Beth n Rod

I just got an invitation to bid via email. This is the REAL deal here folks... I didn't have to ask for it to be sent either. What a nice benefit! Beth

The worms crawl in...the worms crawl out....

Behr has had some serious issues in the past. http://www.branmac.com/classactions/behr.htm There are much better products out there. Beth

This should comfort those of us who fear these little buggers... http://www.natureofcreation.org/articles/spiders.htm Can anyone identify this one? I thought it was cool looking. Of coures, it was not crawling on me either... Not a very good photo tho...took it a couple years back. Yellow with purple as I recall. Very Halloween-esque... Beth

That's alot of area to cover, and it appears to be elevated as well. Personally, I would hire a pro for this size job if you have never done something like this before. It's a huge undertaking. Doing the outside of the rails alone will be a challenge. I hope those are removable screens. If they are your wash and sealing will be easier. By the way, nice deck and porches! Enjoy your home! :sunshine: Beth

You need to look at the MSDS sheets for the products, look at the active ingredients, and run them through this tool. Mixing chems can be highly dangerous. http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3825&highlight=chemical+reactivity Download the chemical reactivity worksheet. Be safe. Beth

Welcome to The Grime Scene. If you have any digital photos of your decks, you are welcome to post them. Properly cleaning and sealing 3 decks as a novice is a very large undertaking. If you are set on doing tis yourself, I would suggest you not use the Behr product, but consider instead one of the products that the Pro's here discuss. THere are a few that are very popular. If you are willing to consider hiring a pro, you might also want to place a thread in the Job Leads forum, located directly beneath this one. We have many members, worldwide at this point and you may find someone in your area. Welcome to the forums, we hope they help you. Beth

I personally think he is much better looking than the "Ken doll"! ;) But I might be biased. End of hijack! Beth

Henry, We used to use ABR products also, and I have to say the stench of the sealer was enough to make me want to not let Rod into the house. YUCK! We had a customer once who was thrilled we were there to seal the deck, but neglected to tell us they were having a party that evening. The husband was glad to get it finished in time, but the wife, well, she was not as she was the one with visions of an outdoor party ( a vision we wish she had shared!). Don't sweat not remembering exactly which is what. I just want to make sure the readers here are not misinformed. No big deal. We used to use the X-180 for brightening decks many, many, many moons ago. I think we have an empty pail now which is being used to store various things on a shelf. You have to love plastic containers as storage bins. Have a great day. Beth :groovy3:

