Beth n Rod

As you have noticed we have new skins installed. On of them, is called TGS Juice. To view it go to the lower left hand corner of the page in the main Forums. Once you have selected it, you will see two little guys with great big eyes a the top of the page, and over one of them, is an empty dialog bubble....That's where you come in! We're having a contest.... What should these little bubble dudes be saying? Come up with the dialog that goes in the animation bubble! Post it here. One rule, keep it clean. So have fun! Check out the Juice skin, and then tell us...what are the little big eyed dudes trying to tell us all? Beth

And the winner is..... "What did you learn today?" The little bubble guys are talking! Beth

WTW maint...not yet...tune in a couple of years from now and we'll have the scoop on that for sure! Rod!~

Use a sodium hydroxide based product such as HD-80, F-18, or Tiberstrip Pro. Do a test spot. If it cuts through it, you are most likely not looking at an acrylic. Apply the product to a difficult area for your test such as a vertical surface where the product is more heavily applied and still intact. Remember to neutralize your test area. Beth

James, If I could step in on that question? The maintenance is relatively easy as we have been doing maintenance for the past couple of years now on WT with WTW. We wash with a weak HD-80 (equivalent 2-3oz/gal) and neutralize. This gets anything off the surface and leaves the wood clean for recoating. Spray application is the best method along with back padding to ensure even distribution. http://forums.thegrimescene.com/showthread.php?t=4576&highlight=Western+Cedar If this helps any. Our customers have been pleased with the performance and the maintenance ability of the product. http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4316 Here is another one for you. Back to you Paul. Rod!~

They look beautiful. What did you seal them with? Beth

Very pretty work Jon! Beth :banana:

John, What you have been given is a wonderful, golden opportunity to spread your wings. Sure it's scary, but haven't other things in your life given you butterflies and apprehension? Look at it this way,you are going to embark on a wonderful adventure that will allow you the freedom to grow in ways you have not dreamed of yet. If we can help, call us. We're really big on helping dreams to come true. With some elbow grease, they can. Beth

We use both EFC-38 by ESI and F-10 by PressureTek. We find F-10 is safer on newer finishes than EFC-38 is, if your goal is to clean and maintain. EFC-38 works well for cleaning decks that have sealer remnants that need to be removed without performing a more full and harsh strip, since it does contain stripping agents. Beth :cup: :sunshine: :groovy2:

This one is beautiful as well. The builder also did the hardscaping and landscaping and is photographing the deck, pool area and flower beds for a contest their company is entering. The photos don't do the pool area justice. I only photographed the deck, not the rest of the yard. They have water fountains streaming out in places, and a build in jacuzzi area with waterfalls....lights galore....wow. Hope the builder wins his contest! Enjoy! Beth

This job was truly cool....way cool. The house is a major rebuild and is a sustainable "green" home. All the materials from the old home were donated to www.secondchanceinc.org . The new home boasts features that are all environmentally friendly and is just beautiful. The owner is a Realtor who built this with her husband, and went so far as to get her general contractors license and hire all the trades herself to work on the home. It is truly a marvel to walk through!!! We were hired to clean and seal her newly built ipe deck and screened porch with a mahogany ceiling. Her husband built the deck and porch. It is marvelous. Here are a few shots. They simply do not do this home justice, as there is so much to it on the inside as well. This home is due to be featured in The Washington Post this fall. We are thrilled to have been a part of this project. What a cool home! Beth

Don't forget to vote!!! :) Beth

and...two more...the mahogany ceiling.

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The length of hose may also be dependant upon the gpm of your machine in correllation with the ventury principal and it's rating. ie; The higher the gpm, the longer your hose can be and still draw chem. Rod!~

We let the couple we bought our house from rent back from us as well before we moved in here years ago. Worked out well. They had the same issue, the house they were buying was under cosntruction. Good luck! :) Beth

