Beth n Rod

:lol: yeah, TMI Rod!~

Wow...this one ends soon! I better get some photos up. Beth

Ken, Great post. Thank you! :) Beth

And here is this: On The Job Training. None ever considers the costs of labor wages lost in minimally productive periods for training purposes not to mention those of the person(s) having to conduct the training who is not working anywhere near core efficiency. One could say that it would be made up in that person becoming productive, but how many trainee's does one have to go through to find one that becomes productive? How does one recoup those costs for the numerous individuals who do not work out or quit? You don't! Minimum wage is a joke because noone in our area is paid it. People won't come to an interview for anything less than $12.00/hr and even then the capabilities of those individuals who do show are mostly unskilled , untrained, inexperienced uneducated and worst of all unmotivated. And the topping on the Sundae is that they want to be the Supervisor!!! Sick leave, group insurance, holiday pay benefits, bonuses, unemployment insurance, workmans compensation insurance...they are all gimmicks to motivate the work force but often we (the businesses) are left footing the bill and struggling to make up for lost time that this pampered work force creates. This is what I have learned. Now I am on the lookout for stuff like what Jeff posts because it does affect our business and our families future which is provided by this business. I love what I do, and I don't mind going out and bringing in new blood to help, I just don't like outside forces acting against my will or our companies well being. Rod!~

Update.... http://www.deckexpo.com/DeckExpo07/public/Content.aspx?ID=7533&left=1&Nav=1

Yeah, and my question is this: what's in it for him? I say; Keep your legislation off my business especially when it comes to what benefits my company provides. I have had enough slackers in the past who have drained the well keeping those who have earned them from getting good benefits. This type of legislation only serves to drain the economy and further spread the poverty/affluent gap in an effort to dissolve the middle class. Ted Kennedy has not shown to have had the small business mans interest when making his bills. Hell, he is well off, why should he care whose business it hurts as long as it isn't hurting him directly? With his longstanding record in office being one fraught with problems and retributions, he has no business making any decisions for anyone else. Off my soapbox now. :rant: Rod!~

http://www.americanfenceassociation.com/ftp/fencetech/FT07_AttendeeBro_lowr.pdf This covers decks, fences, composites and so forth. The schedule looks very nice! Beth

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Well I would believe that....EXCEPT...something was sent from the same area 4 days AFTER the day the check was supposedly mailed, it is here, the check isn't. It's BS. It was NOT mailed. It's just another lame excuse... Beth

