Beth n Rod

If an org were to ever get started, one would hope that the same mistakes PWNA made, and is STILL making, could be avoided. I believe with good leadership and vision they could be. Sometimes what will work at a certain point in time can be outgrown and be due for a change or metamorphesis in order to get to the next level. To me, it appears time for this. I'll give you there are changes. I'll give you that hard work has been done. I feel very strongly about this industry. I feel very strongly about the good people in it, who have dreams and are trying to make them come true each and every day. I have a big propblem with oppressive people. I'm going to stop here. But before I do, I'm going to add that may hat is off to a few on the BOD, and John T. is a shining star. You care, and you listen. Keep doing it. Listen to the people. Beth p.s. This thread was started regarding a new org, not the PWNA. We're off topic...I think. Maybe we should all get back to our thoughts on a new org? John Orr brought up a great subject.

Hey Henry, Beth didnt make a negative comment, she just pointed out a better way. I was the one who shot staight and to the point, it was a question of ethics and whether or not any one see's it that way is purely up to them, they have to decide for themselves. My question was called an attack. I didnt say anything bad about the person, I just pointed out something that was a very questionable statement of advice to a member. As they are the industry leaders and setting standards, does this mean this type of advice is condonned as ethically acceptable? I guess so, I got kicked off and the other person was allowed to continue and not have to edit or respond to the inquiry of a member. All in all, this is not something we want to be associated with. Until the org establishes integrity throughout its structure and demonstrates respect to its membership, until then..., its a contradiction in terms of the ethics we hold to and set as an example. btw...Mom always taught me not to beat around the bush because the critter might get away on the other side. It has served me well. Rod~

Henry, We have been solid promoters for years and yes we have done things not just for the org but for the industry according to the standards of others who appreciate what we have done. When I was on the BOD I promoted heavily where volunteerism was concerned, since I believe that volunteers can make a difference. I have had a vision for years of what I thought would help. I still have that vision. I still believe in that vision. Many others also have vision, and their vision should be respected. Their vision is vital. No member or volunteer should be ignored, or made to feel unimportant or stupid. No person should be talked down to, or threatened by the org leaders. I have heard many people echo the sentiments of being scorned. Don is a forum leader as are others here, but on this BBS we do allow for people to share their opinions. This can be done in step with moderation, when it is correctly done. This is a pro-industry BBS. Beth

All of us are in business. Perhaps whay you are driving at is the differentiation between manufacturers/distributors/contractors. Beth

I concur with jon and celeste, linseed oil by itself is not intended for outdoor use. It darkens wood and moisturizes it, but unprotected by a varnish or one of the urathane's will lead to mildew proliferation. Linseed oil which is derived from flaxseed is a natural food for mildew. There are mildewcides available as additives but these are meant for paint for the most part. Save your money and buy a premanufactured preservative/oil that is designed for outdoor use. .02 Rod~

I have heard that K7's can be problematic, or have shorter life spans in general, my understanding is that it is due to the type of unloader it is. Beth :groovy3: :cup:

