'm sure it is, I just don't like to self promote our products

Wed Dec 17 21:24:21 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:but I have tried other strippers and it does work

Wed Dec 17 21:24:38 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:HD-80 cost you less than 2 cents per sq/ft

Wed Dec 17 21:24:40 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:WOW!!!!!

Wed Dec 17 21:25:19 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I think it works out to like $1.48 per gallon full stregnth

Wed Dec 17 21:25:33 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:That is amazing

Wed Dec 17 21:25:42 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:But is it really comprable

Wed Dec 17 21:25:46 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:and it works too

Wed Dec 17 21:25:52 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I am a big fat liar!

Wed Dec 17 21:26:01 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:LOL

Wed Dec 17 21:26:10 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:it is $2.48 per gallon. That is why I don't like to self promote

Wed Dec 17 21:26:53 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:You said it not us!! lol

Wed Dec 17 21:27:30 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:It still works out to less than 2 cents per foot

Wed Dec 17 21:27:42 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Because I do not buy large quantities I pay over $18 .00 per gallon

Wed Dec 17 21:27:55 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:for stripx-l?

Wed Dec 17 21:27:59 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:hollycow

Wed Dec 17 21:28:15 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:What are you using to seal your decks and houses

Wed Dec 17 21:28:24 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:yes sir

Wed Dec 17 21:28:42 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Call beth. 30 lb tub of HD-80 is like $149.00 and it makes 60 gallons

Wed Dec 17 21:29:06 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I sure will

Wed Dec 17 21:29:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:that is if you have to use it full stregnth, most jobs can be done at half stregnth

Wed Dec 17 21:29:55 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Though I have become more selective of my jobs as my business has grown, I still have a need for the strong stuff

Wed Dec 17 21:30:03 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:you can use the same neutralizer as you use for the Stripx-l

Wed Dec 17 21:30:25 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Well, tell her to send you some efc-38 too.

Wed Dec 17 21:30:32 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I what is that

Wed Dec 17 21:30:41 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:you will love that stuff for the semi-transparent jobs

Wed Dec 17 21:31:03 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:It is an environmentally friendly stripper

Wed Dec 17 21:31:12 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:oh..

Wed Dec 17 21:31:18 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ will the efc-38 work on cabot or cuprinols semi?

Wed Dec 17 21:31:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:it will take off most semi-transparent finishes and doesn't harm grass or most plants

Wed Dec 17 21:31:35 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:yes

Wed Dec 17 21:31:41 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:you know i have had exceellent results by using the wolman products

Wed Dec 17 21:31:47 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:test first on cabot

Wed Dec 17 21:31:53 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:cool did not know that

Wed Dec 17 21:32:05 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:but i am always looking for better and more economical products

Wed Dec 17 21:32:20 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I think you will be very happy

Wed Dec 17 21:32:34 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I used to be a wolman certified contractor

Wed Dec 17 21:32:55 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Yes ...I still am

Wed Dec 17 21:33:08 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:but i dont participate in the program

Wed Dec 17 21:33:21 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:who really does now

Wed Dec 17 21:33:27 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I just like the products because I get consistent results

Wed Dec 17 21:33:38 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:bingo

Wed Dec 17 21:33:48 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:That is what it's all about right there

Wed Dec 17 21:33:55 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:predictability

Wed Dec 17 21:34:04 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:DEfinitely

Wed Dec 17 21:34:38 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ Should I use efc-38 at full strength ffor stripping semis off?

Wed Dec 17 21:34:41 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I have experimented by mixing and matching and I always seem to end up in the same place

Wed Dec 17 21:35:20 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:test at half

Wed Dec 17 21:35:57 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I have a house question

Wed Dec 17 21:37:12 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:On a cedar shake house...you strip, you neutralize , Do any of you ever do any sanding before resealing

Wed Dec 17 21:37:38 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:is it rough sawn shack?

Wed Dec 17 21:37:44 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I never have

Wed Dec 17 21:38:11 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:yes

Wed Dec 17 21:38:33 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:there is no use too sand then

Wed Dec 17 21:39:19 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I was called in last year to finish a job that a young man with a home depot machine had started

Wed Dec 17 21:39:40 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:oh boy

Wed Dec 17 21:40:11 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:WE all know what the fuzzies are ....but he gave this house the fuzzooos

Wed Dec 17 21:40:23 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:you could have braided the stuff

Wed Dec 17 21:40:32 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:lol

Wed Dec 17 21:40:41 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:sounds like a candidate for cob blasting

Wed Dec 17 21:41:26 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I looked at it and explained to the home owner that too much pressure was used. She wanted me to sand it ans start over