19:41:38 [Join Room] Russell_C 19:41:38 [Login] Russell_C 19:41:38 [iP] Russell_C: 172.161.98.172 19:56:06 [Login] bethnrod 19:56:06 [iP] bethnrod: 4.185.126.254 19:56:06 [Join Room] bethnrod 19:56:12 [Grant Admin] bethnrod -> Russell_C 19:59:31 [Message] bethnrod : good evening 19:59:43 [Message] Russell_C : Welcome to wood chat. 20:00:28 [Message] bethnrod : Hope to see some folks in here tonight 20:00:52 [Message] Russell_C : We'll see 20:01:13 [Join Room] davidv 20:01:13 [Login] davidv 20:01:13 [iP] davidv: 71.79.134.255 20:01:27 [Message] bethnrod : Hi david 20:01:30 [Message] Russell_C : Welcom David 20:01:43 [Message] davidv : HELLO ALL 20:02:15 [Message] Russell_C : David, is this your first time joining a chat room? 20:02:24 [Message] davidv : No 20:02:35 [Message] davidv : I was at the roof chats 20:02:47 [Message] davidv : I type real slow 20:02:49 [Message] Russell_C : Ok, good. You can feel free to fire away any questions you've got. 20:03:13 [Message] Russell_C : Slow works good for me 20:03:22 [Message] davidv : I'M real green on decks 20:03:38 [Message] bethnrod : David, do you do any wood care or decks? 20:03:42 [Message] davidv : did some labor 4 learning with Barry M 20:03:47 [Message] bethnrod : lol you beat me to it! 20:04:00 [Message] davidv : mainly decks 20:04:48 [Message] davidv : I hear to learn anything i can 20:05:18 [Message] davidv : 1st roof chat i just soaked it all in 20:05:30 [Message] bethnrod : what kind of decks have you done? PT? Cedar? 20:05:47 [Message] davidv : pt 20:06:21 [Message] davidv : mainly just used pressure...until i found TGS 20:06:36 [Login] Rod 20:06:36 [iP] Rod: 4.185.126.254 20:06:36 [Join Room] Rod 20:06:43 [Message] davidv : diHi rod 20:06:57 [Message] Rod : Hello 20:07:16 [Message] Russell_C : Welcome Rod 20:07:42 [Message] Rod : Thanks Russell, all ok with you? 20:07:56 [Message] Russell_C : Things are well, thanks 20:08:01 [Message] davidv : Have a guy who wants me to remove latex from 2 decks 20:08:05 [Message] Rod : great. 20:08:20 [Message] davidv : any advice on that 20:08:46 [Login] Littlefield 20:08:46 [iP] Littlefield: 66.44.196.131 20:08:46 [Join Room] Littlefield 20:09:06 [Message] Rod : Hello Rich :) 20:09:09 [Message] Littlefield : Hello, anyone chatting 20:09:09 [Message] Russell_C : Welcome Rich 20:09:17 [Message] Littlefield : There you all are! 20:09:41 [Message] Russell_C : David is looking for a solution for romoving laytex stain from a couple decks 20:09:49 [Message] Littlefield : David, don't recognize your name. 20:09:59 [Message] Rod : davidv: gotta match??? 20:10:00 [Message] bethnrod : Hi Rich! 20:10:03 [Message] Littlefield : Doradostrip, no problem 20:10:24 [Message] Rod : JK, what brand latex was it? 20:10:24 [Message] davidv : Thanks 20:10:26 [Message] Littlefield : Spray on at night, leave till next morning, remove with wet vac 20:10:55 [Message] Littlefield : Product will cost you a buck a foot. Are you comfortable with an airless? 20:10:58 [Message] Rod : Never heard o fit Rich, whose product is that? 20:11:10 [Message] davidv : no 20:11:33 [Message] Littlefield : Rod, DoradoChem. It works so good, everytime they go to hit mainstream, someone else private labels it. 20:11:57 [Message] Littlefield : DAvid, that is the best way to apply. Where are you located, near GA 20:12:05 [Message] Littlefield : Near GA? 20:12:14 [Message] davidv : rod lol i finally got it 20:12:21 [Message] Rod : Russ's product should be able to handle it with a little additive, Russ, do you have any input here? 20:12:41 [Message] davidv : I'm from ohio 20:12:48 [Message] Russell_C : Hd-80 with the boost would work 20:13:07 [Message] Littlefield : Much cheaper too. 20:13:16 [Message] davidv : what kind of boost 20:13:19 [Message] Littlefield : I was thinking acrylic, not latex 20:13:55 [Message] Russell_C : I would try straight HD-80 first 20:14:06 [Message] davidv : O.K. 20:14:14 [Message] Russell_C : You probably wouldn't even need to boost it 20:14:28 [Message] Rod : Acrylic's are the boon to wood restoration, I'll tell you right now, get ready for more stuff with it in it. 20:15:44 [Message] Russell_C : Have you been seeing more in the North East? 20:15:50 [Message] bethnrod : Yes! 20:16:08 [Message] Littlefield : ARe they the boon or the bane, Rod? 20:16:56 [Message] Rod : Hey Russ, been seeing more decks lately with tree sap/pitch whatever you want to call it. after stripping, do you have any suggestions to help get more out of the wood? 20:17:05 [Login] BarryM 20:17:05 [iP] BarryM: 71.193.97.146 20:17:06 [Join Room] BarryM 20:17:08 [Message] Rod : OK, bane 20:17:21 [Message] Russell_C : Welcome Barry 20:17:22 [Message] davidv : He also has a dock with sitting area...would it be o.k. for the fish 20:17:29 [Message] BarryM : sup guys 20:17:30 [Message] davidv : Hey BRO 20:17:35 [Message] Russell_C : Rod, is it concentrated or is it in veins? 20:17:36 [Message] BarryM : you too David 20:17:54 [Message] davidv : lol 20:18:00 [Message] Littlefield : Ha, Rod has tree sap in his veins... 20:18:14 [Message] Rod : It is widespread. Like someone took and spread it around all under where the tree overhangs the deck. 20:18:20 [Message] bethnrod : Rod is just a big sweet sap! :) 20:18:35 [Message] Rod : not tree sap, Dr. Pepper!!! 20:18:42 [Message] Littlefield : Rod's been sleeping on the job. 20:18:49 [Message] bethnrod : we have seen sap come off of dripping pine cones too 20:18:59 [Message] Rod : Caught again. 20:19:03 [Message] Rod : dang it 20:19:11 [Message] Rod : tattle tail.. 20:19:11 [Message] bethnrod : Hi Barry!1 20:19:15 [Message] BarryM : David r u just lurking? 20:19:19 [Message] davidv : Barry was that HD-80 we used on those decks 20:19:19 [Message] BarryM : hey rod 20:19:31 [Message] Rod : hey barry 20:19:32 [Message] BarryM : no..........Timberstrip 20:19:54 [Message] BarryM : hey is Beth here too 20:20:21 [Message] Rod : I think david is waiting for more feedback on stripping latex 20:20:32 [Message] BarryM : urrrrrrgghhh 20:20:38 [Message] Rod : Yep , she is. 20:20:44 [Message] BarryM : hi Beth 20:21:03 [Message] Littlefield : I like to coat with stripper, cover with .3 mil plastic, and let sit a while. 20:21:06 [Message] Russell_C : David, do you know how many coats you are dealing with? 20:21:22 [Message] davidv : 2 or 3 20:21:42 [Message] Russell_C : I'm with Rich, wait a good 45 min or more 20:21:46 [Message] BarryM : LF does that just keep it wet, so you don't have to keep applying chems? 20:21:58 [Message] Littlefield : It's irritating to keep re-applying the stripper. I'd rather fuzz the wood up, then buff it off quickly, and apply copious amounts of stain to the (now) absorbent wood. 20:22:32 [Message] Littlefield : Yes, wetter is better. Go drink a coke, or beer if you're a painter. 20:22:47 [Message] Rod : I find we always need to defur the deck after stripping anyway so I let the stripper dwell as long as needed. 20:22:54 [Message] Russell_C : Agitating with a brush will also speed the process up 20:22:56 [Message] Littlefield : Bingo 20:23:13 [Message] Littlefield : Bingo to brushing and dwelling and buffing. 20:23:24 [Message] davidv : Great 20:23:37 [Message] Russell_C : When you are dealing with multiple layers, you can often seperate them with agitation rather than waiting for them to fully emulsify 20:23:49 [Message] BarryM : hey David use your dirt killer......lol 20:23:51 [Message] Littlefield : Less labor cost to figure the buffing than try to get the timing exact on a latex or acrylic. 20:24:11 [user Status] Rod -> Away 20:24:36 [Message] Littlefield : And with the brush, you're not getting rid of the stripper like with a presure washer just to find out it's not coming up yet. 20:24:41 [Message] davidv : these are up and down decks 20:24:59 [Message] Littlefield : Two stories? 20:25:08 [Message] davidv : just keep bottom one wet 20:25:14 [Message] davidv : yes 20:26:09 [Message] Russell_C : David, that would depend on the total square footage and if you are going to be able to complete them both in the same day 20:26:42 [Message] davidv : I should be able to. there 16x32 20:26:53 [Message] Littlefield : The product I use on these things is very expensive materials wise, but very cheap on labor. I still think there may be an application for a gel here. The larger the project, the more sequencing comes in to play. 20:26:53 [Message] BarryM : what do you guys defur with, what tool? I have some of those old defurring pads that BethnRod used to sell and I put them on my cordless drill but its a pain. 20:27:10 [Message] Russell_C : Once the chemical has worked, the rinsing off doesn't take very long. Slather them both up at the same time. 20:27:18 [Message] Littlefield : On defurring, makita 9227c with an osborne brush, not pad. 20:27:46 [Message] Littlefield : This time of year, keeping them wet shouldn't be too hard I guess. 20:27:49 [Message] davidv : great...i had thought about that 20:28:05 [Login] aspen contractors 20:28:05 [Join Room] aspen contractors 20:28:09 [Message] Russell_C : Rich, how did you like working with the hang time to slow drying? 20:28:10 [Message] davidv : It'll be late spring 20:28:12 [Message] Littlefield : I was concerned most with the railing system as far as wetting and keeping wet. 20:28:29 [Message] Russell_C : Welcome Aspen 20:28:34 [Message] aspen contractors : Thank you 20:28:40 [Message] davidv : railing on top deck only 20:29:12 [Message] Littlefield : It does work, to slow drying. Just don't add too much. WE turned one 5 gallon pail into jello. 20:29:20 [Message] Rod : If the lower deck is below the upper and gives it a great deal of shade, the lower one will be your greates challenge. 20:29:43 [Message] Rod : oof greatest 20:29:45 [Message] davidv : that's it exactly 20:29:47 [Message] Littlefield : Adding water and mixing just gives you chunks in water. 20:30:03 [Message] Rod : paint strainer will help 20:30:13 [Message] Russell_C : Rich, thats why I don't push that pruduct much. It can be tought to get the hang of 20:30:17 [Message] Littlefield : Aspen, are you from colorado? Jst guessing 20:30:29 [Message] Littlefield : DEck guy or log homes? 