03/3/05 19:47:50 BethnRod Logs in [63.159.12.205] 03/3/05 19:49:21 BethnRod Joins Subroom Town Meeting 03/3/05 19:49:43 BethnRod: testing 03/3/05 20:01:46 Mike_IN Logs in [4.224.219.70] 03/3/05 20:03:33 BethnRod: hi mike 03/3/05 20:04:18 Mike_IN: hey beth, how are you? 03/3/05 20:05:04 BethnRod: doing good :) 03/3/05 20:05:08 BethnRod: How are you? 03/3/05 20:05:40 Mike_IN: im great :D 03/3/05 20:06:49 BethnRod: Scott stone is trying to login - having trouble. brb 03/3/05 20:08:20 BethnRod: oh well. 03/3/05 20:08:28 BethnRod: I'll have to fix that later on 03/3/05 20:08:45 BethnRod: How's you wife feeling? 03/3/05 20:09:15 Mike_IN: looking over my shoulder to make sure shes not behind me... mooody :) 03/3/05 20:09:28 BethnRod: I uunderstand that. 03/3/05 20:09:35 BethnRod: Just keep beinbg patient 03/3/05 20:09:42 Mike_IN: looks like bob gates is trying also 03/3/05 20:09:42 BethnRod: it's not easy on the body 03/3/05 20:09:48 BethnRod: cool 03/3/05 20:09:58 Mike_IN: yeah I try and compliment her every day to make her feel better 03/3/05 20:10:04 Mike_IN: i even did the dishes tonight :) 03/3/05 20:10:14 BethnRod: good for you~! :) 03/3/05 20:10:15 Mike_IN: so i try to help out when I can now 03/3/05 20:10:40 BethnRod: 1st trimester can be rough, and the last one can be rought. Middle is best 03/3/05 20:10:43 Mike_IN: 2 1/2 months down, 6 1/2 to go 03/3/05 20:11:06 Mike_IN: well more like 9 weeks I guess 03/3/05 20:11:07 BethnRod: Wow that's pretty far along. I thought you just found out? 03/3/05 20:11:12 Mike_IN: im rushing it a little :) 03/3/05 20:11:23 Mike_IN: she's around 9 weeks 03/3/05 20:11:28 BethnRod: Ah... 03/3/05 20:11:50 Mike_IN: we found out about 4 weeks into it 03/3/05 20:11:51 BethnRod: I remember eating lots of saltines then - calms the tummy 03/3/05 20:11:58 Mike_IN: but did not want to say until she went to the DR 03/3/05 20:12:22 Mike_IN: I'll have to tell her that, she complains about her stomach being upset 03/3/05 20:12:52 Mike_IN: she's dur in the beggining of october we belive, we will be sure next friday when we go to the OB 03/3/05 20:13:06 Mike_IN: dur = due 03/3/05 20:13:13 BethnRod: works like a charm. tell her to eat a couple before she is even out of bed, and to just nibble a couple here and there throughout the day 03/3/05 20:14:34 BethnRod: looks slow tonight 03/3/05 20:14:55 BethnRod: I wonder if folks thought if we were talking about an org if they would jump in lol :) 03/3/05 20:15:02 Mike_IN: yeah there are a few that come around 8:15ish 03/3/05 20:15:23 Mike_IN: looks like there might be a problem getting into chat for a few, sdont see how, I've never had a problem 03/3/05 20:15:36 BethnRod: Rod will be in when he is off the phone. He's talking to Jim Foley 03/3/05 20:16:07 Mike_IN: ok my wife corrected me, she is 8 weeks along, man I need to get a calander :) 03/3/05 20:16:58 Mike_IN: Yeah it looks like the new org chat has picked up in the threads 03/3/05 20:17:08 Mike_IN: sure caught the attention of everyone 03/3/05 20:17:14 BethnRod: yep 03/3/05 20:17:20 BethnRod: no surprises there 03/3/05 20:17:27 Mike_IN: it shows one positive thing though.. 03/3/05 20:17:32 BethnRod: what 03/3/05 20:17:33 Mike_IN: theres alot of passion out there 03/3/05 20:17:38 BethnRod: yes there is 03/3/05 20:17:48 scottk Logs in [68.217.204.213] 03/3/05 20:17:56 BethnRod: Hi Scott! 03/3/05 20:18:00 Mike_IN: hey big scott 03/3/05 20:18:00 scottk: evenin all 03/3/05 20:18:17 Mike_IN: alot of passion, it just needs to be put in the right direction 03/3/05 20:18:17 BethnRod: how's things in the warm south? 03/3/05 20:18:23 BethnRod: agreed. 03/3/05 20:18:36 scottk: cold....been in the upper 20's at night this week 03/3/05 20:18:42 BethnRod: if folks are all willing to help and contribute it could happen 03/3/05 20:18:52 BethnRod: it's cold here too. 03/3/05 20:19:39 BethnRod: Hey Mike you asked if we are going to have a party... 03/3/05 20:19:52 scottk: it's rained every other day also...we are supposed to have a nice weekend in the 70's 03/3/05 20:19:54 Mike_IN: I think they do beth, the problem is they have had borken promises and unanswered questions for years, it makes them a little apprehensive 03/3/05 20:20:05 Mike_IN: i sure did 03/3/05 20:20:14 Mike_IN: borken = broken 03/3/05 20:20:19 Mike_IN: fat fingers tonight 03/3/05 20:20:24 BethnRod: I agree. But I think with a simple plan, it could be done. 03/3/05 20:20:44 BethnRod: Might have a party here this summer. 03/3/05 20:20:45 Mike_IN: i'm sure it could 03/3/05 20:20:58 Mike_IN: that would be fun 03/3/05 20:21:26 BethnRod: We have been lining up deck jobs left and right. I can't wait for spring! 