I agree with James. Beth

07/12/06 12:57:36 donphelps Logs in [68.210.10.217] 07/12/06 12:58:58 donphelps: test 07/12/06 13:42:11 donphelps Logs Out 07/12/06 13:42:43 DonPhelps Logs in [68.210.10.217] 07/12/06 13:42:58 DonPhelps Logs Out 07/12/06 14:00:50 Login Failure for FCPWLLC [74.131.254.249] 07/12/06 14:00:56 FCPWLLC Logs in [74.131.254.249] 07/12/06 14:01:35 FCPWLLC Joins Subroom Town Meeting 07/12/06 14:01:46 FCPWLLC Logs Out 07/12/06 14:08:02 MikeWilliamson Logs in [65.5.207.233] 07/12/06 14:08:20 MikeWilliamson: Well howdy. Anyone else awake? 07/12/06 14:09:29 MikeWilliamson Logs Out 07/12/06 14:15:12 EverettAbrams Logs in [69.142.42.190] 07/12/06 14:15:33 EverettAbrams Logs Out 07/12/06 14:38:16 BarryM Logs in [71.193.97.146] 07/12/06 14:38:30 BarryM Logs Out 07/12/06 15:55:34 StainlessDeal Logs in [70.187.12.82] 07/12/06 15:55:51 StainlessDeal Joins Subroom Town Meeting 07/12/06 15:59:02 FLORIN Logs in [67.108.63.13] 07/12/06 15:59:40 FLORIN Leaves Subroom 07/12/06 15:59:57 StainlessDeal Logs Out 07/12/06 16:00:36 FLORIN Logs Out 07/12/06 16:00:58 DavidV Logs in [71.79.132.172] 07/12/06 16:01:36 DavidV: Thanks again Beth 07/12/06 16:01:44 DavidV Logs Out 07/12/06 18:04:56 BarryM Logs in [71.193.97.146] 07/12/06 18:05:04 BarryM Logs Out 07/12/06 18:18:53 dennismcguinn Logs in [68.58.229.162] 07/12/06 18:20:05 dennismcguinn Leaves Subroom 07/12/06 18:25:09 dennismcguinn Logs Out 07/12/06 18:26:18 dennismcguinn Logs in [68.58.229.162] 07/12/06 18:26:45 dennismcguinn Logs Out 07/12/06 18:26:48 Login Failure for dennis_mcguinn [68.58.229.162] 07/12/06 18:26:55 dennismcguinn Logs in [68.58.229.162] 07/12/06 18:28:43 dennismcguinn: hi don 07/12/06 18:30:18 DonPhelps Logs in [68.210.10.217] 07/12/06 18:32:43 DonPhelps: test 07/12/06 18:33:06 dennismcguinn: ten 4 07/12/06 18:33:26 DonPhelps: lol, what's up Dennis? How's biz? 07/12/06 18:34:00 dennismcguinn: not enough time it all 07/12/06 18:34:35 DonPhelps: bummer...doing any roofs? 07/12/06 18:34:57 dennismcguinn: so far 5 07/12/06 18:35:13 DonPhelps: How did they turn out....Good? 07/12/06 18:35:32 dennismcguinn: 3 of them good, 2 of them not so good 07/12/06 18:35:44 DonPhelps: lol...what happened? 07/12/06 18:35:53 dennismcguinn: not enough sh 07/12/06 18:36:04 DonPhelps: what was your mix? 07/12/06 18:36:16 dennismcguinn: 50/50 on the good ones 07/12/06 18:37:09 DonPhelps: yeah, when I first started out, we mixed at 35/65 but 50/50 keeps it simple and easier to adjust up or down as needed. 07/12/06 18:37:56 dennismcguinn: yeah i found that out i quit using soap for the clinging action. don't think it's neccisary, what's your opinion? 07/12/06 18:38:50 Login Failure for FCPWLLC [74.131.254.249] 07/12/06 18:38:56 FCPWLLC Logs in [74.131.254.249] 07/12/06 18:39:02 DonPhelps: I don't use it unless it's steep, and not always even then. 07/12/06 18:39:40 dennismcguinn: the steep factor with the soap was what was getting me, i slip i fall 07/12/06 18:39:41 DonPhelps: What's up, fcp? :) 07/12/06 18:39:52 FCPWLLC: Hey early birds. 07/12/06 18:40:05 DavidV Logs in [71.79.132.172] 07/12/06 18:40:32 FCPWLLC: Getting a early start for early knowledge 07/12/06 18:40:33 DonPhelps: You gotta stay in the dry and work away from it. Start where you get on the roof then that area will be dry by the time you get back to it. 07/12/06 18:40:49 DonPhelps: welcome David. 07/12/06 18:41:05 dennismcguinn: ah sooooo now i see 07/12/06 18:41:06 DavidV: ty 07/12/06 18:41:29 DavidV: how's everybody 07/12/06 18:41:38 FCPWLLC: Good 07/12/06 18:41:59 DonPhelps: If anybody has any questions/comments or whatever, just jump right in. Tired, it was hot today! 07/12/06 18:42:55 FCPWLLC: pliovic hose by Goodyear.... Know what it is made of? I can't find any info fro it. 07/12/06 18:43:14 DonPhelps: David, do you do roofs now? 07/12/06 18:43:28 DavidV: not yet... 07/12/06 18:43:34 dennismcguinn: sh is some bad stuff i did the finger test and it about took off my finger nail. also tried steves magic 3x and it works well but it will burn your ass \ 07/12/06 18:43:44 DavidV: here to learn 07/12/06 18:43:47 DonPhelps: No, we use the braided air hose. 07/12/06 18:44:31 DonPhelps: rm is good, just takes too much time to rinse in my opinion. 07/12/06 18:44:31 FCPWLLC: The hose I got was an Air Hose but wasn't sure about it's make up 07/12/06 18:44:32 DavidV: nobody in my area offers or does them to knowledge... 07/12/06 18:44:55 Speck_Chaser Logs in [71.81.62.127] 07/12/06 18:44:57 dennismcguinn: what is rm? 07/12/06 18:45:00 DonPhelps: roof cleaning is a wide open market in a lot of areas. 07/12/06 18:45:06 DonPhelps: roof magic 07/12/06 18:45:21 Speck_Chaser: similar to roofacide? 07/12/06 18:45:25 DavidV: i'm 15 miles south of pro football HOF 07/12/06 18:45:29 DonPhelps: What's up Thad! 07/12/06 18:45:42 Speck_Chaser: Hiiiii :D 07/12/06 18:45:45 dennismcguinn: yeah roof magic 07/12/06 18:45:48 DavidV: roof magic...taking notes 07/12/06 18:46:07 Speck_Chaser: This says I have to be polite and professional 07/12/06 18:46:13 Speck_Chaser: I guess I'll go now 07/12/06 18:46:18 Speck_Chaser: :( 07/12/06 18:46:20 FCPWLLC: LOL 07/12/06 18:46:46 DonPhelps: not sure what the r-a-c guys use. I know one of their 'applicators' and he uses sh. not sure if that's the norm for all of them or not. 07/12/06 18:46:57 DonPhelps: bye thad....lol 07/12/06 18:47:03 Speck_Chaser: hehe 07/12/06 18:47:23 Speck_Chaser: roofacide told me they did NOT use hydroxide or hypochlorite 07/12/06 18:47:34 Speck_Chaser: probbly percarb, huh? 07/12/06 18:47:45 DonPhelps: part of a deeper mystery, I suppose....lol 07/12/06 18:47:56 Speck_Chaser: spray it on and wait 3 months for it to work. right. 07/12/06 18:48:14 Speck_Chaser: Or, they said you could get up there and wash it 07/12/06 18:48:20 Speck_Chaser: if you were impatient 07/12/06 18:48:30 DonPhelps: in fl it's hard to justify anything other than sh due to its availability and price. 07/12/06 18:48:36 dennismcguinn: by the way don, i made my own wand according to the pictures posted they are the cats ass. i use them for everything. thanks 07/12/06 18:49:02 DonPhelps: lol...cool, glad they're working out for ya, Dennis. 07/12/06 18:49:06 Speck_Chaser: I have done a roof with hydroxide (working for someone else) 07/12/06 18:49:13 Speck_Chaser: never again 07/12/06 18:49:21 DonPhelps: slow or? 07/12/06 18:49:31 Speck_Chaser: we actually only got half of one side done 07/12/06 18:49:39 Speck_Chaser: :D 07/12/06 18:49:42 DonPhelps: wow, too hot for that. 07/12/06 18:49:52 Speck_Chaser: It wasn't hot yet 07/12/06 18:50:07 FCPWLLC: How in the world would you sell a spray and forget? I can see it now... tell customer that the roof will be clean in 3 months but I need payment now.. LOL 07/12/06 18:50:10 Speck_Chaser: but you spray the hydrox and then have to get up there and pressure wash it anyway 07/12/06 18:50:27 Speck_Chaser: spray and pray 07/12/06 18:50:31 Speck_Chaser: that they pay 07/12/06 18:50:36 Speck_Chaser: hooray! 07/12/06 18:50:40 FCPWLLC: LOL 07/12/06 18:50:46 dennismcguinn: steves roof magic has it's uses. many uses. i've just found that sh is a faster application 07/12/06 18:51:13 FCPWLLC: Best Marketing for roof cleaning where it isn't popular? Any Advice? 07/12/06 18:51:23 DonPhelps: to each his own....remember what ever works for them, Thad. :) 07/12/06 18:51:41 DonPhelps: rm is a great degreaser too. 07/12/06 18:51:44 FCPWLLC: I'm in KY BTW 07/12/06 18:51:48 Speck_Chaser: to each his own, but it ain't fer me 07/12/06 18:52:09 DonPhelps: Michael, put a before after postcard together...that should help. 07/12/06 18:52:23 Speck_Chaser: is this the roof magic you're talking about? www.roofmagic.com 07/12/06 18:52:44 DonPhelps: no, it's an RPC product 07/12/06 18:52:47 Speck_Chaser Logs Out 07/12/06 18:53:02 Speck_Chaser Logs in [71.81.62.127] 07/12/06 18:53:11 Speck_Chaser: where did i go? 07/12/06 18:53:13 DonPhelps: lol...welcome back Thad 07/12/06 18:53:26 Speck_Chaser: huh. you can't say cr4p 07/12/06 18:53:34 dennismcguinn: don, do you use the sh on the terracata and barrel roofing as well? how do you walk on it? 07/12/06 18:53:46 FCPWLLC: There is a guy doing that here and has a TV commercial. His commercial shows a guy up on a roof Blasting away with a pressure Washer. Should be able to get market share promoting soft washing. 07/12/06 18:53:58 DonPhelps: yep, extremely carefully with a lot of prayers.....lol 07/12/06 18:54:21 dennismcguinn: peaks or valleys? 07/12/06 18:54:37 DonPhelps: dennis, stronger mix is usually needed for tile. sometimes as high as 70/30 07/12/06 18:54:52 dennismcguinn: thanks don 07/12/06 18:55:06 Speck_Chaser: glad there are no tile roofs around here 07/12/06 18:55:09 DonPhelps: michael, just eplain the damage that pressure can cause....leaks, etc. 07/12/06 18:55:18 FCPWLLC: Exactly 07/12/06 18:55:31 DonPhelps: explain, sorry. 07/12/06 18:55:49 Speck_Chaser: all the newer roofs around here are steeper'n a muther 07/12/06 18:56:04 Speck_Chaser: i mean like 8/12 pitch 07/12/06 18:56:05 BethnRod Logs in [63.153.122.47] 07/12/06 18:56:13 Speck_Chaser: late! 07/12/06 18:56:16 Speck_Chaser: :D 07/12/06 18:56:18 DonPhelps: that's a good opportunity though, because most won't want to do them! 07/12/06 18:56:24 DonPhelps: Hi Beth 07/12/06 18:56:30 Speck_Chaser: the problem is that i don't want to do them, either 07/12/06 18:56:31 BethnRod: Good evening all! 07/12/06 18:56:41 BethnRod Grants Administrative Privileges to DonPhelps 07/12/06 18:56:43 Speck_Chaser: howdy 07/12/06 18:56:46 DonPhelps: I can't help ya there....lol 07/12/06 18:56:54 BethnRod: Don I have just granted you Admin rights in the room. 07/12/06 18:56:55 DavidV: hello 07/12/06 18:56:55 FCPWLLC: How far can I expect to shoot chem with the 1.8 gpm and 100psi sy 150 ft hose. 07/12/06 18:57:05 Speck_Chaser: i need to be able to shoot them from the edge of the roof 07/12/06 18:57:07 BethnRod: I'll be here a while. 07/12/06 18:57:14 DonPhelps: cool, thanks Beth! 07/12/06 18:57:23 FCPWLLC: Hello BethnRod 07/12/06 18:57:28 BethnRod: hi :) 07/12/06 18:57:37 Speck_Chaser: i have the same ? as fcpwcpllcp 07/12/06 18:57:55 Speck_Chaser: how far? 07/12/06 18:58:14 Speck_Chaser: hey, florin 07/12/06 18:58:16 DonPhelps: michael, maybe 25-30 ft or so, that's the down side to 12 volt pumps, not always enough umph! 07/12/06 18:58:33 Speck_Chaser: but what if you use 2? :D 07/12/06 18:58:38 dennismcguinn: i've tried x jetting it, it just doesn't work. anybody else been successful with x jetting? 07/12/06 18:58:50 DonPhelps: It depends on how you do your wand/gun and tip size. 07/12/06 18:59:18 Speck_Chaser: use pw tips? a zero degree? 07/12/06 18:59:30 FCPWLLC: hmmm... Is that 20-30 from ground? What if I can get tip to say 20 feet off ground? 07/12/06 18:59:41 Speck_Chaser: i bet that would be 40 07/12/06 18:59:45 DonPhelps: xjetting usually won't deliver a strong enough mix. however, JL says he gets good results and his pics look great. 07/12/06 18:59:59 DonPhelps: from roofs edge, michael 07/12/06 19:00:07 Speck_Chaser: depends on the gpm of your machine, right? 07/12/06 19:00:16 DonPhelps: 0 degree shooter tip usually 07/12/06 19:00:32 DonPhelps: s.s. surface cleaner tips work well too. 07/12/06 19:00:47 Speck_Chaser: I downstream everything now, but I'm gonna buy an M5 and try it. I have a 4gpm I can use 07/12/06 19:00:57 dennismcguinn: whats a s.s. surface cleaner tip? 07/12/06 19:01:01 DonPhelps: thad, yes that's true 07/12/06 19:01:09 Speck_Chaser: I might see if I can borrow some h.o.'s 2.2 gpm 07/12/06 19:01:14 DonPhelps: stainless steel 07/12/06 19:01:21 Don74 Logs in [4.244.215.111] 07/12/06 19:01:21 DonPhelps queries IP of Don74 07/12/06 19:01:23 dennismcguinn: oh 07/12/06 19:01:49 Speck_Chaser: anybody have to use a chicken ladder on a roof? 07/12/06 19:01:51 Don74: hello 07/12/06 19:02:01 Login Failure for PWkid [65.11.232.198] 07/12/06 19:02:03 DonPhelps: I've been using these plastic Lurmark tips from Dultmeier.com lately. they work well too. 07/12/06 19:02:04 DavidV: hi 07/12/06 19:02:10 Speck_Chaser: hi don 07/12/06 19:02:16 Speck_Chaser: don74 07/12/06 19:02:17 DonPhelps: welcome Don! 07/12/06 19:02:19 PWkid Logs in [65.11.232.198] 07/12/06 19:02:27 DonPhelps: What's up Mel! 07/12/06 19:02:31 Speck_Chaser: pwkid! 