Beth n Rod

Looks like tying off to a chimney with fall arrest gear is an option too. This would eliminate the lift. Do you have a non-snow photo that shows the shingles? Beth

10/5/05 19:53:24 PressureProsInc Logs in [68.85.19.199] 10/5/05 19:53:49 PressureProsInc: I forgot how to get in here 10/5/05 19:54:23 PressureProsInc: hello? 10/5/05 19:54:48 PressureProsInc Logs Out 10/5/05 19:55:29 BarryM Logs in [24.11.248.38] 10/5/05 19:55:29 Russell_C Logs in [172.162.205.126] 10/5/05 19:55:43 Russell_C: Hello Barry 10/5/05 19:55:51 BarryM: Hey Russell 10/5/05 19:56:00 Russell_C: How are you this evening? 10/5/05 19:56:09 BarryM: good, and u 10/5/05 19:56:20 Russell_C: I am doing well, thank you. 10/5/05 19:56:43 Russell_C: Did you come with something on your mind tonight? 10/5/05 19:56:59 BarryM: nothing specific 10/5/05 19:57:02 PressureProsInc Logs in [68.85.19.199] 10/5/05 19:57:14 Russell_C: Welcome to Wood-Chat 10/5/05 19:57:26 PressureProsInc: This is going to be an in and out for me... how are you guys? 10/5/05 19:57:33 Russell_C: How was your week? 10/5/05 19:57:34 BarryM: good, thanks 10/5/05 19:57:41 Russell_C: Also well 10/5/05 19:57:43 PressureProsInc: mine was good 10/5/05 19:58:09 Russell_C: How is your weather holding? 10/5/05 19:58:16 PressureProsInc: I have ben blessed 10/5/05 19:58:24 PressureProsInc: warm and dry 10/5/05 19:58:25 BarryM: cooling off 10/5/05 19:58:26 Russell_C: We've started down the slipery slope 10/5/05 19:58:37 PressureProsInc: It's starting to change here too 10/5/05 19:58:45 Russell_C: Temps are slipping here 10/5/05 19:58:46 BarryM: highs in the 60s this weekend 10/5/05 19:59:09 Russell_C: I am going hiking 10/5/05 19:59:14 PressureProsInc: I have three decks open.. Russ I am going to have to order tint from you 10/5/05 19:59:20 PressureProsInc: where at Russell? 10/5/05 19:59:26 Russell_C: Not a problem 10/5/05 19:59:55 Russell_C: Southern MO 10/5/05 20:00:17 Russell_C: Would you like black and Red? 10/5/05 20:00:37 PressureProsInc: yes, thats what I need 10/5/05 20:00:58 Russell_C: Ok, if you don't mind, shoot me an e-mial as a reminder 10/5/05 20:01:30 Russell_C: Hey, how long before you've got to go? 10/5/05 20:01:35 PressureProsInc: I will Russell and thank you. Okay I better egt my butt off of here, Christine is already a little peved with me for taking over the shed and basement with gear 10/5/05 20:01:41 PressureProsInc: now lol 10/5/05 20:01:51 Russell_C: Oh, gotcha 10/5/05 20:01:56 BarryM: later 10/5/05 20:02:02 Russell_C: I wanted to talk with you about color 10/5/05 20:02:08 PressureProsInc: Take care Bary and tyou too Russ 10/5/05 20:02:13 PressureProsInc Logs Out 10/5/05 20:02:14 Russell_C: Have a good evening 10/5/05 20:02:30 Russell_C: Do you do much staining Barry? 10/5/05 20:02:54 BarryM: part time 10/5/05 20:03:17 Russell_C: ok, so you are familiar with wood restoration 10/5/05 20:03:21 BarryM: I've been pretty dead this summer 10/5/05 20:03:30 Russell_C: Why is that? 10/5/05 20:03:49 BarryM: first year and I didnt advertise too much 10/5/05 20:04:01 BarryM: I had a lot of work this spring 10/5/05 20:04:14 Russell_C: Do you ask your customers for refferals? 10/5/05 20:04:29 BarryM: remember i got some of the WT wet from u 10/5/05 20:04:32 LouBeach Logs in [68.50.59.38] 10/5/05 20:04:39 BarryM: back in May 10/5/05 20:04:51 BarryM: I'm in Plymouth, IN 10/5/05 20:04:56 LouBeach Leaves Subroom 10/5/05 20:05:00 Russell_C: Oh, ok 10/5/05 20:05:15 Russell_C: I think you would like the thinner product much better 10/5/05 20:05:23 Russell_C: Welcome Lou 10/5/05 20:05:27 LouBeach: Hello 10/5/05 20:05:32 BarryM: hi 10/5/05 20:05:49 LouBeach: Hey Russ,are u the wood tux guy? 10/5/05 20:05:54 BarryM: yea that wet stuff is tough to work with 10/5/05 20:06:00 Russell_C: Yes, I can help you 10/5/05 20:06:06 LouBeach: Ok 10/5/05 20:06:10 LouBeach: thought you were 10/5/05 20:06:12 BarryM: but I got the job done in and out of rain 10/5/05 20:06:18 Russell_C: Barry, that thick stuff is not in production 10/5/05 20:06:24 BarryM: o 10/5/05 20:06:33 Russell_C: The product is much thinner now 10/5/05 20:06:43 BarryM: I still have 5 gallons 10/5/05 20:06:50 Russell_C: Was there something that you needed help with Lou? 10/5/05 20:07:32 BarryM: so is it real thin like RS 10/5/05 20:07:45 Russell_C: Barry, if you are not going to use it, send it back! ESI has a 100% satisfaction guarentee. 