Beth n Rod

Shannon, You are very welcome! Let us know if we can offer any assistance. Beth :groovy:

I'm gonna suggest you shop three: Tom Vogel, ACR Products - http://www.acrproducts.com/ Bob Williamson, PressureTek - www.pressuretek.com Larry Hinckley, Delco - www.dcs1.com Tell them Beth & Rod sent you. All build great rigs. For add on equipemnt call us. We sell many things as well.... Beth

Welcome to TGS Hydro Blaster! In reply to the main question, A distinct difference between supply reels and high pressure reels is as Alan has stated. Further, the swivels are rated for higher psi and have stronger seals in them. The spool part of the reel is also stronger to withstand the hose expansion that would crush a regular reel. The manufacturers I have talked with do recommend unrolling the hose from the reel to extend its life. Our crews are instructed to lay them out in a serpentine pattern if they dont need all 200' and use a wrag to clean them off as they roll them up. It only adds a couple of minutes to the pack up process but the appearance to others as the units go down the road is a lot cleaner. Rod~

I wear rubber boots that are easy to slip on and off when I am done at the site. In between, I wear sandals so that my feet and socks can air out and dry while enroute. I change with the pvc as well. Suit up with pvc and rubber boots then strip down to company t'shirt and shorts. For some, it may be a hassle to go through this 3-5 times a day, but I would rather do that than suffer swampfoot again. (where your feet get all pruney and stay that way for so long that it actually becomes painful to walk on them) Tennis shoes...been there done that, got the ever popular stained till they are no longer flexible enough to wear. You all have heard of getting your shoes bronzed...well...same thing but with stain instead! :) Rod~

There is something else to be learned from this one...everything is not always what it seems and judgementalism can blind you to what other possibilities may exist. Moral: Dont be so quick to judge and slow to understand. Ignorance has 2 other friends...prejudice and fear. :yoda: Rod~

I use the M-5 for virtually everything in house washing. Brick, vinyl, aluminum...etc. Rod~

There is a statistic for new business ventures that states most new businesses that will fail do so within 2 years. Factors contributing to failure include: Poor management (money, personnel, bookkeeping and accounting A/R-A/P), Lack of a business plan, Poor discipline, economy. Staying in business beyond that profitably for the next 3 years is a good sign of a stable business. So, taking from the above, it would seem that the first couple of years are the most critical for most business ventures. After that, remaining profitable from years 3-5 are very important to the longevity of the business. As far as I am concerned, making it through year 1 was tough...I considered us as a newbie during that time. In the beginning of year 2, I considered ourselves as intermediate. Overall, year one is the newbie year, year 2 is the year you either correct your mistakes from year 1 or you dont and the business suffers. my .02 Rod~

Who is going? We are undecided, but most likely are not attending this time. Beth

We have a M.U.L.E. in stock..... ;) It is way cool. Rod uses the Viper, and I like the Hi-Viz Orange. (I like bright colors ;) ) Beth