07/12/06 19:02:42 BethnRod: Hi all! :) 07/12/06 19:02:44 PWkid: Whats up guys 07/12/06 19:02:53 Speck_Chaser: I'll check into the lurmark tips 07/12/06 19:02:53 DonPhelps: no chicken ladders for me. 07/12/06 19:03:25 DonPhelps: has anyone else used them? 07/12/06 19:03:48 Speck_Chaser: ....... 07/12/06 19:04:00 BarryM Logs in [71.193.97.146] 07/12/06 19:04:02 FLORIN: chicken ladder???? 07/12/06 19:04:04 dennismcguinn: does anyone run a couple of lawn sprinklers on the side of houses that don't have gutters and the side with the gutters? do you use the blue discharge hose at the base of the gutters? 07/12/06 19:04:07 Don74: I am new to roof cleaning. 07/12/06 19:04:21 DonPhelps: the Lurmark tips look like a surface cleaner tip, but since they're plastic, they tend to last longer. just don't smack them around. 07/12/06 19:04:25 Speck_Chaser: chicken ladder hooks on the peak of the roof 07/12/06 19:04:40 Don74: Hey Barry! 07/12/06 19:04:43 DonPhelps: ask away Don, we can help you get started. 07/12/06 19:04:44 FCPWLLC: For the cheap price of the 2.5 gpm pressure pumps that sell a dime a dozen for the home owner machines, has anyone tried upstreaming chem through them until they die and just toss and replace? 07/12/06 19:04:55 DonPhelps: Hi Barry! 07/12/06 19:04:55 BarryM: Hey, what's up? 07/12/06 19:05:07 Speck_Chaser: what's happnin, bethnrod? 07/12/06 19:05:13 BethnRod Logs in [63.153.122.47] 07/12/06 19:05:13 DonPhelps queries IP of BethnRod 07/12/06 19:05:17 Speck_Chaser: are you comin or goin? 07/12/06 19:05:17 PWkid: I am a 12 ft step ladder guy 07/12/06 19:05:37 BethnRod: Hello all, Rod at the keys... 07/12/06 19:05:43 BarryM: Hey Rod 07/12/06 19:05:48 PWkid: Rod whats up 07/12/06 19:05:57 DonPhelps: Mel uses the same pump I do now. He turned me on to it. It shoots great and saves some walking too. 07/12/06 19:05:58 Don74: Don, I really dont have a set up or anything yet 07/12/06 19:06:05 DonPhelps: Hi Rod 07/12/06 19:06:18 Don74: I have read some post about shur flos and some post that guys use xjets 07/12/06 19:06:22 Speck_Chaser: don, what do you run that pump with? 07/12/06 19:06:28 BethnRod: Not much, just hangin 07/12/06 19:06:28 Speck_Chaser: gas motor? 07/12/06 19:06:33 PWkid: I love them pumps After a year I just did minor work to it 07/12/06 19:06:34 Login Failure for tony_melancon [209.215.52.135] 07/12/06 19:06:39 BethnRod: Sup! Don 07/12/06 19:06:39 DonPhelps: Don, do some searching on the board and you'll find plenty of good info. 07/12/06 19:06:44 DonPhelps: yes, gas 07/12/06 19:06:45 PWkid: gas motor 07/12/06 19:06:51 Speck_Chaser: honda? 07/12/06 19:06:54 DonPhelps: yep 07/12/06 19:06:54 Speck_Chaser: what hp? 07/12/06 19:07:01 BarryM: If your doing a lot of roofs Don74 you definately want a shurflo set up 07/12/06 19:07:17 Speck_Chaser: instead of a diaphragm pump? 07/12/06 19:07:20 DonPhelps: I have two 5.5's and a 6.5, but you can go smmaller too. 07/12/06 19:07:47 DonPhelps: What's yours, Mel...4.5? 07/12/06 19:07:51 PWkid: The only reason I did work to it was I did a huge acid wash and it ate up the stainless 07/12/06 19:07:55 alohapc Logs in [65.35.148.12] 07/12/06 19:07:58 Don74: Thats what I figured Barry. I am still going to call you if I get the job for the bank I sent pics to you 07/12/06 19:08:05 PWkid: Its a 5.5 07/12/06 19:08:16 DonPhelps: I couldn't remember 07/12/06 19:08:24 DonPhelps: Welcome Aloha! 07/12/06 19:08:29 BarryM: Hey what's up Don M, I wasn't sure if that was you or not 07/12/06 19:08:30 Speck_Chaser: hi! 07/12/06 19:08:35 PWkid: It only takes a 2.5 to run it but 5.5 is the same price 07/12/06 19:08:36 EnviroClean Logs in [72.50.119.247] 07/12/06 19:08:42 Speck_Chaser: uh-oh 07/12/06 19:08:44 Don74: Yeah, I had to change my name for some reason 07/12/06 19:08:53 DonPhelps: It's that island boy....lol 07/12/06 19:08:56 Speck_Chaser: don74 has an alias 07/12/06 19:09:01 EnviroClean: Hey nice turn out!!! 07/12/06 19:09:04 alohapc: hello...does anyone here use a surface cleaner to clean tile roofs? 07/12/06 19:09:14 FCPWLLC: LOL 07/12/06 19:09:19 Speck_Chaser: no tile here 07/12/06 19:09:29 DonPhelps: I never have...Have you Mel? 07/12/06 19:09:42 EnviroClean: I use surface claener on all my roofs down here!!! 07/12/06 19:09:46 PWkid: You can use a surface cleaner if you change the tips 07/12/06 19:09:56 dennismcguinn: i tried the surface cleaner, only tore up six shingles. the six that were sitting underneath the surface cleaner 07/12/06 19:10:04 DonPhelps: Too many other things to be concerned with on tile, not to mention needing more chem. 07/12/06 19:10:11 Speck_Chaser: hey, jason- what kind of roofs do mud huts have anyway? 07/12/06 19:10:14 EnviroClean: Flat Concrete lol 07/12/06 19:10:15 PWkid: To lower the psi but I don't recommend it 07/12/06 19:10:16 Speck_Chaser: :P 07/12/06 19:10:46 PWkid: Don is right there are better ways to clean roofs 07/12/06 19:10:46 alohapc: i am looking for a chemical solution to spray on through a 5gpm pump to make life easier 07/12/06 19:10:50 DonPhelps: the growth will usually return faster with a surfacer too. 07/12/06 19:11:13 DonPhelps: what kind of pump, aloha? 07/12/06 19:11:15 McMoo Logs in [65.40.20.113] 07/12/06 19:11:28 alohapc: i put tsp and chlorine on th etiles when finished, seems to slow growth 07/12/06 19:11:39 DonPhelps: welcome Dan McCown! :) 07/12/06 19:11:41 alohapc: don, its a cat pump 07/12/06 19:11:45 PWkid: Water makes mold grow and if you don't kill the mold than it grows back. 07/12/06 19:11:45 Don74: Does a tsp mix help with shingles as well? 07/12/06 19:11:56 Speck_Chaser: depends on who you ask 07/12/06 19:12:00 BarryM: Don P, I wanted to talk a little about rinsing 07/12/06 19:12:12 DonPhelps: ok, what's up barry? 07/12/06 19:12:16 BarryM: I know some guys rinse and some don't 07/12/06 19:12:22 DonPhelps: right 07/12/06 19:12:33 alohapc: you are askin the wrong about shingles, ive done 5 in 5 years...i always rinse 07/12/06 19:12:41 BarryM: I know you recommended rinsing the bottom 15 ft or so why ? 07/12/06 19:12:46 Speck_Chaser: is it just a plant protection thing to rinse? 07/12/06 19:12:51 DonPhelps: tsp makes the chem hotter but has it's own set of probs, Don 07/12/06 19:13:08 EnviroClean: Honest question here boys...do you guys make more bread on roofs versus flatwork? 07/12/06 19:13:23 PWkid: I have never used TSP in my mix and have never had problems 07/12/06 19:13:46 alohapc: roofs here....flat work is cake after doing roofs 07/12/06 19:13:49 PWkid: I make twice as much money doing roofs 07/12/06 19:13:54 Speck_Chaser: what about that bottom 15'? 07/12/06 19:13:58 DonPhelps: No, I said you could rinse the bottom area only if you chose to only rinse that much. Because the next morning the dew will sometimes cause dripping and burning so you've at least covered that danger. 07/12/06 19:14:10 Speck_Chaser: dang, fast typing 07/12/06 19:14:20 Speck_Chaser: :) 07/12/06 19:14:21 DonPhelps: I make a ton more on roofs than anything else. 07/12/06 19:14:28 BarryM: I see, I was just curious 07/12/06 19:14:40 PWkid: In Florida roofs are where it is at. 07/12/06 19:14:42 alohapc: pw kid, where you at 07/12/06 19:14:42 Speck_Chaser: is the market saturated with roof cleaners down there? 07/12/06 19:14:50 EnviroClean: interesting 07/12/06 19:14:51 Don74: So do you have to rinse the roof, or just soak all the veg on the ground really good? 07/12/06 19:14:57 PWkid: Vero Beach Florida 07/12/06 19:15:08 FCPWLLC: From what I am seeing there is more Profit Margin in roofs due to the low number of contractors offering service versus the amount of "anyone with a pressure washer" doing flat work. 07/12/06 19:15:19 DonPhelps: it's always good to rinse, but watering needs to take place regardless. 07/12/06 19:15:24 alohapc: tampa, here...saturated is one way to put it 07/12/06 19:15:37 EnviroClean: See this what I figured you guys have your "elevated" niche 07/12/06 19:15:44 Speck_Chaser: possibly oversaturated? 07/12/06 19:15:53 alohapc: how much you guys get for a 3000 sq ft roof where u r ? 07/12/06 19:16:00 FCPWLLC: KY here. No soft washers here. 07/12/06 19:16:18 DonPhelps: roof cleaning eliminates some for different reasons....some because of the heights, some because of lack of knowledge, etc. 07/12/06 19:16:23 PWkid: I charge $600.00 for a 3000 sq ft roof 07/12/06 19:16:27 BarryM: just did one that size last week, walkable and not to bad of streaks for $800 07/12/06 19:16:28 dennismcguinn: say on a 1500 square foot house and help me with the math, whatever the heck the pitch is if it's walkable, is it the same price as the house at 15 cents a sq? anybody? 07/12/06 19:16:43 DonPhelps: I get less that that, but I'm in a much larger market. 07/12/06 19:16:48 alohapc: if you can get $400 here, God bless you....saturated and alot of fly by night 07/12/06 19:16:50 Speck_Chaser: it just seems like there are millions of guys who do roofs in central to south FL 07/12/06 19:16:51 Don74: On a roof, if the house is 3000 sqf, isnt the roof more sq ft because of the pitch? 07/12/06 19:16:53 EnviroClean: soory just a side note Brook Burke is hot!!! 07/12/06 19:17:03 Speck_Chaser: LOL 07/12/06 19:17:12 Speck_Chaser: and she can sure clean a roof 07/12/06 19:17:17 Don74: I am watching to Enviro, she is hot 07/12/06 19:17:21 Speck_Chaser: look at her scamper! 07/12/06 19:17:32 PWkid: I used to be $300 for that but other guys in my area are highwer than that so I found a happy medium 07/12/06 19:17:39 Speck_Chaser: focus, gentlemen. focus. 07/12/06 19:17:57 DonPhelps: yes, more pitch, more area.....think of a b-day card laying on a table, open. when you press it flat it covers more area. 07/12/06 19:18:02 PWkid: Brooke Burke is smoking 07/12/06 19:18:13 BarryM: pretty much .25 cents to .30 cents for a resi one time cleaning 07/12/06 19:18:17 Speck_Chaser: dang, is this the Brooke Burke chat? 07/12/06 19:18:19 EnviroClean: sorry back to roofs boys!! 07/12/06 19:18:19 BarryM: a sq ft 07/12/06 19:18:22 Don74: Thats what I thought, is there a math equation for it 07/12/06 19:18:26 PWkid: Sorry 07/12/06 19:18:44 alohapc: funny don, most people think sq footage of house = sq footage of roof! 07/12/06 19:18:54 Speck_Chaser: only in puerto rico 07/12/06 19:18:58 dennismcguinn: that's what i want to know, is there a math equation for it? 07/12/06 19:19:08 Don74: I dont understand what a "x""y" pitch is. 07/12/06 19:19:15 Speck_Chaser: sq ft. x 1.3 for a standard pitch roof 07/12/06 19:19:19 alohapc: ive always used 1.5 times sq footage of house 07/12/06 19:19:23 PWkid: Take the sq ft of house and add 1/3 to it is a rule of thumb for roof 07/12/06 19:19:31 Don74: Like if soneone is telling me a roof is a 1212 pitch, its greek to me 07/12/06 19:19:34 FCPWLLC: There is an equation but I don't have it handy 07/12/06 19:19:42 DonPhelps: Don, you need to know the pitch to figure it out, but I don't have the formula. 07/12/06 19:20:01 BarryM: 12/12 is very steep....lol 07/12/06 19:20:06 dennismcguinn: guestamation, i guess. 07/12/06 19:20:10 Speck_Chaser: 12 pitch means that it rises 12 inches every 12 inches 07/12/06 19:20:12 DonPhelps: I simply add anywhere from 20-33% to accomadate for pitch. 07/12/06 19:20:22 DonPhelps: accomodate, sorry 07/12/06 19:20:22 Speck_Chaser: 12 pitch is a 45 degree angle 07/12/06 19:20:35 Speck_Chaser: and a mother 07/12/06 19:20:42 Speck_Chaser: lots of those around here 07/12/06 19:20:56 EnviroClean: you guys are way outa my league my roof sq ft is the same as the house, I guess I am just a flatwork cleaner that uses a ladder 07/12/06 19:21:08 DonPhelps: yeah Dennis, after a while it's about eye ballin' it to some degree for me unless it's an apartment complex or something else huge. 07/12/06 19:21:26 EnviroClean: yeah nice scamper Speck!!! 07/12/06 19:21:30 alohapc: short changin yourself EC 07/12/06 19:21:37 dennismcguinn: i do what don told me to do, stick with the walkable roofs 07/12/06 19:21:39 Speck_Chaser: don't you bring out the little wheel just to make the lady happy? 