09/14/05 19:27:58 Jeffrey_Robison Logs in [68.223.4.179] 09/14/05 19:29:05 Jeffrey_Robison Logs Out 09/14/05 19:37:15 Jeffrey_Robison Logs in [68.223.4.179] 09/14/05 19:37:43 Jeffrey_Robison: hello? 09/14/05 19:38:08 Jeffrey_Robison Logs Out 09/14/05 19:38:31 Russell_C Logs in [172.145.169.96] 09/14/05 19:39:59 Russell_C Logs Out 09/14/05 19:40:18 Russell_C Logs in [172.145.169.96] 09/14/05 19:53:21 Henry Logs in [69.244.67.38] 09/14/05 19:53:30 Henry: Hey Russell! 09/14/05 19:53:54 Henry: Well it figures... I missed the chat..LOL 09/14/05 19:54:19 Henry: Give me a call if you like at home. 301-353-9234 09/14/05 19:54:25 Henry Logs Out 09/14/05 19:58:14 Russell_C: Welcome to Wood-Chat 09/14/05 20:00:46 JonFife Logs in [72.47.12.222] 09/14/05 20:01:03 JonFife: test 09/14/05 20:01:34 JonFife: testing 09/14/05 20:01:40 Russell_C: Welcome Jon 09/14/05 20:02:20 JonFife Logs Out 09/14/05 20:03:53 scottk Logs in [68.217.211.188] 09/14/05 20:04:30 scottk Logs Out 09/14/05 20:04:49 JonFife Logs in [72.47.12.222] 09/14/05 20:04:55 Russell_C: Welcome back 09/14/05 20:05:28 JonFife: thanks.....where is every 09/14/05 20:05:45 Russell_C: Not so sure 09/14/05 20:05:56 BethnRod Logs in [4.185.126.14] 09/14/05 20:06:13 BethnRod: Evening all 09/14/05 20:06:43 JonFife: hello *evil* 09/14/05 20:06:55 JonFife: whoa 09/14/05 20:06:58 BethnRod: How's it going Jon? 09/14/05 20:07:06 BethnRod: Good seeing you. 09/14/05 20:07:16 JonFife: Never done this.....playing with all the buttons 09/14/05 20:07:24 JonFife: doing fine, thanks 09/14/05 20:07:30 BethnRod: THe controls can be fun 09/14/05 20:07:53 JonFife: you guys busy 09/14/05 20:08:00 BethnRod: Hey - loved the conversation in the thread. 09/14/05 20:08:06 Jeffrey_Robison Logs in [67.34.245.192] 09/14/05 20:08:16 BethnRod: yeah we are slammed - I'm home with a cold tho... 09/14/05 20:08:17 Russell_C: Welcome Jeff 09/14/05 20:08:19 JonFife: yep--good stuff. 09/14/05 20:08:33 Jeffrey_Robison: hello 09/14/05 20:08:37 JonFife: we sure are some passionate woodies, are we not?? :) 09/14/05 20:08:40 BethnRod: You busy Jon? 09/14/05 20:08:45 JonFife: Hey jeff 09/14/05 20:08:51 BethnRod: Hi Jeff 09/14/05 20:09:23 Russell_C: I think for this week we will just keep things loose 09/14/05 20:09:26 Jeffrey_Robison: I am an absolute novice when it comes to wood cleaning, restoration 09/14/05 20:09:30 JonFife: prett y busy...lots in the works (growth related moreso) 09/14/05 20:09:50 Russell_C: If any one would like to talk about presenting bid and how to win at the closing table fire away! 09/14/05 20:09:53 BethnRod: How are the log homes this year? 09/14/05 20:10:05 JonFife: Jeff---wierd biz, some love it, some hate it 09/14/05 20:10:16 Russell_C: Jeff - have you got any questions? 09/14/05 20:10:21 BethnRod: We love wood. We hate hoods. 09/14/05 20:10:35 JonFife: You guys do hoods?? 09/14/05 20:10:42 BethnRod: Did - past tense. 09/14/05 20:10:48 JonFife: ahhh 09/14/05 20:11:01 JonFife: spread too thin?? 09/14/05 20:11:09 BethnRod: I like to sleep at night, and I hate the smell of cooking grease 09/14/05 20:11:10 Jeffrey_Robison: I think I am more along the lines of hating it! Just curious, as I have had more interest lately with the Wood Tux wet... Being able to knock everything out in one day 09/14/05 20:11:32 tropicalwave Logs in [24.13.142.208] 09/14/05 20:11:52 JonFife: oh great, the cops showed up 09/14/05 20:12:03 BethnRod: lol 09/14/05 20:12:06 tropicalwave: nice jon, nice 09/14/05 20:12:10 Russell_C: What is your question? 09/14/05 20:12:22 Jeffrey_Robison: I am a part timer and the back and forth is not really appealing to me. 09/14/05 20:12:35 Russell_C: I understand that 09/14/05 20:12:40 BethnRod: Then you migh tlike the wtw. 09/14/05 20:12:52 JonFife: what size of decks in your market?? 09/14/05 20:13:12 JonFife: atl probably like Nashville, most two story 09/14/05 20:13:18 Jeffrey_Robison: If asked to just do a cleaning with a house wash, what is my best bet? A percarbonate and light rinse? 09/14/05 20:13:42 JonFife: safest and easiest, yes 09/14/05 20:13:46 Jeffrey_Robison: There are some absolutely huge huge decks here in Atl. 09/14/05 20:13:48 Russell_C: Jeff is it a wood sided house? 09/14/05 20:14:17 Russell_C: Atlanta is a great market for wood! 09/14/05 20:14:27 Jeffrey_Robison: Mostly vinyl or hardi plank type siding. Very little cedar. a lot of brick 09/14/05 20:14:28 JonFife: work at least 10 months 09/14/05 20:14:36 flimmy11 Logs in [141.151.166.6] 09/14/05 20:14:46 BethnRod: Hi Scott 09/14/05 20:14:52 Russell_C: Hello Scott 09/14/05 20:15:18 Jeffrey_Robison: Do you typically apply with a pump up or x-jet? 09/14/05 20:15:24 flimmy11: Hi , guys and gals. I missed last week :( 09/14/05 20:15:35 JonFife: Jeff--if don't want to spread too thin, might consider giving stain job away 09/14/05 20:15:39 DonPhelps Logs in [67.34.142.162] 09/14/05 20:15:45 JonFife: just wash decks 09/14/05 20:15:51 Jeffrey_Robison: ? 