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What is it you're thinking about washing? 02/25/05 20:26:17 BarryM: houses, decks 02/25/05 20:26:27 BarryM: roofs 02/25/05 20:26:37 RussJohnson: Yeah... the **************'s. They're a wild pair. 02/25/05 20:26:53 MikeIN: never been there, but I've seen it from 65 02/25/05 20:27:25 BarryM: I want to start with a cold water mach 4gpm 02/25/05 20:27:55 BarryM: belt driven 02/25/05 20:28:21 MikeIN: you wont need a pw for roofs :) 02/25/05 20:28:30 BarryM: true 02/25/05 20:28:50 RussJohnson: They do a kick ass business there and do a lot of in plant cleaning, too. You know where the NTN driveshaft plant is? That's one of their biggest. 02/25/05 20:29:09 MikeIN: i want to get about 200 ft of braided hose and a nice shur-flo setup for that 02/25/05 20:29:51 MikeIN: i know its in columbus, but not sure exactly 02/25/05 20:30:14 BarryM: did you get an x-jet yet mike 02/25/05 20:30:21 MikeIN: no 02/25/05 20:30:38 RussJohnson: Got some pretty spring specials from BE the other day. Nice belt drives. 02/25/05 20:30:40 MikeIN: due to weather, i havent done much lately 02/25/05 20:30:51 MikeIN: not to mention i'm still PT 02/25/05 20:31:11 RussJohnson: X jets went up this year... hell, everything did. 02/25/05 20:31:36 MikeIN: not sure i'm 100% sold on them personally, we'll see 02/25/05 20:31:58 MikeIN: barry we need to drive down and check russ's shop out sometime 02/25/05 20:32:10 BarryM: I'm game 02/25/05 20:32:11 RussJohnson: Doggoned price of steel, not tomention the stronger Euro Dollar, has driven everything up. 02/25/05 20:32:12 MikeIN: i've been wanting to get down their myself 02/25/05 20:33:34 MikeIN: whats your next step barry? 02/25/05 20:33:42 RussJohnson: What's stopping you? 02/25/05 20:34:10 BarryM: I just registered at the recorder office Monday 02/25/05 20:34:18 MikeIN: my "honey do" list... :D 02/25/05 20:34:30 BarryM: Then registered with the State 02/25/05 20:34:43 BarryM: So I guess I'm a real business now 02/25/05 20:34:48 MikeIN: you just need to do it with the recorder 02/25/05 20:34:54 MikeIN: no state license for IN 02/25/05 20:35:19 RussJohnson: Hey, another enterpreneur! 02/25/05 20:35:29 BarryM: ya, I called the IN dept of rev. 3 times and got 3 diff answers 02/25/05 20:35:43 MikeIN: I think its like 10 dollars to register with the recorder 02/25/05 20:35:45 RussJohnson: Red tape....funny stuff 02/25/05 20:36:16 MikeIN: if its just you yourself working, it's all you need to be a sole prop. 02/25/05 20:36:28 MikeIN: no state license 02/25/05 20:36:35 BarryM: I told them I have no employees and don't sell anything 02/25/05 20:36:45 MikeIN: you dont need tax id or anything 02/25/05 20:36:47 RussJohnson: Do you guts buy into the "bleach cleans everything" mentality? 02/25/05 20:36:59 BarryM: They said I still need to register using for bt-1 02/25/05 20:37:05 RussJohnson: guys...fat fingers...little keys 02/25/05 20:37:07 MikeIN: umm, bleach will kill anything, I dont think it cleans anything 02/25/05 20:37:08 BarryM: form 02/25/05 20:37:21 MikeIN: never heard of it barry 02/25/05 20:37:55 RussJohnson: I agree it has its place, but some washers are bleach crazy 02/25/05 20:38:13 MikeIN: i've seen bleach really screw up wood 02/25/05 20:38:27 MikeIN: made white spots all over it 02/25/05 20:38:43 MikeIN: bleach is for roofs :) 02/25/05 20:38:54 BarryM: and laundry 02/25/05 20:39:02 RussJohnson: lol 02/25/05 20:39:03 MikeIN: yeah that too 02/25/05 20:39:32 MikeIN: russ are you carrying more chems now? 02/25/05 20:40:04 BarryM: my next step mike is to set up a bank account and start to buy equipment 02/25/05 20:40:20 RussJohnson: I carry all sorts of chems. Need to get more on my site. 02/25/05 20:40:21 MikeIN: awesome barry, thats the FUN part 02/25/05 20:40:52 MikeIN: remember to keep reciepts 02/25/05 20:40:56 RussJohnson: Yeah. Fun for me. Bring that money here. He He 02/25/05 20:40:57 BarryM: I hope I can do it all with $3500 02/25/05 20:40:59 MikeIN: on everything 02/25/05 20:41:23 MikeIN: what all do you think you need for 3500? 02/25/05 20:41:56 RussJohnson: Serouusly, though. Souhds like your equipment needs to start will fit your budget. 02/25/05 20:41:57 MikeIN: since your gonna be PT, why not start in a select few areas and work your way up 02/25/05 20:42:46 BarryM: so maybe just focus on houses and gutters? 02/25/05 20:42:57 MikeIN: as you make money, turn it around and invest it back into your company 02/25/05 20:43:05 MikeIN: I would 02/25/05 20:43:09 BarryM: that's the plan 02/25/05 20:43:12 MikeIN: you dont want to get in over your head 02/25/05 20:43:19 MikeIN: as you get comfortable, expand 02/25/05 20:43:24 MikeIN: and then expand more 02/25/05 20:43:39 BarryM: It's hard to know what I need at first 02/25/05 20:43:42 MikeIN: that way you can take the money you have, get a good washer and get the most bang for your buck 02/25/05 20:43:57 RussJohnson: If you're going to do houses and gutters, be prepared for decks, too. Where are decks? On houses. 02/25/05 20:44:00 MikeIN: gutters are simple, you need a good ladder and gloves and a bucket :) 02/25/05 20:44:57 BarryM: ok then I need a washer, and now a ladder lol 02/25/05 20:45:06 RussJohnson: You talking about cleaning out a gutter or washing the black streaks off? 02/25/05 20:45:25 MikeIN: i got a 300lb industrial ladder & ladder stabalizer for under 250.00 02/25/05 20:45:49 MikeIN: for the black streaks you need a degreaser and a long handle with brush :) 02/25/05 20:46:24 BarryM: I need hoses, and chems 02/25/05 20:46:32 BarryM: I have a pickup 02/25/05 20:46:35 RussJohnson: Yes, a concentrated degreaser. Not that Dollar Store water. 02/25/05 20:46:58 MikeIN: russ what do you carry for chems? 02/25/05 20:47:10 MikeIN: your website list truck washers 02/25/05 20:47:44 RussJohnson: House wash - BD 20 - 6% butyl - can mix with bleach for mildew 02/25/05 20:48:05 RussJohnson: BDs00 - 6% butyl - 6% caustic 02/25/05 20:48:12 RussJohnson: BD200 02/25/05 20:48:32 MikeIN: whats BD? 02/25/05 20:48:43 RussJohnson: Spray Wax 02/25/05 20:48:55 RussJohnson: Butyl Degreaser 02/25/05 20:49:31 RussJohnson: brb.. time for a beer 02/25/05 20:49:40 MikeIN: i'll take one 02/25/05 20:49:46 BarryM: grab me one 02/25/05 20:50:15 MikeIN: yeah I'm looking for a local supplier for chems, so I had to ask 02/25/05 20:50:22 MikeIN: didnt mean to cut you off barry 02/25/05 20:50:39 BarryM: that ok 02/25/05 20:51:04 MikeIN: i like the name you went with 02/25/05 20:51:18 BarryM: thanks 02/25/05 20:51:37 MikeIN: i think the "pressure" & "power" scares people off 02/25/05 20:52:08 RussJohnson: Not the Tim Allen types. 