07/12/06 19:21:53 dennismcguinn: yeah sometimes 07/12/06 19:22:01 EnviroClean: of coares I do!!! 07/12/06 19:22:10 Speck_Chaser: there are hardly any walkable roofs around here in neighborhoods that will pay for roof cleaning. 07/12/06 19:22:21 DonPhelps: walkable roofs are best in my opinion for anyone starting out because it allows you time to gain some knowledge and working experience. 07/12/06 19:22:33 BarryM: I agree 07/12/06 19:22:39 dennismcguinn: do it on a saturday when they are all working in their yards. it works. 07/12/06 19:22:57 Speck_Chaser: to generate more business? 07/12/06 19:22:58 DonPhelps: I used to play the wheel game, but most of my estimates are written before human contact is made. 07/12/06 19:23:17 Speck_Chaser: or to have 4 guys come over and tell you you're doing it wrong? 07/12/06 19:23:28 Speck_Chaser: c'mon don. the wheel is cool. 07/12/06 19:23:31 BethnRod: More than 70% of the roofs around here are too steep and 3-4 stories off the ground due to terrain. 07/12/06 19:23:40 Speck_Chaser: yep 07/12/06 19:23:42 alohapc: best time to work IMO is saturday and sunday...folks see u workin, wanna keep up with joneses 07/12/06 19:23:42 dennismcguinn: yeah, it definately generates more buisness. do one roof, pick up five. :D 07/12/06 19:23:46 Speck_Chaser: and we don't even have any hills 07/12/06 19:23:47 Don74: Wow, how do you clean those? 07/12/06 19:23:50 DonPhelps: Yeah, it's that way in the ATL area too. 07/12/06 19:24:06 BarryM: that's why rod does wood instead 07/12/06 19:24:20 Speck_Chaser: but I don't want to do wood! 07/12/06 19:24:23 BethnRod: you know it Barry 07/12/06 19:24:33 DonPhelps: FL is mostly flat and that's a good thing....lol 07/12/06 19:24:36 Speck_Chaser: :cry: 07/12/06 19:25:00 alohapc: yeah 90 % are walkable 07/12/06 19:25:07 Speck_Chaser: louisiana is flatter than FL, but around here all the yuppies want huge facades on their houses 07/12/06 19:25:13 McMoo: don how do you do that? before human cotact 07/12/06 19:25:18 Speck_Chaser: i took some pics today 07/12/06 19:25:24 BarryM: there is a lot of roofs to do in my area but homeowner are just uneducated 07/12/06 19:25:28 Speck_Chaser: i'll post them soon 07/12/06 19:25:38 Don74: Exactly Barry, same here 07/12/06 19:25:48 BarryM: It's a midwest thing 07/12/06 19:25:51 alohapc: my sister said never to let anyone clean my roof" lol 07/12/06 19:25:57 Speck_Chaser: yeah, the ones with walkable roofs around here aren't interested in cleaning them 07/12/06 19:26:05 BarryM: I'll educate them all Don 07/12/06 19:26:15 DonPhelps: I do my homework on the net first at the county appraiser's site then go to the residence and take a quick peek. Most of it is written up before I ever get out of the truck though. 07/12/06 19:26:16 EnviroClean: Do you guys know anything about waterproof coatings for conrete roofs? 07/12/06 19:26:30 Speck_Chaser: nope 07/12/06 19:26:42 BarryM: concrete roof? 07/12/06 19:26:45 DonPhelps: I don't...anybody? 07/12/06 19:26:50 dennismcguinn: i've only done 5 roofs all on saturdays i have 22 so far to do in january and febuary, all walkable. 07/12/06 19:26:57 Speck_Chaser: if anyone here does concrete patching and sealing i'm offering labor-for-learning 07/12/06 19:27:14 Speck_Chaser: why in jan and feb? 07/12/06 19:27:17 Don74: There is a big roofing company here in St. Louis that has just started running roof cleaning ads on TV. They keep running the ads, so I guess its starting to work. 07/12/06 19:27:35 dennismcguinn: cause it's my least buisiest time 07/12/06 19:27:42 Speck_Chaser: wish someone (other than me) would run ads here 07/12/06 19:27:44 DonPhelps: Older neighborhoods with predominantly all ranch homes are great fro raking in some roofs in qty. 07/12/06 19:27:47 EnviroClean: Everyone I do a roof for wants me to seal the roof but I just don't know enough about different products and they all want a warranty on coatings...i turn it down 07/12/06 19:28:17 Speck_Chaser: no ranch neighborhoods with $$ around here 07/12/06 19:28:30 Speck_Chaser: or i should say very few 07/12/06 19:28:46 dennismcguinn: yeah, right on, ranch styles rake it in and you can schedule when you want once they see the results. 07/12/06 19:28:52 DonPhelps: They're hard to come by these days, but we have sevral that are lake access and mid to high end 07/12/06 19:28:57 DonPhelps: several 07/12/06 19:28:58 Speck_Chaser: but if i want to do a significant number of roofs i have to be able to shoot from the gutter 07/12/06 19:29:14 Don74: How far would chems go on a standard 1500 ranch house. How many roofs can you clean if you cut a 12% mix in half in a 125 gallon container? 07/12/06 19:29:33 Speck_Chaser: OK, fine. I'm moving to Orlando. Can I live with you, Don? :P 07/12/06 19:29:44 DonPhelps: I could clean probably 3-4 07/12/06 19:30:14 DonPhelps: sure thad, just pay half the bills! ;) 07/12/06 19:30:25 Speck_Chaser: mine or yours? 07/12/06 19:30:30 DonPhelps: both 07/12/06 19:30:33 Speck_Chaser: ouch 07/12/06 19:30:48 squirtgun Logs in [68.154.83.149] 07/12/06 19:31:01 Speck_Chaser: howdy 07/12/06 19:31:02 DonPhelps: it only takes about 30-40 gal for a roof...sometimes not even that. 07/12/06 19:31:10 dennismcguinn: how about the blue discharge hose on the drain end of the gutters? is it nessicary? 07/12/06 19:31:10 PWkid: Whats up Scott 07/12/06 19:31:12 DonPhelps: what's up Scott! 07/12/06 19:31:20 EnviroClean: Hey scotty!! 07/12/06 19:31:21 squirtgun: Sup ya'll 07/12/06 19:31:30 Speck_Chaser: you, prolly 07/12/06 19:31:36 squirtgun: lol 07/12/06 19:31:49 Speck_Chaser: well, you missed it 07/12/06 19:31:53 DonPhelps: Dennis, what is it? One of those that rolls up? 07/12/06 19:31:55 squirtgun: what's that 07/12/06 19:31:56 Speck_Chaser: we're all moving to orlando 07/12/06 19:32:05 Speck_Chaser: gonna all live at phelps house 07/12/06 19:32:09 dennismcguinn: exactly yeah 07/12/06 19:32:12 Speck_Chaser: he'll pay half our bills 07/12/06 19:32:20 DonPhelps: There's too many tourists that never left here already....lol! 07/12/06 19:32:21 Speck_Chaser: :D 07/12/06 19:32:23 FLORIN: Newbie question- what ?% bleach on roof surface for medium mold & mildew 07/12/06 19:32:45 DonPhelps: anywhere from 35-50 in my opinion. 07/12/06 19:32:48 Speck_Chaser: newbie answer- start with 3% and adjust from there? 07/12/06 19:32:51 BarryM: 4-6% 07/12/06 19:33:07 PWkid: I am a 50-50 guy but thats my opinion 07/12/06 19:33:10 DonPhelps: mine is in chem/water #'s 07/12/06 19:33:12 BarryM: Depends on steepness, temperature outside, color of shingle 07/12/06 19:33:24 Speck_Chaser: zodiac sign, wind direction 07/12/06 19:33:26 BarryM: and how fresh the chlorine is 07/12/06 19:33:35 Speck_Chaser: moon phase 07/12/06 19:33:42 BarryM: seriously 07/12/06 19:33:43 DonPhelps: Barry has a good point.....temps slows it down, even down here. 07/12/06 19:34:13 BarryM: moon phase? okay that was funny 07/12/06 19:34:13 Don74: So the hotter is it outside the better? 07/12/06 19:34:19 Speck_Chaser: that's why i was wondering why dennis was doing them in jan 07/12/06 19:34:21 FCPWLLC: Longer the dwell the better? 07/12/06 19:34:48 DonPhelps: There are many variables that always seem to be forgotten about when people reply in open forums. freshness, availability, equipment, experience, etc. 07/12/06 19:34:57 dennismcguinn: maybe i'm spoiled but two or three hundred dollars a day with a long dwell time in january and febuary seems like good money to me. 07/12/06 19:35:07 Speck_Chaser: it's different every day, right? 07/12/06 19:35:23 dennismcguinn: definately, yeah. 07/12/06 19:35:47 FLORIN: good stuff here, got to go though hope we do this again. 07/12/06 19:35:49 Speck_Chaser: it doesn't get that cold here, so jan/feb wouldn't be a big deal 07/12/06 19:35:52 FCPWLLC: Is there a point when Dwell time will be too much? 07/12/06 19:35:59 BarryM: I guarantee you could not come up here in 60 degree weather a try to xjet a roof 07/12/06 19:36:08 Speck_Chaser: ? 07/12/06 19:36:09 DonPhelps: hot is good when spraying except for having your mix evaporate quickly sometimes. 07/12/06 19:36:25 Don74: I see. 07/12/06 19:36:43 dennismcguinn: here in Charleston, SC our average mean tempature is 72 degrees. works for me. 07/12/06 19:36:57 FLORIN Logs Out 07/12/06 19:37:04 DonPhelps: Michael, not really.....it kills the algae and dries. after that, you're ready to rinse if the roof is otherwise finished. 07/12/06 19:37:16 squirtgun: Are you xjetting from the ground Barry? 07/12/06 19:37:18 PWkid: I love charleston SC. I used to live in MB SC 07/12/06 19:37:30 BarryM: no, I shurflo from the roof 07/12/06 19:37:39 Speck_Chaser: findyourspot.com keeps telling me to move to myrtle beach 07/12/06 19:37:44 dennismcguinn: aaahhh myrtle beach. sun fun capital of the world. gotta love it. 07/12/06 19:37:44 BarryM: x jet would put out a strong enough mix 07/12/06 19:37:46 squirtgun: oh ok 07/12/06 19:37:53 BarryM: would not, sorry 07/12/06 19:37:53 FCPWLLC: So no problem with drying? When I do Vinyl, Drying is bad. At least on windows. 07/12/06 19:38:05 Don74: So I have read some people shoot from the gutters. Do you xjet or shurflo from there? Will a shurflo shoot 30ft? 07/12/06 19:38:08 squirtgun: I do it all the time with and xjet. 07/12/06 19:38:10 DonPhelps: some people rinse with their pwer too by choking an open ball valve and just shooting it up there. 07/12/06 19:38:24 Speck_Chaser: scott- what gpm with the xjet 07/12/06 19:38:41 EnviroClean: Well roof dudes thanks looks like you have serious business here...estan hablando chino para mi ( your speaking chinese to me) My roofs are flatwork, see you all on the flipside 07/12/06 19:38:45 DonPhelps: distance will depend on setup, nozzle size, wind, etc. 07/12/06 19:38:51 Speck_Chaser: later, j 07/12/06 19:38:59 BethnRod: Anyone use the flex wand? It will shoot a goo 30-40 feet without a tip with the type of gpms you guys have 07/12/06 19:39:01 BarryM: see ya 07/12/06 19:39:02 Speck_Chaser: don't foam brooke burke 07/12/06 19:39:05 BethnRod: oops good 07/12/06 19:39:17 Speck_Chaser: lol 07/12/06 19:39:18 EnviroClean Logs Out 07/12/06 19:39:27 BarryM: never tried it Rod 07/12/06 19:39:30 squirtgun: 5.2,we pull straight 12% from a 5er that is elelvated. 07/12/06 19:39:47 BarryM: what % is that hitting the roof then 07/12/06 19:39:57 BarryM: 4 or so? 07/12/06 19:39:59 DonPhelps: we don't, but our setup is somewhat unique at this point. it will soon change I believe. 07/12/06 19:40:11 squirtgun: about 3% to 4% 07/12/06 19:40:21 Speck_Chaser: will your new setup be fruit-oriented? 07/12/06 19:40:25 Speck_Chaser ducks 07/12/06 19:40:32 Speck_Chaser runs 07/12/06 19:40:34 DonPhelps: be nice, Thad! 07/12/06 19:40:36 squirtgun: with fresh chems there is little need to reapply. 07/12/06 19:40:39 BarryM: let me guess Don, 5/8 inch hose? 07/12/06 19:40:40 Speck_Chaser: i'm always nice 07/12/06 19:40:58 DonPhelps: lol....moving along! 07/12/06 19:41:01 Speck_Chaser: hahaha 07/12/06 19:41:05 Don74: LOL 07/12/06 19:41:10 BarryM: lol 07/12/06 19:41:10 Speck_Chaser rofl 07/12/06 19:41:13 BarryM: sorry 07/12/06 19:41:24 McMoo: lol 07/12/06 19:41:25 BethnRod: use the flex wand w/o a tip and it throws a full flow water jet. 07/12/06 19:41:36 Don74: Squirt, you put the 5er on the roof and go to town? 07/12/06 19:41:39 DonPhelps: like I always say...."Do what works for you!" 07/12/06 19:41:48 dennismcguinn: hey don, never got my answered question on the blue discharge hose, anybody can jump in on this, do i need the blue hose or not if i run the sprinklers? 07/12/06 19:41:49 BarryM: right 07/12/06 19:42:08 BarryM: sounds like that could work for rinsing Rod 07/12/06 19:42:11 DonPhelps: I'm not sure what blue hose you mean? 07/12/06 19:42:11 PWkid: Not taking anything away from Chris I have used shurflo and have never used a 5/8 hos but now I use a totally different set-up 07/12/06 19:42:23 BethnRod: exactly 07/12/06 19:42:25 Speck_Chaser: what blue hose? 07/12/06 19:42:37 squirtgun: sometimes it goes on the roof,but I will tie ot off at the ladder about 4 ft from the ground 07/12/06 19:42:57 Speck_Chaser: why can't you leave it on the ground? 