20:30:36 [Message] aspen contractors : no wife was from there. we actually reside in maryland 20:30:36 [Message] davidv : bottom has a hot tub on it 20:30:47 [Message] aspen contractors : learning the deck ropes 20:30:49 [Message] Littlefield : Like the name 20:31:01 [Message] aspen contractors : thank you 20:31:14 [Message] Rod : russ, I have tried adding a foaming agent to hd-80 and it acts like a thickener but with the effect of making it keep from drying so fast and it clings better. 20:31:43 [Message] Rod : Where in Maryland? 20:31:49 [Message] aspen contractors : aberdeen 20:31:52 [Message] Russell_C : There are several foamers that you can add once it is in a liqud solution that will work 20:31:54 [Message] aspen contractors : northeast 20:31:54 [Message] Littlefield : Anyone try using one of the Stuttner guns to really get the foam going like the Kec guys? 20:32:09 [Message] Rod : anyone in particular that you suggest? 20:32:20 [Message] bethnrod : Hi Rob!!! 20:32:23 [Message] Russell_C : You have to be careful not to get ahold of one with the wrong surfactant type or you will find yourself rinsing forever. 20:32:26 [Message] aspen contractors : hey beth 20:32:30 [Message] Littlefield : I guess Matt Bryan would be the one to ask 20:32:43 [Message] Rod : noted! 20:33:07 [Message] BarryM : Does anyone DS their stripper? 20:33:26 [Message] Russell_C : We make a stripper designed to be downstreamed 20:33:36 [Message] Littlefield : Talking to a guy today that has a blasting media that is microbialcidal, is that a word? 20:33:37 [Message] Russell_C : it is safer than DS something like HD-80 20:33:38 [Message] Rod : no, we use a pumptec sprayer for all stripping applications 20:34:04 [Message] Rod : you mean antimicrobial? 20:34:20 [Message] Russell_C : He means they soak the cob in enzymes 20:34:34 [Message] aspen contractors : rod od is pumptec and certain kind? 20:34:34 [Message] Littlefield : Its proprietary, but I'll keep you guys posted, he's supposed to be releasing it soon. 20:34:47 [Message] Russell_C : or they've empregnated it with an anti-microbial 20:34:49 [Message] Littlefield : Rod, thats right, and Russ, I don't think its cob. 20:35:01 [Message] Littlefield : I'm thinking bakin soda with extras 20:35:11 [Message] Rod : the decker 5'er. We have the cart version and the pump set up only versions. 20:35:24 [Message] Russell_C : I have seen that done with blasting media for dams and hydro electric plants 20:35:49 [Message] BarryM : David u need to come over for some more deck lessons? 20:35:50 [Message] Littlefield : baking soda is used for mold remediation 20:36:08 [Message] Russell_C : they will use cob in those cases because it ois much easier to recover 20:37:08 [Message] Russell_C : Rich I spoke to someone from your neck of the woods today 20:37:09 [Message] davidv : Why more honeydo lists lol 20:37:23 [Message] Littlefield : Boil the water, and you have quick made grits, right? 20:37:37 [Message] Russell_C : They were talking about cob blasting a house 20:37:39 [Message] Rod : davidv ???? 20:37:44 [Message] BarryM : I got 12 to do this spring 20:37:45 [Message] Littlefield : Russ, really? 20:37:51 [Message] Russell_C : yes 20:38:33 [Message] Russell_C : You are in/near Ellijay right? 20:38:37 [Message] davidv : did Barry's honey do list on my labor 4 learning 20:38:40 [Message] Littlefield : I'd offer to help, but I've got two going right now. 20:39:03 [Message] Littlefield : yeah, right in Ellijay, r u serious? 20:39:12 [Message] Littlefield : or is it me? 20:39:15 [Message] Russell_C : Well sure 20:39:22 [Message] Russell_C : no, it's not you 20:39:43 [Message] Littlefield : If they aren't cheap, I don';t mind... 20:39:59 [Message] davidv : Maybe, Barry we'll see 20:40:26 [Message] Littlefield : Are they new in the biz? Shoot me an email I'll see if I know them. Rare if I don't. I try to keep up. 20:40:56 [Message] BarryM : I know you'll be busy too, just would be cool to hook up again. 20:41:09 [Message] Russell_C : Rich, I'm sure you know of them 20:41:12 [Message] davidv : No doubt 20:41:31 [Message] Rod : david must have done well in helping Barry with his honey doo list! 20:41:32 [Message] bethnrod : Is that the one in GA I sent to you today Russ? 20:41:53 [Message] bethnrod : Someone in GA called looking for HD today 20:42:00 [Message] Russell_C : Yes, the woman did mention your name 20:42:09 [Message] BarryM : anyone here use an airless for sealing? If so what brand do u like 20:42:20 [Message] bethnrod : If it is for logs send her back!!! 20:42:44 [Message] Rod : I have a wagner 3500psi, actually, 2 of them 20:42:57 [Message] Rod : I use it for applying solid stainds. 20:43:04 [Join Room] CarolinaProWash 20:43:08 [Message] aspen contractors : Barry i have used an wagner HVLP on lattice 20:43:22 [Message] bethnrod : Well it's about time woman! 20:43:34 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Sorry 20:43:40 [Message] Littlefield : Fashionably late. 20:43:47 [Message] bethnrod : Isn't she? 20:43:50 [Message] Russell_C : Welcome Celeste 20:44:23 [Message] BarryM : I was looking at a Titian 440I today, pretty nice. 20:44:28 [Message] Rod : Hey Celeste, tell Roger to put down the remote and get on the keys, ya lazy dog! :) 20:44:40 [Message] Littlefield : I love my Titan 440I 20:44:46 [Message] CarolinaProWash : We have a 440I - but it's collecting dust :) 20:44:55 [Message] Littlefield : when its not in the shop 20:44:59 [Message] Littlefield : J/K 20:45:13 [Message] Littlefield : First one I had 4 years before packings went 20:45:32 [Message] Littlefield : Celeste, take it off your hands? 20:45:58 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Not quite yet......I think we'll still find some use for it. 20:46:15 [Message] BarryM : brb 20:46:31 [Message] Littlefield : Darn, last week someting on the circuit board went on mine, a first for me. 20:47:03 [Message] Russell_C : I hear the old paint pots are making a comeback 20:47:19 [Message] Littlefield : Same week, my high boy lost a seal, and deckster pump went out, driving me nuts 20:47:28 [Message] Littlefield : Russ, hvlp? 20:47:44 [Message] Russell_C : Yeah, but the old schllo type 20:47:46 [Message] Littlefield : Got a 2.5 gallon pot, now THATS gathering dust. 20:47:52 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Roger hasn't played with his deckster in a while either.....the Deck Beast is handling everything :) 20:47:53 [Message] Rod : this year has been the year of breakdowns and equipment repairs. 20:48:14 [Message] Littlefield : Nothing I could do with that that I can't do with an airless and a fine finish tip faster. 20:48:59 [Message] Russell_C : I will take that argumet 20:49:00 [Message] aspen contractors : How does everyone apply sealer? I know that kind of sounds stupid but curious 20:49:00 [Message] CarolinaProWash : BRB - need to help Rog get logged in :) 20:49:42 [Message] Littlefield : Russ, agree or not? 20:50:01 [Message] Russell_C : I would be willing to argue with you on that point 20:50:10 [Login] Roger 20:50:10 [iP] Roger: 24.167.128.231 20:50:10 [Join Room] Roger 20:50:25 [Message] Rod : decker by pumptec is what we apply with. follow up with a stain pad for uniformity . 20:50:41 [Message] Roger : Hi all 20:50:42 [Message] Littlefield : I've sprayed doors, trim, decks, polyurethane, paint, and still, a 209 in my airless is less overspray, and more volume. 20:50:54 [Message] Rod : oh s***T, he logged in....uh, hey Roger, uh what's up? 20:51:03 [Message] Russell_C : I am thinking specificly for staining homes 20:51:11 [Message] Roger : Not much 20:51:18 [Message] Russell_C : Welcome Roger 20:51:19 [Message] Littlefield : Too slow, 20:51:37 [Message] CarolinaProWash : I know our staining set up went considerably faster than applying with the deckster 20:51:48 [Message] Littlefield : unless you're using something different than what I used. 20:52:05 [Message] Littlefield : It was hurry up and wait all day long 20:52:10 [Message] Roger : Well Russell what about the stain rig we used 20:52:18 [Message] Russell_C : I can honestly say, I have never seen anything stain faster than Rogers set up 20:52:27 [Message] Rod : what is that ??? 20:52:35 [Join Room] bigchaz 20:52:36 [Message] Roger : the wood beast 20:52:39 [Message] CarolinaProWash : It's the Wood Beast!!!! 20:52:49 [Message] Rod : who makes it? 20:52:52 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Roger 20:52:56 [Message] Rod : out of?> 20:52:57 [Message] Littlefield : I'll agree, and I haven't seen it in action, just sitting still it looks fast 20:53:00 [Message] Russell_C : I don't think you could apply stain any faster 20:53:21 [Message] Rod : hello bigchaz 20:53:25 [Message] Littlefield : Its a stain pumping pressure washer type thingy 20:53:28 [Message] bigchaz : Howdy 20:53:31 [Message] Roger : Rod I will show you the beast when you come down 20:53:33 [Message] Rod : lol 20:53:54 [Message] Russell_C : Roger really took it to the next level with that design 20:54:05 [Message] Roger : thanks 20:54:05 [Message] Rod : ok, are you going to start manufacturing them and putting 666 on them??? lol 20:54:10 [Message] Russell_C : It's not for the faint of heart though 20:54:39 [Message] Rod : that's funny 20:54:43 [Message] CarolinaProWash : The washer end of it ain't too shabby either :) 20:55:13 [Message] Roger : Not 666, maybe a Tazmanian Devil with a staining gun in its hand 20:55:16 [Message] Russell_C : Yeah, but I have seen bigger, stronger, faster washers 20:55:48 [Message] Littlefield : With that soft touch , though, Russ? 20:56:02 [Message] Russell_C : I about had a heart attach when i did the math on the machine he was building. Then to see it in action was awsome. 20:56:11 [Message] CarolinaProWash : :) 20:56:22 [Message] aspen contractors : must be really impressive 20:56:26 [Message] Littlefield : Rog got done lat year what I was supposed to get built. 20:56:43 [Message] Littlefield : Go ahead, Roger brag a little. 20:56:54 [Message] Roger : It's not pretty but it works well 20:57:10 [Message] Littlefield : I like just thinking about waht people look like while thinking of it. 20:57:18 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Not pretty is the understatement of the year! 20:57:23 [Message] Roger : lol 20:57:26 [Message] Russell_C : I watched a two story wall about 30 foot wide get stained in record time 20:58:06 [Message] Russell_C : While holding a camera and laughing my butt off 20:58:25 [Message] CarolinaProWash : You never held that camera....the tripod did! LOL 20:58:42 [Message] Russell_C : Well, I leaned on it and looked real cool 20:58:48 [Message] Roger : I would say it out prayed the decker 5 hand down. Russ just think if I was to put the second gun on it. 20:58:50 [Message] aspen contractors : sounds like video clips are needed 20:59:10 [Message] Littlefield : Ditto 20:59:11 [Message] CarolinaProWash : There is some video somewhere...... 