03/3/05 20:21:30 Mike_IN: 70's this weekend? Can I come down, we are having a nice balmy weekend in the high 30's 03/3/05 20:21:40 Mike_IN: it was 13 degrees last night scott 03/3/05 20:21:47 BethnRod: whoe is getting 70's? 03/3/05 20:21:48 scottk: lol 03/3/05 20:22:13 Mike_IN: nothing like walking outside and you nose freezes in about a minute. 03/3/05 20:22:22 scottk: Albany is 20 miles away they are having Mardi Gras this weekend 03/3/05 20:22:36 BethnRod: We might get to 50 one day next week in between snow showers. 03/3/05 20:22:42 Mike_IN: and I thought it was march, would someone tell mother nature it's march, not january 03/3/05 20:22:56 BethnRod: in like a lion out like alamb 03/3/05 20:23:26 BethnRod: Have been working on marketing this week. 03/3/05 20:23:30 scottk: yep...it's been windy and rainy here since last week 03/3/05 20:23:37 Mike_IN: but it gives me a chance to get things done around the house I dont have time for in the srping and summer 03/3/05 20:23:56 BethnRod: after October, you really won't have time! 03/3/05 20:24:18 BethnRod: scott - Mikes baby is due in october 03/3/05 20:24:34 scottk: congrats Mike 03/3/05 20:24:40 Mike_IN: thanks scott :D 03/3/05 20:24:42 Rod Logs in [63.159.12.205] 03/3/05 20:24:47 Mike_IN: hello rod 03/3/05 20:24:51 scottk: we have 5 between us...3 mine 2 hers 03/3/05 20:24:56 Rod: hey Mike 03/3/05 20:25:09 Mike_IN: this will be our first 03/3/05 20:25:10 Rod: hello all 03/3/05 20:25:10 BethnRod: cool. :) Kids are great. 03/3/05 20:25:15 Mike_IN: i got off to a late start 03/3/05 20:25:16 scottk: never a dull moment around here 03/3/05 20:25:27 BethnRod: Scott - ages? 03/3/05 20:25:30 Rod: brb...phone... 03/3/05 20:25:45 scottk: 18,14,9.7,5 03/3/05 20:25:55 scottk: 5yr old is the only boy 03/3/05 20:25:55 BethnRod: 14 and 10 here 03/3/05 20:26:02 BethnRod: wow! 03/3/05 20:26:07 BethnRod: only one boy. 03/3/05 20:26:11 BethnRod: Chicks rule! 03/3/05 20:26:17 Mike_IN: teenage girls, man I feel sorry for you 03/3/05 20:26:31 Mike_IN: got your baseball bat ready? 03/3/05 20:26:41 scottk: always 03/3/05 20:26:45 scottk: and a few hand guns 03/3/05 20:27:23 BethnRod: But aren't you like 6'5? 03/3/05 20:27:41 scottk: 6'0 03/3/05 20:27:42 Mike_IN: i dated a girl back in highschool, the first time I went to her house I was 16, he dad sat there sharpening a knife blade for over and hour, I never got out of line rest assured 03/3/05 20:27:54 BethnRod: lol 03/3/05 20:28:17 scottk: but 290 pounds ,tattoos and pierced ears works in my favor 03/3/05 20:28:28 BethnRod: lol 03/3/05 20:28:56 BethnRod: Rod is 6'2" but hes' smaller than you. No tatoos no piercing. 03/3/05 20:29:22 Mike_IN: 6'1" here 03/3/05 20:29:26 scottk: lol...i was about 200 lbs when angela and i married 3 yrs ago 03/3/05 20:30:10 BethnRod: Rod is about 215? He was 180 when I met him 03/3/05 20:30:11 scottk: i had neck surgery in 2002 and let my self gain a bunch of weight 03/3/05 20:30:15 Mike_IN: beth i'll have to post a photo of my wife and I 03/3/05 20:30:42 BethnRod: Would love to see one mike. Scott, you too. Post a pic of you and Angela. 03/3/05 20:31:05 Mike_IN: scott I thought it was because sonny's bbq expanded the all you can eat menu :) that would be my problem 03/3/05 20:31:16 scottk: i'm being forced back on the diet....she sasy she married one guy not the 2 i am now 03/3/05 20:31:24 scottk: oops says 03/3/05 20:31:46 BethnRod: Looks like Kendra is posting tonight.... 03/3/05 20:31:55 Mike_IN: you need to send me up a few bottles of sauce ;) 03/3/05 20:32:06 scottk: i promise the small "hole in the wall" bbq places are way better than sonny's 03/3/05 20:32:20 Mike_IN: been a while since she has huh? 03/3/05 20:32:33 scottk: that gal has vast knowledge on reclaim issues 03/3/05 20:32:35 BethnRod: yep. Kendra goes waaaaay back in this industry. 03/3/05 20:32:38 Mike_IN: scott, compeared to what we have up here, sonny's is heaven 03/3/05 20:32:49 Mike_IN: they dont know how to cook bbq north of the mason dixon 03/3/05 20:32:55 BethnRod: She and pwna have a history. 03/3/05 20:33:02 scottk: yeah....yankees don't know how to grill meat 03/3/05 20:33:13 BethnRod: There is like one good BBQ place near us. One. 03/3/05 20:33:21 Mike_IN: yeah I heard they stepped on those toes also 03/3/05 20:33:26 BethnRod: It is a hole in the wall, and always busy. 03/3/05 20:33:48 BethnRod: Yes, they did 03/3/05 20:33:51 Mike_IN: they dont know what sweet ice tea is either, man I need to move. 03/3/05 20:34:11 BethnRod: I don't do ssweet tea. I love tea, but I love lemon in it. 03/3/05 20:34:30 Mike_IN: ewwwwww *) 03/3/05 20:34:45 scottk: have you made any from the recipe i gave you in the chat a few weeks ago 03/3/05 20:35:07 Mike_IN: refresh my memory 03/3/05 20:35:30 scottk: i'll pm you the recipe 03/3/05 20:35:54 Mike_IN: its to bad that alot of people out there with such a vast knowledge in the industry have been taken advantage of in a way and shoved aside. 