07/12/06 19:43:02 BarryM: wont draw 07/12/06 19:43:05 Speck_Chaser: ah 07/12/06 19:43:06 squirtgun: won't draw as well 07/12/06 19:43:07 BethnRod Joins Subroom Town Meeting 07/12/06 19:43:09 Speck_Chaser: rats 07/12/06 19:43:19 dennismcguinn: blue foldable discharge hose tied around the base of the gutter outflow, i've killed a couple plants trying to move the water away from the base of the plants. 07/12/06 19:43:24 Don74: There is no way mine will draw like that 07/12/06 19:43:25 BarryM: I cant get an xjet to draw standing on a ladder 07/12/06 19:43:39 Don74: But I have only got a 3gpm machine. 07/12/06 19:43:39 BarryM: not bashing it, I'm just saying 07/12/06 19:43:43 squirtgun: xjetting isn't the easiest way to do it but we don't do 2 roofs a day 07/12/06 19:43:53 Don74: Thats my next investment 07/12/06 19:43:57 Speck_Chaser: so it takes a lot longer? 07/12/06 19:44:04 Speck_Chaser: with an xjet? 07/12/06 19:44:10 squirtgun: with 3gpm you should be getting a better ratio than i am 07/12/06 19:44:21 DonPhelps: Dennis, have you tried just laying a running garden hose at the downspout? 07/12/06 19:44:22 BethnRod: Hang your bucket from a rope. 07/12/06 19:44:25 PWkid: I have never had any luck with cleaning roofs with an x-jet 07/12/06 19:44:28 squirtgun: we can do a 2400 sq ft house in under 2 hours 07/12/06 19:44:50 Speck_Chaser: i wonder how different the algae is in GA 07/12/06 19:44:53 Speck_Chaser: than FL 07/12/06 19:44:53 dennismcguinn: yeah i've tried it, bought a fica plant for somebody. 07/12/06 19:45:06 BarryM: really all you need for a shurflo setup is...the shurflo, a tank, and 200' of chem hose, and battery 07/12/06 19:45:19 DonPhelps: lol...at least it wasn't a 10 year old 20 ft palm. 07/12/06 19:45:23 BarryM: and a wand 07/12/06 19:45:24 Speck_Chaser: and a roof that you can walk on 07/12/06 19:45:26 squirtgun: it's hardy but I don 07/12/06 19:45:31 BarryM: right 07/12/06 19:45:38 BarryM: and lots of roofs to do 07/12/06 19:45:43 squirtgun: oops don't knwo if it's any different than Fl 07/12/06 19:45:46 Speck_Chaser: one is better than none 07/12/06 19:45:56 DonPhelps: yep, shurflo setups are simple and work great. 07/12/06 19:46:05 Don74: We are going to clean my mother in laws roof next week. It about a 412 pitch 1000 sqft for practice. I was going to put the bucket on the roof and let my helper xjet. and rinse while I am rinsing underneath 07/12/06 19:46:17 BarryM: I just ordered another pump to have on hand for a back up 07/12/06 19:46:22 Speck_Chaser: which one? 07/12/06 19:46:26 Speck_Chaser: 1.8? 07/12/06 19:46:29 DonPhelps: Dennis, acll me tomorrow or Friday and we can go through the blue hose thing, OK? 07/12/06 19:46:32 BarryM: only $60 what the heck 07/12/06 19:46:36 DonPhelps: call, sorry 07/12/06 19:46:41 BarryM: 1.8gpm 60psi 07/12/06 19:46:42 johnT Logs in [24.47.58.129] 07/12/06 19:46:42 DonPhelps queries IP of johnT 07/12/06 19:46:42 BethnRod queries IP of johnT 07/12/06 19:46:42 squirtgun: have to run.Later 07/12/06 19:46:50 Speck_Chaser: later, squirty! 07/12/06 19:46:50 dennismcguinn: i gotta go, i got a 9:00. thanks don and everybody for your help. and it was a big help. let's do it again. hope the transcripts are up somewhere i can find them tomorrow, i want to read the rest of this. 07/12/06 19:46:59 dennismcguinn: so long and thanks for all the fish. 07/12/06 19:47:02 squirtgun Logs Out 07/12/06 19:47:02 BarryM: see ya 07/12/06 19:47:02 Speck_Chaser: bye! 07/12/06 19:47:09 Don74: bye 07/12/06 19:47:17 DonPhelps: Thanks for joining in on the chat Dennis! 07/12/06 19:47:29 johnT: Hello hows the chat working out 07/12/06 19:47:36 BethnRod: great 07/12/06 19:47:39 Speck_Chaser: he brought up a good point about transcripts 07/12/06 19:47:49 BarryM: ya, print them 07/12/06 19:47:51 BethnRod: evening John, Rod keying 07/12/06 19:47:53 Speck_Chaser: are there any available? 07/12/06 19:47:54 DonPhelps: Beth will probably post them 07/12/06 19:48:01 Speck_Chaser: cool 07/12/06 19:48:09 Speck_Chaser: so behave, don 07/12/06 19:48:20 BethnRod: She will post the transcript tomorrow. 07/12/06 19:48:33 BarryM: Rod you have a good women 07/12/06 19:48:35 DonPhelps: lol...I'm too old to cause trouble anymore! 07/12/06 19:48:54 Don74: So is roof cleaning slow this time of year like everything else? 07/12/06 19:49:02 johnT: I think where all to old.lol at least I am 07/12/06 19:49:24 DonPhelps: It's been a little slow here.....Doing a ton of flatwork now, though. 07/12/06 19:49:34 Speck_Chaser: it's just too darn hot to run around on roofs 07/12/06 19:49:48 PWkid: It is for me right now but I am hoping it will pick up 07/12/06 19:49:51 BethnRod: Thank you, she has made me proud. Whirling dirvish she be! 07/12/06 19:50:27 johnT: do you guys mostly do roof jobs on the roof or from the ground?? 07/12/06 19:50:33 Speck_Chaser: that brought up a very funny mental image, rod 07/12/06 19:50:35 PWkid: Never too hot if the money is right lol 07/12/06 19:50:40 Work2Fish Logs in [71.1.253.107] 07/12/06 19:50:42 DonPhelps: Thad, you keep finding reasons not to do them. What's up with that? ;) 07/12/06 19:50:48 Speck_Chaser: lazy 07/12/06 19:50:48 EverettAbrams Logs in [69.142.42.190] 07/12/06 19:50:52 Speck_Chaser: skeered 07/12/06 19:51:12 Speck_Chaser: hey, guys 07/12/06 19:51:15 DonPhelps: lol....it only hurts for a second or two! 07/12/06 19:51:16 BarryM: John I do them from the roof 07/12/06 19:51:16 Work2Fish: Well i got in huys the party can start :D 07/12/06 19:51:27 Speck_Chaser: OK, everybody go home! 07/12/06 19:51:29 DonPhelps: what's up, Chris! 07/12/06 19:51:30 EverettAbrams Logs Out 07/12/06 19:51:31 Speck_Chaser: it's over! 07/12/06 19:51:35 johnT: Hey Everett has entered the bldg... 07/12/06 19:51:42 Speck_Chaser: dnag, i was only kidding 07/12/06 19:51:48 DonPhelps: ...and left the building too. 07/12/06 19:51:51 johnT: Everett has left the bldg.lol 07/12/06 19:51:51 Speck_Chaser: :( 07/12/06 19:52:00 Speck_Chaser: uh-oh 07/12/06 19:52:08 McMoo: Beth Thanks for the help today :) 07/12/06 19:52:10 Work2Fish: nothing just seeing how the rest of yall power washers are doing 07/12/06 19:52:16 BarryM: That's Rod 07/12/06 19:52:24 DonPhelps: Cleaning anything Chris Cole? 07/12/06 19:52:32 BethnRod: She say's your welcome! 07/12/06 19:52:51 BarryM: She can here us? 07/12/06 19:52:56 BarryM: Hi Beth!! 07/12/06 19:52:59 Speck_Chaser: lOL 07/12/06 19:53:02 Work2Fish: just finished all the florida hospitals and now looking at a big mall project 07/12/06 19:53:09 Work2Fish: $$$$ 07/12/06 19:53:10 Speck_Chaser: wow, congrats 07/12/06 19:53:19 BethnRod: She is on the other pc 07/12/06 19:53:23 DonPhelps: You'll get it! 07/12/06 19:53:33 Don74: Thats nice. Congrats 07/12/06 19:53:46 BarryM: what did you do at the hospitals? 07/12/06 19:53:50 Speck_Chaser: so when are we going fishing, mr. $$$$$? 07/12/06 19:53:59 DonPhelps: anyone have any other questions/comments about roof cleaning? 07/12/06 19:54:04 Work2Fish: I got me a skinny helper now so im ready to clean some roofs 07/12/06 19:54:10 Work2Fish: any time 07/12/06 19:54:23 DonPhelps: lol....Don't let that kid get hurt! 07/12/06 19:54:26 Speck_Chaser: skinny helpers are key, no? 07/12/06 19:54:26 Don74: I just sent out 20 letters to property managers, going to send out 23 more to banks after I get the letter wrote out tonight. 07/12/06 19:54:34 BethnRod: Does anyone use a block and tackle set up to do the steep ones or just get a lift to do it with? 07/12/06 19:55:01 RonMusgraves Logs in [68.3.15.56] 07/12/06 19:55:02 BethnRod: Skinny ones blow off easily :) 07/12/06 19:55:03 Speck_Chaser: good question 07/12/06 19:55:03 BarryM: Good going Don M, think guerrila baby 07/12/06 19:55:25 PWkid: If I can't reach it with a 12' ft step ladder and 300 psi I'll use a lift 07/12/06 19:55:27 DonPhelps: We shoot them from the edge, unless it's commercial. Then a lift is needed. 07/12/06 19:55:29 BethnRod: hey Ron 07/12/06 19:55:30 RonMusgraves: hello 07/12/06 19:55:36 RonMusgraves: holy cow 07/12/06 19:55:37 Speck_Chaser: howdy 07/12/06 19:55:42 RonMusgraves: about 20 people 07/12/06 19:55:47 DonPhelps: Welcome Ron! 07/12/06 19:55:55 RonMusgraves: thats really cool 07/12/06 19:56:03 BarryM: hey Ron 07/12/06 19:56:03 Don74: I'm thinking about cleaning a church building the week after next for free just to get my name out there. 07/12/06 19:56:36 BarryM: can't hurt, especially if you have the time. 07/12/06 19:56:46 DonPhelps: cleaning churches works on a lot of levels. Some of them ahve unique roof lines too, which is good for ad pics. 07/12/06 19:57:09 BarryM: a lot of churches want it done for free anyway 07/12/06 19:57:10 johnT: Free is Rons middle name and it can get you plenty of business if done right 07/12/06 19:57:42 PWkid: And it is a tax write off 07/12/06 19:57:47 Don74: This one is huge! I will post some pics of it tomorrow. It would be nice if they would pay for chems, but hey, hopefully I would get some calls from the members 07/12/06 19:57:48 Work2Fish: what do you do if the tile roof hasnt been cleaned for 30 years and the goo is like a inch thick? 07/12/06 19:57:52 DonPhelps: There are a few that I want to clean for free around here just for the pics. 07/12/06 19:57:58 johnT: I cleaned last year the Cooperstown Stadium with others for free for the CAA project and it gets me jobs on my website 07/12/06 19:58:21 Speck_Chaser: OK, thanks for the good info, guys. 07/12/06 19:58:24 Speck_Chaser: I'm Audi 07/12/06 19:58:26 procarepm Logs in [71.99.144.67] 07/12/06 19:58:40 BarryM: dont let your meat loaf 07/12/06 19:58:42 BarryM: later 07/12/06 19:58:44 Speck_Chaser: have a good night, all! 07/12/06 19:58:55 johnT: later 07/12/06 19:58:56 DonPhelps: Chris, it's like any other except for price and danger factor usually. If it's moss, it's a different story though. 07/12/06 19:59:01 Speck_Chaser Logs Out 07/12/06 19:59:17 DonPhelps: Welcome Procare! 07/12/06 19:59:30 Work2Fish: have you been by Rollins colleg lately 07/12/06 19:59:30 procarepm: Thank you 07/12/06 19:59:50 RonMusgraves: Hey guys, gotta run. this sounds like fun. wish i could stay. 07/12/06 19:59:58 DonPhelps: nope, not my side of town. That would be a nice, high profile job though. 07/12/06 20:00:00 Work2Fish: see yah ron 07/12/06 20:00:00 johnT: cya Ron 07/12/06 20:00:03 RonMusgraves: concrat to beth on writing job 07/12/06 20:00:05 DonPhelps: later Ron 07/12/06 20:00:08 BarryM: see ya ron 07/12/06 20:00:09 RonMusgraves: bye 07/12/06 20:00:25 BethnRod: thanks!!!! 07/12/06 20:00:29 RonMusgraves Logs Out 07/12/06 20:00:48 DonPhelps: I'm thinking about going after the Hard Rock Hotel. It looks terrible, it's huge and it's not that steep. 07/12/06 20:00:58 Work2Fish: the whole place is tile make great pics 07/12/06 20:01:03 FCPWLLC: Gotta go.... My Bed time. 07/12/06 20:01:10 DonPhelps: Probably at least 4-5 stories though. 07/12/06 20:01:13 Work2Fish: see yah fcp 07/12/06 20:01:14 PWkid: Lotsa good publicity 07/12/06 20:01:20 DavidV: i'm doing playground equip for my daughters school to paint... 07/12/06 20:01:28 DonPhelps: Thanks for stopping in Michael! 07/12/06 20:01:33 BarryM: see ya 07/12/06 20:01:39 DavidV: wood swing and things 07/12/06 20:01:42 FCPWLLC Logs Out 07/12/06 20:01:56 johnT: I gotta run also..good job with this chat Beth and Don Phelps.. 07/12/06 20:02:01 Work2Fish: thats all you don 07/12/06 20:02:18 Work2Fish: ill run ground crew for yah 07/12/06 20:02:27 DonPhelps: Give them plenty of business cards if you do, David...That's a great opportunity. 07/12/06 20:02:46 johnT Logs Out 07/12/06 20:02:48 DonPhelps: Thanks for stopping in John! 07/12/06 20:02:54 DonPhelps: oops...too late. 07/12/06 20:02:58 Don74: Whats the best way to market /advertise this service. 07/12/06 20:03:11 DavidV: pto prez...dentist wife...now wants his building done 07/12/06 20:03:38 DavidV: doing an article 4 local paper too 07/12/06 20:03:49 DonPhelps: Like most others really, but I've had success with networking through other companies.....GC's, pool services, realtors, etc. 07/12/06 20:04:08 DonPhelps: realtors are tricky though....Most aren't interested. 