20:59:14 [Message] Russell_C : I would say that it does the work of 3 - 4 deckers 20:59:29 [Message] Littlefield : See you on youtube 20:59:34 [Message] Russell_C : No doubt if you add the second gun 20:59:41 [Message] Rod : so what are we talking about in GPM and PSI? 21:00:22 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Have to go back somewhere and look.....hang on :) 21:00:27 [Message] aspen contractors : sounds like we are talking a 2000 sq ft home in what about 45 minutes time? setup included? 21:00:28 [Message] BarryM : i'm back........hi Celeste hi Roger 21:01:12 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Hi Barry 21:01:56 [Disconnect] Roger 21:02:20 [Join Room] roger 21:02:23 [Message] Russell_C : If it were single story, everything was set up and Celeste would stay out of his way, I would put $100.00 down that Roger could stain it in 45 min 21:02:41 [Message] CarolinaProWash : *whip* 21:02:51 [Message] aspen contractors : :o 21:03:05 [Message] BarryM : lol 21:03:16 [Message] BarryM : do it again 21:03:22 [Message] Russell_C : The idea isn't to work fast though. It is to work efficiently 21:03:24 [Message] CarolinaProWash : I was NOT in the way....I was taking pictures !*whip* 21:03:43 [Message] bethnrod : *whip* 21:03:56 [Message] BarryM : thank you sir may I have another 21:04:04 [Message] aspen contractors : true 21:04:04 [Message] CarolinaProWash : *meow* 21:04:09 [Message] roger : the pressure is 300 psi (adj) and I think that the gpm is close to 2.5 or 3 21:04:10 [Message] Russell_C : I'm just saying, I have never seen anyone roll around on the ground with the neighbors puppy on a job site before. 21:04:16 [Message] BarryM : u guys are too much 21:04:16 [Message] Rod : no! 21:04:53 [Message] CarolinaProWash : I'll bet Max has gotten big now :) 21:04:53 [Message] aspen contractors : ok now who did the meow? my cats are flipping...lol 21:05:06 [Message] CarolinaProWash : *bird* 21:05:11 [Message] bethnrod : *meow* 21:05:12 [Message] aspen contractors : oh no 21:05:14 [Message] davidv : Thanks alot. Gotta go 21:05:25 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Don't go.....we'll get back on task 21:05:29 [Message] Russell_C : Thanks for joining David 21:05:30 [Message] BarryM : Beth your over the top 21:05:34 [Message] bethnrod : ok everyone talk about wood again before we lose the room! 21:05:49 [Message] bethnrod : thanks Barry! :) 21:06:03 [Message] BarryM : he was leaving anyway see ya David 21:06:05 [Disconnect] davidv 21:06:15 [Message] BarryM : we just got off the phone together 21:06:23 [Message] BarryM : bedtime for him 21:06:30 [Message] roger : the only bad thing about the washer is @ 9.7 gpm I have to wait sometimes. 21:06:36 [Message (Priv.)] Russell_C -> Littlefield: I appreciate the heads up 21:06:57 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Isn't he from NC Barry? Maybe he'll hook up with us sometime. 21:06:58 [Message] aspen contractors : roger your washer is 9.7 gpm? whats the psi? 21:07:01 [Message] Russell_C : I have a hydrant adaptor I will sell you 21:07:08 [Message] roger : max 1500 21:07:14 [Message] BarryM : Celeste he's from OH 21:07:15 [Message] CarolinaProWash : We can't play with the hydrants here Russ 21:07:19 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Oh okay 21:07:23 [Message] aspen contractors : nice 21:07:26 [Message] BarryM : thinking about moving to Mertle Beach 21:07:35 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Cool :) 21:08:00 [Message] BarryM : he is, not me 21:08:06 [Message] roger : I made it just for wood so I didn't see no reason for really high pressure. 21:08:07 [Message] BarryM : too much competition for me 21:08:07 [Message] CarolinaProWash : still cool 21:08:20 [Message] bethnrod : *choochoo* 21:08:41 [Message] BarryM : hey you scared my dog.....lol 21:09:03 [Message] Littlefield : *slap* 21:09:07 [Message] bethnrod : *evil* 21:09:13 [Message] CarolinaProWash : *whip* 21:09:13 [Message] aspen contractors : i am thinking of doing something (on my already owned landscape trailer) 21:09:27 [Message] CarolinaProWash : That's what we're all mounted on.... 21:09:31 [Message] Littlefield : Hey this is fun *whip* 21:09:40 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Put the whip down Rich! 21:09:55 [Message] aspen contractors : only problem is me and the wife fight over what gets in the garage during wonter months 21:10:01 [Message] BarryM : It's better when the girls do it 21:10:13 [Message] aspen contractors : oops winter 21:10:13 [Message] Rod : whip it good, into shape, shape it up, uh, ok I'll quit. 21:10:13 [Message] Littlefield : Agreed. 21:10:25 [Message] bethnrod : *evil* *whip* 21:10:37 [Message] BarryM : who sings that song Rod? 21:10:44 [Message] aspen contractors : de vo 21:10:46 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Devoo 21:10:53 [Message] Rod : Devo 21:10:53 [Message] Littlefield : *beep* *beep* 21:10:53 [Message] BarryM : lets leave it that way 21:10:55 [Message] BarryM : hehe 21:11:00 [Message] Rod : oops Devo 21:11:16 [Message] CarolinaProWash : hey....that's my misspelling! 21:11:35 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Aspen.....winterizing for leaving outside isn't too bad 21:11:39 [Message] Rod : that was a proxy ooops 21:11:46 [Message] BarryM : how do you guys price a two tone deck? 21:11:55 [Message] BarryM : hourly? 21:11:55 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Expensive!!! 21:12:05 [Message] Littlefield : don't 21:12:10 [Message] roger : 30 to 40 % more 21:12:16 [Message] Littlefield : Sorry, not many nice decks here. 21:12:18 [Message] Russell_C : Double for the rails 21:12:23 [Message] CarolinaProWash : I think ours is an increase of 30-40% more 21:12:42 [Message] BarryM : cool 21:12:47 [Message] Littlefield : Do like the cedar round spindles and railings though, and have done them in two shades of stain. 21:13:12 [Message] Russell_C : I just did a cedar rail with iron panels 21:13:40 [Message] Russell_C : they were siloette cut outs of landscapes 21:13:51 [Message] roger : cool 21:13:57 [Message] BarryM : pics? 21:14:16 [Disconnect] bigchaz 21:14:16 [Message] Russell_C : Yeah, I can post them on TGS 21:14:28 [Message] Russell_C : I will post them in the Photo contest. other than when you first start up, the excess coming out i mean. 21:14:33 [Message] Russell_C : Maybe I will win! 21:14:34 [Message] BarryM : please do Russell 21:14:38 [Message] CarolinaProWash : I just lost the whole page! 21:14:56 [Message] roger : :D :D :D 21:15:01 [Message] CarolinaProWash : NO WAY - you are automatically disqualified..... 21:15:29 [Message] BarryM : y u lose page 21:15:44 [Message] CarolinaProWash : I pushed a button on the row and poof - everything was GONE 21:15:51 [Message] BarryM : Roger's messin with u Celeste 21:15:54 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Don't use the 3rd button from the right 21:15:59 [Message] Russell_C : I am not! I read the fine print and it doesn't say anything about employees or their families 21:16:15 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Bring it then! 21:16:29 [user Status] Littlefield -> Away 21:16:43 [Message] Russell_C : You've seen my camera skills. I've got nothing 21:16:45 [user Status] Littlefield -> Online 21:17:02 [Message] BarryM : Celeste......u guys gonna make it to Don's RT? 21:17:05 [Message] CarolinaProWash : No comment :) 21:17:21 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Oh, that wasn't for Barry - that was for Russell! 21:17:27 [Message] BarryM : I know 21:17:28 [Message] Littlefield : I jsut get so excited working, I forget to take pics. Now I have a calm guy that wroks for me get the shots. 21:17:49 [Message] roger : lol 21:17:56 [Message] CarolinaProWash : We want to - not certain if we'll be able to pull it off with ours 2 weeks before and Toms 2 weeks after! Gotta work sometime! 21:18:00 [Message] Littlefield : Next RT in area? 21:18:10 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Greensboro NC on Feb 10th 21:18:24 [Message] CarolinaProWash : St. Louis on Feb 24th 21:18:25 [Message] Littlefield : Greensboro in feb, huh? I'll check my schedule. 21:18:25 [Message (Priv.)] Russell_C -> bethnrod: What is the target output for file sises on TGS? 21:18:34 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Easton PA on March 10th/11th 21:18:38 [Message] roger : like to see you there 21:18:39 [Message] BarryM : I know what u mean 21:18:43 [Message] Littlefield : St L, thats a hike 21:18:51 [Message] CarolinaProWash : We can carpool :) 21:19:00 [Message] Littlefield : Truck pool 21:19:07 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Suburban pool 21:19:11 [Join Room] pressureprosinc 21:19:11 [Login] pressureprosinc 21:19:11 [iP] pressureprosinc: 68.80.169.65 21:19:27 [Message] pressureprosinc : hello everyone 21:19:30 [Message] aspen contractors : newbie question, are the round tables better (more informative) than the PWNA / ***** conventions? 21:19:39 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Uh, yeah. 21:19:43 [Message] roger : YES 21:19:49 [Message] Russell_C : Hello Pressure Pros 21:19:52 [Message] BarryM : welcome 21:19:55 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Hi 21:19:57 [Message] roger : hi 21:20:01 [Message (Priv.)] Russell_C -> bethnrod: jpeg 21:20:05 [Message] Littlefield : These RT's are unbelieveable, I can't believe how there are so many and informally setup. 