09/14/05 20:16:24 JonFife: sub out staining, 09/14/05 20:16:34 Russell_C: Welcome Don 09/14/05 20:16:38 JonFife: less equipment for a part timer 09/14/05 20:16:56 Jeffrey_Robison: I have thought of that. Sun Brite is 5 miles from my house and Cujo is in the area 09/14/05 20:17:01 JonFife: Hello Don 09/14/05 20:17:12 DonPhelps: Thank, no woody here, just trying to learn a few things.....lol! 09/14/05 20:17:13 JonFife: There ya go, call cujo 09/14/05 20:17:17 DonPhelps: thanks! 09/14/05 20:17:33 tropicalwave: jon, less equipment? a brush !! 09/14/05 20:17:44 JonFife: YOU brush decks??? 09/14/05 20:18:12 tropicalwave: kidding.....brush some spots though 09/14/05 20:18:13 JonFife: equivalent to Chinese water torture 09/14/05 20:18:39 Jeffrey_Robison: Don a quick roof cleaning question. I am doing a huge house this weekend, he only has two spots that have mold on the roof. Just x-jet 12% and let it dwell and rinse from ground? 09/14/05 20:20:06 Jeffrey_Robison: I don't want to interupt the wood professionals, pardon me for asking 09/14/05 20:20:12 DonPhelps: xjet will probably take more than one application and you'll need to watch out for blowing overspray on cars, etc. 09/14/05 20:20:28 Jeffrey_Robison: thanks 09/14/05 20:20:44 Russell_C: Jeff, feel free 09/14/05 20:20:59 JonFife: lapse was because none of us knew, LOL 09/14/05 20:21:20 Jeffrey_Robison: Can wood tux be used any most types of wood? Any that it is not advised on? 09/14/05 20:21:27 DonPhelps: lol, trust me...the wood thing is just as greek to me. 09/14/05 20:21:44 tropicalwave: russ, beth, rod....i saw your wtw western cedar color deck...since wtw comes in whg and it needs tinting, did you name the color yourself or is x amount of red drops per 5 gallon makes western cedar etc etc 09/14/05 20:21:45 JonFife: Russ, why 09/14/05 20:22:01 JonFife: Russ, why the tint system as opposed to colors?? 09/14/05 20:22:27 JonFife: Q too broad for this type of forum 09/14/05 20:22:41 Russell_C: Mostly because the colors are sort of a pain 09/14/05 20:22:53 JonFife: For esi or contractor? 09/14/05 20:23:08 Russell_C: Ha ha! 09/14/05 20:23:13 Russell_C: both! 09/14/05 20:23:29 JonFife: really?? 09/14/05 20:23:31 Russell_C: I prefer the one color system for sure! 09/14/05 20:23:40 Russell_C: most often WHG looks best 09/14/05 20:23:51 JonFife: I've use tint systems....... 09/14/05 20:23:55 Russell_C: Brown Sugar was made for lighter and older wood 09/14/05 20:24:03 Jeffrey_Robison: What is the base color, does it look good by itself? 09/14/05 20:24:08 JonFife: Menwood, Wood Iron, Renegade 09/14/05 20:24:10 Russell_C: I know they are nothing nice! 09/14/05 20:24:23 Russell_C: Warm honey gold looks great! 09/14/05 20:24:34 JonFife: I think some love tint system, some hate 09/14/05 20:24:36 Russell_C: Jon, I think we are a bit easier to mix 09/14/05 20:24:44 Russell_C: much much harder to mess up 09/14/05 20:24:59 Russell_C: There is only black and red 09/14/05 20:25:10 Russell_C: black is added by the ML 09/14/05 20:25:20 Russell_C: we provide a 3 ML dropper 09/14/05 20:25:30 Russell_C: Red is added by the OZ 09/14/05 20:25:33 JonFife: ........put in too much black........what of that 5'er? 09/14/05 20:25:44 JonFife: can y 09/14/05 20:25:48 tropicalwave: add another 5 09/14/05 20:25:53 Russell_C: put in 3 squirts and walk away! 09/14/05 20:26:06 JonFife: can you use the other colors to reverse it?? 09/14/05 20:26:10 Russell_C: 3 squirts and you've got brown sugar 09/14/05 20:26:21 Russell_C: it is a ratio system so yes 09/14/05 20:26:47 Russell_C: Here is our thinking. . . 09/14/05 20:26:50 JonFife: .....so you turn it to brown sugar, theoretically 09/14/05 20:27:01 Russell_C: jon yes 09/14/05 20:27:02 JonFife: could you turn it back to whg??? 09/14/05 20:27:11 Russell_C: nope 09/14/05 20:27:26 Russell_C: but you could add WHG to reduce the intensity of the black 09/14/05 20:27:34 Russell_C: Here is our thinking 09/14/05 20:27:48 Russell_C: If you sell a "color" you have to match that color 09/14/05 20:28:04 JonFife: .....good point 09/14/05 20:28:10 Russell_C: If you look at the wood and you know the look they want it is real easy to make them happy 09/14/05 20:28:34 Russell_C: If they say they like a red look and the have red cedar wood. . .do nothing 09/14/05 20:28:48 Russell_C: if they say they like a red look and they have lighter wood, add red. 09/14/05 20:28:52 Russell_C: don't over think it 09/14/05 20:29:21 Russell_C: if they like cedar and the wood is yellow or white add a squirt of black 09/14/05 20:29:42 Russell_C: you are just toneing it out to look the way you want 09/14/05 20:29:57 Russell_C: 80% of the time Warm Honey Gold is all you need 09/14/05 20:30:14 JonFife: s'pose the contractor could come up with his own standard customs 09/14/05 20:30:31 JonFife: yeah, that really is the perfect color imo 09/14/05 20:30:41 Russell_C: Do that and we will custom blend them for you per your order 09/14/05 20:30:55 Russell_C: And we can put your company label on them 09/14/05 20:31:28 JonFife: .....think we ran everyone off..... 09/14/05 20:31:32 Jeffrey_Robison > DonPhelps: What happened with Cleaner Network? You never post anymore 09/14/05 20:31:59 flimmy11: Would we have to suply the labels ? 