10/5/05 20:08:08 BarryM: ok I just might do that 10/5/05 20:08:23 Russell_C: There were several contractors who exchanged the old thicker stuff for the thin version. 10/5/05 20:08:36 BarryM: do I pay the shipping again? 10/5/05 20:09:24 Russell_C: No, in fact if you call me direct and let me handle it I will just let you keep the 5 of the thick stuff and write you a credit for the new pail. 10/5/05 20:09:25 flimmy1 Logs in [141.151.174.192] 10/5/05 20:09:35 Russell_C: Welcome Flimmy 10/5/05 20:09:45 flimmy1: Thanks 10/5/05 20:09:46 BarryM: sweet, I give you a call 10/5/05 20:09:48 Russell_C > flimmy1: It's Scott right? 10/5/05 20:09:57 flimmy1 > Russell_C: yep 10/5/05 20:10:02 Russell_C: Call my cell at 636-288-8512 10/5/05 20:10:09 BarryM: k 10/5/05 20:10:19 Russell_C > flimmy1: Cool, didn't want to insult you 10/5/05 20:10:49 flimmy1 > Russell_C: no problem , as long as it's not something bad i'm ok with anything lol 10/5/05 20:11:04 Russell_C: If no one has any questions right now, I would like to talk about colors 10/5/05 20:11:12 BarryM: sounds good 10/5/05 20:11:47 Russell_C: How many of you offer more than one color? 10/5/05 20:12:10 BarryM: I do 10/5/05 20:12:19 Russell_C: Scott? 10/5/05 20:12:23 Russell_C: Lou? 10/5/05 20:12:56 flimmy1: I offer whatever the customer wants 10/5/05 20:13:00 BarryM: but I have to be honest 10/5/05 20:13:06 LouBeach: Hi, just listening right now 10/5/05 20:13:14 Russell_C: ok Lou 10/5/05 20:13:21 Russell_C: Go ahead Barry 10/5/05 20:13:33 BarryM: I'm still searching for a brand to use all the time 10/5/05 20:13:42 BarryM: i've used RS 10/5/05 20:13:47 BarryM: Wood def 10/5/05 20:13:56 BarryM: and your old wet stuff 10/5/05 20:14:06 Russell_C: Forget you ever saw that 10/5/05 20:14:17 BarryM: right 10/5/05 20:14:23 Russell_C: It will never exist again 10/5/05 20:14:33 BarryM: fresh slate 10/5/05 20:14:41 Russell_C: Right 10/5/05 20:15:12 Russell_C: Pretty much everyone who has tried the new batch love it. 10/5/05 20:15:27 Russell_C: But I am not trying to sell stain 10/5/05 20:15:34 BarryM: I understand 10/5/05 20:15:35 Russell_C: I would like to ask about colors 10/5/05 20:15:52 BarryM: k 10/5/05 20:16:30 Russell_C: We have been working with a two step process of applying a thin oil we call DPS then over coating with Wood-Tux WET 10/5/05 20:17:11 BarryM: I think I read a little about that in a post but didnt understand it 10/5/05 20:17:26 Russell_C: We have been playing with tinting the DPS to various colors and applying the Wood-Tux as Warm Honey Gold 10/5/05 20:17:41 Russell_C: My question is this. . . . 10/5/05 20:18:50 Russell_C: If you were asked to do a deck that was a special color, how would you feel about first applying the tinted oil (similar to a RS type product) then top coating with the Wood-Tux? 10/5/05 20:19:39 BarryM: I guess I would wonder why is it a two step process 10/5/05 20:19:48 Russell_C: Ok, great 10/5/05 20:19:50 BarryM: that cost me time 10/5/05 20:19:59 Russell_C: Yes it does 10/5/05 20:20:02 LouBeach Logs Out 10/5/05 20:20:03 Russell_C: Scott? 10/5/05 20:20:44 Russell_C: Do you have any feelings? 10/5/05 20:21:21 flimmy1: would in not doulbe the cost also ? 10/5/05 20:21:50 Russell_C: Not really 10/5/05 20:22:02 Russell_C: you would use less of the more expensive product 10/5/05 20:22:12 BarryM: which is? 10/5/05 20:22:14 flimmy1: ok 10/5/05 20:22:40 BarryM: the dps? 10/5/05 20:22:43 Russell_C: you would use the less expensive oil to stain the wood and then the higher quality to protect 10/5/05 20:22:57 Russell_C: Wood-Tux WET is expensive 10/5/05 20:23:16 Russell_C: DPS (or Wood-Tux dmc) is less expensive 10/5/05 20:24:24 Russell_C: It would take more time though 10/5/05 20:24:28 BarryM: but no matter what, your do the whole deck twice 10/5/05 20:24:36 BarryM: right 10/5/05 20:25:02 Russell_C: Here is the problem we get 10/5/05 20:25:31 Russell_C: Many of the contractors who use our product do not have tons of money to invest in inventory 10/5/05 20:25:44 Russell_C: they like to buy more or less what they need for the week 10/5/05 20:26:10 Russell_C: They would like to buy more to take advantage of shipping specials, but cash flow is tight 10/5/05 20:26:25 Russell_C: They want to offer their customers a choice of color 10/5/05 20:26:44 Russell_C: They can not afford to stock many different colors 10/5/05 20:27:05 BarryM: understandable 10/5/05 20:27:12 Russell_C: We are working on a system that will allow the average contractor to offer greater choice with less investment. 