03/3/05 20:36:04 scottk: sweet tea is the bomb...only diet mt dew is better than sweet tea 03/3/05 20:36:45 scottk: Mike if you notice women are the main targets 03/3/05 20:37:00 BethnRod: Believe me, I noticed! 03/3/05 20:37:27 BethnRod: Hey scott - shoot me that recipe please :) 03/3/05 20:37:35 scottk: will do Beth 03/3/05 20:38:26 scottk: some men are just insecure when a woman steps into a mainly mans world 03/3/05 20:38:38 BethnRod: Well, it is a shame. There have been some very helpful folks associated with pwna in the past both men and women. 03/3/05 20:38:56 Mike_IN: brb 03/3/05 20:39:20 scottk: yeah they have really hurt the the Org and potential growth with theri actions as of late 03/3/05 20:39:28 scottk: their 03/3/05 20:41:14 BethnRod: What do you find you do most in the winter time for work? 03/3/05 20:42:00 scottk: we don't have the harsh cold ya'll do so we will clean as long as the temp is above 30 degrees 03/3/05 20:42:56 BarryM Logs in [207.43.155.230] 03/3/05 20:43:03 BethnRod: Hi Barry 03/3/05 20:43:08 scottk: commercial window washing keep steady money coming in and our fastfood place do as well 03/3/05 20:43:13 BarryM: hello 03/3/05 20:43:18 scottk: hi Barry 03/3/05 20:43:57 Rod: hey, Im back, just on the phone with jim f. 03/3/05 20:44:35 scottk: is that jim"bleach"f ? 03/3/05 20:44:44 BethnRod: How are things in your neck of the woods Barry? 03/3/05 20:44:48 Mike_IN: sorry im back 03/3/05 20:44:53 Mike_IN: had a visitor 03/3/05 20:44:55 BarryM: still cold 03/3/05 20:45:02 BethnRod: yes...he's chatting with our Bleach Boy 03/3/05 20:45:02 Mike_IN: hey neighbor 03/3/05 20:45:13 BarryM: hey mike 03/3/05 20:45:33 Mike_IN: how are ya barry? 03/3/05 20:45:56 BarryM: ready for spring 03/3/05 20:46:02 Mike_IN: amen man 03/3/05 20:46:05 Jeffrey_Robison Logs in [68.209.12.211] 03/3/05 20:46:10 BethnRod: Hi Jeff 03/3/05 20:46:14 Mike_IN: tell mother nature to have mercy on us 03/3/05 20:46:22 Mike_IN: hey jeff 03/3/05 20:46:30 Jeffrey_Robison: sup[ 03/3/05 20:46:35 BethnRod: I've had enough snow. 03/3/05 20:46:36 scottk: sup Jeff 03/3/05 20:46:49 Jeffrey_Robison: just another DAY IN paradise 03/3/05 20:47:02 scottk: did you call Denise aboutteh reclaim unit? 03/3/05 20:47:23 scottk: about the 03/3/05 20:47:25 Jeffrey_Robison: Yes, Alkota was going to get back with me but they never did. I am getting the unit 03/3/05 20:47:48 Jeffrey_Robison: Denise did not have the information and was heading out of the office 03/3/05 20:47:51 scottk: cool...i found out a little on it 03/3/05 20:48:03 Jeffrey_Robison: I found absolutely nothing 03/3/05 20:48:06 BarryM: Got my business line today mike $35/month 03/3/05 20:48:16 Jeffrey_Robison: Kind of going on blind faith I gues 03/3/05 20:48:19 Mike_IN: aesome barry! 03/3/05 20:48:22 scottk: i think it's rated for 6gpm 03/3/05 20:48:22 Mike_IN: awesome 03/3/05 20:48:26 Mike_IN: awesome 03/3/05 20:48:45 Mike_IN: darn keyboard, i mean fat fingers, i mean.. oh forget it 03/3/05 20:48:47 Jeffrey_Robison: I don't think it would actually be picking up nearly that amount 03/3/05 20:49:17 Mike_IN: is that 35 becuase of voicemail? 03/3/05 20:49:20 scottk: if you come down here to get it we can try it out at my house and see what it will do beofre you buy 03/3/05 20:49:26 Jeffrey_Robison: I passed on the big rig. Too much investment with no certain returns 03/3/05 20:49:43 BarryM: yes and caller ID and call wainting 03/3/05 20:49:49 BarryM: waiting 03/3/05 20:49:53 scottk: i understand that 03/3/05 20:50:04 scottk: 12k is a lot of cash 03/3/05 20:50:17 Jeffrey_Robison: I think we are going to meet in Macon if we can find a good place to try it out. Maybe your house would be better. 03/3/05 20:50:57 Jeffrey_Robison: I would rather the business need it, versus, I have it now let me find the business 03/3/05 20:51:01 BarryM: I need to e-mail you my number or just call ya I got yours 03/3/05 20:51:29 Jeffrey_Robison: anyone reclaim here? 03/3/05 20:51:41 scottk: little farther for you to drive but at least you have the peace of mind of seeing it run with a 5+gpm machine 03/3/05 20:51:52 Jeffrey_Robison: very true Scott 03/3/05 20:52:11 Mike_IN: sure barry, drop me an email for sure 03/3/05 20:52:29 Jeffrey_Robison: Busy Saturday? I had a job reschedule to Sunday from Saturday 03/3/05 20:52:35 scottk: if you meet somewhere someone will need a generator to make the vac work 03/3/05 20:53:02 scottk: we might go to Mardi Gras in Albany but no cleaning lined up 03/3/05 20:53:27 Rod: Ok, Im off the phone 03/3/05 20:53:32 Rod: wassup!!!! 03/3/05 20:53:35 Mike_IN: barry did you purchase a unit yet, or still shopping? 