09/14/05 20:32:11 Russell_C: No, just the design 09/14/05 20:32:27 JonFife: .....the good thing about a syst 09/14/05 20:32:27 tropicalwave: does esi have any wtw brochures, showing the different colors that can be made? 09/14/05 20:32:30 Russell_C: or you can just change the name and use our label 09/14/05 20:32:32 flimmy11: cool 09/14/05 20:32:42 Russell_C: No color chart 09/14/05 20:32:48 tropicalwave: ok 09/14/05 20:32:51 JonFife: good thing wou 09/14/05 20:32:54 Russell_C: you cane make an infinate number of colors 09/14/05 20:32:59 JonFife: dang 09/14/05 20:33:11 Russell_C: I can provide some basic measurements for some basic colors 09/14/05 20:33:18 JonFife: good think would be the ability to buy in drums, since all one color 09/14/05 20:33:31 Russell_C: and if you show me a color I can work out the tint ratio for you 09/14/05 20:34:02 Russell_C: Jon, we do drums 09/14/05 20:34:17 Russell_C: Saves you a little $$ too 09/14/05 20:34:35 Russell_C: We do not stock them so you have to order in advance 09/14/05 20:34:56 JonFife: Did you 09/14/05 20:35:14 JonFife: did you guys ever get the "cling" product created?? 09/14/05 20:35:31 tropicalwave: is there any literature that would be left with a potential customer, just a brochure that "sells" itself to the homeowner while they muddle over the estimate? 09/14/05 20:35:32 Russell_C: Hand time? 09/14/05 20:35:41 Russell_C: Yeah, it is hillarious 09/14/05 20:35:57 JonFife: ? 09/14/05 20:35:57 Russell_C: works great but it takes a bit of getting used to 09/14/05 20:36:02 JonFife: ? 09/14/05 20:36:10 Russell_C: performs as billed 09/14/05 20:36:13 JonFife: Turns to gel?? 09/14/05 20:36:16 BethnRod: Hnag time...thickener 09/14/05 20:36:22 BethnRod: I can't type tonight 09/14/05 20:36:28 Russell_C: but go a little too much and you have caustic jello 09/14/05 20:36:40 JonFife: ..Like Stripex 09/14/05 20:36:48 BethnRod: yeah you can buy a gallon, abd be set for years with the stuff. 09/14/05 20:37:54 JonFife: you guys 09/14/05 20:37:55 JonFife: o 09/14/05 20:37:57 Russell_C: Jon you can go as thick as you like 09/14/05 20:38:01 JonFife: you 09/14/05 20:38:05 JonFife: you 09/14/05 20:38:16 Russell_C: it only takes a couple oz per gallon 09/14/05 20:38:20 JonFife: you guys doing many h 09/14/05 20:38:26 JonFife: houses Beth? 09/14/05 20:39:48 BethnRod: Yes, we are doing a good number of them. 09/14/05 20:39:57 BethnRod: Log, cedar, and redwood. 09/14/05 20:40:53 JonFife: just got a bid yesterday in a resort, bout a hundred cabins (not doing all of them) 09/14/05 20:41:07 BethnRod: Way cool. Hope you get it! 09/14/05 20:41:09 Russell_C: Nice Jon! 09/14/05 20:41:16 Russell_C: What size? 09/14/05 20:41:23 JonFife: Right now just rot repairs, 09/14/05 20:41:40 BethnRod: Good to know you do those. Do you travel for them? 09/14/05 20:41:41 JonFife: most about 22x25 09/14/05 20:42:02 JonFife: yeah, not me personally 09/14/05 20:42:11 JonFife: very fun 09/14/05 20:42:18 BethnRod: how far? Sometime we get calls for that and need to refer it out 09/14/05 20:42:36 JonFife: Sure, send 'em on! 09/14/05 20:42:57 BethnRod: do you have travel limits? 09/14/05 20:43:31 JonFife: ...just lost a bid in upstate NY......so no, I don't 09/14/05 20:43:50 BethnRod: Good to know. I'll keep yopu in mind for that 09/14/05 20:44:24 flimmy11: Jon , do you travel to look at them first , or bid on just pic's or ? 09/14/05 20:44:41 JonFife: depends, have to see rot 09/14/05 20:44:59 JonFife: resto's i can bid pics, if average house 09/14/05 20:45:03 Jeffrey_Robison: Another off subject question since it seems slow. Anyone recover their water on commercial? If so what system would you recommend or not recommend. 09/14/05 20:47:45 BethnRod: Yeah, we have run into ta few we have passed on due to rot and extremem insect infestation issues. 09/14/05 20:48:07 BethnRod: ugh. sorry - can't type tonight 09/14/05 20:48:11 JonFife: definitely a growth industry 09/14/05 20:48:39 BethnRod: Jeff, recovery is a tricky subject. 09/14/05 20:48:53 BethnRod: what are you goign to wash? 09/14/05 20:49:23 JonFife: Great time!! I'll have to do again sometime, good night everybody, 09/14/05 20:49:28 JonFife Logs Out 09/14/05 20:49:49 Jeffrey_Robison: Concrete, buildings you name it. Going to the recovery class down here and trying to gather information. 09/14/05 20:50:28 BethnRod: That's a great place to start. 09/14/05 20:51:18 Jeffrey_Robison: The market is truly wide open for a few companies to come in and make a killing. I just wonder how much additional you can really charge? 09/14/05 20:53:16 Jeffrey_Robison: Good Night everyone. 09/14/05 20:53:20 Jeffrey_Robison Logs Out 09/14/05 20:53:27 DonPhelps: Later Jeff! 09/14/05 20:53:51 Russell_C: So anyone have any tips for presenting the bid? 09/14/05 20:55:21 BethnRod Logs Out 09/14/05 20:55:27 flimmy11 Logs Out 09/14/05 20:55:32 Russell_C: You've done the work, you've got all the numbers, you bid it high. How do you close the deal? 09/14/05 20:57:03 Russell_C: Ok, well thanks for joining! 