10/5/05 20:27:51 flimmy1: by oing the tinting them self ? 10/5/05 20:28:19 Russell_C: We have tints available now that allow for mixing most any color, but many contractors are a little afraid of field tinting. 10/5/05 20:28:56 Russell_C: We were thinking of ofering the less expensive Wood-Tux DMC in a line of pre mixed colors 10/5/05 20:29:29 BarryM: ok 10/5/05 20:30:16 Russell_C: Then you could stock a couple of the colors in the cheaper DMC and just stock the majority of your Wood-Tux WET in clear or Honey gold 10/5/05 20:30:16 BarryM: does the wt wet over top change the color at all? 10/5/05 20:30:23 flimmy1: that would be good. less chance of us screwing it up 10/5/05 20:30:34 Russell_C: Not with clear, but the Warm Honey gold does 10/5/05 20:30:54 BarryM: does the clear have uv protection 10/5/05 20:31:43 Russell_C: No, but you would get theat from the pigment in the less expensive DMC 10/5/05 20:32:16 BarryM: all right, now a few simple questions 10/5/05 20:32:21 flimmy1: how well does the clear hold up ? My wife wants somewwhat of a clear on our deck 10/5/05 20:32:24 BarryM: what does dmc stand for 10/5/05 20:32:47 Russell_C: Deep Moisturizing Conditioner 10/5/05 20:33:11 Russell_C: That is just a brand name 10/5/05 20:33:52 Russell_C: Clear will allow the deck to turn gray in as little as 6 months 10/5/05 20:34:06 flimmy1: ok thats out 10/5/05 20:34:29 Russell_C: Use the Warm Honey Gold and cut it 50% with water 10/5/05 20:34:40 BarryM: so what is the exact purpose of the dmc 10/5/05 20:34:49 Russell_C: It will be a lighter color and still have plenty of UV protection 10/5/05 20:35:21 Russell_C: DMC was designed to replenish old dry wood. It is similar to Ready seal 10/5/05 20:35:47 Russell_C: The main use was intended to be on very old cedar siding 10/5/05 20:35:58 BarryM: so it offers the water and uv protection 10/5/05 20:36:07 BarryM: for the wood 10/5/05 20:36:12 Russell_C: you coat it with the less expensive DMC then save on your more expensive Wood-Tux WET 10/5/05 20:36:38 Russell_C: Yes, but used alone DMC will only look good for about 1 year 10/5/05 20:36:56 Russell_C: it will protect longer, but it will loose its luster and begin to fade 10/5/05 20:37:31 BarryM: so could you use the wt-wet without the dmc 10/5/05 20:37:43 Russell_C: Absolutely! 10/5/05 20:37:50 flimmy1: so wood -tux alone on newer wood is ok. 10/5/05 20:38:00 Russell_C: Wood-Tux WET is possibly the highest quality wood stain on the market 10/5/05 20:38:23 flimmy1: you just want to use the dmc on older wood to replace some of the oil that is gone 10/5/05 20:38:30 Russell_C: Sure, Wood-Tux WET on anything is great protection 10/5/05 20:38:40 Russell_C: Exactly scott 10/5/05 20:39:00 Russell_C: or anytime you need a less expensive easy to apply stain 10/5/05 20:39:09 BarryM: so coverage of the wet is better? 10/5/05 20:39:25 flimmy1: how long should you wait on a brand new pt wood to apply the stain ? 10/5/05 20:39:30 Russell_C: Yes, coverage of WT WET is about 200 sq ft/gallon 10/5/05 20:39:42 flimmy1: is the dmc the same ? 10/5/05 20:39:45 Russell_C: Scott, that is a debateable question 10/5/05 20:39:51 flimmy1: lol 10/5/05 20:39:58 Russell_C: DMC gets less coverage on older wood 10/5/05 20:40:13 flimmy1: 100 ? 