Beth n Rod

Cool deal. I knew we could count on you. Give me a call this week. Beth

That's wonderful news! Let us know how we can help you get started down the road to success. Beth

That happened with Wolman Extreme too (product failure). People in northern areas especially had trouble. Beth

How do you define professionalism? What truly makes someone professional? What makes a company professional?

So do I :) Beth

These are really good product specials! Beth p.s. Russ, are you interested in writing a wood care article for Got Dirt?

All you hear in the news these days, other than the election ads, is how we are short on flu vaccines. Our local grocery stores have always had it in the past. Do you get a flu shot normally, how do you feel about the shortage this year? Beth

Do you think there is something going on that you don't know about? What do you think it is? Do you want to take a guess at it? Beth ... and.... Celeste

It's time to shut this one down.... look for the announcement in the next 30 minutes in it's own thread. Beth

02/17/05 17:06:00 Sky__Clean Logs in [65.94.233.85] 02/17/05 17:11:02 Sky__Clean Joins Subroom Town Meeting 02/17/05 17:11:05 Sky__Clean Logs Out 02/17/05 17:13:50 Sky__Clean Logs in [65.94.233.85] 02/17/05 17:13:57 Sky__Clean Logs Out 02/17/05 17:27:12 Skyclean Logs in [65.94.233.85] 02/17/05 17:27:25 Skyclean Logs Out 02/17/05 17:38:11 Skyclean Logs in [65.94.233.85] 02/17/05 17:38:32 Skyclean: can anyone in here heep me? 02/17/05 17:38:54 Skyclean Logs Out 02/17/05 19:32:46 Mike-IN Logs in [4.252.65.176] 02/17/05 19:32:53 Mike-IN Joins Subroom Town Meeting 02/17/05 19:33:07 Mike-IN Joins Subroom Town Meeting 02/17/05 19:33:14 Mike-IN Logs Out 02/17/05 20:05:50 scottK Logs in [68.154.64.172] 02/17/05 20:06:01 scottK Logs Out 02/17/05 20:06:47 scottk Logs in [68.154.64.172] 02/17/05 20:07:58 scottk Logs Out 02/17/05 20:13:49 scottk Logs in [68.154.64.172] 02/17/05 20:14:09 scottk Logs Out 02/17/05 20:28:39 scottk Logs in [68.154.64.172] 02/17/05 20:28:45 scottk Logs Out 02/17/05 20:29:02 MikeIN Logs in [4.252.69.181] 02/17/05 20:29:26 Quik_Carl Logs in [4.152.213.106] 02/17/05 20:29:58 MikeIN: hey carl 02/17/05 20:30:05 MikeIN: should be some others here soon 02/17/05 20:30:07 Quik_Carl: is there a chat 2nite? 02/17/05 20:30:18 MikeIN: yes 02/17/05 20:30:22 Quik_Carl: hi mike 02/17/05 20:30:26 MikeIN: should start in a few minutes 02/17/05 20:30:31 Quik_Carl: whats the topic 02/17/05 20:30:39 MikeIN: just a few of them a little late getting here 02/17/05 20:30:42 MikeIN: open topic 02/17/05 20:30:44 MikeIN: anything 02/17/05 20:31:08 Jeffrey_Robison Logs in [68.19.120.46] 02/17/05 20:31:08 Quik_Carl: ok thx 02/17/05 20:31:24 Quik_Carl: hey jeff 02/17/05 20:31:42 Jeffrey_Robison: Where'e everybody at 02/17/05 20:31:44 MikeIN: hey jeff 02/17/05 20:31:49 Jeffrey_Robison: Hello 02/17/05 20:31:56 MikeIN: they should be here shortly jeff 02/17/05 20:31:59 Jeffrey_Robison: Is this Carl Stout 02/17/05 20:32:14 Quik_Carl: no 02/17/05 20:32:19 Jeffrey_Robison: sorry 02/17/05 20:32:27 Quik_Carl: no problem 02/17/05 20:32:29 Jeffrey_Robison: still cold as hell in IN 02/17/05 20:32:37 Jeffrey_Robison: Where you from Carl 02/17/05 20:32:41 Quik_Carl: cold here in VA 02/17/05 20:33:05 Jeffrey_Robison Logs Out 02/17/05 20:33:09 MikeIN: yeah its cold here, It was wrm one day in the 60's then back to the high 20's and low 30's, someone was playing a joke on us 02/17/05 20:33:27 Quik_Carl: where are you at? 02/17/05 20:33:33 MikeIN: indiana 02/17/05 20:33:47 Quik_Carl: oh i thoght jeff was from IN 02/17/05 20:34:01 MikeIN: is he? cool 