07/12/06 20:04:27 dennismcguinn Disconnects 07/12/06 20:04:54 Don74: Yeah I agree. I have talked to a few, gave some business cards too, even told them I would give them a commission. Nothing 07/12/06 20:05:01 BarryM: another reason to get into bni Don M 07/12/06 20:05:05 Work2Fish: im going to hang door hangers on hand pick homes that need 3 or more types of services hopefully cut the phone book and get the direct call. 07/12/06 20:06:03 Don74: Barry, I just dont know about bni. And quite honestly I cant swing it right now with the finances the way they are. 07/12/06 20:06:07 Work2Fish: Ive got 750 and hope to maybe get 25 sales, probably less 07/12/06 20:06:16 DonPhelps: Chris entioned a way that we use too by targeting specific homes that need several services rather than wasting time/materials by blanketing entire 'hoods. 07/12/06 20:06:22 BarryM: I understand believe me 07/12/06 20:06:26 BarryM: gotta eat first 07/12/06 20:06:27 DonPhelps: mentioned 07/12/06 20:07:17 Don74: I've sent out 900 postcards with one call, no job. That hurts. I hope they are hanging on to the cards and will call when the kids get back in school. 07/12/06 20:07:20 Work2Fish: I can post a pic of what a got made later and they where pretty cheap to get made 07/12/06 20:07:27 BarryM: I really believe it's all about educating the homeowner 07/12/06 20:07:56 BarryM: I'm doing some education marketing 07/12/06 20:08:10 BarryM: We'll see how it goes 07/12/06 20:08:10 DonPhelps: Roof cleaning is somewhat more specialized like wood restoration. Not as many in it and the pay is usually very good. 07/12/06 20:08:19 Work2Fish: has anyone had a good response to the newsletter thing 07/12/06 20:08:27 Don74: With the flyer from Keith? I hope it does well for you. 07/12/06 20:08:37 BarryM: Yes, thanks Don 07/12/06 20:08:42 DonPhelps: Keith does great work 07/12/06 20:08:44 BarryM: I hope so too 07/12/06 20:08:49 BarryM: yes he does 07/12/06 20:08:55 PWkid: I sent out 1000 post cards around a month ago and nothing 07/12/06 20:09:13 PWkid: It is a tough market this time a year in Florida 07/12/06 20:09:13 BarryM: what was on them? 07/12/06 20:09:17 DonPhelps: He'll be working on something for me again soon...He just doesn't know it yet, lol. 07/12/06 20:09:27 BarryM: lol 07/12/06 20:09:30 Don74: Don, the roof business here is totally untapped market, that is why I am interested into gettingin this. 07/12/06 20:09:42 Work2Fish: how did you decide where the 1000 went to 07/12/06 20:09:44 BarryM: he's cleaning up my website right now 07/12/06 20:10:31 PWkid: From driving around and noticing the type of neighborhood and its money potential. 07/12/06 20:10:33 DonPhelps: I think it'll probably always stay somewaht more open in most areas due to the fact that some many people aren't interested in the height/danger issues among other things. 07/12/06 20:10:48 DonPhelps: so many, sorry 07/12/06 20:10:50 PWkid: Also how dirty it was 07/12/06 20:11:11 Work2Fish: did you buy a mailing list for a neighbor hood 07/12/06 20:11:23 Work2Fish: or hand picked 07/12/06 20:12:21 Don74: I could be wrong, but I think for a new company to really make the turn is to get in with a property manager. 07/12/06 20:12:26 PWkid: Actually I went to the propert appr website and got addys and my wife was bored one night and addressed them and mailed them. 07/12/06 20:12:36 DonPhelps: Commercial roof cleaning is the directing I've set sail for, as some have noticed. Huge money and very little competition and we're done in a week or two. 07/12/06 20:12:49 Don74: This residental thing is good, but for me latley is has been feast or famine. 07/12/06 20:12:59 Don74: And this last week has been famine. 07/12/06 20:13:02 Don74: :) 07/12/06 20:13:19 BarryM: I also got a taste of the money in commercial roof cleaning, very yummy 07/12/06 20:13:29 DonPhelps: It's that way often, until you've been around for a while. 07/12/06 20:14:13 DonPhelps: Barry, what was that one pic group you posted from? A country club or something? I can't remember 07/12/06 20:14:26 PWkid: Commercial roof cleaning is awesome money and I have done a lot of it but just make sure you have your ducks in a row 07/12/06 20:14:43 DonPhelps: lol 07/12/06 20:14:43 BarryM: Office buildings, 12 of em 07/12/06 20:14:54 BarryM: 32,000 sq ft total 07/12/06 20:14:57 Don74: Hey PW, care to expand on your "ducks" 07/12/06 20:15:17 DonPhelps: The one with the streaks you were concerned about? 07/12/06 20:15:35 BarryM: ya, it turned out good after a few rains 07/12/06 20:16:17 Work2Fish: commercial is only good for you established guys a newnie like my self couldnt afford to take on a big proj unless i bring other contractors but then you lose the job and credibility. 07/12/06 20:16:20 DonPhelps: I thought it would....Kinda freaks you out when you get your stuff packed up and see it, but it usually rinses with raain. 07/12/06 20:16:49 PWkid: Equipment,workers,making sure you have the right insurance, and Workers comp is very important 07/12/06 20:16:55 BarryM: yup, it was just that cloudy look 07/12/06 20:17:04 BarryM: thanks for your help on that one 07/12/06 20:17:12 Work2Fish: but i wouldnt ever turn down a peice of pie vs losing the whole thing 07/12/06 20:17:13 DonPhelps: Why do you say that, Chris? I told you I would help you out. It's still your gig! 07/12/06 20:17:33 Work2Fish: in general 07/12/06 20:17:48 BarryM: I disagree, sorry 07/12/06 20:17:49 Work2Fish: i lucky to have friendly competitors 07/12/06 20:18:15 DonPhelps: It only takes a few then you're on your own. 07/12/06 20:18:26 DonPhelps: What do you mean, Barry? 07/12/06 20:18:44 BarryM: I just bid on a 36 building apartment complex. I have no employees and a small setup 07/12/06 20:18:48 DonPhelps: I take care of you, Chris. 07/12/06 20:19:01 BarryM: but I dont care, if I get the job I'll figure out how to do it 07/12/06 20:19:04 Work2Fish: i appreciate it man 07/12/06 20:19:27 BarryM: don't be scared to go for it 07/12/06 20:19:32 Don74: Chris, are you just new to roofs or new to the whole thing? 07/12/06 20:19:51 Work2Fish: i dont like to work with shoot first clean up later. it could kill your business 07/12/06 20:20:02 Work2Fish: whole thing 07/12/06 20:20:04 DonPhelps: They can be intimidating until you get your mind around it. ask Mel about the one we did last fall. There were a lot of dirty roofs staring at us for a while. 07/12/06 20:20:13 Work2Fish: surface work i feel good with 07/12/06 20:20:26 BarryM: your biz could die before you get to that point 07/12/06 20:20:49 Work2Fish: when ypour talking roofs still wet behind the ears, some would say i havent turn the faucet yet 07/12/06 20:20:55 Don74: And you just cleaned some hospitals? I am impressed! 07/12/06 20:21:09 Work2Fish: yep 07/12/06 20:21:50 PWkid: Don is right but we stepped up and goter done 07/12/06 20:21:52 DonPhelps: I think Chris has a pretty good grasp on things, just needs more 'real world' experience. I let him tag along when I can. 07/12/06 20:21:53 Don74: Did you mail them letters, go talk to head of maint or what? 07/12/06 20:21:56 Work2Fish: don helped me out with representing my self and how to handle corp managment 07/12/06 20:22:08 BarryM: Don P, how small did you start out? 07/12/06 20:22:38 DavidV: wish you guys were close to Ohio 07/12/06 20:22:47 BarryM: I'm in IN 07/12/06 20:22:56 DonPhelps: lol....find a friendly cleaner in your area. 07/12/06 20:22:59 Work2Fish: GO buckeyes!!!!!!!!!! 07/12/06 20:23:08 BarryM: please 07/12/06 20:23:20 DavidV: how far from canton...pro football HOF 07/12/06 20:23:30 Don74: Its time to take a road trip to Florida! 07/12/06 20:23:33 DonPhelps: GO HOSERS! :D 07/12/06 20:23:43 Work2Fish: hosers...losers 07/12/06 20:23:45 DavidV: bucks rule 07/12/06 20:23:46 DonPhelps: C'mon down! 07/12/06 20:23:50 BarryM: you spelled that wrong smart ass 07/12/06 20:23:54 BarryM: lol 07/12/06 20:23:58 Don74: LOL 07/12/06 20:24:06 DonPhelps: lol...no I didn't! 07/12/06 20:24:15 DavidV: lol 07/12/06 20:24:17 BarryM: I'm about 2 hours from OH 07/12/06 20:24:27 DonPhelps: I used to live in Evansville, IN 07/12/06 20:24:29 BarryM: Do you know where FT Wayne IN is? 07/12/06 20:24:39 PWkid: Here we go you can tell football season is around the corner lol 07/12/06 20:24:40 DavidV: yes 07/12/06 20:24:55 Don74: Chris, how did you get your foot in the door with the hospitals? 07/12/06 20:24:58 BarryM: I'm 1 hour west of there 07/12/06 20:25:07 DavidV: ok 07/12/06 20:25:18 BarryM: 1.5 hours really 07/12/06 20:25:40 DavidV: im going to mapquest it 07/12/06 20:25:46 BarryM: how long have you been in biz David 07/12/06 20:25:54 BarryM: ok, I'm in Plymouth, IN 07/12/06 20:26:01 DavidV: since april 1st 07/12/06 20:26:05 alohapc Logs Out 07/12/06 20:26:08 BarryM: cool 07/12/06 20:26:15 DonPhelps: Chris? Chris? Oh well, he works for the hospitol. 07/12/06 20:26:18 BarryM: I bet the roof market is untapped there also 07/12/06 20:26:21 DavidV: real green 07/12/06 20:26:29 DavidV: yes nobody 07/12/06 20:26:52 BarryM: homeowners don't have a clue their roofs can be cleaned, right? 07/12/06 20:27:03 Don74: So Don, I know its off the roof topic, but what would be the best way of contacting a hospital about cleaning? 07/12/06 20:27:22 DonPhelps: That's the way it is in KY where my hometown is. 07/12/06 20:27:46 Login Failure for JJ1980 [206.48.230.195] 07/12/06 20:27:50 DavidV: yes when I tell people i'm to start offering 07/12/06 20:28:02 Work2Fish: I work for them as employee, the VP of my hospital let start detailing cars there, one of the facilty managers was geting a price hid wifes van and bs's with me about doing some cleaning. hungery for business i told him i could do it. 07/12/06 20:28:05 DavidV: they say u can do that 07/12/06 20:28:08 DonPhelps: You've got to find out who the contact person is. Usually a maintenance supervisor, etc. 07/12/06 20:28:14 Login Failure for JJ1980 [206.48.230.195] 07/12/06 20:28:38 Login Failure for JJ1980 [206.48.230.195] 07/12/06 20:28:46 Work2Fish: Enginerring dept is usally the quickest place to start 07/12/06 20:28:50 DavidV: ur 5 1/2 hrs from me barry 07/12/06 20:29:00 BarryM: Not bad. 07/12/06 20:29:17 BarryM: Don M is 4-5 hours from me the other way 07/12/06 20:29:23 DavidV: maybe some labor for learning 07/12/06 20:29:24 BarryM: we should all hook up sometime 07/12/06 20:29:30 BarryM: sure 07/12/06 20:29:40 DavidV: sounds great 07/12/06 20:29:51 BarryM: are you wanting to learn about roofs only? 07/12/06 20:29:59 Work2Fish: hospitals a kinda a pain thou 07/12/06 20:29:59 DonPhelps: Barry, you should host a R?T sometime....They're fun and everybody gets to put faces with names. 07/12/06 20:30:06 DonPhelps: r/t 07/12/06 20:30:14 DavidV: no 07/12/06 20:30:21 BarryM: I should 07/12/06 20:30:29 Don74: There you go Barry. A good public speaking event... 07/12/06 20:30:36 Don74: lol 07/12/06 20:30:37 BarryM: Steves was a blast, and I learned a lot 07/12/06 20:30:38 DavidV: i want to everything i can...to be like u guys...PROS 07/12/06 20:30:51 DonPhelps: Steve Rowlett? 07/12/06 20:30:56 BarryM: Don M and I have been talking on a weekly basis since 07/12/06 20:31:04 Work2Fish: power washers Grrrr 07/12/06 20:31:06 BarryM: yes the zz top guy 07/12/06 20:31:09 BarryM: lol 07/12/06 20:31:10 McMoo: Don thanks for the chat! Time to put the teeth in the jar by the bed. lol night all! 07/12/06 20:31:12 Don74: yes Steve R 07/12/06 20:31:22 DonPhelps: lol...I've been to a lot of his too. 07/12/06 20:31:27 Don74: See ya McMoo 07/12/06 20:31:39 Work2Fish: cya mcmoo 07/12/06 20:31:44 DonPhelps: lol...Thanks for stopping in Dan! 07/12/06 20:31:45 Don74: Well I got to go. Talk to you later 07/12/06 20:31:46 BarryM: So David, what services do you offer? 07/12/06 20:31:51 Don74 Logs Out 07/12/06 20:31:54 DavidV: anything for wife and daughter to do while working 07/12/06 20:31:55 BarryM: see ya Don 07/12/06 20:31:57 McMoo Logs Out 07/12/06 20:32:06 DavidV: fleet 07/12/06 20:32:13 DavidV: i type real slow 07/12/06 20:32:21 BarryM: don't know about fleets 07/12/06 20:32:35 BarryM: Jarrod up in Mich would be who to see on that one 07/12/06 20:32:36 DavidV: house decks driveways fences 07/12/06 20:32:50 DonPhelps: You guys wanna pack it in, or stay and chat for a while? I'm fine one way or the other. 