10/5/05 20:40:25 Russell_C: I say on new wood, wash it with efc-38 and then stain it 10/5/05 20:40:51 Russell_C: Scott, it can be really low if the wood is very dry 10/5/05 20:41:08 Russell_C: 75 to 100 on like old dry cedar 10/5/05 20:41:18 Russell_C: 200 on new pressure treated 10/5/05 20:41:28 BarryM: so the dmc is the only way to change the color 10/5/05 20:41:30 flimmy1: the reason i ask is because i have a new deck / maybe 2 -3 mo.'s old that I need to stain before too long 10/5/05 20:41:51 Russell_C: Scott, if you wash it first you should be fine 10/5/05 20:42:00 flimmy1: great 10/5/05 20:42:06 Russell_C: Barry, right now you can get a tint system 10/5/05 20:42:21 BarryM: for the dmc 10/5/05 20:42:26 Russell_C: and it comes in the most popular color, Warm Honey gold 10/5/05 20:42:41 Russell_C: WET and DMC 10/5/05 20:42:44 BarryM: k 10/5/05 20:43:13 flimmy1: and to make the wet lighter you could cut it 50% with water , correct ? 10/5/05 20:43:31 Russell_C: Yes, that is correct 10/5/05 20:43:40 flimmy1: that way you keep the uv protection ? 10/5/05 20:44:07 flimmy1: do you have any pic's of it cut ? 10/5/05 20:44:22 Russell_C: if you cut it 1:1 you still have double the pigment solids required to provide 2 years of UV protection 10/5/05 20:44:49 BarryM: what if you don't cut 10/5/05 20:44:52 Russell_C: There may be some from this last round table 10/5/05 20:44:54 flimmy1: maybe with side by side uncut 10/5/05 20:45:26 Russell_C: We did a demo there where we cut it with 60% water 10/5/05 20:45:32 Russell_C: but that was just showing off 10/5/05 20:45:53 flimmy1: :D 10/5/05 20:45:55 Russell_C: we used it on cedar, pine, teak and Ipe 10/5/05 20:46:27 BarryM: so does the dmc increase the coverage of the wet? 10/5/05 20:46:51 Russell_C: Yes, if you first treat with DMC the WET will not dive as deep 10/5/05 20:47:05 flimmy1: i need to call you and get a sample to make up a test board for my wife 10/5/05 20:47:26 BarryM: so in turn it cuts on the cost of the wt-wet 10/5/05 20:47:27 Russell_C: I can sell you a 5 gallon sample for just $139.00 10/5/05 20:47:36 Russell_C: Exactly Barry 10/5/05 20:47:56 Russell_C > flimmy1: Give me a call 10/5/05 20:48:24 flimmy1 > Russell_C: ok , it will be sometime tomorrow afternoon 10/5/05 20:48:34 Russell_C > flimmy1: Where are you? 10/5/05 20:48:49 flimmy1 > Russell_C: 1 hr south of Pittsburgh 10/5/05 20:48:59 flimmy1 > Russell_C: pa 10/5/05 20:48:59 BarryM: so if you get two years of protection before needing mantainace again, how is that different than other brands 10/5/05 20:49:17 Russell_C > flimmy1: what kind of deck? 10/5/05 20:49:23 flimmy1 > Russell_C: pt 10/5/05 20:49:35 Russell_C: Because if we say two you can count on it 10/5/05 20:49:54 BarryM: k 10/5/05 20:49:56 Russell_C: and that is after you've cut it with water! 10/5/05 20:50:12 BarryM: so how much is the dmc 10/5/05 20:50:40 flimmy1: so it may last longer depending on area and other weather conditions , correct ? 10/5/05 20:50:42 Russell_C: $89 for a single pail 10/5/05 20:51:06 Russell_C: Yes, it could last a good bit longer 10/5/05 20:51:46 BarryM: and can u reapply for mantainance or do you need to strip 10/5/05 20:52:04 Russell_C: Reapply 10/5/05 20:52:15 BarryM: after a light washing of course 10/5/05 20:52:15 Russell_C: I would say strip about ever 12 or so years 10/5/05 20:52:24 flimmy1: and how much product would be needed on a maint. ? 10/5/05 20:52:27 Russell_C: Right, always wash first 10/5/05 20:52:55 flimmy1: would you get more than the 200 ? 10/5/05 20:53:06 Russell_C: I don't have that exact figure but I am going to guess 1/3 less 10/5/05 20:53:09 Russell_C: Yes 10/5/05 20:53:16 BarryM: so back to your orginal question 10/5/05 20:53:30 Russell_C: ok 10/5/05 20:53:33 BarryM: i do think pre mixed colors would be better than tinting 10/5/05 20:53:48 Russell_C: but what if you had to do the whole job twice? 10/5/05 20:54:01 BarryM: well 10/5/05 20:54:06 Russell_C: Twice! 