02/17/05 20:34:32 Quik_Carl: i dont know 02/17/05 20:34:40 Jeffrey_Robison Logs in [68.19.120.46] 02/17/05 20:34:41 MikeIN: so how long have you been PW? 02/17/05 20:34:45 MikeIN: welcome back Jeff 02/17/05 20:34:56 Quik_Carl: Jeff where u from? 02/17/05 20:35:06 Jeffrey_Robison: Hotlanta, GA 02/17/05 20:35:17 MikeIN: go braves :) 02/17/05 20:35:29 Quik_Carl: thats sunbrite territory 02/17/05 20:35:39 Jeffrey_Robison: Don't even follow the sport 02/17/05 20:35:50 MikeIN: they just had a big roundtable down there for the pwna I believe 02/17/05 20:35:57 Jeffrey_Robison: Yes Sunbrite is about 10 miles from me 02/17/05 20:36:06 Jeffrey_Robison: not big but it was good. 02/17/05 20:36:13 Quik_Carl: what happen to chris detter there? 02/17/05 20:36:30 Quik_Carl: i heard he left 02/17/05 20:36:40 Jeffrey_Robison: he was out before I really got into PW. have heard the name but know nothing 02/17/05 20:37:00 MikeIN: how did the playground cleaning go? 02/17/05 20:37:07 Jeffrey_Robison: easy money 02/17/05 20:37:25 scottk Logs in [68.154.64.172] 02/17/05 20:37:33 Jeffrey_Robison: Booked two more for this weekend. Referalls, meeting with corporate later this week 02/17/05 20:37:34 Quik_Carl: Aint no easy money here in VA 02/17/05 20:37:43 MikeIN: Big Scott :beerchug: 02/17/05 20:37:43 Jeffrey_Robison: BIG Scott in the house. 02/17/05 20:37:58 MikeIN: good job jeff 02/17/05 20:38:11 scottk: what's up 02/17/05 20:38:25 scottk: woof woof 02/17/05 20:38:30 Quik_Carl: hey scott where you from? 02/17/05 20:38:35 Jeffrey_Robison: I hope, not sure how the corporate will go. They just wanted to meet with me. 02/17/05 20:38:38 scottk: south georgia 02/17/05 20:38:59 MikeIN: could lead to a big contract jeff? 02/17/05 20:39:24 scottk: is this the day care centers Jeff? 02/17/05 20:39:27 Jeffrey_Robison: Not sure how big? Maybe just 2x a year for about 30 locations. 02/17/05 20:39:43 MikeIN: but like you said... easy money 02/17/05 20:39:55 Jeffrey_Robison: Yes, did you hear back from your daycares scott 02/17/05 20:40:32 scottk: I have to resubmit the bid...my contact quit or got fired haven't found out which yet 02/17/05 20:40:39 Jeffrey_Robison: Light bleach and a little light rinse. i just need to come up with something to take the black sccuff marks out 02/17/05 20:40:51 scottk: the new director is mich less friendly 02/17/05 20:40:57 scottk: much 02/17/05 20:41:14 MikeIN: try a degreaser? 02/17/05 20:41:27 Jeffrey_Robison: Directors think they rule the world. 02/17/05 20:41:33 scottk: butyl should get them out jeff 02/17/05 20:41:55 Jeffrey_Robison: I was afraid to put anything on too strong, thought it might harm the plastic. 02/17/05 20:42:12 scottk: purple power aded to your normal mix shoudl help alot 02/17/05 20:42:17 scottk: should 02/17/05 20:42:37 Jeffrey_Robison: Anybody ever had a transformer go out on their burner? 02/17/05 20:43:04 scottk: nope....that's why i bought a 120v machine...generator is more reliable 02/17/05 20:43:05 Jeffrey_Robison: How much, I will have to try that stuff out. I was also thinking some gutter zap?? 02/17/05 20:43:21 Quik_Carl: i never used hot water 02/17/05 20:43:32 Jeffrey_Robison: When I bought I knew nothing(and still know very little) 02/17/05 20:44:35 Jeffrey_Robison: The generator runs off your motor, correct? 