02/25/05 20:52:30 RussJohnson: Of which I am one. 02/25/05 20:52:45 MikeIN: that thing needs more power 02/25/05 20:52:48 BarryM: nothin wrong with that 02/25/05 20:53:18 RussJohnson: I'm in the process of souping up a 6.5 Honda for a go kart 02/25/05 20:53:41 MikeIN: i saw you had some go carts on your web site, we need to take those up to the track ;) 02/25/05 20:53:59 RussJohnson: I've got a track 02/25/05 20:54:05 BarryM: what's the name of your site Russ 02/25/05 20:54:07 RussJohnson: and go karts 02/25/05 20:54:14 MikeIN: have any problems or questions lately barry? havent talked to you in a week or so 02/25/05 20:54:25 RussJohnson: www.southside-equipment.com 02/25/05 20:54:34 MikeIN: i meant the indy 500 track :) 02/25/05 20:55:19 BarryM: where do you buy your business forms mike? 02/25/05 20:55:22 RussJohnson: oh..it would take forever to do 1 lap at 35 mph 02/25/05 20:55:26 MikeIN: is your track dirt? 1/4 mile? 02/25/05 20:55:38 BarryM: Like proposals and reciepts 02/25/05 20:55:41 RussJohnson: .2 mile 02/25/05 20:56:14 MikeIN: bring them up here and I'll call tony stewart 02/25/05 20:56:14 RussJohnson: Barry, I use nebs for all my office supplies - www.NEBS.com 02/25/05 20:56:29 MikeIN: whats the ? on proposals? 02/25/05 20:56:47 BarryM: got their catalog 02/25/05 20:56:49 RussJohnson: They like diet, not asphalt 02/25/05 20:57:19 RussJohnson: dirt...can't type 02/25/05 20:57:55 RussJohnson: go to the website. full catalog available there 02/25/05 20:58:45 RussJohnson: good prices and quick delivery 02/25/05 20:59:42 MikeIN: i use a local printer, family owned business, been happy with them 02/25/05 21:00:21 MikeIN: russ do you have a product sheet or something you could email? 02/25/05 21:00:32 RussJohnson: It's good to keep money in your own community. 02/25/05 21:00:54 MikeIN: i like to shop local when I can, it's my small town mentality i guess :) 02/25/05 21:01:03 RussJohnson: Yes, what's your addy? 02/25/05 21:01:27 MikeIN: hoosiermike@hotmail.com is the easiest one 02/25/05 21:01:48 RussJohnson: oh yrah...duh 02/25/05 21:01:50 MikeIN: it would be nice to be able to look at what you got so when I do come down I can make s hopping list 02/25/05 21:02:03 RussJohnson: yeah...sheeeet 02/25/05 21:02:10 BarryM: midwestprowash@yahoo.com me too please 02/25/05 21:02:27 MikeIN: barry i emailed you, but i think it was your old email address 02/25/05 21:02:39 BarryM: ok, i'll check it 02/25/05 21:02:40 MikeIN: i need to update my address book 02/25/05 21:02:47 MikeIN: to your new one 02/25/05 21:03:31 MikeIN: thanks russ 02/25/05 21:03:40 RussJohnson: Last year I had a parts and accessories catalog on disc... waiting for new software from my vendor 02/25/05 21:04:28 MikeIN: it definately cheaper to do it that way, and I like it better then a paper catalog anyways 02/25/05 21:05:29 MikeIN: was hoping to get a few more guys in here from the region 02/25/05 21:05:38 MikeIN: guess we'll keep trying :) 02/25/05 21:05:55 RussJohnson: I made it myself last year. Scanned catalog pages in and converted them to an interactive pdf 02/25/05 21:06:31 RussJohnson: Hey, this chat is new, may take a while to catch on 02/25/05 21:07:06 MikeIN: thats true 02/25/05 21:07:42 MikeIN: just think its a good thing to get to know people around you that share the same interest and might be able to help you out in some way down the road 02/25/05 21:07:48 BarryM: Russ is $1000 for a 4gpm cold washer something you could do? 02/25/05 21:07:49 RussJohnson: Then again, maybe we're all alone in this region. 02/25/05 21:08:02 MikeIN: is there alot of pw'ers in louisville? 02/25/05 21:08:23 RussJohnson: Direct drive, I can get close, but not for belt drive. 02/25/05 21:09:11 RussJohnson: Tons of 'em. The market seems flooded. Lots of fly-by nighters. 02/25/05 21:09:51 MikeIN: do you do anything with others in my area? 02/25/05 21:09:52 RussJohnson: My dinner is here got to go. I'll send e mails. Later, guys. 02/25/05 21:09:59 MikeIN: ok russ thanks 02/25/05 21:10:04 MikeIN: for stopping in 02/25/05 21:10:06 MikeIN: take care 02/25/05 21:10:07 BarryM: later, thanks 02/25/05 21:10:15 RussJohnson: Had a good time 02/25/05 21:10:23 RussJohnson Logs Out 02/25/05 21:10:38 BarryM: is your mach direct drive 02/25/05 21:10:53 MikeIN: he does come across used equipment also, he's emailed me a few times when he does 02/25/05 21:11:02 MikeIN: yes mine is 02/25/05 21:11:10 MikeIN: my next rig will be belt 02/25/05 21:11:14 BarryM: I know they don't last as long but like you said I will upgrade 02/25/05 21:11:38 MikeIN: you can get a few years out of one if you take care of it, change the oil and stuff 02/25/05 21:11:54 MikeIN: you will eventually want to get a more durable unit 02/25/05 21:12:08 BarryM: I think I'll just go to Lowes and bite the bullet 02/25/05 21:12:15 MikeIN: but you can start out with a smaller one, alot guys out there have done just that 02/25/05 21:12:39 MikeIN: and then if business is good, call russ up and upgrade :) 02/25/05 21:12:47 MikeIN: but nothing wrong with starting small 02/25/05 21:13:00 MikeIN: like I told you I am still using cold water 02/25/05 21:13:30 MikeIN: but I will be going to hot water as my commercial jobs grow and if I go full time I'm sure they will 02/25/05 21:14:14 MikeIN: pick 2 - 3 things you want to do, and do them the best you possibly can. When it's time to expand, you'll know when the time comes 02/25/05 21:14:43 BarryM: I think thats what i'll do 02/25/05 21:14:48 MikeIN: like I said, just cleaning gutters alone can make you lots of money in this state 02/25/05 21:15:03 MikeIN: and that doesnt take much start up money at all 02/25/05 21:15:22 BarryM: do you charge by the house or the foot 02/25/05 21:15:24 MikeIN: not to mention when you get to someones house to clean thier gutters.. 