10/5/05 20:54:12 BarryM: RS calls for two coats 10/5/05 20:54:19 Russell_C: Hmmm 10/5/05 20:54:25 Russell_C: ok, that is a good point 10/5/05 20:54:36 BarryM: and i think wood def does too 10/5/05 20:54:43 BarryM: so I guess it doesn't matter 10/5/05 20:54:44 Russell_C: and this is a super easy applictaion 10/5/05 20:54:59 Russell_C: WT WET is only a one coat system 10/5/05 20:55:09 BarryM: right, by itself 10/5/05 20:55:14 Russell_C: Right 10/5/05 20:55:43 Russell_C: DMC by itself would not last near as long 10/5/05 20:56:10 Russell_C: it has a good amount of biocide and pigment and it is really high solids 10/5/05 20:56:24 Russell_C: but it is an open system like RS 10/5/05 20:56:26 BarryM: so how many color r u thinking 10/5/05 20:56:34 Russell_C: it will fade 10/5/05 20:56:35 flimmy1: then the dmc is realy only needed on older wood that is going to suck up more stain 10/5/05 20:56:38 Russell_C: How many do you need? 10/5/05 20:56:53 Russell_C: Yes Scott 10/5/05 20:57:10 Russell_C: Or any time you would like a less expensive product like on fences 10/5/05 20:57:19 BarryM: dont know i was just wondering 10/5/05 20:57:33 Russell_C: Barry, I hat offering color choice personally 10/5/05 20:57:45 Russell_C: If it were left to me all wood would be Warm Honey Gold 10/5/05 20:58:19 BarryM: I do like that color, the warm honey 10/5/05 20:58:29 flimmy1: so do i 10/5/05 20:58:35 BarryM: but you know how people are 10/5/05 20:58:44 BarryM: can u match my house 10/5/05 20:58:45 Russell_C: I would rather work harder selling one color than get used to using several different colors 10/5/05 20:58:52 Russell_C: all the extra rinsing 10/5/05 20:59:08 Russell_C: I don't even clean my brushes, I wrap them in plastic for tomorrow! 10/5/05 20:59:20 Russell_C: I don't want to have to change colors 10/5/05 20:59:53 BarryM: you couldn't do two tones without color 10/5/05 21:00:09 Russell_C: Two tones are for the insane 10/5/05 21:00:14 BarryM: they are a pita anyway 10/5/05 21:00:43 Russell_C: I live in St Louis, if there is a two tone, Reed will handle it! 10/5/05 21:00:59 BarryM: yea 10/5/05 21:01:05 BarryM: he's good 10/5/05 21:01:15 flimmy1: I will be going there next week :D 10/5/05 21:01:18 Russell_C: He is a very paitent man! 10/5/05 21:01:25 Russell_C: What for Scott? 10/5/05 21:02:27 Russell_C > flimmy1: Ewww, is it real yellow? 10/5/05 21:02:29 BarryM: so is all this stuff and prices on your web site? 10/5/05 21:02:37 flimmy1: I am going to witcita ks to pick up a truck and to kc for a jeep body friend 10/5/05 21:02:44 Russell_C: www.esproducts.net 10/5/05 21:02:57 BarryM: got it 10/5/05 21:03:11 Russell_C: Oh, my bad, I thought you might be working 10/5/05 21:03:22 Russell_C: I didn't know your season was over all ready Scott 10/5/05 21:03:57 flimmy1: it's not , I'm just slow and doing it to make some extra $$ 10/5/05 21:04:27 Russell_C: Ahhh, I though you were shutting down for 4 wheel and hunting season 10/5/05 21:04:58 flimmy1: I wish 10/5/05 21:05:46 BarryM: don't be offended Russell but I hope your customer service has improved a little since I last ordered from you. I had a little trouble getting a couple 5 gal pails last time, and to be honest I still havent recieved an invoice or reciept for my records. 10/5/05 21:06:08 Russell_C: Barry, we had a bit of a mess this spring 10/5/05 21:06:15 BarryM: I understand 10/5/05 21:06:24 Russell_C: We ran a bad batch of stain and it slipped past me 10/5/05 21:06:24 flimmy1 > Russell_C: no 10/5/05 21:06:34 Russell_C: that led to a total system melt down! 10/5/05 21:06:45 Russell_C: we were pertty swamped with the recall 10/5/05 21:06:46 BarryM: you sounded very bust everytime i called you 10/5/05 21:06:51 BarryM: busy 10/5/05 21:07:21 Russell_C: I had my hads full for a bit 10/5/05 21:07:25 Russell_C: like I siad 10/5/05 21:07:29 BarryM: except the one time you were having a beer 10/5/05 21:07:31 BarryM: lol 10/5/05 21:07:40 Russell_C: Give me a call and I will get you a free pail of the Tux 10/5/05 21:07:55 Russell_C: Call Susan and she can get you a copy of your invoice 10/5/05 21:07:55 BarryM: ok, thank you. 10/5/05 21:08:35 Russell_C: I must have taken off early that day! 10/5/05 21:09:08 BarryM: or just taking a break 10/5/05 21:09:24 Russell_C: I may have been kidding you about the beer too! 10/5/05 21:09:35 Russell_C: I like to pretend sometimes I am not doing anything 10/5/05 21:09:43 BarryM: right 10/5/05 21:09:57 Russell_C: My favorite is too tell people I cant look that up right now because I am out on the boat 10/5/05 21:10:19 BarryM: good one, I'll remember that 10/5/05 21:10:21 BarryM: lol 10/5/05 21:11:07 Russell_C: Honestly Barry, SunBrite has excellent customer service! 