02/17/05 20:45:00 scottk: gutter zap will work...i would add about 3 or 4 cups per 5 gallon mix 02/17/05 20:45:08 Sky__Clean Logs in [65.94.237.82] 02/17/05 20:45:18 MikeIN: hello sky clean 02/17/05 20:45:25 scottk: yes the generator runs off the engine 02/17/05 20:45:31 Sky__Clean: hi everyone 02/17/05 20:45:37 Quik_Carl: hello 02/17/05 20:45:44 Jeffrey_Robison: Looking at another unit that is like that 02/17/05 20:46:19 Sky__Clean: so whats everyone up to 2ight? 02/17/05 20:46:21 Jeffrey_Robison: Mike, sky and carl, are you guys full time? 02/17/05 20:46:34 Quik_Carl: Full time here 02/17/05 20:46:44 Sky__Clean: no yet, I am just leanring, I need all the help!!!!! 02/17/05 20:46:57 MikeIN: if things go well this year like last year, I will be full time within a year. now I am still PT 02/17/05 20:47:03 Sky__Clean: i have not started yet, but hopign to int he next month 02/17/05 20:47:04 Jeffrey_Robison: Sky, where are you from 02/17/05 20:47:08 Sky__Clean: Toronto 02/17/05 20:47:16 Quik_Carl: this is my 6th year 02/17/05 20:47:17 Sky__Clean: where is every1 elese from? 02/17/05 20:47:26 Jeffrey_Robison: Atlanta 02/17/05 20:47:27 MikeIN: indiana 02/17/05 20:47:40 scottk: southwest georgia 02/17/05 20:47:43 Quik_Carl: va 02/17/05 20:47:46 Sky__Clean: Guys, can I ask your opinion? 02/17/05 20:47:55 scottk: shoot 02/17/05 20:47:55 Jeffrey_Robison: fire away 02/17/05 20:47:58 MikeIN: if you think you can handle it? :) 02/17/05 20:48:11 Jeffrey_Robison: YOU can"t handle THE truth! 02/17/05 20:48:18 scottk: lol 02/17/05 20:48:32 MikeIN: did you order the code red? 02/17/05 20:48:43 Sky__Clean: ok i am back 02/17/05 20:48:45 Jeffrey_Robison: code red? 02/17/05 20:48:47 Sky__Clean: I am looking for a machine 02/17/05 20:49:00 MikeIN: what was it called... nm... 02/17/05 20:49:08 Sky__Clean: I was already told to stick with Belt driven machine 02/17/05 20:49:18 Quik_Carl: cold or hot 02/17/05 20:49:23 Sky__Clean: Hot 02/17/05 20:49:34 Quik_Carl: that counts me out 02/17/05 20:49:35 Sky__Clean: what do you guys have 02/17/05 20:49:42 MikeIN: cold 02/17/05 20:49:46 Sky__Clean: why not hot? 02/17/05 20:49:48 Quik_Carl: i have a cold 02/17/05 20:49:50 scottk: Hot 02/17/05 20:49:54 Jeffrey_Robison: Landa 3.8 hot/cold water jet surface cleaner 02/17/05 20:49:56 MikeIN: i dont do much commercial flat work 02/17/05 20:50:06 Quik_Carl: depends on what you wash? 02/17/05 20:50:19 Sky__Clean: i would like to get into fleets (trucks( 02/17/05 20:50:28 Jeffrey_Robison: no help here 02/17/05 20:50:29 Quik_Carl: you need hot then 02/17/05 20:50:39 MikeIN: you want to go for DI water then 02/17/05 20:50:42 scottk: get the hotwater...from what the fleet guys say it's a must 02/17/05 20:50:45 Jeffrey_Robison: scott, you do a lot of flat work 02/17/05 20:50:48 Quik_Carl: i wash decks hoses and driveways only 02/17/05 20:50:56 scottk: we do a fair amount 02/17/05 20:51:09 Sky__Clean: Carl, what do you use for flat work? 02/17/05 20:51:13 Sky__Clean: equipement? 02/17/05 20:51:18 Quik_Carl: i dont do it 02/17/05 20:51:30 Sky__Clean: I mean Jeff 02/17/05 20:51:31 Jeffrey_Robison: I am bidding just washing 3 decks this weekend, not sure what to charge. 02/17/05 20:51:38 MikeIN: Sky, check out a DI system for rinsing if you plan on doing alot of fleet work 02/17/05 20:51:42 scottk: we have a 16" & 30" surface cleaner 02/17/05 20:52:02 Jeffrey_Robison: A landa adjustable water jet 02/17/05 20:52:07 Quik_Carl: have you washed a deck b4? 02/17/05 20:52:10 MikeIN: unless you like drying that is :) 02/17/05 20:52:13 Jeffrey_Robison: I think it is 24" 02/17/05 20:52:19 Jeffrey_Robison: yes but I hated it. 02/17/05 20:52:30 scottk: just washing I would bid them about $.90 a sq ft 02/17/05 20:52:38 Quik_Carl: is it already sealed or what/ 02/17/05 20:52:44 Sky__Clean: has the 16, and 30 been efficent for you? 02/17/05 20:52:50 Jeffrey_Robison: I think they are painted and he wants them cleaned so he can paint them agian 02/17/05 20:53:03 scottk: i prefer the 16" on small jobs 02/17/05 20:53:21 scottk: the 30" is great for open areas 02/17/05 20:53:24 Quik_Carl: well be clear with your customer that u are not stripping the deck 02/17/05 20:53:36 Jeffrey_Robison: just cleaning 02/17/05 20:53:37 Sky__Clean: have you guys ever done roofs?