21:20:18 [Message] Littlefield : I was really bummed to mis the vogel's 21:20:21 [Message] Rod : Hey Ken 21:20:28 [Message] aspen contractors : me too Littlefield 21:20:34 [Message] Littlefield : Hey ken 21:20:36 [Message] BarryM : is it Mr. Fenner 21:20:37 [Message] CarolinaProWash : It was great :) 21:20:42 [Message] pressureprosinc : that was my first one.. much to take in 21:20:50 [Message] Littlefield : BEst part? 21:20:55 [Message] CarolinaProWash : THE FOOD 21:20:57 [Message] aspen contractors : thats how i felt with the ***** last year 21:21:03 [Message] Littlefield : product info? 21:21:18 [Message] Littlefield : food is good 21:21:22 [Message] aspen contractors : but after all the talk it really sounds like the RT are "more personaable" should i say? 21:21:31 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Flood had a lot of stuff, Ready Seal, V-Seal, and other stuff 21:21:46 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Definitely more attendee friendly! 21:22:01 [Message] pressureprosinc : The only thing I didn't like about the vendor presentations was the atmosphere.. too many distractions 21:22:06 [Message (Priv.)] Littlefield -> CarolinaProWash: Celeste, roger tell you that weatherall is on board? 21:22:20 [Message] BarryM : RT's are more laid back 21:22:31 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Rich - yes :) 21:22:52 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Ken, that may have been a matter of location 21:22:58 [Message] Rod : Yeah, there were a few distractions, but I got over them 21:23:25 [Message] pressureprosinc : I think the format of the St Louis meeting is going to be more my style 21:23:36 [Message] Rod : I just love talking to people though. It's great to finally meet face to face. 21:23:38 [Message] Littlefield : Gotta go set up new computer armoire, wifes tired of looking at home pc. 21:23:40 [Message] roger : hey Ken give me a call 21:23:47 [Message] Littlefield : See yall 21:23:51 [Message] BarryM : see ya 21:23:54 [Message] pressureprosinc : se ya Rich, have a good night 21:23:54 [Message] Russell_C : G'night Rich 21:23:55 [Message] aspen contractors : see ya 21:23:55 [user Status] Littlefield -> Away 21:23:58 [Message] roger : bye 21:23:58 [Message] Rod : cya rich 21:24:05 [Message] pressureprosinc : right now Roger or tommorrow? 21:24:11 [Disconnect] Littlefield 21:24:32 [Message] roger : anytime is fine 21:24:40 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Russell.....you going to make any of the RT's? 21:24:58 [Message] pressureprosinc : If your not busy tommorow I'll ring you. 21:25:04 [Message] roger : ok 21:25:19 [Message] Russell_C : Yeah, I plan to make a few this year 21:25:32 [Message] BarryM : Aren't you in STL Russell 21:25:33 [Message] roger : this year is over 21:25:38 [Message] Russell_C : I think I would be shot if I missed the St Louis one 21:25:50 [Message] Russell_C : Maybe for you Roger 21:26:00 [Message] Russell_C : I still have over 20 days on my calander 21:26:01 [Message] pressureprosinc : I'm looing forward to meting you Russell 21:26:09 [Message] roger : I'm still working 21:26:18 [Message] BarryM : same here Russell 21:26:33 [Message] BarryM : looking forward to meeting everyone 21:26:37 [Message] Russell_C : I always enjoy meeting new people at the round tables 21:26:49 [Message] roger : that is fun 21:26:56 [Message] aspen contractors : trying to do flatwork still....but days are hit and miss. 21:27:13 [Message] BarryM : You have accounts Aspen? 21:27:16 [Message] aspen contractors : yes 21:27:19 [Message] pressureprosinc : My stuff is in storage 21:27:39 [Message] BarryM : just not enough? 21:27:56 [Message] BarryM : accounts 21:28:23 [Message (Priv.)] BarryM -> aspen contractors: cool 21:28:30 [Message] pressureprosinc : Roger is your number on your TGS profile? 21:28:37 [Message] roger : yes 21:29:12 [Message] pressureprosinc : alright cool. I'll call you around 11 am. I am headin out. Goodnight all 21:29:20 [Message] aspen contractors : good night 21:29:22 [Message] Rod : gnite 21:29:25 [Message] CarolinaProWash : night Ken 21:30:01 [Grant Admin] bethnrod -> CarolinaProWash 21:30:09 [Message] Rod : Folks, it has been a long day, have a great chat and I'll see you all later. 21:30:12 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Barry, how far are you from STL ? 21:30:20 [Message] Russell_C : Night Rod 21:30:26 [Message] aspen contractors : good night rod 21:30:26 [Message] roger : night Rod 21:30:31 [Message] BarryM : 5.5 hours 21:30:43 [Message] roger : ? 21:30:54 [Message] CarolinaProWash : G 21:31:02 [Message] CarolinaProWash : ood night Gimpy 21:31:08 [Message] bethnrod : Nite Rob! 21:31:08 [Disconnect] Rod 21:31:16 [Message] aspen contractors : night Beth 21:31:23 [Message] bethnrod : I'll tell him for you Celeste 21:31:41 [Message] bethnrod : Gimpy Rod says good night folks. 21:32:07 [Message] bethnrod : :) 21:32:15 [Message] Russell_C : Barry, I uploaded those pictures for you reserach 21:32:32 [Disconnect] bethnrod 21:32:37 [Message] BarryM : Cool 21:32:50 [Message] Russell_C : I am no photographer 21:32:52 [Message] CarolinaProWash : What pictures.....where??? 21:33:05 [Message] Russell_C : In the contest Blondie 21:33:21 [Message] roger : Russ is there still snow on the ground 21:33:36 [Message] Russell_C : Are you asking because you think it will upset me? 21:33:39 [Message] CarolinaProWash : I am NOT blonde...and I saw them :) Nice 21:33:46 [Message] Russell_C : I've made my peace with nature 21:34:15 [Message] Russell_C : We have about 3 crusty inches that look like they are going to be here a while 21:34:16 [Message] CarolinaProWash : *bird* 21:34:22 [Message (Priv.)] BarryM -> aspen contractors: resi is good for 6 months 21:34:28 [Message] CarolinaProWash : *bird* 21:34:50 [Message] Russell_C : If you are flipping that bird for me, my speakers are off 21:34:55 [Message] CarolinaProWash : If we get home early enough tomorrow I'll get some more pics up in the resto contest thread 21:35:08 [Message] Russell_C : That contest is just about over 21:35:09 [Message] CarolinaProWash : It's chirping for you - as a sign of good nature :) 21:35:27 [Message] BarryM : whip it one more time 21:35:29 [Message] CarolinaProWash : You can't end it until we get all the stain on that purple heart - I demand an extension! 21:35:31 [Message] Russell_C : I put my good nature under lock and key when you are around 21:35:38 [Message] CarolinaProWash : *whip* 21:35:46 [Message] BarryM : oooooh 21:35:51 [Message] BarryM : I'm naughty 21:36:01 [Message] CarolinaProWash : *whip* *whip* 21:36:08 [Message] Russell_C : Ok, Celeste, this isn't that kind of chat room 21:36:14 [Message] aspen contractors : lol 21:36:16 [Message] roger : *whip* *slap* *whip* 21:36:22 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Hey, my husband is here! 21:36:45 [Message] BarryM : that's not right 21:36:49 [Message] CarolinaProWash : What is the end date on the contest? 21:37:07 [Message] Russell_C : Look, I don't care what kind of perverted dungeon you are in, that stuff doesn't fly on TGS 21:37:24 [Message] Russell_C : I'm not sure, check it out when you go up to post pictures 21:37:37 [Message] CarolinaProWash : oh all right 21:38:16 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Dang - it ends on 12/20! That's next week or something isn't it? 21:38:31 [Message] Russell_C : 12/ 20? 21:38:47 [Message] Russell_C : You better get to posting 21:38:48 [Message] CarolinaProWash : weel after next 21:38:54 [Message] CarolinaProWash : oops week 21:39:07 [Message] CarolinaProWash : we need to be staining, not posting! 21:39:45 [Message] CarolinaProWash : I meant between now and the 20th silly man 21:40:00 [Message] roger : ooooh 21:40:09 [Message] Russell_C : I'm just saying, next time you are laying around eating bon bons you could take a moment to post a picture that might be worth over $2,500.00 in free product 21:40:35 [Message] CarolinaProWash : We can't afford bonbons - it's cheerios for me :) 21:40:54 [Message] Russell_C : Not even a moon pie? 21:40:57 [Message] aspen contractors : you guys are too much 21:41:13 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Are you out of moon pies Russell? 21:41:15 [Message] aspen contractors : oh no the moon pies came out....*) 21:41:23 [Message] roger : Moon pies and RC cola 21:41:25 [Message] BarryM : im eating pork and beans all winter 21:41:29 [Message] BarryM : too cold to work 21:41:31 [Message] Russell_C : I am in a curent state of longing for the moon pie 21:42:00 [Message] aspen contractors : i have been stuck on the snickeres ice cream bars 21:42:02 [Message] roger : is that hint Russ 21:42:19 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Good fiber and protein Barry :) 21:42:24 [Message] Russell_C : It's not a hint, but the holidays are just around the courner 21:42:35 [Message] roger : :D 21:42:36 [Message] Russell_C : coincidentally close to the judging of the photo contest 21:42:53 [Message] roger : :o 21:43:04 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Aspen - it's too cold for frozen food! 21:43:14 [Message] Russell_C : How do you make an innocent whistle noise? 21:43:24 [Message] roger : What about the good old Capt. Morgan 21:43:47 [Message] Russell_C : Argghh Capt. Morgan and Moon Pies 21:43:52 [Message] aspen contractors : never celeste 21:43:58 [Message] roger : *choochoo* 21:44:20 [Message] roger : *harp* 21:44:27 [Message] aspen contractors : i hung lights monday night....30 degrees out. came in and yelled as the wife had 3 blankets and coffe on the couch 21:44:45 [Message] aspen contractors : lol...i went and concoled with my snickers...lol 21:44:53 [Message] roger : lol 21:45:01 [Message] aspen contractors : you would have thought i had a horn coming out of my forehead 21:45:05 [Message] BarryM : hung light this evening while being barked at by wife 21:45:09 [Message] Russell_C : Ain't much a moon pie can't fix 21:45:13 [Message] BarryM : I hate xmas 21:45:52 [Message] aspen contractors : first time i think she called me a freak 21:45:54 [Message] aspen contractors : lol 21:45:57 [Message] CarolinaProWash : We finally got our tree decorated couple days ago...outside of the house looks BAD (bare) 21:46:11 [Message] BarryM : bare is GOOD 21:46:21 [Message] aspen contractors : first time i hung lights in 7 years (outside that is) 21:46:30 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Wait until you see the pics I post of the Christmas light farm in SC! 21:46:36 [Message] Russell_C : I hung a bell on millie for the season. Thats it for me 21:46:44 [Message] aspen contractors : lol 21:46:50 [Message] roger : lol 21:46:52 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Poor Millie! 