10/5/05 21:11:14 Russell_C: They carry all of our products 10/5/05 21:11:18 flimmy1: because you have all that free time right lol 10/5/05 21:11:35 Russell_C: If you ever need anything and can not get me for some reason, give Pete or Tracy a call 10/5/05 21:12:01 Russell_C: I hardly do anything really 10/5/05 21:12:25 Russell_C: Mostly just hang out on the deck or at the cabin 10/5/05 21:12:58 BarryM: thats funny you say that, they forgot to send out 100ft hose I bought once, after a week I called them and they forgot I guess 10/5/05 21:13:16 BarryM: probably just a one time freak thing 10/5/05 21:13:28 Russell_C: Barry, it sounds like you need to get more agressive with your vendors! 10/5/05 21:13:45 Russell_C: Don't let us push you around! 10/5/05 21:13:53 Russell_C: Deman excellence! 10/5/05 21:14:09 BarryM: well, I'm new and pretty small right now 10/5/05 21:14:25 BarryM: but soon I'll be all over the midwest 10/5/05 21:14:39 Russell_C: Now is when you need the most support! 10/5/05 21:14:48 BarryM: yea 10/5/05 21:14:54 BarryM: that's for sure 10/5/05 21:15:44 Russell_C: Tell me to hook you up with the Deck Of A Deal! 10/5/05 21:16:04 flimmy1: ? 10/5/05 21:16:05 Russell_C: I will send you 5 gallons of free soap and brightener with your pail of stain 10/5/05 21:16:21 BarryM: this is like a game show 10/5/05 21:16:26 BarryM: all right 10/5/05 21:16:28 Russell_C: It's the One Deck of a Deal! 10/5/05 21:16:51 Russell_C: 2 lb of HD-80, 2 lb of Citralic and a pail of Wood-Tux for $139.00 10/5/05 21:17:08 Russell_C: it is enough to do about 750 - 1000 square feet 10/5/05 21:17:23 Russell_C: It's on the web site 10/5/05 21:17:29 flimmy1: I may just have to stop in on my way out or home 10/5/05 21:17:34 Russell_C: Sun Brite os offering it too 10/5/05 21:17:44 BarryM: does the deal come with the free pail you promised me 10/5/05 21:17:44 Russell_C: I will put you to work! 10/5/05 21:17:50 BarryM: lol 10/5/05 21:17:53 Russell_C: I'll hook you up with Reed! 10/5/05 21:18:00 Russell_C: Yes 10/5/05 21:18:07 flimmy1: as long as it's a paying job lol 10/5/05 21:18:11 Russell_C: just remind me and I will throw in the soaps too 10/5/05 21:18:23 BarryM: I'll call you begin of next week 10/5/05 21:18:33 BarryM: thanks again 10/5/05 21:18:39 Russell_C: Yeah Scott, you come on the job and Reed will let you Pay for lunch 10/5/05 21:18:46 BarryM: lol 10/5/05 21:18:50 flimmy1: lol 10/5/05 21:18:51 Russell_C: Not at all Barry! 10/5/05 21:19:38 flimmy1: I guess we'll be having hot dogs at 7-11 10/5/05 21:19:44 flimmy1: lol 10/5/05 21:19:52 Russell_C: I don't think he is going to go for that! 10/5/05 21:20:01 Russell_C: Have you seen the work he does? 10/5/05 21:20:05 flimmy1: ok Wendy's 10/5/05 21:20:10 BarryM: he likes beer 10/5/05 21:20:27 BarryM: I've seen pics 10/5/05 21:20:35 flimmy1: yep , I'd love to work for him for a few days to learn 10/5/05 21:20:38 Russell_C: Fillet 10/5/05 21:20:48 BarryM: mostly RS stuff 10/5/05 21:21:04 Russell_C: Well, we shouldn't hold that against him! 10/5/05 21:21:08 BarryM: no 10/5/05 21:21:11 Russell_C: He still does good work 10/5/05 21:21:16 Russell_C: I am kidding 10/5/05 21:21:20 Russell_C: We kid 10/5/05 21:21:34 BarryM: I didn't care for the med brown I used 10/5/05 21:21:48 BarryM: it had a bland look to it after it dried 10/5/05 21:21:57 BarryM: not like the pics 10/5/05 21:22:08 Russell_C: I sold Ready Seal for a time, it was a popular product 10/5/05 21:22:28 Russell_C: Many people are very happy with it 10/5/05 21:22:32 BarryM: the customer was happy though 10/5/05 21:22:36 BarryM: yes 10/5/05 21:23:16 flimmy1: I have to go , i'll call you tomorrow . good night guys 10/5/05 21:23:24 Russell_C: Good night scott 10/5/05 21:23:26 BarryM: yea same here 10/5/05 21:23:30 flimmy1 Logs Out 10/5/05 21:23:32 Russell_C: Good Night Barry 10/5/05 21:23:37 BarryM: u too 10/5/05 21:23:44 BarryM Logs Out 10/5/05 21:23:46 Russell_C Logs Out 10/5/05 22:35:38 flimmy1 Logs in [141.151.174.192] 10/5/05 22:35:50 flimmy1 Logs Out 10/5/05 23:30:46 cpcc Logs in [24.129.92.166] 10/5/05 23:31:29 cpcc: Yeah buddy! 10/5/05 23:32:09 cpcc: I guess I'm a little late for the chat. 10/5/05 23:33:43 cpcc Leaves Subroom 10/5/05 23:34:11 cpcc Logs Out