02/25/05 21:15:35 MikeIN: you can sell your house washing services as well :) 02/25/05 21:16:08 MikeIN: spring time is when all these "airplanes" from the maple trees clog the gutters 02/25/05 21:16:12 MikeIN: hint hint :) 02/25/05 21:17:25 MikeIN: i'll try and help you in any way I can with any questions you have 02/25/05 21:18:21 MikeIN: one thing your gonna need is more hose also, I dont think they give you much hose with the PW'ers when you buy them from lowes 02/25/05 21:18:35 MikeIN: buy another 50 - 100 feet of hose 02/25/05 21:18:51 BarryM: ya I think your right 02/25/05 21:19:16 BarryM: I don't need hose reels at first though 02/25/05 21:19:18 MikeIN: 50 ft will run you about 30 - 35 dollars 02/25/05 21:19:23 MikeIN: nah 02/25/05 21:19:26 MikeIN: just roll them up 02/25/05 21:19:33 MikeIN: and throw them in the back of the truck 02/25/05 21:19:40 BarryM: cut them costs baby 02/25/05 21:19:53 MikeIN: when you get over 250 feet of hose you might want to just because it saves you time, but for now your fine 02/25/05 21:19:58 MikeIN: i hear ya! 02/25/05 21:20:23 MikeIN: i dont see any reason why you cant get going for 3500 02/25/05 21:20:31 BarryM: I plan on business cards, truck lettering, and a yard sign 02/25/05 21:20:41 MikeIN: just get what ytou need, and keep buying things as you need them 02/25/05 21:21:06 BarryM: maybe a couple t shirts with bus. name on em 02/25/05 21:21:21 BarryM: want to look professional 02/25/05 21:21:27 MikeIN: truck lettering, you can also go to office max, they have big white magnet signs with letters you you can make your own truck signs, I think they run around 30.00 02/25/05 21:21:59 BarryM: cool, that's cheaper than I found so far 02/25/05 21:22:24 MikeIN: yeah go to office max, or office depot and they have it by their sign area 02/25/05 21:22:35 BarryM: still debating the additional phone line 02/25/05 21:22:42 BarryM: I know you use a cell 02/25/05 21:22:49 MikeIN: its a start, gets your name and phone number on the truck for much much less 02/25/05 21:23:08 MikeIN: yeah if i go full time I will get a landline 02/25/05 21:23:22 BarryM: thought about just adding another voice mail to my home phone 02/25/05 21:23:39 MikeIN: thats a good idea, i dont think it cost to much 02/25/05 21:24:22 MikeIN: honeslty I think you can get a whole new line added for 20 dollars a month, I just havent dont it yet, I like to answer the phone, so I use my cell 02/25/05 21:25:05 BarryM: insurance is another worry 02/25/05 21:25:17 MikeIN: whys that? 02/25/05 21:25:44 BarryM: Well not really a worry, do you use Joe Walters? 02/25/05 21:26:00 MikeIN: you should be able to get around 500,000 insurance for around 400.00 a month 02/25/05 21:26:07 MikeIN: no i go with a local company 02/25/05 21:26:22 MikeIN: 400.00 a year 02/25/05 21:26:24 MikeIN: not month 02/25/05 21:26:25 MikeIN: sorry 02/25/05 21:26:28 MikeIN: a year 02/25/05 21:26:36 BarryM: scared me 02/25/05 21:26:41 MikeIN: sorry 02/25/05 21:26:45 MikeIN: scared myself 02/25/05 21:26:50 MikeIN: 400.00 a year 02/25/05 21:26:50 BarryM: lol 02/25/05 21:27:06 MikeIN: give or take 10 dollars or so 02/25/05 21:27:22 MikeIN: so its not expensive, but well worth the money 02/25/05 21:27:31 BarryM: so I guess it's just a matter of getting everything together 02/25/05 21:27:43 BarryM: I hope to start by April 02/25/05 21:28:11 MikeIN: you need to register with the recorder, get insurance, buy equipment, and have fun :) 02/25/05 21:28:23 BarryM: Do you keep your own books? 02/25/05 21:28:32 MikeIN: always test things out on your own propery first :) 02/25/05 21:28:35 MikeIN: yes 02/25/05 21:28:41 MikeIN: my wife helps me with that 02/25/05 21:28:50 BarryM: quickbooks 02/25/05 21:29:00 BarryM: or manual 02/25/05 21:29:17 MikeIN: manual, but we are looking into quickbooks 02/25/05 21:29:41 BarryM: I was thinking manual would be enough for PT 02/25/05 21:29:53 MikeIN: bookkeeping is simple, just keep paperwork on everything, and if you need help fopr taxes you can find an accountant pretty reasonable 02/25/05 21:30:02 MikeIN: yeah for PT it doesnt take much 02/25/05 21:30:17 MikeIN: just keep all reciepts, and log everything 02/25/05 21:30:32 MikeIN: puty it all n a nice file folder and your set :) 02/25/05 21:30:52 BarryM: I did register with recorder Monday cost $9 02/25/05 21:30:58 MikeIN: awesome 02/25/05 21:31:24 BarryM: And I haven't sent in that State form yet and I don't think I will 02/25/05 21:31:32 MikeIN: MidWest Pro Wash :D 02/25/05 21:31:38 BarryM: yep 02/25/05 21:31:43 MikeIN: ive never heard of it barry 02/25/05 21:31:49 MikeIN: the form that is 02/25/05 21:31:53 MikeIN: what is it for? 02/25/05 21:32:23 BarryM: they said its for a retail merchants cert. 02/25/05 21:32:36 MikeIN: but your not selling anything retail 02/25/05 21:32:39 BarryM: I said i'm not selling 02/25/05 21:32:40 MikeIN: you provide a service 02/25/05 21:32:43 MikeIN: you dont need that 02/25/05 21:32:51 MikeIN: you dont even have to charge tax 02/25/05 21:33:23 MikeIN: i would just toss it :) 02/25/05 21:33:31 BarryM: They said I'm exempt from paying any tax but I still had to register 02/25/05 21:33:46 BarryM: I think its bull, they just want my $25 02/25/05 21:33:57 MikeIN: they always want your money :) 02/25/05 21:34:38 BarryM: I called their local office in South Bend and the gut said I don't need it 02/25/05 21:34:45 BarryM: guy 02/25/05 21:34:53 MikeIN: he's right 02/25/05 21:35:13 BarryM: It was the people in Indy that said I did 02/25/05 21:35:43 BarryM: I'm not gonna worry about it, you haven't got in trouble yet 02/25/05 21:35:55 MikeIN: nope 02/25/05 21:36:27 BarryM: I'll just tell em Mike in Indy said I didn't need it lol 02/25/05 21:36:32 MikeIN: you are a service contractor, you provide a service, for a fair price to yourself 02/25/05 21:37:01 MikeIN: tell them I have a wand, and I'm not afraid to use it 02/25/05 21:37:21 BarryM: lol 02/25/05 21:37:33 BarryM: thanks for all your help 02/25/05 21:37:38 MikeIN: i have to bail out of here in a few minutes, but I got your new email address now, guess thats why i havent heard from you lately 02/25/05 21:37:45 MikeIN: no problem 02/25/05 21:37:55 MikeIN: i enjoy helping 02/25/05 21:38:02 MikeIN: you might be able to help me someday 02/25/05 21:38:16 BarryM: alright mike, I'll catch ya later 02/25/05 21:38:34 MikeIN: ok barry, take care, and enjoy your shooping spree 02/25/05 21:38:38 MikeIN: email me anytime 02/25/05 21:38:40 MikeIN: infact 02/25/05 21:38:47 MikeIN: let me give you my # too 02/25/05 21:38:52 BarryM: k 02/25/05 21:39:27 BarryM: got it 02/25/05 21:39:34 MikeIN: ok catch ya later! 02/25/05 21:39:40 BarryM: later 02/25/05 21:39:46 MikeIN Logs Out 02/25/05 21:39:47 BarryM Logs Out