09/14/05 20:57:18 Russell_C: I look forward to next weeks wood chat 09/14/05 20:58:09 tropicalwave: you tell me russ 09/14/05 20:58:46 tonyc Logs in [68.42.235.8] 09/14/05 20:58:49 Russell_C: Tell you what? 09/14/05 20:59:00 Russell_C: My secret for closing the deal? 09/14/05 20:59:06 tropicalwave: how to close the deal 09/14/05 20:59:10 tropicalwave: yup 09/14/05 20:59:32 Russell_C: Oh you would like that! 09/14/05 20:59:43 Russell_C: One thing I have found that works. . . 09/14/05 21:00:16 tropicalwave: lol, ive lost jobs being too high, and ive had folks tell me I ned to charge more, after ive completed the job of course 09/14/05 21:00:17 Russell_C: Take a board about 6" by 1 foot 09/14/05 21:00:18 tonyc: Howdy all 09/14/05 21:00:48 tropicalwave: k, got the board 09/14/05 21:00:52 Russell_C: Stain the rough side of it with Warm Honey gold and then wrote the SQ Foot and the bid along with your name and number on the back 09/14/05 21:01:02 Russell_C: leave it with your bid 09/14/05 21:01:26 Russell_C: they will loose the rest of the bids and carry yours around till they call you 09/14/05 21:01:53 tonyc: that's funny Russ 09/14/05 21:02:05 Russell_C: It works! 09/14/05 21:02:09 tropicalwave: just like a fence picket or something? 09/14/05 21:02:15 DonPhelps Logs Out 09/14/05 21:02:17 Russell_C: Right 09/14/05 21:02:25 Russell_C: Buy them at HD 09/14/05 21:02:34 Russell_C: cut them into 1 foot legnth 09/14/05 21:02:35 tonyc: a nice 5/4 cedar board would look sweet 09/14/05 21:02:42 Russell_C: Exactly 09/14/05 21:03:00 Russell_C: make it long enough for them to set down on the floor and step back from 09/14/05 21:03:20 tropicalwave: need to do all the prep on it....clean, ox, etc? 09/14/05 21:03:28 Russell_C: or place on the hand rail and set their coffee on 09/14/05 21:03:36 Russell_C: Well, you want it to look good! 09/14/05 21:03:46 Russell_C: if it is clean when you buy it just stain it 09/14/05 21:04:01 tropicalwave: yea, ive done it with some boards before.... 09/14/05 21:04:07 Russell_C: you want it to make them "feel" good about your bid 09/14/05 21:04:19 Russell_C: Black marker on the back 09/14/05 21:04:29 Russell_C: sq feet your name phone and bid 09/14/05 21:04:37 Russell_C: And bid it high 09/14/05 21:04:38 tonyc: wouldn't it be better to leave them a sample of the actual color you proposed? 09/14/05 21:05:03 Russell_C: If you only sell one color it is easy 09/14/05 21:05:21 Russell_C: if they see it and say, I like it more red, add a bit of red 09/14/05 21:07:35 tonyc: Russ....do you still have a recipe to match TWP cedar tone? 09/14/05 21:07:50 tropicalwave: what else you got? 09/14/05 21:08:37 Russell_C: yes 09/14/05 21:08:42 tonyc: the orangey color is my biggest seller 09/14/05 21:08:43 Russell_C: it is very easy 09/14/05 21:08:56 Russell_C: that is our base color 09/14/05 21:09:03 Russell_C: Warm Honey Gold 09/14/05 21:09:28 tonyc: plus a little red? 09/14/05 21:09:55 Russell_C: no 09/14/05 21:10:35 Russell_C: it look almost identical when you put it on wet cedar 09/14/05 21:11:06 tonyc: because of the natural red in the cedar? 09/14/05 21:11:26 Russell_C: yes 09/14/05 21:11:44 tonyc: what about pt? 09/14/05 21:12:04 tonyc: i need to cover the ugly green 09/14/05 21:12:34 tropicalwave: russ, you talk to a lot of contractors, right? Ive got a question about "what others do"? 09/14/05 21:12:47 Russell_C: hold one sec please 09/14/05 21:12:55 tonyc: hey mike! 09/14/05 21:13:06 tropicalwave: yo 09/14/05 21:14:24 tonyc: too bad this ain't an audio chat 09/14/05 21:14:35 Russell_C: ok sorry 09/14/05 21:14:43 Russell_C: had a customer call 09/14/05 21:15:07 Russell_C: To cover green you would use WHG with 3 squirts of black 09/14/05 21:15:17 Russell_C: Ok what is the question about others? 09/14/05 21:16:41 tropicalwave: do most that you know of, measure every sq inch of wood and converting to sq ft then a price, or just the floor, some xtra for steps and add more per sq because of rails etc.... 09/14/05 21:17:07 Russell_C: There are many many different ways 09/14/05 21:17:14 Russell_C: let me ask you something 09/14/05 21:17:24 Russell_C: do you use a price per square foot? 09/14/05 21:17:37 Russell_C: I can teach you a speed estimatin metod 09/14/05 21:17:47 tropicalwave: i do.... 09/14/05 21:17:52 Russell_C: only takes 3 min to learn 09/14/05 21:17:58 Russell_C: you interested? 09/14/05 21:18:07 tropicalwave: always 09/14/05 21:18:49 Russell_C: ok, for simplicity lets figure every deck is attached to the house on one side and has hand rails on the other three 09/14/05 21:18:59 tropicalwave: k 09/14/05 21:19:09 Russell_C: this deck is 10 foot by 10 foot 09/14/05 21:19:16 tropicalwave: with u so far 09/14/05 21:19:37 Russell_C: we know we have to clean the hand rail and the banboard that goes around the outside of the deck 09/14/05 21:20:22 Russell_C: so we measure out from the house 10 (+ 3 for the rail and 1 for the bad board) 14 09/14/05 21:20:48 Russell_C: now across the deck is 10 plus 3 for each rail (6) and 1 for each ban board (2) 09/14/05 21:20:55 tropicalwave: ummmm, ok 09/14/05 21:21:04 Russell_C: the deck area is now 14 by 18 09/14/05 21:21:11 Russell_C: so square footage is 09/14/05 21:21:30 Russell_C: 252 09/14/05 21:21:48 Russell_C: If you would unfold a hand rail it would be a solid wall 09/14/05 21:22:07 Russell_C: 2 inch spindles on a 4 inch center 09/14/05 21:22:23 Russell_C: It is not ultra pecise, but it is fast 09/14/05 21:22:38 Russell_C: ad 15% to be safe and you are in there 09/14/05 21:23:07 Russell_C: Use a measuring wheel (wheel of fortune) to give yourself the pro edege 09/14/05 21:23:29 Russell_C: bid it on the back of a board to give them something to "hold" on to 09/14/05 21:23:49 tropicalwave: im re-reading what you are saying, either im a moron or im tired 09/14/05 21:23:59 Russell_C: Ok 09/14/05 21:24:07 Russell_C: what is your question? 