Our fingers are crossed for you. GOOD LUCK!!!! Beth

Let's see if any of our roof washers will chime in here... Beth

Things like this can hit you pretty hard. We're so sorry for your loss. Beth

Just a reminder....:lgbounces There are still LOTS of attachements still missing from posts. Please check your photos as Alan outlined above, and help out the TGS community by reuploading/reattaching as needed. There were lots of wonderful examples of things, that are visually helpful to all. Thanks! Beth

Tony, It's not a carpenter bee. They make a near perfect 1/2 inch diameter hole. This is a beetle at work. Have seen this on logs. http://www.upcrc.com/guides/wdamage/oval1.htm Beth

Doug, WTW will not perform over any other product with the results for which it was designed. We in our exprience have not found any other product that works like WTW and compatability is an issue. If any other stain is present, it must be removed before applying WTW. If you are considering WT DMC (deep moisturizing conditioner) as a 2 step restoration method in combination with WTW on dry and aged wood, than you have a complete system. Rod~

You know what's really neat about the Wood Tux? Let's say you are on a job, and you didn't have enough product. You get there, and you are working and maybe you estimated a gallon shy of having enough. You have no mineral spirits with you, but there is running water. Let's further say this is a maintenance coat....simply add water to the Wood Tux and you can extend it. Cool stuff. Beth