> 02/17/05 20:53:56 Jeffrey_Robison: not yet, looking into it. 02/17/05 20:54:10 scottk: Oh painted.....still charge the same......you can use your housewash mix 02/17/05 20:54:11 Quik_Carl: i would charge around 2 a square foot 02/17/05 20:54:32 Jeffrey_Robison: Just to clean, spray and kill the mold? 02/17/05 20:54:47 MikeIN: Sky, I would maybe pick a couple areas to get started in and educate yourself on those first, you dont want to spread yourself to thin offering so many different services when starting. 02/17/05 20:54:49 Sky__Clean: what is DI water guys? 02/17/05 20:55:06 Sky__Clean: good advice 02/17/05 20:55:17 scottk: deionized water...it has all teh impurities removed 02/17/05 20:55:26 Quik_Carl: yes ---you have something against making money 02/17/05 20:55:29 MikeIN: DI = de ionized water, gives you a spot free rinse 02/17/05 20:55:30 Jeffrey_Robison: very good advise. I have only been doing it about a year and am looking into too many different areas 02/17/05 20:55:44 Sky__Clean: how do you achieve that 02/17/05 20:56:19 Sky__Clean: so you dont have to wipe it down? 02/17/05 20:56:34 Jeffrey_Robison: I has 3 decks on one house, plus I will be doing his daycare center. I might be looking at $500.00 jus tfor the decks 02/17/05 20:56:54 BethnRod Logs in [63.159.80.18] 02/17/05 20:57:00 MikeIN: Hey beth :) 02/17/05 20:57:05 BethnRod: hi all. 02/17/05 20:57:12 Quik_Carl: i dont know what size decks they are? 02/17/05 20:57:15 BethnRod: Sorry - pc troubles here. 02/17/05 20:57:18 Quik_Carl: hi beth 02/17/05 20:57:24 BethnRod: hi :) 02/17/05 20:57:28 MikeIN: no problem we started ourselves 02/17/05 20:57:31 scottk: what the sq footage Jeff? 02/17/05 20:57:45 Jeffrey_Robison: Not sure, going to bid Sunday. 02/17/05 20:57:59 Sky__Clean: if you dont use DI water, do you have to wipe it down then? 02/17/05 20:58:17 MikeIN: Sky, the fleet guys I've talked to say you dont really need to dry a car when using DI water, it saves you alot of time 02/17/05 20:58:18 Sky__Clean: hi beth 02/17/05 20:58:29 BethnRod: Hi ! Glad you could make it. 02/17/05 20:58:40 scottk: sky you can add a rinse aid but DI or soft water is the fastest most cost effective way to do it 02/17/05 20:58:54 MikeIN: color change so beth & I dont blend together :) 02/17/05 20:59:06 Sky__Clean: but does DI water cost alot? 02/17/05 20:59:34 MikeIN: the system can be expensive, but if you doing many fleets it will pay for itself in time like anything you buy 02/17/05 20:59:36 Quik_Carl: whats the topic tonite beth 02/17/05 20:59:36 scottk: $.08 a gallon 02/17/05 20:59:53 BethnRod: its open topic. whatever you want to talk about. 02/17/05 21:00:47 scottk: Beth are you making your annoucement in the AM 02/17/05 21:00:54 Sky__Clean: guys I have to take off for about 30 minutes, will you guys still be here? 02/17/05 21:00:55 BethnRod: sometime tomorrow.... 02/17/05 21:01:02 Jeffrey_Robison: recovery? anybody do it? 02/17/05 21:01:08 Sky__Clean: I will be back 02/17/05 21:01:28 scottk: i kow a guy with a vaccubroom for sale 02/17/05 21:01:30 scottk: know 02/17/05 21:01:32 MikeIN: Jeff, thats the reason I dont do alot of commercial work, I want to be able to recover when I do and I'm not set up to 02/17/05 21:01:42 Jeffrey_Robison: IN GA 02/17/05 21:01:53 Sky__Clean: how much is the vaccubroom? 