07/12/06 20:32:53 DavidV: doing some cars to stay busy 07/12/06 20:32:54 BarryM: I do wood, houses, roof, concrete 07/12/06 20:33:05 Work2Fish: anyone think shopping carts are worht takleing, w/ an xjet and some love you bang a bunch out quich right? 07/12/06 20:33:08 BarryM: I'll stay 07/12/06 20:33:10 DavidV: thats what i want 07/12/06 20:33:17 DonPhelps: nope carts for me, thanks. 07/12/06 20:33:26 DonPhelps: lol, no carts! 07/12/06 20:33:40 BarryM: call me tomorrow David 574-941-2211 07/12/06 20:33:53 PWkid: I'm good I am 2/3 through a 12 pack i'm good lol 07/12/06 20:33:55 Work2Fish: wouldnt be spray , dwell, rinse , chan ching 07/12/06 20:34:02 DonPhelps: lol 07/12/06 20:34:12 DavidV: what time is good for you 07/12/06 20:34:31 BarryM: morning around 8 07/12/06 20:34:47 BarryM: its 9:30 here right now 07/12/06 20:35:02 Work2Fish: don have you ever done carts 07/12/06 20:35:02 BarryM: or evenings is fine 07/12/06 20:35:08 DavidV: ok...got break at full time job at 8 07/12/06 20:35:18 BarryM: cool 07/12/06 20:35:19 DavidV: evenings better for me 07/12/06 20:35:19 DonPhelps: me? 07/12/06 20:35:23 Work2Fish: yeah 07/12/06 20:35:33 DavidV: ill call at 8 07/12/06 20:35:43 DonPhelps: no...just not into it. 07/12/06 20:35:44 BarryM: k 07/12/06 20:35:50 Work2Fish: ok then 07/12/06 20:35:51 BarryM: gokarts? 07/12/06 20:35:55 nwingate Logs in [71.114.96.226] 07/12/06 20:35:57 Work2Fish: shopping 07/12/06 20:35:59 BarryM: joking 07/12/06 20:36:02 nwingate Logs Out 07/12/06 20:36:05 DonPhelps: Welcome Nathan! 07/12/06 20:36:16 DonPhelps: oops...he didn't stay long. 07/12/06 20:36:24 BarryM: just took a peek 07/12/06 20:36:33 DavidV: working on getting postal trucks and 6 to700 sbc trucks 07/12/06 20:36:50 BarryM: that would be sweet 07/12/06 20:37:07 mdspowerwashing Logs in [70.20.138.49] 07/12/06 20:37:07 DonPhelps queries IP of mdspowerwashing 07/12/06 20:37:08 BethnRod queries IP of mdspowerwashing 07/12/06 20:37:19 DonPhelps: Welcome MDS 07/12/06 20:37:26 BarryM: hi 07/12/06 20:37:29 DavidV: have to be able accept voyerger card for postal 07/12/06 20:37:42 BarryM: really 07/12/06 20:37:42 mdspowerwashing: thanks, glad I could be here, just got done working 07/12/06 20:37:57 Work2Fish: any body take credit cards 07/12/06 20:38:14 BarryM: no, I've looked into it 07/12/06 20:38:24 DonPhelps: just chatting now, but there is some good info from earlier in the evening too. 07/12/06 20:38:34 BarryM: haven't found a company I trust 07/12/06 20:38:34 PWkid: I take them but not too often , just another avenue for payment 07/12/06 20:38:35 DavidV: can approve contract locally with voyeger card 07/12/06 20:38:45 mdspowerwashing: I've taken credit card through paypal 07/12/06 20:38:49 Work2Fish: i got a wireless unit through suntrust bank i want to give a way, i never use it 07/12/06 20:39:29 Work2Fish: is suntrust a florida bank 07/12/06 20:39:36 BarryM: Don, have you ever turned down a roof because it was just too steep? 07/12/06 20:39:47 BethnRod: Can anyone use it? 07/12/06 20:40:20 DavidV: accept cc cards...process thru wifes business 07/12/06 20:40:21 DonPhelps: lots of them....no amount of money is worth dying over! lol 07/12/06 20:40:38 Work2Fish: if the tower of babel was dirty theyed call don phelps :p 07/12/06 20:40:39 BethnRod: meaning, can any cc clearing house? 07/12/06 20:40:48 Work2Fish: lol 07/12/06 20:41:03 Speck_Chaser Logs in [71.81.62.127] 07/12/06 20:41:12 BarryM: just seems like the homeowner would bad mouth you after shooting them down 07/12/06 20:41:16 DonPhelps: I've seen some guys that were so greedy that they would attempt anything. I have my limits too 07/12/06 20:41:31 BarryM: yea 07/12/06 20:42:18 Speck_Chaser: don, i posted a couple of pics on TGS of some roofs 07/12/06 20:42:21 DonPhelps: I don't think they ever have, but if they did, i don't care. They should respect my honesty and frankness about it rather than have someone get hurt on their property. 07/12/06 20:42:33 Speck_Chaser: i would appreciate it if all you guys would check 'em out 07/12/06 20:42:38 BarryM: true 07/12/06 20:43:00 DonPhelps: Thad, I'll check 'em out soon. 07/12/06 20:43:03 Speck_Chaser: no hurry 07/12/06 20:43:14 Speck_Chaser: i just want to see if i'm missing something 07/12/06 20:43:24 BarryM: why, what's wrong with em 07/12/06 20:43:31 Speck_Chaser: steep 07/12/06 20:43:35 Speck_Chaser: silly steep 07/12/06 20:43:48 Speck_Chaser: and *all* the new houses going up look like that 07/12/06 20:44:07 Speck_Chaser: there has to be a way to do 'em 07/12/06 20:44:09 DonPhelps: I posted pics from the red tile roof commercial job that I wish i hadn't. I walk roofs that some have no business on and I don't want it to send the wrong message to someone without experience. 07/12/06 20:44:34 Speck_Chaser: personally, i saw them and thought you were nuts 07/12/06 20:44:50 Speck_Chaser: i showed them to my wife, "look at this crazy guy!" 07/12/06 20:44:55 BarryM: You had fall equipment 07/12/06 20:45:01 DonPhelps: lol....yeah, I felt a certain silent backlash. 07/12/06 20:45:14 Speck_Chaser: lol 07/12/06 20:45:15 BarryM: I'm glad you posted them 07/12/06 20:45:44 DonPhelps: Yeah, but too many people either don't know how to use it or won't use it. 07/12/06 20:45:49 BarryM: just put a disclaimer with them next time, don't try this at home 07/12/06 20:46:10 procarepm Logs Out 07/12/06 20:46:16 DavidV: barry...anything for wife and daughter to do if we hook up for labor for learning 07/12/06 20:46:34 Speck_Chaser: i guess i'm just a sissy or a dreamer. I want to do steep houses without hanging like a monkey 07/12/06 20:46:36 DonPhelps: It's one of those things where I know it's not my fault if something happens to them, but I don't want them to just jump in because of a pic they saw of mine. 07/12/06 20:46:38 BarryM: as far as entertainment? 07/12/06 20:46:43 DavidV: it would be there vaca 07/12/06 20:46:55 Speck_Chaser: there's nothing to do in orlando :( 07/12/06 20:47:09 BarryM: I'd have to think about that one 07/12/06 20:47:14 DonPhelps: whatever! lol 07/12/06 20:47:18 BarryM: there's just a lot of corn here 07/12/06 20:47:24 Speck_Chaser: and cows 07/12/06 20:47:24 DavidV: lol 07/12/06 20:47:31 Work2Fish > BethnRod: work well with car detailing 07/12/06 20:47:35 BarryM: moo, wash me, moo 07/12/06 20:47:40 Speck_Chaser: lol 07/12/06 20:47:44 DonPhelps: thad, you know you can't keep up with Orlando and our 'real' water! 07/12/06 20:47:57 Speck_Chaser: my wife and kids have been hammering me to move every since we got back 07/12/06 20:48:02 Login Failure for JJ1980 [206.48.230.195] 07/12/06 20:48:06 DavidV: guess they'll be canning 07/12/06 20:48:08 JJ1980 Logs in [206.48.230.195] 07/12/06 20:48:09 Speck_Chaser: dude, your water is heinous 07/12/06 20:48:11 BarryM: She could shop 07/12/06 20:48:20 BarryM: spend your $ 07/12/06 20:48:23 DavidV: right 07/12/06 20:48:26 DonPhelps: Welcome JJ! 07/12/06 20:48:27 DavidV: yep 07/12/06 20:48:31 Speck_Chaser: it's worse than Louisiana water, and that's saying something 07/12/06 20:48:36 Speck_Chaser: howdy! 07/12/06 20:48:39 BarryM: how old is your daughter? 07/12/06 20:48:43 DavidV: 7 07/12/06 20:48:44 Work2Fish > BethnRod: i think you sould go through your bank 07/12/06 20:48:49 JJ1980: Thanks had some tbl getting here even sent u a pm 07/12/06 20:48:50 BarryM: so is mine 07/12/06 20:48:59 JJ1980: but I made it 07/12/06 20:48:59 DonPhelps: It's been contaiminated from all the pw runoff, lol 07/12/06 20:48:59 Speck_Chaser: she would hate it down there 07/12/06 20:49:04 PWkid: Hey guys thanks I gotta go.I have a commercial roof I am doing in the am. Don thanks for hosting and spreading your knowledge 07/12/06 20:49:15 DonPhelps: contaminated 07/12/06 20:49:19 DavidV: my boys r 21 and 23 07/12/06 20:49:21 Speck_Chaser: thanks for the good info, PW! 07/12/06 20:49:29 DonPhelps: Thanks for stopping in Mel! 07/12/06 20:49:33 Speck_Chaser: it's the phosphates, right? 07/12/06 20:49:33 DavidV: c-ya pw 07/12/06 20:49:37 BarryM: my boys are 14 and 13 07/12/06 20:49:40 PWkid Logs Out 07/12/06 20:49:52 BarryM: girl 7 dog 2 07/12/06 20:50:03 JJ1980: Do I guess I have missed alot every one seem to be leaving 07/12/06 20:50:16 Speck_Chaser: i've left and come back 07/12/06 20:50:25 Speck_Chaser: seems to be winding down 07/12/06 20:50:31 BarryM: me and the wife 34 and 33 07/12/06 20:50:33 DonPhelps: You're a little late, but there's some good text to read from earlier too. 07/12/06 20:50:39 Speck_Chaser: but there will be a transcript 07/12/06 20:50:51 JJ1980: ok , cool how do Iaccess them? 07/12/06 20:51:06 Speck_Chaser: you have to paypal don $20 07/12/06 20:51:10 Speck_Chaser: j.k 07/12/06 20:51:12 BarryM: Everything I learned about roofs David is from Mr. Phelps 07/12/06 20:51:12 DavidV: i'm 44 wife 42 07/12/06 20:51:24 BarryM: read his posts and research 07/12/06 20:51:26 DonPhelps: Beth will probably post it tomorrow. You can also scroll up and read. 07/12/06 20:51:33 Speck_Chaser: no, you can't 07/12/06 20:51:35 DavidV: have been 07/12/06 20:51:43 Speck_Chaser: it's blank from before you log in 07/12/06 20:52:06 DavidV: all i'm doing is reading... 07/12/06 20:52:06 JJ1980: haha funny, thanks don 07/12/06 20:52:07 Speck_Chaser: or is it just me? 07/12/06 20:52:12 DonPhelps: oops, you are correct Sir! 07/12/06 20:52:20 JJ1980: it is blank 07/12/06 20:52:52 BarryM: gotta go guys, Don M is on the phone later 07/12/06 20:52:57 BarryM: call me David 07/12/06 20:52:58 Speck_Chaser: later 07/12/06 20:53:00 DonPhelps: Been a while since I've done the 'chat room' thing, sorry for the bad info. I'm sure Beth will probably post it tomorrow. 07/12/06 20:53:04 BarryM: thanks Don 07/12/06 20:53:05 Speck_Chaser: but your name is Barry? 07/12/06 20:53:12 DonPhelps: Thanks Barry! 07/12/06 20:53:13 DavidV: sure will 07/12/06 20:53:14 JJ1980: so has their been a decision on the ultimate roof cleaning mix????? 07/12/06 20:53:18 BethnRod: Beth will post the transcript tomorrow 07/12/06 20:53:20 DavidV: thanks alot 07/12/06 20:53:23 BarryM Logs Out 07/12/06 20:53:29 Work2Fish: well guys i got to get out of here 07/12/06 20:53:43 DonPhelps: Thanks for stopping by, Chris! 07/12/06 20:53:43 Speck_Chaser: there is no one right decision 07/12/06 20:53:46 Work2Fish: don phelps ill call you tomarrow 07/12/06 20:53:51 DonPhelps: OK 07/12/06 20:53:54 DavidV: thanks tons guys 07/12/06 20:54:01 Speck_Chaser: bye! 07/12/06 20:54:05 Work2Fish: mmmm, filet migenon 07/12/06 20:54:08 DavidV: c-ya 07/12/06 20:54:19 JJ1980: yeah I know to each his own... though I would stir some laughter 07/12/06 20:54:25 DonPhelps: No decision, do what works for you and your customers. 07/12/06 20:54:43 Work2Fish: good night 07/12/06 20:54:50 BethnRod: g'nite 07/12/06 20:54:57 Work2Fish Logs Out 07/12/06 20:55:04 Speck_Chaser: me, too. bye again, all. 07/12/06 20:55:05 DavidV Logs Out 07/12/06 20:55:27 Speck_Chaser Logs Out 07/12/06 20:55:46 JJ1980: Well I guess I will just have to read the transcript, Thanks anyway Don. 07/12/06 20:55:58 DonPhelps: Time to walk the doggies....i want to thank everyone that joined us tonight. Maybe we can do it again sometime. Have a great night everyone! :) 07/12/06 20:56:12 DonPhelps Logs Out 07/12/06 20:56:12 mdspowerwashing: bye 07/12/06 20:56:29 JJ1980 Logs Out 07/12/06 20:56:30 BethnRod: good nite all. 07/12/06 20:56:37 mdspowerwashing: bye 07/12/06 20:56:40 BethnRod Logs Out 07/12/06 21:01:23 JohnOrr Logs in [70.161.236.7] 07/12/06 21:01:50 JohnOrr: Better late than never 07/12/06 21:02:20 JohnOrr: Sorry I missed it, hope it went well. 07/12/06 21:05:59 JohnOrr Logs Out 07/12/06 22:28:41 MikeWilliamson Logs in [65.5.207.233] 07/12/06 22:28:53 MikeWilliamson: Anyone still around? 07/12/06 22:37:13 mdspowerwashing Disconnects 07/12/06 23:04:21 alohapc Logs in [65.35.148.12] 07/12/06 23:04:49 alohapc Leaves Subroom 07/12/06 23:04:51 alohapc Joins Subroom Town Meeting 07/12/06 23:04:54 alohapc Leaves Subroom 07/12/06 23:04:58 MikeWilliamson Logs Out 07/12/06 23:05:06 alohapc Logs Out 07/12/06 23:22:36 Login Failure for Work2Fish [71.1.253.107] 07/12/06 23:22:40 Work2Fish Logs in [71.1.253.107] 07/12/06 23:22:56 Work2Fish Logs Out