Doug, If you are serious about getting into this business, you will need to consider that the products and chems being recommended to you are done so by the experienced contractors who know a good value. You may have to spend alot up front but you will reap the benefit in savings overall while using contractor based and referred chems. Buying small amounts to 'try' is more expensive and time consuming. As they say...if you are going to get wet - Jump in! On the other note, the Karcher units I.M.E. are a money pit. The fittings are unique to the brand and are not interchangeable with the commonly used ones that the pro's use. Plus they are over priced and most often you will only be able to get replacements from the manufacturer. The other units mentioned for your consideration are based upon performance, value and serviceability in addition to ease of maintenance and less expensive replacement parts and fittings with greater availability. You have a good number of people here giving their .02 worth, and you can feel confident they are trying to give you the best they can based upon what they use daily and have had the time to evaluate themselves. Welcome to the world of pw'ing and a community of great information here on TGS! Rod~

Mike, Thank you for remembering Steve. You should call him too! :) Beth

Mike hit it... Rod~

What is your machines gpm? This will be a determining factor to calculate your ratios. Rod~

With some of the humidity conditions we have around here, they sometimes come off easily, so I take advantage of it and just tape them to the containers or sprayers so that they are properly identified. We also keep an msds binder in the vehicles for reference. Rod~

The acids...Yes. Depressurized...and labeled as such. The HD-80 we keep in seperate tighly closed containers with the HD-80 labels on them with the word "solution" on it for conformity to dot standards. Beth

You might want to call them - most have toll free numbers. Vendors have very helpful info to share. You might find that more of them carry what you are looking for than you think. Try www.sunbritesupply.com and www.pressuretek.com I know for a fact both carry house wash chems, and I'll bet that www.southsideequipment.com does too. Beth

I would like to add that the citralic if allowed to freeze will have some precipitation of the acid in the form of crystals and once thawed will need to be stirred in order to regain its concentration. This showed up in one of my sprayers over the winter. It was still just as effective as the day I mixed it. Rod~

http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums/faq.php?faq=new_faq_item800 Hover over the links then click to get to the web sites. Beth

No. Check out the FAQ button up top. There are vendors listed in there who sell house wash products. Look them up. While you are at it talk to them about getting an x-jet M5. Beth

Jamie, To answer the other question, stripsol by eachochem will get the stain out of the concrete fast. Rod~

4000psi would add to your speed when using a surface cleaner provided the unit is rated to operate at that psi. For wand work, you will get tired pretty quickly @4000psi and 6+gpms. 3000psi and 8gpms puts a strain on my shoulders when doing wand work. Just relating my experience. Rod~

Here are some shots of a recent job. This poor cedar deck had Sikkens Cetol DEK unevenly applied to it by another contractor, and not regularly maintianed by the owner. This deck has heavy tree coverage over most of the deck. The Sikkens Cetol DEK was still very intact in much of the horizontals and the verticals. The deck was stripped with HD-80 at 6 oz. to the gallon. Dwell time was about 40 minutes on this heavy of a coating of DEK. The area of the corner of the floor needed a second pass with the HD-80, but it did take the product off. I'm attaching photos of before the strip, the clean dry deck, and the deck sealed up with Wood Tux. Beth

One additional note, Cedar seems to be the most suceptible to failure from Sikkens Cetol Dek applications. My Theory is that the wood is just to soft, porous and weak to be a viable surface for application of any thick film forming product. Every time a person walks across the floor, they are literally crushing the wood fibers and due to the properties of Sikkens Cetol Dek being a rigid finish, it is dynamically incapable of flexing under these circumstances and fails much sooner than the homeowner is willing to get maintenance performed. Wood Tux has performed well on cedar. Although I have not seen it peel or flake, I have seen it fade in the high traffic areas. A good regimen for WT on cedar is every 12-18 months depending on the frequency of use and exposure conditions. Rod~

Here's an interesting one for discussion. This is a photo of a rail system before washing. You can see there is a sealer, but on top of it are black dots - like splashes or drips. We washed it, and got it off, but does anyone want to take a stab at what it might be or how to remedy it before we disclose what we did to remove it? Beth

2 people have hit it so far. I think it is time to give the answer. The deck was washed and neutralized from the best of what I can tell, but there is many places where it looks as if someone took a sprayer with a caustic thinking it was a neutralizer and sprayed the areas effected. The result was spots of chemicals that were allowed to dry and once the sealer was applied, any water in the product reactivated the caustic and created the chemical burns below the sealer. We stripped the deck and the spots remained, but when I applied the neutralizer, the spots disappeared. It took a couple of applications to get them all to be alleviated but in the end, the acid worked. Russ and Mathew are the 2 who got it right with their guesses. Thank you to all who jumped in on this one because it makes for some interesting and valuable information to benefit others who may come across this situation. Rod~