Shane, Ever used a Camelback hydration system? They rock. They are inthe store if you are curious. Rob, Way cool job! Post some pics! Beth

Jon's right. :) Hey Jon, great seeing you up here again. :) Beth

Have fun Tony! :)

It's not his Powerwashing Guide. He's just selling it. Joshua, do you get a click through commission for selling for Nothern Tool? Beth

We use gloves all the time because of the fact that even when the product has been applied, it still is on everything and you may have to put your hands on it at some time or another while washing. Our rule is to wear them until everything is packed and you are getting into the vehicle. Even when we are sealing, we wear them. Reduces the need to use harsh cleaners to get the stain off of your hands and skin once it dries. Rod~

Joshua, Seems to me you sell things... can you confirm this for me? Beth

Joshua, Welcome to the BBS. Call me sometime. Beth p.s. we use nitrile gloves

degraffeed, SPV basically answered the question you posed for me... I use a flex wand to get even lower though...it throws a bead of water up about 40' and does quite well for pumping 8gpm onto a siding for rinsing...at around 300-500psi Rod~

Perhaps Shane will share his techniques on using bleach... Beth :groovy:

Hi Jon, You're not hijacking anything. :groovy2: Chris retired from wood care. He's very happy and has a career in real estate in Georgia now. Pete is running Sunbrite, and bought Chris out. Back to the wood care education question, Rod and I have had folks come up here and work with us before as well, exchange hands on labor for learning. If anyone is interested, contact us.We're doing this again this season. If you want to see what you'll learn to do, go to www.seedirtrun.com and look at the wood pages or the photo gallery. Hands on rocks. Beth