03/3/05 20:53:40 Jeffrey_Robison: He would have to supply the generator, those are expensive 03/3/05 20:53:45 Mike_IN: hey rod :) 03/3/05 20:53:50 BarryM: still shopping 03/3/05 20:54:01 scottk: I don't think he has one.....at least i didn't see one on his shop 03/3/05 20:54:03 Rod: hey Mike 03/3/05 20:54:13 Jeffrey_Robison: I thought just a couple hundred, but the good ones are like 1,000 03/3/05 20:54:16 Mike_IN: thats coll, you still got time to look 03/3/05 20:54:20 Mike_IN: cool 03/3/05 20:54:46 Jeffrey_Robison: regular 110v would run the thing right? 03/3/05 20:54:52 scottk: yep 03/3/05 20:55:06 Rod: Quick ? Is anyone interested in the tennis ball trigger thingy if we were to put it on TGS store? 03/3/05 20:55:22 scottk: we love tennis ball thingy 03/3/05 20:55:28 scottk: we have about 6 of them 03/3/05 20:55:54 BarryM: do you have any jobs lined up yet mike? 03/3/05 20:56:08 Mike_IN: is that a technical term rod ? 03/3/05 20:56:28 Rod: as technical as I get this late :lol: 03/3/05 20:56:29 BethnRod: thingy is very technical 03/3/05 20:56:30 scottk: it needs to be listed as that in the store Rod 03/3/05 20:56:41 Rod: lol ok!! 03/3/05 20:56:48 Mike_IN: just a few small ones, the calls come in as the weather warms up, not to mention the gutters are not full :) 03/3/05 20:56:53 BethnRod: it's almost as technical as a whatchamacallit or thingamajig 03/3/05 20:56:58 scottk: late?????man bed time is 1 am every night for me 03/3/05 20:57:08 Rod: nite owl huh? 03/3/05 20:57:27 scottk: yeah 8 yrs of rotating shifts screwed up my inner clock 03/3/05 20:57:40 scottk: up at 6 am bed at 1 am 03/3/05 20:57:52 Rod: gotcha, used to live and work in vegas, know the feeling... 03/3/05 20:58:34 scottk: jeff when do you think you're gonna pick up the reclaim stuff 03/3/05 20:58:54 Jeffrey_Robison: I am talking with him on the phone right now. 03/3/05 20:59:07 BarryM: I'm trying to figure out the cheapest way to do some direct mailing 03/3/05 20:59:15 scottk: cool 03/3/05 20:59:30 BethnRod: Barry - mailing post cards, letter, what? 03/3/05 20:59:32 Rod: Barry, do you have a laser printer? 03/3/05 20:59:48 Rod: n.m. beth is on it...her dept. 03/3/05 20:59:50 BethnRod: postcards are less expensive 03/3/05 20:59:51 BarryM: yes on the printer thingy rod 03/3/05 20:59:55 Rod: lol 03/3/05 21:00:24 BethnRod: he really is more technical than that...ask him about the pump thingy 03/3/05 21:00:27 BethnRod: ;) 03/3/05 21:00:57 BethnRod: you can get 4 color glossy stock postcards at www.twigonestop.com 03/3/05 21:01:02 BarryM: probably post cards 03/3/05 21:01:10 BarryM: k 03/3/05 21:01:20 BethnRod: also price them at www.colormation.com 03/3/05 21:01:37 BethnRod: look int oa bulk mailing permit 03/3/05 21:01:46 BethnRod: ooops into 03/3/05 21:02:18 BarryM: locally or with the state or what 03/3/05 21:02:25 BethnRod: local post office 03/3/05 21:02:34 Mike_IN: post cards will cost you less postage 03/3/05 21:02:42 BethnRod: you can also check the US postal service online 03/3/05 21:02:52 Mike_IN: do you have a po box? 03/3/05 21:02:56 BethnRod: no 03/3/05 21:03:07 BarryM: no 03/3/05 21:03:08 Rod: you can get rates as low as .16 with bulk certified mail postcards 03/3/05 21:03:33 Mike_IN: oh well I was going to say if you did, ask them next time your in the PO 03/3/05 21:03:59 Mike_IN: i have a small po box, 16.95 every 6 months 03/3/05 21:04:19 BethnRod: that's not bad 03/3/05 21:04:41 BarryM: I don't know how to go about getting potential customers addresses though 03/3/05 21:04:57 Mike_IN: you'll have to purchase mailing list 03/3/05 21:05:02 BarryM: that's not super expensive 03/3/05 21:05:32 Mike_IN: granted thats for a small po box, but anything that does not fit they just hold for me in the back, so whats the point of paying for a larger box? 03/3/05 21:06:33 BarryM: I guess I'll just have to pay 03/3/05 21:07:10 BarryM: I thought about driving around in a few sub divisions and getting all the addresses myself 03/3/05 21:07:20 scottk: we have done that Barry 03/3/05 21:07:27 BethnRod: good way to target where you want to work 03/3/05 21:07:33 scottk: we have over 1000 we got that way 03/3/05 21:07:45 scottk: exactly Rod 03/3/05 21:08:00 Mike_IN: that would work, just a little time consuming. I would imagine there has to be a way to pay the post office to just send a postcard to a side of town, all the pizza joints do iut with coupons, it will say Route ### for the address? 