Wed Dec 17 21:41:31 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I passed

Wed Dec 17 21:41:48 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:proally a good thing you did

Wed Dec 17 21:42:10 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I would have ran away

Wed Dec 17 21:42:10 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Thats why i was wondering if any of you sanded and if so ho would you charge for that

Wed Dec 17 21:42:23 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:by the hour

Wed Dec 17 21:42:35 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:thats for sure

Wed Dec 17 21:42:48 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:at least 100.00

Wed Dec 17 21:42:51 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:well like I said I try to be real selective of the work I take on

Wed Dec 17 21:43:05 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:if I am in the mood to sand, it's only a billion per hour. If I'm not in the mood watch out

Wed Dec 17 21:43:22 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:We try to never sand. That is what the chems are for.

Wed Dec 17 21:43:25 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:hate to **** you off

Wed Dec 17 21:43:31 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I agree

Wed Dec 17 21:43:38 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I just don't like to sand

Wed Dec 17 21:43:59 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:it's personal, if I am sanding it is because I made a mistake usually

Wed Dec 17 21:44:28 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:what aout your fuzzies?

Wed Dec 17 21:45:19 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:What fuzzies?

Wed Dec 17 21:45:34 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:lol

Wed Dec 17 21:45:50 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Lightly use a 3M medium or fine scrub pad but never sand paper

Wed Dec 17 21:46:27 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:the ones that fall off!!

Wed Dec 17 21:46:47 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If it is the very first time a deck has ever been cleaned, you can expect some light fuzzing "Mrs. Jones" This is normal and nothing to be concerned about. In most cases the fuzzing will go away in time.

Wed Dec 17 21:47:06 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:how are you guys sealing you surfaces?? Do you spray, brush or roll??

Wed Dec 17 21:47:23 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Spray / Back Brush

Wed Dec 17 21:47:24 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:spray and pads

Wed Dec 17 21:47:40 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I like pads!

Wed Dec 17 21:47:46 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I spray and Back BRush also

Wed Dec 17 21:48:14 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Msg:Good nite all. Have a great holiday season.

Wed Dec 17 21:48:24 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Good night Jim.

Wed Dec 17 21:48:29 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I only spray on bigger decks anything over 10x12 or so

Wed Dec 17 21:48:33 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I have been using a deckhand since 1998 and I just got a Graco 190es sprayer

Wed Dec 17 21:48:38 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:see ya jim

Wed Dec 17 21:48:38 2003:JimCrossley [0/] Logout:_

Wed Dec 17 21:49:16 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Using the graco will go alot faster than using the deckhand

Wed Dec 17 21:49:27 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Is it airless?

Wed Dec 17 21:49:29 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:yes

Wed Dec 17 21:49:38 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:High pressure?

Wed Dec 17 21:49:47 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:yes

Wed Dec 17 21:50:03 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:II havent even assembled it yet

Wed Dec 17 21:50:05 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I object again

Wed Dec 17 21:50:10 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:send it back

Wed Dec 17 21:50:17 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:really?

Wed Dec 17 21:50:20 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:whhy

Wed Dec 17 21:50:22 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:get another deck hand

Wed Dec 17 21:50:32 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:a couple reasons.

Wed Dec 17 21:50:34 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I do love the deck hand

Wed Dec 17 21:51:11 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:first, the friction created by the high pressure stain passing through the orfice creats heat

Wed Dec 17 21:51:23 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Who still carries the deck hand?

Wed Dec 17 21:51:25 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:the heat causes your finish to cure out funny

Wed Dec 17 21:51:42 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I think Beth will have them in the spring

Wed Dec 17 21:51:53 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:good

Wed Dec 17 21:52:21 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:also the fine mist will carry on the wind all the way over to that unreasonable ladys house

Wed Dec 17 21:52:53 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:it is not a good idea to run chemicals through an airless

Wed Dec 17 21:53:08 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I actually built a second deckhand...but the real thing is more proffesional looking and mine has paid for itself a hundred times over

Wed Dec 17 21:53:13 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:they are hard to work on

Wed Dec 17 21:53:29 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Deck hands rock

Wed Dec 17 21:53:40 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:for this application

Wed Dec 17 21:53:54 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Russel where are you located

Wed Dec 17 21:53:55 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Besides maybe Beth who else carries it?

Wed Dec 17 21:54:05 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Sunny St Louis MO

Wed Dec 17 21:54:13 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Sun Bright

Wed Dec 17 21:54:46 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Goto the deck hand site for a complete list of dealers

Wed Dec 17 21:54:59 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:oh the deckster. What do you think of the hurricane brush?