21:47:00 [Message] Russell_C : She loves it 21:47:11 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Millie loves everything! 21:47:34 [Message] Russell_C : When I put it on her she walks around like she's bringing sexy back 21:47:45 [Message] CarolinaProWash : lol 21:47:46 [Message] Russell_C : She really thinks shes something 21:47:55 [Message] BarryM : too funny 21:48:04 [Message] BarryM : you go girl 21:48:10 [Message] aspen contractors : i came home last week and the wife went to walmart or target and got the cats xmas outfits...we have a munchkin (dwarf) that looks like a butter ball turkey with hair. hers wouldnt fit (not round enough) and it would slide around like a bib 21:48:31 [Message] CarolinaProWash : You have to get pics of that! 21:48:34 [Message] aspen contractors : ok i have to ask who's millie? 21:48:43 [Message] roger : the dog 21:48:45 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Russell is Millie's person 21:48:57 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Shhh....she is not aware that she is a canine 21:49:05 [Message] aspen contractors : my wife asked if i could make extra velcro strap extensions....i almost lost it...lol 21:49:12 [Message] CarolinaProWash : LOLOLOL 21:49:14 [Message] aspen contractors : i see 21:49:17 [Message] BarryM : no way 21:49:18 [Message] roger : lol 21:49:25 [Message] aspen contractors : lol...sounds like our 1 yr old kitten 21:49:39 [Message] aspen contractors : i think someone gives him crack before i get home. 21:49:44 [Message] Russell_C : Millie is a stray I took in a few years ago to be my guard dog 21:49:52 [Message] Russell_C : She is a vicious pit bull 21:50:00 [Message] roger : right 21:50:02 [Message] CarolinaProWash : yeah right 21:50:38 [Message] Russell_C : Well, she is 21:50:44 [Message] roger : maybe to other dogs she is 21:50:56 [Message] BarryM : we have a giant shnauzer 21:50:58 [Message] CarolinaProWash : unless they're cute bassett puppies 21:51:03 [Message] BarryM : maybe they could play together 21:51:17 [Message] aspen contractors : lol... 21:51:23 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Hey, I'll bring the 115 lb boxer and two strung out labs! 21:51:31 [Message] BarryM : sweet 21:51:52 [Message] roger : she did run them other dogs off for me. I didn't like the looks of the two dogs that she ran off. 21:52:11 [Message] BarryM : I call mine "the bearded goat bi tch 21:52:21 [Message] BarryM : she looks like a goat 21:52:35 [Message] aspen contractors : our kitten head butts me if he isnt fed at 5am exactly. he climbs all the door jams in the house and holds at the top and will look at you. he swats at my wife all the time. but if i move towards him he runs like hes being hunted...lol. 21:52:59 [Message] BarryM : animals are weird 21:53:09 [Message] Russell_C : I remember that, they were sort of packing up on you 21:53:25 [Message] BarryM : we used to have a mini poodle that would always poop in my shoes 21:53:26 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Too bad they didn't know that Roger bites! 21:53:31 [Message] roger : yeah 21:53:34 [Message] aspen contractors : lol 21:53:39 [Message] CarolinaProWash : euwwww 21:53:46 [Message] Russell_C : Celeste, check out the thread : How are you folks in St Louis doing 21:53:59 [Message] BarryM : and I though it was my feet that smelled 21:54:17 [Message] aspen contractors : is anyone else going to the PWNA or ***** conventions this year? 21:54:23 [Message] CarolinaProWash : There's that vicious girl! 21:54:25 [Message] BarryM : not me 21:54:37 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Aspen - we won't be 21:54:44 [Message] CarolinaProWash : PWNA convention was cancelled 21:54:56 [Message] aspen contractors : i thought they changed it to vegas? 21:54:56 [Message] Russell_C : I might catch the ***** 21:55:23 [Message] CarolinaProWash : There's no info anywhere - they're not even listed as exhibitors for NADRA/Deck Expo 21:55:36 [Message] aspen contractors : i aam feeling weird about these assoc. i havent rec'd anything from neither one 21:56:10 [Message] CarolinaProWash : We didn't bother to renew with PWNA - will stay on with ***** 21:56:28 [Message] aspen contractors : i did like the ***** one last year....thought it was good couple days spent learning. and of course meeting with others than have been doing this much longer 21:56:41 [Message] aspen contractors : have you rec'd anything from *****? 21:57:36 [Message] aspen contractors : their show is with the entrepreneur one so that kind of looks interesting. 21:57:54 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Just the welcome present - I think I get emails occasionally but not sure - Texas is too much of a trip for us to take for their stuff though 21:58:13 [Message] CarolinaProWash : I think they've aligned themselves with a winner this time, that's for sure Rob 21:59:00 [Message] aspen contractors : i just wished i could receive any info. email, written, or pigeon. if i didnt have access to the net i would be lost...lol 21:59:04 [Message] Russell_C : Hey, I think you are all winners, but I have to go 21:59:13 [Message] BarryM : see yaz 21:59:16 [Message] aspen contractors : thanks russell 21:59:17 [Message] BarryM : thanks 21:59:24 [Message] roger : Bye russ 21:59:26 [Message] Russell_C : Have a good night, and thank you for joining wood chat 21:59:26 [Message] BarryM : now go on get 21:59:34 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Thanks Russell! 21:59:44 [Disconnect] Russell_C 21:59:55 [Message] BarryM : we still talking wood? 22:00:04 [Message] aspen contractors : did it even come up? 22:00:13 [Message] BarryM : not sure....lol 22:00:15 [Message] CarolinaProWash : I don't know.....it was several pages back I think :) 22:00:15 [Message] aspen contractors : lol....i think that was an hour ago now...lol 22:00:26 [Message] BarryM : oh well 22:00:47 [Message] BarryM : high of 21 here tomorrow wheee 22:00:54 [Message] CarolinaProWash : brrrrrr 22:01:04 [Message] aspen contractors : i think its flurrie tonight here 22:01:17 [Message] BarryM : the low is......your boogers freeze 22:01:24 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Guess you'll be on the boards huh? We'll be laying concrete! 22:01:30 [Message] aspen contractors : i hate snow....but its fun. my flatwork accts start calling friday. 22:01:34 [Message] BarryM : yes I will 22:01:59 [Message] aspen contractors : they will lay salt tonight and call friday to have me com over the weekend and clean it up 22:02:08 [Message] aspen contractors : how much fun can that be?...lol 22:02:09 [Message] CarolinaProWash : That's cool 22:02:14 [Message] BarryM : job security 22:02:19 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Bingo! 22:02:45 [Message] BarryM : you guys ever get too cold at night to stain decks...... 22:02:55 [Message] aspen contractors : yeah. but i laugh too hard. i have one acct that last year i would do a section entrance. the next week they wanted it done again and paid me more to just come back and do it... 22:03:09 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Our local high school plays in the State Championship Saturday - our first radio commercial will be playing on the radio that's broadcasting the game :) 22:03:21 [Message] aspen contractors : awesome congrats!!! 22:03:34 [Message] BarryM : I've thought about radio....is it expensive 22:03:37 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Barry - yeah, sometimes but when our temps go there, most have stopped calling 22:03:53 [Message] aspen contractors : i am in the process of putting something together. its a great advertisement. i might post it on my website 22:03:59 [Message] roger : if the temp stay below 40 degs hang it up 22:04:13 [Message] BarryM : oh it's hung 22:04:16 [Message] BarryM : he he 22:04:16 [Message] CarolinaProWash : This sponsorship spot is running us $125 - we'll get mentioned as sponsors at the beginning & end of the game with 4 30 seconds ads during the game 22:04:32 [Message] CarolinaProWash : *whip* 22:04:35 [Message] aspen contractors : that sounds cheap 22:04:36 [Message] BarryM : ouch 22:04:45 [Message] BarryM : not a bad price Celeste 22:05:04 [Message] aspen contractors : in maryland i think you can sneeze for that price 22:05:08 [Message] CarolinaProWash : I thought it was very reasonable for this one time. She's putting together a regular monthly thing for me that I'm afraid is going to be considerably more 22:05:16 [Message] aspen contractors : whats the temps now roger? 22:05:36 [Message] aspen contractors : the old intro price huh? 22:05:36 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Cold! 22:05:39 [Message] BarryM : I'm sure Celeste........they are going to suck you in 22:05:57 [Message] roger : at night upper 20's daytime mid 50's 22:06:04 [Message] BarryM : or try to suck you in 22:06:07 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Hey, if I can't afford it this time of year they can't suck me in! LOL 22:06:36 [Message] aspen contractors : lol true 22:06:55 [Message] BarryM : how's the concrete overlaying going 22:07:00 [Message] CarolinaProWash : This one time thing is because of the football teams' success - plus it's Roger's high school. Community support and all of the happy stuff! 22:07:12 [Message] CarolinaProWash : It's going.....temps are starting to really be an issue 22:07:26 [Message] CarolinaProWash : I'm going to start pushing interior installations 22:07:29 [Message] BarryM : you do some beautiful work 22:07:33 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Thank you! 22:07:44 [Message] aspen contractors : oh yeah...you have to play that hand as much as possible. i learned that. i did some things up here that really worked for getting my name out there 22:07:55 [Message] BarryM : I looked into it in my area.......too many already do it 22:08:16 [Message] aspen contractors : is there ever a problem with water getting under the overlay? 