09/14/05 21:24:41 tropicalwave: the rail isnt 1 sq ft wide 09/14/05 21:25:20 tropicalwave: so where does 3 come from 09/14/05 21:25:29 Russell_C: it is 3 feet tall 09/14/05 21:25:38 Russell_C: or 4 09/14/05 21:26:04 Russell_C: you add how ever many feet the rail is from deck to rail 09/14/05 21:26:15 Russell_C: 3 was a bad number 09/14/05 21:26:23 Russell_C: 4 would be better 09/14/05 21:26:48 Russell_C: What is code for rail height there? 09/14/05 21:27:05 tropicalwave: so theres no messing with how many 4x4, spindles, risers, lattice? etc 09/14/05 21:27:17 tropicalwave: 4 i think 09/14/05 21:27:33 tonyc: 42" seems fairly standard 09/14/05 21:27:44 Russell_C: then use 4 feet 09/14/05 21:27:55 tropicalwave: depends where though, chicago proper is weird with the many porch-deck disasters lately 09/14/05 21:28:16 Russell_C: Well measure lattice by the Sq ft 09/14/05 21:28:31 Russell_C: posts are 2 foot by how ever tall they are 09/14/05 21:28:32 tropicalwave: i do, that was a bad example, my bad 09/14/05 21:29:01 Russell_C: by posts I mean the ones that support elevated decks 09/14/05 21:29:11 tonyc: *whip* 09/14/05 21:30:00 Russell_C: What whip? 09/14/05 21:30:07 tropicalwave: if a rail is 6" wide, just add a sq ft for every 2 feet of rail? 09/14/05 21:30:26 tropicalwave: my bad again.... 09/14/05 21:30:36 tonyc: *whip* 09/14/05 21:30:42 tropicalwave: trying to do too many things at the same time 09/14/05 21:30:44 Russell_C: nope if it is exactly 4 foot high add 5 to the width of the deck 09/14/05 21:31:11 Russell_C: if there is a rail on both sides of the deck add 10 09/14/05 21:31:25 tropicalwave: what does the height have to do with it? 09/14/05 21:31:35 tropicalwave: thats wher eim losing ya 09/14/05 21:31:37 Russell_C: Tell you what, call me tomorrow and I can explain it in a jiff! 09/14/05 21:31:49 tropicalwave: im sure you can...lol 09/14/05 21:31:56 Russell_C: Typing is sort of a pin some times 09/14/05 21:32:06 tropicalwave: itll be a lot easier that way 09/14/05 21:32:08 Russell_C: I won't even try to sell you soap! 09/14/05 21:32:28 tonyc: the measurements for rails are find and dandy, but it's an experienced gut instinct that tells me how to price it 09/14/05 21:32:37 tropicalwave: hey you said your sending me my free stuff for the faq anyway 09/14/05 21:32:55 Russell_C: Did you send me an e-mail with your address? 09/14/05 21:33:32 tropicalwave: nope....actually i did when you were tossing around the samples of the wtw a week or so ago 09/14/05 21:33:59 Russell_C: ok I will look it up and get your stuff on the way 09/14/05 21:34:09 tropicalwave: ill be working the regular job tomorrow, so im sure ill be bored and ill call you 09/14/05 21:34:19 Russell_C: I will be in all day 09/14/05 21:34:51 tropicalwave: do i need to find your tx in the threads or u wanna toss it out here, ill put it in my cell now 09/14/05 21:34:54 Russell_C: If anyone tells you I am out, tell them you know better 09/14/05 21:35:03 tropicalwave: lol, i will 09/14/05 21:35:10 tonyc: russ....used the booster the other day on behr acryilc latex....saved my butt 09/14/05 21:35:22 Russell_C: it is 1-866-536-7393 09/14/05 21:35:37 Russell_C: or my cell is 636-288-8512 09/14/05 21:35:44 tropicalwave: putting it in the nextel now...thx 09/14/05 21:35:46 Russell_C: Glad to hear it Tony! 09/14/05 21:35:55 Russell_C: tony do you ever take pictures? 09/14/05 21:36:05 tonyc: most of the time 09/14/05 21:36:16 Russell_C: Post them up on TGS 09/14/05 21:36:39 tonyc: I despise behr for making such a product 09/14/05 21:36:56 Russell_C: I used to feel the same about CWF UV 09/14/05 21:37:36 tonyc: we need a grassroots effort to vanquish the acrylic stuff 09/14/05 21:37:41 Russell_C: Well, I need to make something to eat and get to bed 09/14/05 21:37:54 Russell_C: Nah, I wouldn't sell any more boost! 09/14/05 21:38:15 Russell_C: Actually I would be with you 09/14/05 21:38:29 tonyc: something to think about 09/14/05 21:38:44 Russell_C: Could we picket them and everything? 09/14/05 21:38:48 tropicalwave: got the numbers programed...talk to u tomorrow...ill have note pad ready 09/14/05 21:38:58 Russell_C: Sounds great 09/14/05 21:39:06 Russell_C: thank you guys for coming tonight 09/14/05 21:39:11 tropicalwave: see ya tony, se ya russ 09/14/05 21:39:18 tonyc: gnite! 09/14/05 21:39:18 Russell_C: Bye all 09/14/05 21:39:24 tropicalwave Logs Out 09/14/05 21:39:30 Russell_C: Oh hey tony 09/14/05 21:39:35 Russell_C: guess what? 09/14/05 21:39:37 tonyc: what 09/14/05 21:39:40 Russell_C Logs Out 09/14/05 21:40:14 tonyc Logs Out