02/24/05 19:58:03 Russell_C Logs in [172.157.28.4] 02/24/05 19:59:19 Russell_C: Welcome to Thursday night chat at The Grime Scene. My name is Russell Cissell and I will be your host for the evening. 02/24/05 20:01:42 Mike_IN Logs in [4.252.64.41] 02/24/05 20:02:15 Russell_C: Welcome Mike. How are you this evening? 02/24/05 20:03:28 Mike_IN: Hey Russ, just finishing up some emails while waiting :) I'm good yourself? 02/24/05 20:03:46 Russell_C: Doing well 02/24/05 20:05:17 Brian_Sawyer Logs in [68.209.234.247] 02/24/05 20:05:28 BethnRod Logs in [63.159.12.24] 02/24/05 20:05:35 Russell_C: Welcome Brian 02/24/05 20:05:35 scottk Logs in [68.154.80.137] 02/24/05 20:05:37 Brian_Sawyer: Evening folks 02/24/05 20:05:42 scottk: waz up 02/24/05 20:05:52 BethnRod: evening all ;) 02/24/05 20:06:22 Russell_C: How are things going Scott? 02/24/05 20:06:36 scottk: not bad Russell ,how about you? 02/24/05 20:07:27 BethnRod: anyone else getting snow? 02/24/05 20:07:34 Russell_C: Going great, we've been gearing up for spring 02/24/05 20:07:48 Brian_Sawyer: not here. its been sunny and mid 50s today 02/24/05 20:07:48 Russell_C: We had the snow yesterday 02/24/05 20:07:58 Russell_C: was melted by 2 this afternoon 02/24/05 20:08:02 BethnRod: where are you brian? 02/24/05 20:08:09 Mike_IN: 2 inches today 02/24/05 20:08:10 scottk: we have been in teh upper 60's to low 80's this week 02/24/05 20:08:26 Brian_Sawyer: Tennessee 02/24/05 20:08:29 BethnRod: ugh. scott I want your weather! 02/24/05 20:08:45 scottk: it'll get cold once more before Easter 02/24/05 20:08:52 Brian_Sawyer: yeah 02/24/05 20:09:04 scottk: I wish the phone were ringing a little more but things are picking up 02/24/05 20:09:17 Brian_Sawyer: its been pleasent over the last couple of weeks 02/24/05 20:09:34 Russell_C: I predict a steady warming trend 02/24/05 20:09:41 Mike_IN: scott i got a ? do you use PP straight or dillute it? 02/24/05 20:10:06 scottk: we use it staight and rinse quickly 02/24/05 20:10:20 Mike_IN: ok thanks 02/24/05 20:10:30 Rod Logs in [63.159.12.24] 02/24/05 20:10:42 BethnRod: what's PP??? 02/24/05 20:11:04 scottk: about 1/2" om the bottom of a bucket and wiped on with abrush works fine 02/24/05 20:11:09 scottk: Purple power 02/24/05 20:11:10 Mike_IN: i mixed 2:1 and it seemed to work fine with light brushing, but it might have been an easy gutter to clean 02/24/05 20:11:24 scottk: buytl based degreaser 02/24/05 20:11:30 BethnRod: ah...gutter stuff, right? 02/24/05 20:11:37 scottk: yep 02/24/05 20:12:17 scottk: a fair amount cheaper than cutter shock or gutter zap and it works just as good 02/24/05 20:12:19 Mike_IN: it can cause havoc on painted alluminum though, so rinsing quickly is a must, thanks for the info scott 02/24/05 20:12:25 scottk: oops gutter 02/24/05 20:12:37 Mike_IN: 5 bucks a gallon here 02/24/05 20:12:43 scottk: yeah it likes paint 02/24/05 20:12:52 scottk: Walmart has it for $3.98 02/24/05 20:13:09 Mike_IN: oh yeah? I know where i'm going next, i got it from auto zone. 02/24/05 20:13:24 scottk: i can catch 5 gallons at auto zone on occassion for $12 02/24/05 20:13:34 Mike_IN: sweet 02/24/05 20:14:59 Russell_C: How is it going for you Brian? 02/24/05 20:15:06 Brian_Sawyer: You guys mind if I shoot a couple of questions at you? 02/24/05 20:15:20 Mike_IN: thats what were here for :) 02/24/05 20:15:22 Russell_C: That is what we are waiting for 02/24/05 20:15:33 Brian_Sawyer: I'm still trying to make the decision to get into the game or not 02/24/05 20:16:13 Brian_Sawyer: insurance on your vehicles? what does coverage run> 02/24/05 20:16:14 Brian_Sawyer: ? 02/24/05 20:16:25 Russell_C: What type of vehicle? 02/24/05 20:16:29 Brian_Sawyer: ball park for a commercial vehicle 02/24/05 20:16:31 Brian_Sawyer: truck 02/24/05 20:16:44 Russell_C: how much $$ in equipment? 02/24/05 20:17:07 Brian_Sawyer: the equipment will not be in the truck except to go to a job 02/24/05 20:17:30 Brian_Sawyer: starting off, I'm think of just a cold water unit and accessories 02/24/05 20:18:13 Brian_Sawyer: I found out that my insurance company will not cover a commercial vehicle 02/24/05 20:18:23 Brian_Sawyer: so I'm going to call tomorrow about prices 02/24/05 20:18:43 Rod Logs Out 02/24/05 20:18:51 Russell_C: Well if your driving record is clean (and you are the only driver) it should be similar to the rates you have now 02/24/05 20:19:24 Brian_Sawyer: so its not that much different from normal auto rate 02/24/05 20:19:41 BethnRod: everyone have their spring marketing planned? 02/24/05 20:19:49 Russell_C: It will be more, but in MO it is within 20% 02/24/05 20:19:52 BethnRod: *bird* 02/24/05 20:19:52 Rod Logs in [63.159.12.24] 02/24/05 20:20:12 Mike_IN: Ad in the paper and mass mailer :) 02/24/05 20:20:19 Russell_C: There are several web sites that will give you a quote 02/24/05 20:20:42 Brian_Sawyer: thats still not bad 02/24/05 20:20:44 Russell_C: Brian, what other concerns do you have? 02/24/05 20:20:50 Brian_Sawyer: alot 02/24/05 20:20:51 Brian_Sawyer: lol 02/24/05 20:21:00 Russell_C: Lets look at them one at a time 02/24/05 20:21:09 Brian_Sawyer: well 02/24/05 20:21:22 Mike_IN: hows the e zine coming beth? 02/24/05 20:21:35 Brian_Sawyer: deciding on what type of business to have, Solo Proprieter of LLC 02/24/05 20:21:43 Brian_Sawyer: sole 02/24/05 20:21:45 Brian_Sawyer: lol 02/24/05 20:21:58 Brian_Sawyer: I'm worried about being taxed to death 02/24/05 20:22:06 Russell_C: How much work will you do? 02/24/05 20:22:12 Brian_Sawyer: part time 02/24/05 20:22:17 Brian_Sawyer: nights and weekends 02/24/05 20:22:22 Russell_C: Will you have other sources of income? 02/24/05 20:22:38 Brian_Sawyer: I have a fulltime job that is my priority 02/24/05 20:22:58 Brian_Sawyer: my fulltime job and a computer rapair business that I have on the side 02/24/05 20:23:48 BethnRod: slow. we have alot to do. 02/24/05 20:23:49 Russell_C: Then I would file a ficticious name registration, get limited liability contractors insurance, open a bank account in the company name and operate as a sole prop. 02/24/05 20:23:57 Brian_Sawyer: it will be just me and my girlfriend doing the PWing 02/24/05 20:24:18 Mike_IN: tossed a few suggestions in the thread at ya 02/24/05 20:24:31 BethnRod: need articles of course, but celeste and I are workin gon getting it set up an dit has to happen in our spare time. 02/24/05 20:24:49 BethnRod: thanks. you have had some great suggestions 02/24/05 20:25:03 Russell_C: Brian - as the business grows it will not be difficult to restructure 02/24/05 20:25:30 Russell_C: You accountant should be able to tell you when it is time to grow and change 02/24/05 20:25:43 Russell_C: forgive my typing/spelling this evening 02/24/05 20:26:44 Brian_Sawyer: I think most of the ppl here are either full time or looking to become full time pressure washers. That isn't my intent. Unless that the money is so good that I start making more than my fulltime job 02/24/05 20:27:39 BethnRod: what do you do full time Brian? 