Wed Dec 17 21:55:15 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I would like to have a NJ rountable soon

Wed Dec 17 21:55:33 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I think they only go down once a year

Wed Dec 17 21:56:03 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I am sure Everett wil have one near Feb.

Wed Dec 17 21:56:17 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Really?

Wed Dec 17 21:56:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Are you guys going to pwna?

Wed Dec 17 21:56:43 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Cant do it this year

Wed Dec 17 21:56:45 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I think that our business is very unique and that peopl like yourselves make it better

Wed Dec 17 21:56:50 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:I am not

Wed Dec 17 21:57:14 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:It's a fun business once you get all the kinks worked out

Wed Dec 17 21:57:21 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:so I hear

Wed Dec 17 21:57:26 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:lol

Wed Dec 17 21:57:29 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I need it closer to home to afford the trip

Wed Dec 17 21:58:09 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:Well gents.. it has been a pleasure but I must go

Wed Dec 17 21:58:10 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Pete he had one back in October

Wed Dec 17 21:58:26 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:See later

Wed Dec 17 21:58:32 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I was at that one, Beth hosted it in MD

Wed Dec 17 21:58:32 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:PLease feel free to email me at Plescaille@apws1.com

Wed Dec 17 21:58:42 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:So was I

Wed Dec 17 21:58:48 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:dam

Wed Dec 17 21:58:48 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Good night Pete

Wed Dec 17 21:58:52 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:NIght

Wed Dec 17 21:58:57 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Msg:thanks AGain

Wed Dec 17 21:59:01 2003:PETELESCAILLE [0/] Logout:_

Wed Dec 17 21:59:19 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Well

Wed Dec 17 21:59:38 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Im thinking

Wed Dec 17 22:00:26 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Looks like I will be using the wood tux on a problem deck I had this year

Wed Dec 17 22:00:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Thinking about going up on your prices next season?

Wed Dec 17 22:00:51 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Thats great, good luck with it.

Wed Dec 17 22:01:07 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I had a deck that was 2300 sqft no including railings

Wed Dec 17 22:01:30 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:And that is a lot of railings not to include!

Wed Dec 17 22:01:37 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:the lady insisted on cabots clear solution weather grey

Wed Dec 17 22:01:49 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:it turned out like ......

Wed Dec 17 22:01:50 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Should have fired her!

Wed Dec 17 22:02:10 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I am big on "Selling" the stain

Wed Dec 17 22:02:21 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:The railings were only about 35 ft long

Wed Dec 17 22:02:35 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:the rest of the deck is ground level

Wed Dec 17 22:03:00 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:If the customer does not likle what I use they're fired

Wed Dec 17 22:03:14 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I have used cabots before with no problems

Wed Dec 17 22:03:21 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:never used the weather grey

Wed Dec 17 22:03:36 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I did tell her to go with a semi

Wed Dec 17 22:03:43 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:her deck is 10 yrs old

Wed Dec 17 22:03:59 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:it was totally blotchy looking

Wed Dec 17 22:04:17 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Another pwr here took a look at for me

Wed Dec 17 22:04:43 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Said he had the same problem with another deck with the same product

Wed Dec 17 22:05:09 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:needlees to say in the spring its coming off and getting redone

Wed Dec 17 22:05:15 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Lack of predictability is the root of almost all problems

Wed Dec 17 22:05:49 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I saw the one deck Reed did with wood tux . it was the gold color one

Wed Dec 17 22:05:59 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:that looked great

Wed Dec 17 22:06:18 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:You can not possibly predict what every single product will do you, can only get good at predicting what you use everyday

Wed Dec 17 22:06:28 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I like the gold color

Wed Dec 17 22:06:38 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:The customer wants the deck to look natural

Wed Dec 17 22:06:39 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:My favorite is the Western Cedar

Wed Dec 17 22:06:52 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:I like it a little darker though.

Wed Dec 17 22:07:05 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:I do too

Wed Dec 17 22:07:53 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Russ thanks for the info again. Im sure we will chat again

Wed Dec 17 22:07:59 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:So, about going up on your price?

Wed Dec 17 22:08:04 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:Im going to bed

Wed Dec 17 22:08:12 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:not sure yet

Wed Dec 17 22:08:14 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Dream about a price increase

Wed Dec 17 22:08:40 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Have a great night

Wed Dec 17 22:08:45 2003:Russell_C [0/] Msg:Thanks for joining

Wed Dec 17 22:08:46 2003:Firedkm [0/] Msg:you too chow

Wed Dec 17 22:08:53 2003:Firedkm [0/] Logout:_

Wed Dec 17 22:08:56 2003:Russell_C [0/] Logout:_