Cujo, The Myrmidons stand down. This is kinda funny though. Fear not the opinions of others as we all have one. My philosophy is to respect each as a unique opportunity to look into the person who possesses it and better understand them. I respect the reluctance though, loyalties can get a little overbearing and forget to relate they are one and the same but in relation a different drum. Yours is respected here as well. Peace Rod~

I think PWNA is stepping in the right direction. People have been saying for years that they wanted to see how it would effect their bottom line directly. Well, nothing in life is free, but the opportunity to be a preferred vendor, is outstanding. Sure you still have to bid and win, but you have to do that as a matter of business regardless. But that stamp...PWNA Member...well that means something here in a big way. There is also a teaser on the PWNA's BBS about another huge opportunity coming down the pike - to the tune of 20 Mil. This is not chump change. There was also an opportunity to work with Trex this summer for members. Keep up the great work guys. :dancing: Beth:cup:

X-180 was the neutralizer (oxylic based). EFC-38 is not an acid. They are nowhere near the same thing. Beth

Here are some shots of a deck we have been caring for, for 2 years now. There is a shot of the deck the year it was first done, a shot of the deck after 2 years before doing it, and a shot of the deck after the maintenance service. The sunlight int he photos is not the same, but I think you'll get the idea..... Beth :groovy: :groovy2: :groovy3: p.s. 2 yr maint. was a breeze, very little product needed, owners are THRILLED and have been thrilled for two years, because it lasted.