Thanks guys... I love to write. This should be fun. ;) Beth

If you can't convert it, just restrict the document. Make it read only, with no changes allowed and password protect it. Works like a charm. Beth

Deck lead...contact me for details. Beth

I have not seen it. I have contact info if you are interested. Beth

Here is an updated version. http://www.epa.gov/ceppo/cameo/react.htm This is version 1.7 Rod!~

Thanks Mike. Rod!~

PTP has it's benefits as do the other woods. It holds a sealer better than the harder woods do but requires maintenance every couple of years. Ipe' requires a penetrating oil and to keep it looking good, annual cleaning and treatment are required. Cedar can be used for the rails (spindles and such) but not recommended for the top cap of the rail. It is very soft and can be damaged with an unskilled pressure washer operator. Also, under regular use, the wood fibers can be easily damaged making it hard for most sealers to hold onto the substrate (the part just below the surface) leading to failure and the need for annual maintence including sanding. Regarding supply of Ipe', I would contact deck builders and find out what they can get. If this does not pan out, then look into the web for sources that can ship into your area but again beware of any deck builder who is not familiar to working with Ipe'. It requires an end sealer on each cut in order to avoid moisture loss which can lead to warping and cupping. Any of these woods would be great on a deck but used in coordinance with their capabilities. I have worked on some very beautiful decks that have been a combination of all 3. The substructure was built with pressure treated pine, the rails and lattice enclosure below comprised of cedar while the rail caps and floor were completed with Ipe'. Here is an example: http://www.seedirtrun.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/439/cat/503 Browse around and see what you like and hopefully this will help you on your way to a decision. Rod!~