Beth n Rod

I agree. And having spent a couple years on the BOD, I can see a very real reason why the BOD members need to be consistent in their message in public. I don't care if we are discussing how to clean something that PWNA offers certification for, or if we are talking about bird eye views of the industry, when making public statements (these are public) it is better to have the BOD's message be consistent, since it is very hard to tell personal opinion from PWNA opinion, and really any differences should be in the board room - just my opinion. Beth p.s. inconsistency causes headaches for others....

This is what was on ***... Beth

For everyones consideration. organization 1. an organizing or being organized 2. the manner of being organized; organic structure 3. [rare] same as organism 4. any unified, consolidated group of elements; systematized whole; esp., a) a body of persons organized for some specific purpose, as a club, union, or society b) the administrative personnel or executive structure of a business c) all the functionaries, committees, etc. of a political party By definition we can all derive an understanding without the arbitrary issues and perhaps level the playing field for all to see, it is just an opportunity. Kennedy once said it in an inaugural speech "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country!" I think the whole mentality of an org has been skewed to the angle of individual benefit which is in contrast to what it is supposed to be. Many sit back and ask whats in it for me instead of saying what can I do to help! Continuing with this type of thinking, it is expectable that an org would not survive on its own. BTW...The requirement of licensure and insurance is a benefit to the org and bolsters the attitude of higher standards for membership in my opinion. I believe wholeheartedly that if we want any significant benefits to come from an org, it would be through the efforts of its membership who hold fundraising campaigns and drives to create the money necessary to acheive this. The power of the membership acting together to accomplish this in many regions of the states is very capable, especially during the slower winter months. Most orgs are comprised of individuals who have a cause and they spend a great deal of time and effort doing just what I have mentioned, holding fundraisers, talking to influential people in their areas, handing out informative literature to gain support and awareness and donating themselves to the cause. What is our cause? What can we do to make things happen for the org? Rod~

Thanks for the other pics, it helps give a better perspective of the sqft involved. The initial ones looked like single family homes and I missed the part about condos. Based upon your pricing given, you may be in the ballpark. Rod~

Matt, Thanks for th e photos. It is a big project, that's for sure.Would love to see photos of your work when you get this job. Are they going to try to get it done now, or wait till spring? Beth

Would love to see more of this job. Looks like a great job. Beth

No offense intended here in any way, but I am giving you feedback based upon your post and the pics you have submitted. Considering that they could have the siding replaced for less, I think that it is overbid. Looking at the pics, unless I am missing something, 26,000sqft is significantly more than what I can see in these pics. The estimate in size I am seeing just by eye is around 3500-4500sqft taking into respect all four sides. Height X Width = Sqft. Avg height per floor is 8-10ft. Lets just keep it simple and say 10ft/floor. 3 stories X 10ft/story=30ft 50ft long on one side X 30ft in height = 1500sqft 1500sqft X 2 (sides) = *3000sqft 25ft wide X 30ft Height = 750sqft 750sqft X 2 (sides) = *1500sqft 3000sqft + 1500sqft = 4500 Total sqft/unit 4500sqft X 3 (units) = 13,500sqft total of 3 units. Now this is of course a visual estimate but I dont think I am far off give it +-500sqft for any corners and chimney stacks. Your figures are not going to be relevant to our demographics so I will leave the price/sqft to you and your local market to consider. Continue with prices for materials to replace any clapboards, ladder changes, scaffolding/manlift(s) rentals, Labor (3-5 man crew), Stain product = 85-100 gallons avg. @ $20/gal = $1700-$2000, Plastics, tarps and tape, etc... I'll leave the rest for you to decide whats necessary. Rod~ ps, welcome to TGS !

Quick question...how much wood work have you done? I don't mean any offense. But a job of this magnitude... I have to ask. Beth

We have used Defy products at the request of the homeowner to maintain the warranty in effect for their log home. Personally, we were not very impressed with the product in both duration and maintenance applicability. It needs to be completely removed once the product has failed and then re-applied. It does well if the integrity of the original product is still intact. Stripping proved to be a trick in itself. We had to do a great deal of sanding afterwards to remove the blue stain from the logs (we usually only need to de-fur the logs after a strip.) on the side that needed to be stripped. We applied this product in temperatures of 70-80* and it did not want to penetrate very well which resulted in a bit of running and drips which needed to be spread about on uncoated areas. Based upon our experience with Defy on a scale of 1-5, 5 being the best, we'd give it a 3. For other stain brand options and feedback, conduct a search. There is plenty on this board to be found. Rod~

Lou, If you can get that $$$ go for it. IMHO you are not leaving money on the table. Beth

Degraffreed, Why has no one mentioned Wood Defender? Maybe not that many are using it yet. We have seen it, played with it, but decided not to use it. Beth

Post some pics...I would love to see the furniture. Pretty please???? Beth :groovy3:

http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/ There is some light reading on this site.... ;) Beth

This might help also... Beth

Lou, You should do this if at all possible. Beth

From the horse's mouth... http://www.trex.com/ie/Universal/product_info/workingwithtrex/careandcleaning.asp Beth

Super nice job! Looks great! Beth

Company Name: See Dirt Run! Inc. Contact Name: Rod or Beth Type of LFL service training you offer: Wood Restoration, house washing, etc. Years of Experience: since 1999 Require Insurance (Yes-No):Yes Phone # : 301-540-1243 Best time to contact: 8am - 6pm Days of the week available for LFL training: Mon-Fri City and State: Germantown, Maryland

If you have expereince working with Ipe, and work in 30338 in Atlanta Georgia, please post here or contact us. We have a job lead for an Ipe Porch and Deck. Needs stripping. Has two coats of messmers, tannin bleeding from tree growth surrounding deck. Owner requesting professional installation of Cabot's Aussie Oil. Please let us know if you are interested, again , ipe expereinced contractors only please. Beth

I believe a couple folks from this BBS bid the job. Beth

Fall arrest gear is your friend. Better to have it and use it. If I recall right, a while back ( 2 years maybe) there was a guy who was in a lift, and fell out. He lived but was seriously hurt. We're talking months of rehab. Even in a lift, you need to be harnessed in and safe. OK..off my soapbox. Beth

Would out Florida residents please check? Let us know you are ok. Beth

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This is from a subscription email I get... Beth

Hey Ev, On that $100 per hr, if you are sending 2 guys out, is that per person per hour? Beth