Personal favorite of mine... Wood Tux Warm Hoeny Gold. My suggestion, give it a try. Beth

This deck was washed two years ago, and sealed with Wood Tux, in the Western Cedar color. This was applied in a year that was VERY wet, 5 months of almost rain. Notice, it is NOT overgrown with mildew. Notice also, the amount of color still present. This deck was filthy. Has two years of foot and paw traffic, mud, pollen, etc. on it. Today we gave it a maintenance wash. ( photo on the left is before the wash - 2 years of muck, but you can see howmuch pigment is left from the finish two years ago) I'll put up a wet pic too so you can see how much pigment is left even after a wash at the two year mark. (photo on the right is after washing, wood still wet) The customer was home, she stood outside and watched the whole afternoon, and was thrilled silly about how well it had held up, and how great the wash looked. We also want to say to Paul who visited with us today, we were glad to have you along and to help you out, anytime. Beth

Paul, You are welcome... Good Luck! Rod~

This is very exciting news. I'll call HQ tomorrow to get my copy. This is exactly the kind of thing the PWNA nees in order to make a difference for the members. Beth

Call Bob.... 301-332-4919 He wants his rambler washed. Beth

I supposed you could do maintenance with a clear on it, but we don't do that. :whoops: We don't get too many SYP decks here either, most are PT lumber. When we began working on this deck 2 years ago, the owner said the builder was pretty proud of himself for not using PT lumber...hmmm....we have seen plenty of pine rails, where the builder painted them, and the wood rotted because of it, but that's a whole other story...it's odd to see pine rails and PT floor. I'm sure the builder saved money when they built it that way, but it sure cost the homeowner once it was rotting from being painted too wet. :lgbonk: Beth

Absolutely. Once we apply the maintenance coat that's what it will look like, maybe a little richer. Funny thing is, that conversation did happen. I was outside speaking to her the whole time the wash was happening. She's a neat lady, very enjoyable conversation. As for the clear, I don't want to apply a clear here. We prefer to replenish the pigment. If we were to apply the Western Cedar, we could cut that with some clear. If we apply the Warm Honey Gold, not necessary to do it. Personally, I always want to make sure there is some new pigment introduced during maintenance. Beth

Yes!Back to contractor mode[][][][]>>>> If you are wondering about applying a lighter color to it for instance with WHG there will be a different look to it, somewhat more orange than cedar. I will be going over it with WC again to refurbish the top coat. It will be just as rich as it is when wet. So far, I have been very pleased with the maintenance washes and recoats and as Russ has mentioned, the recoat goes farther per sqft but still acts like the original application. I just apply it lighter than a primary application and back pad it to ensure even distribution. Rod~

Me too...vote for scadoo~ Leave this one and move on, nightmare waiting to happen and I sense flags popping up on this particular homeowner. I also sense that this person has been sold by tv ads and/or little investigation on their part and feel that they are doing the best thing without the benefit of knowledge that they are only complicating things by not following the advice of a professional. There are plenty of others out there who will appreciate your knowledge and experience, they are the ones you want. They probably live next door to this one too! :) Rod~

Can you explain this a bit more? Inquiring minds.... Beth

ABR came out with a product years ago (cant find it anymore...thank god! the smell was so terrible that both our customers and the employees were not happy with it) but they still were trying to do the same thing, replace what was being lost after the tree was cut down. The bark is the protection, the oils are the moisturizers. Oil and water does not mix, but alkyds and water do. A moisturizer's part is to keep the wood from suffering an expedited loss of its natural moisture by taking the place of what it can no longer produce itself. The top coat is performing the function of the bark to keep the moisture in and the elements out. This all in all is what Russ has been trying to explain and I think in laymans terms its a bit more readily understandable by the average joe who hasn't yet learned all the the terminology. Ready Seal is in its own classification. It spreads itself out quite well and is very easy to apply without the worry of over lapping or excessive drips due to its penetrative abilities. Wood Tux Wet and DMC are a 2-step system of wood restoration products to help enhance the woods ability to withstand the elements. Many users of RS are pleased with its overall performance and the need for reapplication each year. It fills a need for the speed and ease of application...hence its slogan "goof proof". Wood Tux Wet requires attention to the application and assurance of eveness and proper back brushing or padding in order to acheive the best results for both look and duration. When you get all spiffeyed up to go out, you would usually take more time to get that look you want in order to appear dressed up...hence the slogan "dress up your wood". Now taking these 2 into perspective, price wise each is in its own level and can be used to fill the consumers budget needs. RS costs less and is easy to apply so therefore is capable of filling the requirement of a lower bid. WTW costs more and takes more effort to apply which gives a longer duration for the price which fills the need for those who dont want to have the service performed as often. Each has its market and depending on the type of service a contractor wishes to offer, each could fill a need specific to their clientele and/or demographics as needed. Adding the WT-DMC takes wood restoration to another level of service that can equal better dollar per ticket and overall results in addition to the prestige of being able to truly offer a restoration package that will actually enhance the wood while significantly slowing the aging process it goes through exposed to the elements 24/7. As another person mentioned in the thread, there is room for both products in their lineup and I think this is a good thing because overall, Many contractors offer more than one product in order to fit the needs of both the customer and the species of wood they are maintaining. I think we are all growing here and I hope it doesnt stop. This is cool. :cool: Rod~