22:08:45 [Message] CarolinaProWash : It can if you don't do it properly or if the concrete is too wet when you start 22:08:47 [Message] aspen contractors : i showed my wife the info from PT and that was the first thing she asked. i never would have thought of asking that 22:09:21 [Message] aspen contractors : well now i know...lol 22:09:27 [Message] CarolinaProWash : When you prep it right, don't try to rush the process, the overlay materials bond to the concrete so there's nowhere for the water to intrude 22:09:48 [Message] aspen contractors : i see 22:10:04 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Also, concrete is mixed with water so it will eventually wick through and cure 22:10:39 [Message] aspen contractors : wow from wood to concrete tonight. 22:10:57 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Not to mention everything in between! 22:11:17 [Message] BarryM : too much coffee earlier for me 22:11:26 [Message] aspen contractors : i have to look and see how many others are doing it in this area. i havent seen any at all and with all my flatwork contracts i am sure i could ponder more work there. 22:11:41 [Message] aspen contractors : i am tired of the painters though.... 22:11:56 [Message] BarryM : why 22:12:14 [Message] aspen contractors : if i see one more that says he knows how to do power washing better than a power washer i am buying paint brushes and saying i am a painter 22:12:20 [Message] aspen contractors : lol 22:12:39 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Rob, there is someone up in Maryland that is doing overlays - really nice ones. I'll have to find his URL. He uses the Pure Texture system also. 22:12:44 [Message] BarryM : they don't have a clue do they? 22:12:51 [Message] BarryM : same here 22:12:58 [Message] aspen contractors : sorry...they all just come in and under bid for NOTHING.... 22:13:06 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Those guys are the reason that the Round Tables are soooo important 22:13:07 [Message] aspen contractors : thanks Celeste. 22:13:59 [Message] BarryM : yes 22:14:00 [Message] aspen contractors : did you see how HD is selling their machines now? 22:14:10 [Message] aspen contractors : with the new abbrevation? 22:14:18 [Message] BarryM : ? 22:14:35 [Message] aspen contractors : instead of psi i want to say it was Bt something. 22:14:40 [Message] aspen contractors : not BTU 22:14:50 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Rob....www.decorativeconcreteofmd.com 22:15:10 [Message] aspen contractors : but something similiar... 22:15:19 [Message] BarryM : home cheapo 22:15:21 [Message] aspen contractors : thanks...i am pulling it up now 22:15:46 [Message] aspen contractors : well i actually saw a contractor advertising that his machine are as big as 4750000 BT? 22:15:58 [Message] BarryM : their DIY seminars are killing our contractor around here 22:15:59 [Message] CarolinaProWash : What's a BT? 22:16:14 [Message] aspen contractors : its a new abbrevaition they are using on PW 22:16:21 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Barry.....you should go to one of them and pick their demo guy to death! 22:16:24 [Message] aspen contractors : its BTV or something like that 22:16:45 [Message] aspen contractors : the numbers are outrageous. 22:16:49 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Or better yet, get with the management and offer to do it for them - no charge but you get to promote your company or something 22:16:52 [Message] aspen contractors : its great sale pitch. 22:16:52 [Message] BarryM : I should 22:17:26 [Message] CarolinaProWash : What, those big numbers? 22:17:33 [Message] aspen contractors : yeah 22:17:38 [Message] aspen contractors : have you seen them? 22:17:48 [Message] CarolinaProWash : That is strictly a testosterone approach! 22:17:58 [Message] BarryM : It really hurts all contractors 22:17:58 [Message] aspen contractors : i was telling Barry i saw a contractor telling everyone thats what he uses 22:18:10 [Message] aspen contractors : the # was like 475000 22:18:39 [Message] aspen contractors : i was going to ask if he was taking hide off an elephant untl i realized the deal. he should have worked in HD.... 22:18:55 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Oh that's just great......contractor tells homeowner that his machine is 2 bajillion BT and it won't damage their house so they they blast the siding off with their little 2500 psi machine. Lovely. 22:19:08 [Message] aspen contractors : sometimes you have to wonder where these people come from. i dont know much about like wood. but i dont claim to neither. 22:19:11 [Message] BarryM : some just don't get it 22:19:38 [Message] CarolinaProWash : And you know what.....those that don't get it can keep calling the $50 guys. Those are not the type customer you want anyway. 22:19:39 [Message] aspen contractors : if anyone came to my house and said my machine is 475000 i would have laughed 22:19:50 [Message] aspen contractors : and told them the trucks paint needs stripped 22:19:53 [Message] BarryM : I talked to a guy that used a turbo on a deck 22:20:03 [Message] BarryM : he was making toothpicks 22:20:11 [Message] aspen contractors : your right there Celeste....i had that customer...lol 22:20:18 [Message] CarolinaProWash : The Ipe dock we just finished was damaged by a turbo tip - I even posted the pictures 22:20:42 [Message] aspen contractors : oh i have the best one. my worst customer of the year award 22:20:53 [Message] BarryM : please share 22:20:58 [Message] aspen contractors : customer (i work with at my FT job) 22:21:11 [Message] aspen contractors : asked me to come over and price the deck 22:21:24 [Message] aspen contractors : 900 sq ft i think .... off the top of my head 22:21:31 [Message] aspen contractors : no railings 22:21:42 [Message] aspen contractors : just bleacher style steps leading down 22:21:55 [Message] aspen contractors : ho tub on deck with lattice 2 ft from hot tub 22:22:03 [Message] aspen contractors : hot tub ,...sorry 22:22:30 [Message] aspen contractors : so i went ,,,stripped,,,brightened....looked it over... 22:22:38 [Message] aspen contractors : looked good when i left 22:22:44 [Message] aspen contractors : 3 days goes bye 22:22:55 [Message] aspen contractors : i go back to start the prep work for stained 22:22:59 [Message] aspen contractors : staining 22:23:12 [Message] aspen contractors : tape up the sliding doors, etc 22:23:34 [Message] aspen contractors : there are splinters all over the doors. line marks in the wood 22:23:48 [Message] aspen contractors : i am flipping out cause "my first thought" was that i did it 22:24:21 [Message] aspen contractors : lol....i know that sounds bad but would you think someone would pay you 1500 and then try to do it? after you did the work? 22:24:32 [Message] BarryM : omg 22:24:38 [Message] CarolinaProWash : what was he thinking? 22:24:51 [Message] aspen contractors : her boyfriend didnt like the color of the wood and get this 22:24:56 [Message] aspen contractors : wanted it brighter 22:25:16 [Message] BarryM : what an idiot 22:25:18 [Message] aspen contractors : now let me go back. deck was 7 yrs old. stained ONCE 22:25:20 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Can we all say........MORON 22:25:43 [Message] aspen contractors : so after i convinced myself i was smarter than to do something this stupid 22:25:50 [Message] aspen contractors : i went and confronted her 22:26:02 [Message] aspen contractors : she admitted what he did 22:26:30 [Message] CarolinaProWash : How much more did you charge them to fix it?!? 22:26:33 [Message] aspen contractors : i told her i had to leave and consult an attorney...lol. truth was i had to re think of what i could really do as a contractor at this point. 22:26:41 [Message] aspen contractors : over 3000 22:26:55 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Chaching :) Sometimes one must love an idiot. 22:27:09 [Message] aspen contractors : i charged 2.5 times the amount 22:27:19 [Message] BarryM : wow 22:27:26 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Could you sand it out? 22:27:31 [Message] aspen contractors : honestly and i might sound bad. but i i didnt wnat to go back so made an outrageous # up 22:27:46 [Message] aspen contractors : i didnt get it all out but alot did come out...lucky for them 22:28:13 [Message] BarryM : bet the boyfriend was in the dog house for awhile 22:28:16 [Message] aspen contractors : so i threw this # together and sure enough she didnt even hesitate and said continue working....(after new contract was issued) 22:28:25 [Message] BarryM : cool 22:28:26 [Message] aspen contractors : no...she still think he didnt do anythign wrong 22:28:32 [Message] CarolinaProWash : WHAT! 22:28:36 [Message] BarryM : figures 22:28:40 [Message] aspen contractors : lol...they are truly made for one another 22:28:46 [Message] BarryM : takes one to know one 22:28:54 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Heaven forbid they should ever reproduce 22:28:56 [Message] aspen contractors : me and my wife were laughing hysterically.... 22:29:07 [Message] BarryM : all the way to the bank 22:29:11 [Message] CarolinaProWash : yea....all the way to the bank 22:29:17 [Message] aspen contractors : i hpe not they are a lil older and prob past that point thank god 22:29:21 [Message] BarryM : beat ya 22:29:32 [Message] CarolinaProWash : yeah yeah yeah 22:29:38 [Message] BarryM : me fast 22:29:47 [Message] aspen contractors : i did feel bad....but. it took almost 3 weeks for finish 22:29:53 [Message] aspen contractors : go with your story barry 22:30:18 [Message] BarryM : what story 22:30:23 [Message] CarolinaProWash : Fellas - it's time to wrap this little party up.....some of us have to get up to go do physical labor in the morning........ 22:30:45 [Message] BarryM : okay 22:31:00 [Message] BarryM : the wife is giving me 'the look' 22:31:00 [Message] roger : good night all 22:31:02 [Message] aspen contractors : ok...yeah i have to do something tomorrow...oh yeah the FT job....cant wait til doing this is it 22:31:11 [Message] BarryM : see ya all 22:31:13 [Message] aspen contractors : good night all....nice chatting 22:31:14 [Message] BarryM : and thanks 22:31:16 [Message] CarolinaProWash : It's been fun - see you all tomorrow! 22:31:21 [Message] aspen contractors : keep in touch 22:31:26 [Kick] CarolinaProWash -> roger 22:31:26 [Message] BarryM : u bet 22:31:37 [Disconnect] aspen contractors 22:31:45 [Disconnect] BarryM 22:32:03 [Disconnect] CarolinaProWash