03/3/05 21:08:03 BethnRod: Barry try the MSN white pages off the MSN home page 03/3/05 21:08:22 BarryM: k, thanks 03/3/05 21:09:15 Mike_IN: barry, you will find that while doing jobs, neighbors will come up to you and ask questions and want information, a yard sign and business cards will help get you business 03/3/05 21:10:09 BarryM: i have been looking for yard signs too mike 03/3/05 21:10:13 Jeffrey_Robison: After I do a job I drive and get about 50 neighbors addresses and send a letter to all saying I did work for so and so and they were happy. Neighborhood discount ... Works great 03/3/05 21:10:37 BarryM: good idea jeff 03/3/05 21:10:38 Mike_IN: barry you can go to an office store and get supplies to make one for under $30 03/3/05 21:10:50 Jeffrey_Robison: of the 50 I normally get 3 calls. Do another job and get a few more. 03/3/05 21:10:57 BarryM: sweet, mike 03/3/05 21:11:11 Rod: www.infospace.com/_1_26B9UY603WNFLWJ_msn.main/white-pages/reverse-lookup 03/3/05 21:11:33 Mike_IN: you can get a truck magnet there also, the catch is you have to stick the letters on and set it up yourself, but it cost less then $50 03/3/05 21:11:38 Rod: Its a start and its free. 03/3/05 21:11:47 Jeffrey_Robison: easy personalized follow up. they get the letter aske the neighbor and call only you. 03/3/05 21:11:51 BarryM: thanks rod 03/3/05 21:11:58 Mike_IN: brb 03/3/05 21:12:08 Rod: your welcome. 03/3/05 21:12:21 Jeffrey_Robison: rod, do you reclaim? 03/3/05 21:12:26 BarryM: I wandered how many jobs a person usually gets out of 50 mailing jeff, thanks 03/3/05 21:12:51 Rod: Our line of work doesnt require it, residential. 03/3/05 21:13:10 Rod: We do mostly divert and dry, then clean up the residue. 03/3/05 21:13:13 Jeffrey_Robison: Since it is so personalized and you just did a neighbors house, the returns are pretty high. Just a mass send out would yeild much less 03/3/05 21:13:45 Rod: we just make sure that nothing goes down a storm drain. 03/3/05 21:14:39 Jeffrey_Robison: Anyone reclaim here? 03/3/05 21:15:05 scottk: hey guys have to run....somone has to type a report for school in the AM...be back later if anyone is here 03/3/05 21:15:19 Mike_IN: its not required for residential work here jeff, as long as it stays out of the storm drain, and when cleasning a house it all goes into the ground 03/3/05 21:15:38 Rod: cya scott 03/3/05 21:15:46 Mike_IN: take care scott 03/3/05 21:15:51 scottk Logs Out 03/3/05 21:16:01 Jeffrey_Robison: getting a used reclaim at a good price. Hoping to lure some commercial work. Kind of risky 03/3/05 21:16:30 Jeffrey_Robison: they are supposed to start enforcing heavily here. 03/3/05 21:17:01 Rod: jeffrey, ? 20? 03/3/05 21:17:10 Mike_IN: i agree with it, I think we should do anything we can to help the eniviorment and keep the rivers clean 03/3/05 21:17:11 Jeffrey_Robison: Atlanta, gA 03/3/05 21:17:31 Jeffrey_Robison: Just north of Atl in Gwinnett County 03/3/05 21:18:12 Rod: Ic, sunbrite territory? 03/3/05 21:18:30 BethnRod: Here in MD the run off often can lead back to the Chesapeak Bay. The drains are often marked that way too. 03/3/05 21:18:58 Rod: also, whats your price point for a system? 03/3/05 21:20:44 BarryM: gotta run, thanks all. See ya tomarrow at 8pm on the midwest chat 03/3/05 21:21:00 BethnRod: night barry 03/3/05 21:21:16 BarryM: night 03/3/05 21:21:23 Rod: cya 03/3/05 21:21:58 BarryM Logs Out 03/3/05 21:21:59 Mike_IN: take care barry, keep up the good work 03/3/05 21:22:33 BethnRod: well, I'm gonna check some threads and call it a night. 03/3/05 21:22:40 BethnRod: night all. 03/3/05 21:23:03 BethnRod Logs Out 03/3/05 21:23:04 Jeffrey_Robison: sunbrite yes, are you still here 03/3/05 21:23:34 Mike_IN Logs Out 03/3/05 21:23:48 Rod: ok, just wondering what your price point is on a system? 03/3/05 21:24:16 Rod: hydrotek has a sytem for 1500 that might fit your bill... 03/3/05 21:24:18 Jeffrey_Robison: 1,000 vacuboom with the bells and whistles, Alkota reclaim system 03/3/05 21:24:48 Jeffrey_Robison: that was 1800.00 03/3/05 21:25:29 Jeffrey_Robison: Seemed like a very good price from the research I did 03/3/05 21:25:29 Rod: Jon Fleisher in Ca. hates his vacu boom because the parts are so expensive to replace 03/3/05 21:26:03 Rod: that is not bad... 03/3/05 21:26:29 Jeffrey_Robison: Not sure about replacement parts. Don't think it was even used that much 03/3/05 21:27:08 Rod: the plastic breaks down from sunlite and becomes brittle... just food for thought. 03/3/05 21:27:22 Jeffrey_Robison: Boom and the recycle is probably overboard, but I might need it in the future 03/3/05 21:28:05 Jeffrey_Robison: Nice chatting, but I need to run Thanks 03/3/05 21:28:34 Rod: many get by with burms or dams and a sump pump to a tank and go dump at a reclaim center. 03/3/05 21:28:37 Rod: ok cya 03/3/05 21:28:43 Rod Logs Out 03/3/05 21:28:50 Jeffrey_Robison Logs Out 03/3/05 22:00:16 hoods_guy_1 Logs in [68.2.100.102] 03/3/05 22:00:30 hoods_guy_1: hello 03/3/05 22:01:10 hoods_guy_1 Logs Out 03/3/05 22:01:41 hoods_guy_1 Logs in [68.2.100.102] 03/3/05 22:02:14 hoods_guy_1: any one here? 03/3/05 22:02:31 hoods_guy_1 Logs Out 03/3/05 22:24:08 scottk Logs in [68.217.204.213] 03/3/05 22:24:18 scottk Logs in [68.217.204.213] 03/3/05 22:24:33 scottk Logs Out