02/24/05 20:28:21 Brian_Sawyer: I work for architectural firm that specializes in high end log and timber frame homes 02/24/05 20:28:30 Brian_Sawyer: www.mosscreek.net 02/24/05 20:28:31 BethnRod: really? 02/24/05 20:28:37 Mike_IN: how much does shipping average on a tub of percarb cleaner? 02/24/05 20:28:38 Brian_Sawyer: thats where I work 02/24/05 20:28:41 Russell_C: Brian-contact your local SBA and ask to speak to a score rep. 02/24/05 20:28:55 Brian_Sawyer: score rep? 02/24/05 20:29:21 Russell_C: They are vol. business councelors 02/24/05 20:29:25 Brian_Sawyer: oh 02/24/05 20:29:31 BethnRod: www.sba.org 02/24/05 20:29:39 Mike_IN: Brian, I'll take a log cabine in the smokey mountains 02/24/05 20:29:50 Mike_IN: cabin** 02/24/05 20:30:10 Brian_Sawyer: we only do big ones 02/24/05 20:30:12 BethnRod: Brian, if you have any builder contacts I would love to talk with you offline. 02/24/05 20:30:22 Mike_IN: I'll take a big one 02/24/05 20:30:43 Brian_Sawyer: I really don't beth. I just drawing the construction docs 02/24/05 20:30:54 BethnRod: bummer 02/24/05 20:31:01 Brian_Sawyer: my boss is the one that rubs elbows with the builders 02/24/05 20:31:17 Brian_Sawyer: I just sit behind a computer all day 02/24/05 20:33:17 scottk: Brian are yopu still looking at the magnum rig? 02/24/05 20:33:24 scottk: you 02/24/05 20:34:42 Brian_Sawyer: not sure 02/24/05 20:36:28 scottk: nothing wrong with starting small...a lot of people start with cold water machines and build up 02/24/05 20:36:30 Mike_IN: i need a ladder rack :( 02/24/05 20:36:32 Brian_Sawyer: thing about starting out alittle smaller 02/24/05 20:37:37 Mike_IN: Beth whats the average shiiping on a tub cost? 02/24/05 20:37:55 Mike_IN: shipping even 02/24/05 20:38:31 BethnRod: there is not an averge. depends on weight and where it is shipping from and to. 02/24/05 20:38:54 Mike_IN: ok 20 pounds to indy? 02/24/05 20:39:11 BethnRod: shouldn't run more thatn 15 bucks 02/24/05 20:39:25 Mike_IN: so 60 pounds would be around 45? 02/24/05 20:39:33 BethnRod: depends. 02/24/05 20:39:44 BethnRod: depends on how many boxes. 02/24/05 20:39:48 Mike_IN: oh ok 02/24/05 20:40:04 BethnRod: one box is cheaper, but then you get into hazmat issues 02/24/05 20:40:22 Mike_IN: I've just never had chems shipped so I wasent sure 02/24/05 20:40:28 BethnRod: but given differnet boxes 45 could be right 02/24/05 20:41:09 Mike_IN: weighing cost versus driving for them 9which is not anywhere close either) 02/24/05 20:41:36 Mike_IN: sorry cant type tonight, must be the white stuff outside getting to me :) 02/24/05 20:41:52 scottk: hahahaha Mike has cabin fever 02/24/05 20:42:12 BethnRod: its more cost effective to get a powder shipped to you. save your time for being in the field 02/24/05 20:42:18 Mike_IN: hey we might hit 40 degrees for a high tomorrow, thats a heat wave 02/24/05 20:43:07 Mike_IN: true beth, I dont have anywhere within a few hours of me to buy anything anyways 02/24/05 20:43:23 BethnRod: bingo 02/24/05 20:43:49 BethnRod: catch you guys later. have a fun chat. 02/24/05 20:43:54 BethnRod Logs Out 02/24/05 20:43:58 scottk: night Beth' 02/24/05 20:44:03 Rod Logs Out 02/24/05 20:44:19 Mike_IN: but then shipping cost can add up too? 02/24/05 20:44:27 Mike_IN: oh she left 02/24/05 20:44:30 Mike_IN: oh well 02/24/05 20:44:40 Mike_IN: i type to slow 02/24/05 20:44:57 Mike_IN: it would probably help if i used more then 2 fingers 02/24/05 20:45:03 Russell_C: Mike, I will help you in a sec 02/24/05 20:45:44 scottk: I hunt and peck also...I just do it fast 02/24/05 20:45:48 Mike_IN: so hows business scott? 02/24/05 20:46:38 Mike_IN: if it doesnt warm up soon I'll come down there and work for food, feed me sonnys bbq and i'll work all day 02/24/05 20:47:22 scottk: it's picking up...we have cleaned 2 McDonalds this month....a few houses and we have window washing accounts monthy and bi-weekly 02/24/05 20:47:58 scottk: we have 2 sonny's within 20 minutes 02/24/05 20:48:08 Russell_C: Mike, dod Beth answer your questions? 02/24/05 20:48:18 Mike_IN: pretty much 02/24/05 20:48:32 Mike_IN: just weighing the cost of shipping chems or driving for them 02/24/05 20:48:35 Russell_C: Alright, I was on the phone 02/24/05 20:48:47 Russell_C: Ahh, understandable 02/24/05 20:49:13 Russell_C: what do you have to get most often? 02/24/05 20:49:22 Russell_C: I saw mention of HazMat 02/24/05 20:49:50 Mike_IN: i can get most of them with ease, except wood cleaners, cant find them locally 02/24/05 20:50:24 Russell_C: Gotcha 02/24/05 20:50:43 Mike_IN: so I was weighing the cost 02/24/05 20:51:02 Mike_IN: your with extreme right? 02/24/05 20:51:02 Russell_C: Well, I would be better able to talk about ESI products 02/24/05 20:51:26 Mike_IN: whats typical shipping on a tub of powder 02/24/05 20:51:29 Mike_IN: for you 02/24/05 20:52:02 Russell_C: 10lb tub to California $9.60 02/24/05 20:52:28 Mike_IN: ao about a dollar a pound? 02/24/05 20:52:37 Mike_IN: ao = so 02/24/05 20:52:38 Russell_C: 40 lbs to Cali $27.70 02/24/05 20:53:08 Russell_C: I've found the best way to move product is by LTL trucklines 02/24/05 20:53:23 Mike_IN: is there any other charges? hazmat or anything? 02/24/05 20:53:38 Russell_C: I can ship a pallet load for less than $100.00 in most cases 02/24/05 20:54:23 Russell_C: We only charge the customer for the actual shipping plus $2.00 handling. Any other charges are transparent 02/24/05 20:54:42 Mike_IN: oh ok, thanks for the info russell :) 02/24/05 20:54:59 Russell_C: No problem 02/24/05 20:55:24 Russell_C: Do you have a commercial address? 02/24/05 20:55:31 scottk: that is rare...most peopel slap extra $$$$ on the line their pockets with...i commend you Russell 02/24/05 20:55:33 Mike_IN: po box 02/24/05 20:56:03 Russell_C: Thanks Scott 02/24/05 20:56:32 Mike_IN: to be honest i try and buy local when I can, i just cant find certain things local 02/24/05 20:56:35 Russell_C: Mike if you can find a business to accept your shipments you can really save on freight 02/24/05 20:57:17 Russell_C: I understand that if you would like, I can call your local supplier and see if they will carry the product for you. 02/24/05 20:57:40 Russell_C: Are there many contractors in your area? 02/24/05 20:57:52 Mike_IN: not really i live in a small town 02/24/05 20:58:10 Mike_IN: i have to drive to indy or lousiville for most things 02/24/05 20:58:13 Russell_C: Well, I can certinly give it a shot. 02/24/05 20:58:30 Mike_IN: louisville (still cant type tonight) 02/24/05 20:59:35 Russell_C: Do you work full time? 02/24/05 21:03:54 Russell_C: Are there any other questions? 