Just speaking in general, I'm going to climb aboard my trusty soap box for a moment. When a person performs a service they have a right to be paid for that service. What I absolutely hate, are excuses. Now I understand that from time to time a client might have trouble paying on time. But if you are on a payment schedule, don't lie and say you sent the check when you didn't. That just burns me up. It's far better to be honest than it is to lie and say something was mailed only to find that two days later when it should be in your mail, it's not, and a week later, it's still not. Don't avoid my calls, don't make excuses, just be honest. People deserve on an honest response and to me, it is the only correct one to give. Don't mind me...I'm irritated and waiting for a check!!!! Beth

I sympathize with you there Jim, we are just beginning our slow season and don't really look forward to the cold winter months except in their passing for the arrival of spring. My question is, why aren't you working more indoors? Rod!~

There's a great deal of diversity in knowledge and experience here on TGS. This is soooo cool to read. :cheers: Rod!~

Over the years we think about these things every time we get into the vehicle to use the equipment and wonder what else we could have done to make it better. I have to keep our vehicles tidied up more frequently due to public impression, especially in the upscale neighborhoods where some of our clients like to take a peek into the vehicle out of curiosity. This has led to thinking up ways to keep it organized and the cleaning easier so that I don't infringe upon my own down time. Going to round tables has given many a pw'er an idea or two and helped us all to economize our setups and configurations to work better for us and save us time. Good work on the set up Jarrod. Rod!~

Ground floor opportunities don't come along very often and are glad we took the leap and got started when we did. There is more competition now but our name is already established and the reputation is favorable. I have been looking for a business for years doing what I enjoy and wood is a hobby subject for me and cleaning is a natural talent so wood restoration fit very well. Beth enjoys wood too and has learned a bit about it through her father who deals in 17th and 18th century antiques. She didn't care so much for the antique business but fulfills her fathers talents for wood in our business. We also love having a home based business and the ability to be with the family more often than working in corporate america would allow with the 2-3 hours a day commute alone. It all fit! -------------- Next~ Rod!~

Wood Chat with Russell Cissell - Wednesday December 6th, 2006 - 8pm Eastern

I like the Yeti Sports stuff! :) Beth

Bang a gong, I play Majong, git it on. Rod!~

www.gss-store.com We get ours here....disposable nitrile gloves - gauntlet length. Beth

Don't miss tonight's event :) Beth

Wow.....thank you, John....thank you very, very much. Beth :cup:

Tom's a great guy, and will take good care of you. Beth :) p.s. I moved this to the equipment area :)

Thank you David! Beth :)

This is TOMORROW folks! Beth

Don, Sounds great! Hope this is a huge success. Beth