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Thank you for the link :) Every little bit helps! Rod~

All, Many thanks for the kind words of appreciation. I'll share with you how The Grime Scene came to be. A few years back, I did some writing for a short lived magazine called BlastMaster. It folded, and folks started to call and email me about starting it back up. I was not inclined to start up a printed publication, but was more inclined to created a comprehensive site covering many aspects of cleaning in general. Some folks said it would not take off, that there were many other BBS's out there. About the same time we started selling products. No secret there. Well, since the store was going to be online, it made sense to go ahead and open a BBS. So, we did. While we as administrators have worked hard, it would be wrong to say we have been the sole and driving force. You see, we put the tool out there in skeleton form, but everyone here added the flesh to the bones. We credit the moderators and members of this bbs, for the success of it, it has been their ( and your) achievement. All we did, was build the venue, and give it guidance. So pat yourselves on the back for being good and thoughtful and giving. Thank you for the kudos, they mean alot to us. We have spent many hours working on this, and what means the most to me, is to hear your success stories and to see your problems solved. But we thank you guys, for making this a place you feel good about belonging and sharing. Thanks for everything you do here. Beth

Do you have ABR products in your area? If so, try their product called "strip it all". I have used it to strip off some army green paint from a deck many years ago but didnt like the fact that it came in this thick gel. Apply with a brush or roller and leave on thick. Neutralize after you wash it off. If this doesnt work...got a match? j/k :) Rod~