02/24/05 21:04:12 Brian_Sawyer: ummm 02/24/05 21:04:25 scottk Logs Out 02/24/05 21:04:30 Russell_C: yes? 02/24/05 21:04:34 Brian_Sawyer: I know I can come up with one or tow 02/24/05 21:04:36 Brian_Sawyer: two 02/24/05 21:04:47 Russell_C: Sure makes the time go faster 02/24/05 21:04:54 Brian_Sawyer: lol 02/24/05 21:05:07 Brian_Sawyer: sorry, I'm actaully working on some drawings right now. 02/24/05 21:05:22 Brian_Sawyer: I got one 02/24/05 21:05:56 Brian_Sawyer: the insurance you got for pressure washing. does it cover you incase you actaully do damage something? 02/24/05 21:06:24 Russell_C: Yes 02/24/05 21:07:01 Russell_C: But I should say that more than likely you will never need it 02/24/05 21:07:22 Russell_C: Any time that we have ever damaged anything it was less than the cost of the deductable 02/24/05 21:08:30 Mike_IN Logs Out 02/24/05 21:08:31 Brian_Sawyer: what is a good amount to have 02/24/05 21:08:39 Brian_Sawyer: most ppl say 1 mil 02/24/05 21:08:53 Russell_C: That is what I was going to say 02/24/05 21:09:30 Russell_C Logs Out 02/24/05 21:14:02 Russell_C Logs in [172.157.28.4] 02/24/05 21:14:08 Russell_C: sorry about that 02/24/05 21:14:13 Brian_Sawyer: no problem 02/24/05 21:15:03 Russell_C: did you get the link I just sent you? 02/24/05 21:15:04 Brian_Sawyer: I got a quote from him yesterday 02/24/05 21:15:14 Russell_C: Ok 02/24/05 21:15:24 Russell_C: so you are on the right track 02/24/05 21:15:33 Brian_Sawyer: General Liability Occurrence Limit........................................................$ 1,000,000 The annual premium will be $ 898.00, plus a $ 75.00 brokers fee. 02/24/05 21:15:48 Russell_C: And there you go 02/24/05 21:16:17 Russell_C: You can expect that to drop significantly as you gain exp. 02/24/05 21:16:39 Brian_Sawyer: everone seams to say that 800 to 1200 per year is average 02/24/05 21:16:44 Brian_Sawyer: so I figure thats pretty good 02/24/05 21:17:01 Russell_C: Seems high to me 02/24/05 21:17:21 Russell_C: Does not suprise me for a new business 02/24/05 21:18:11 Russell_C: It is still well worth having 02/24/05 21:18:11 Brian_Sawyer: i've been invited to go out to Nashville to work with a guy thats be PWing for years. He said that I could work on a saturday with him to get some experince 02/24/05 21:18:25 Russell_C: Great 02/24/05 21:19:16 Brian_Sawyer: I've done some pressure washing around my house 02/24/05 21:19:24 Brian_Sawyer: nothing major 02/24/05 21:19:29 Russell_C: Did you have any other questions? 02/24/05 21:19:41 Brian_Sawyer: the big think is going to be learning the chems 02/24/05 21:20:05 Russell_C: Well, there you go. Now you are getting into my area 02/24/05 21:20:15 Russell_C: what would you like to know? 02/24/05 21:20:58 Brian_Sawyer: well just basics 02/24/05 21:21:11 Russell_C: What are you going to be cleaning? 02/24/05 21:21:30 Brian_Sawyer: like what type of chems would you use on vinyl siding 02/24/05 21:22:51 Russell_C: Many contractors will use car wash detergents 02/24/05 21:23:05 Russell_C: A lot of guys use bleach and dish soap 02/24/05 21:23:47 Brian_Sawyer: I would be alittle worried about using bleach 02/24/05 21:24:12 Russell_C: it's not the best thing to be slinging around 02/24/05 21:24:17 Brian_Sawyer: I've read the they use bleach when doing roofs 02/24/05 21:24:38 Russell_C: From what I understand that is not the best thing for the roof shingles 02/24/05 21:25:06 Russell_C: you would need to check with the manufacturer to see if there would be any warrenty issues 02/24/05 21:27:23 Russell_C: What else are you interested in? 02/24/05 21:28:55 Brian_Sawyer: right off the top of my head I can't think on anything. I'm working on a set of plans that have to be complete tomorrow. So my heads not 100% in it right now. lol 02/24/05 21:29:54 Brian_Sawyer: Thanks for the info, I was really wondering about the sole proprietor thing 02/24/05 21:30:00 Russell_C: Gotcha, well I am here 02/24/05 21:30:13 Russell_C: send me a bling or something to get my attention 02/24/05 21:30:29 Brian_Sawyer: I'll be posting more on the boards 02/24/05 21:31:04 Brian_Sawyer: this place gets quiet quik 02/24/05 21:34:48 Russell_C: It gets crowded some nights 02/24/05 21:35:19 Russell_C: Actually unless you've got any other questions, I think I am going to call it a night 02/24/05 21:36:34 Brian_Sawyer: no, can't think of any. Thanks of alot for the info. everything learn will help me 02/24/05 21:38:48 Russell_C: Alright Brian, best of luck to you. Feel free to give me a call any time. 02/24/05 21:39:04 Brian_Sawyer: thanks russell 02/24/05 21:39:12 Brian_Sawyer Logs Out 02/24/05 21:39:14 Russell_C: Have a good night 02/24/05 21:39:16 Russell_C Logs Out

Henry, Please share in the thread...content building makes it easier on the next guy... Beth

Jim, I know a percarb is gentler on wood that sodium hypochlorite is. Rod and I do have expereince. I also wish that as a proponenet of bleach you would give the ratios you use and share your methods. We have seen bleach damage first hand, and if someone doesn't know how to use a chem, any chem, to get desired results then it is better to err on the side of caution. We get fabulous results, we are not inexperienced, and we know what will harm wood. You say you know how to use bleach without harming the wood, fine. Share it then...better to share what you know about how to use it than to tell someone to use it and not tell how, which could result in improper application resulting in damage. Beth

Plleeeeeeaaase do not clean it with bleach. This is a soft wood, not a hard wood, and would be more detrimental to the soft fibers than if applied to hard wood. Beth

Mine! My guys go through a 2 week training before they can go out on their own. Only problem is, I have company sensitive info incorporated into ours. Best boot camp is hands on and substantiating info. I have taken the PWNA boot camp, passed it...twice...open book test...easy. Delco has one with Pete Marentay as the instructor. Dont know anything more than that. We do miss Chris Detter...he had a lot of enthusiasm for the trade. Others are...contractors coach, book/tape format Wolman certification ABR certification Rod~