I wanted to let you all know that I am following this thread. I am flattered that you feel this way, and I appreciate very much the support you have given me and the confidence in me that you have shown. I am curious as to why you look to me for this. Beth

On stripping paint, depends on the paint. Some come off as easy as stain, others will not budge. On paint, always do a test spot prior to pricing it. On the wood manual...if you are taking the class and following along, yes. If not go to http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fplgtr/fplgtr113/fplgtr113.htm and download what you need. ( main site is http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/) Beth

Tony, I hope you have a blast. Take some pics and post them here will you please? It's always fun to see the convention, and the people are the best part. I think they currently have 18 vendors - www.pwna.org . Beth

My mom said it another way: It is better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt! She also told me the we are born with 2 eyes, 2 ears and 1 mouth. We should use them in proportion to what we are gifted. Watch and listen 2 times as much as you talk, and remeber none of them would be worth paying attention to if they werent connected to your heart. Rod~

My solution: Take a tennis ball and embed a T shaped wire into it with a loop on the protruding end and attach a string/strap line etc. to it with enough extra length so that the ball can fall free when bumped out and not get away from you. It just dangles below the gun until you reseat it to hold the trigger open. This helps to reduce operator fatigue but offers quick control of the trigger when needed. The ball pops out easily. I think it is a safer way than the plastic trigger ones they have for sale now, but that is just my humble opinion and personal preference. Rod~

I know you were kidding. No offense whatsoever was taken. :groovy3: No worries... Beth :cool:

Well, if discussing and promoting ethical business practices makes us trouble makers, they yes we are. Beth :groovy:

It is ethically best to answer this yes. But how many of us actually did? If we informed the customer before hand of the potential, then we can go back and say "As we talked about, this happened and I took care of it by doing this..." But, if we didnt inform them and didnt even realize the problem was possible, then more than likely, my guess is that we covered our tracks (the problem) and didnt mention anything to the customer. Personally, I cant think of anything more than siding blowing off (not completely) and having to stop and re-attach it and the only reason for not mentioning it to the customer was that they were not home at the time of completion. Carlos, thank you for bringing this up. In the process of writing this response it gave me an idea... In KEC, they have a form called a deficiency report that is given to the customer after the initial inspection or after the job is completed to inform them of problems or regulations that their equipment might be in violation of. I would suggest that we in our own businesses come up with a report that mentions to the customer any problems we encountered in the process of doing our job so that they can take corrective measures. This of course is relating to pre-existing conditions that we are not made aware of before hand. Any problems that came about as a result of the process should be corrected by the contractor and then notify the homeowner. This is instilling trust in the contractor and shows that the contractor is responsible. Lets set a standard of integrity for ourselves. Rod~

Actually, when using a pressure actuated unloader, there will be a spike in the system no matter where the device is after the unloader itself. The line is constantly under pressure, so when you change over using a cut off valve, there is still pressure to be released once you open the valve and then again once you pull the trigger. The pressure level is constant through out the system with these types of unloaders. Rod~

Hi Howard, It was just us. There was a question from a member, and one of the BOD answered it with the following statement: Rod and I both questioned the response, Rod was a tad more direct about it than I was. We questioned the ethics of it coming from a BOD member to a member. We then got emails demanding we edit our posts, followed by an email saying to shut both of us down, although it was Rod's post they had the most problems with. Does this answer your question? Have a great day. Hope this weather changes soon. I think we are all ready for spring. :groovy2: Beth

Michael, We do sell the Decker, and all the parts and accessories for it as well (yes to cones and guns). We use a cone tip and love it. It allows for better coating on the surface to be covered than a fan tip will. Beth

JSavoy, Thank you very much for your kind words. I tried very hard as a member and as a BOD member to support the PWNA, as did Rod as a member. Rod and I did this because we support the industry, and those who choose to take a bold step by attempting self employment. We are believers that if we all help one another, our chance for success is far greater. Beth

cool beans John. Rod~

Yeah, well, joke all you like but after they decided to lock us out of the BBS:2eyes:, and we were PWNA Members, for something as simple as questioning how ethical a statement that was made was:eek:, we decided to cancel our membership for a while. They have some work to do. :banghead: Beth