02/17/05 21:01:53 scottk: yes 02/17/05 21:01:55 Jeffrey_Robison: Just recovery or recycly 02/17/05 21:02:17 scottk: I can fidn out tomorrow...he just mentioned it to me yesterday 02/17/05 21:02:22 MikeIN: alan in CA has a nice setup where he recycles and re uses his dirty water 02/17/05 21:02:27 Quik_Carl: Beth are you going to be using the wood tux wet this year? 02/17/05 21:02:36 Jeffrey_Robison: Please let me know 02/17/05 21:02:39 BethnRod: yes 02/17/05 21:02:40 scottk: will do 02/17/05 21:02:55 Jeffrey_Robison: Some what interested. 02/17/05 21:03:09 Jeffrey_Robison: As you know that was a topic of discussion last week. 02/17/05 21:03:18 scottk: The guy just lost A $1500 a week fleet account 02/17/05 21:03:28 MikeIN: wow 02/17/05 21:03:34 MikeIN: that sucks 02/17/05 21:03:43 Quik_Carl: how many coats do u need with that wt wet? 02/17/05 21:03:47 Jeffrey_Robison: That hurts, it seems like you can live or die by the fleet accts. 02/17/05 21:04:01 BethnRod: i'll catch you guys later. 02/17/05 21:04:19 Quik_Carl: nite 02/17/05 21:04:19 BethnRod: tomorrow is..Friday :) 02/17/05 21:04:24 scottk: he's looking for others to pick up....not sure why he wants to sell the VB...fleets are the only area we have strict enforement around here 02/17/05 21:04:33 BethnRod Logs Out 02/17/05 21:04:47 MikeIN: so qucikly beth? 02/17/05 21:04:53 MikeIN: oh shes gone 02/17/05 21:05:30 Quik_Carl: any of u guys doing decks ---if so what is your sealer of choice 02/17/05 21:05:40 Jeffrey_Robison: no decks here 02/17/05 21:05:45 MikeIN: shes missing my big announcement :) 02/17/05 21:05:48 scottk: I would like to hera more about the reclaim issues brought up at the meeting in Atl 02/17/05 21:05:54 Jeffrey_Robison: I mean I don't do them 02/17/05 21:06:07 Jeffrey_Robison: Supposedly they are going to be enforced shortly 02/17/05 21:06:29 Jeffrey_Robison: What is your big announcement? 02/17/05 21:06:34 scottk: yeah...and there is a force pushing harder than ever 02/17/05 21:06:46 MikeIN: small town here, not much laws 02/17/05 21:06:50 Jeffrey_Robison: What is that force? 02/17/05 21:07:14 scottk: in populations over 50k the enforcement is different 02/17/05 21:07:25 scottk: pwna 02/17/05 21:07:36 MikeIN: less then 30 k here 02/17/05 21:07:43 Jeffrey_Robison: You are probably correct scott 02/17/05 21:08:12 scottk: the local authorities call me whne they have question about what can and can not go into the storm drain 02/17/05 21:08:27 Quik_Carl: nice talking with u guys ----have a good nite 02/17/05 21:08:36 MikeIN: nothing can, just storm water 02/17/05 21:08:50 Jeffrey_Robison: I talked to my local town guy yesterday about getting put on bid list and it was the first question 02/17/05 21:08:58 scottk: they know now 02/17/05 21:08:59 Quik_Carl Logs Out 02/17/05 21:09:24 Jeffrey_Robison: I was very surprised 02/17/05 21:09:39 scottk: there are some cost effective ways to filter to the sanitary sewer 02/17/05 21:09:58 scottk: if you can get permission 02/17/05 21:10:06 Jeffrey_Robison: I had a local guy tell me that as long as water is the only thing being used, It was fine, doing mohter natures work 02/17/05 21:10:39 scottk: that's not correct.......nothing but rain water is how the CWA reads 02/17/05 21:10:45 MikeIN: laws are different everywhere 02/17/05 21:10:50 Jeffrey_Robison: He does a lot of gas stations and said he does not carry anything on his truck while doing the stations 02/17/05 21:11:15 MikeIN: but theres still gas and oil on the concrete 02/17/05 21:11:18 Jeffrey_Robison: I did not believe him, but he thinks that is the law 02/17/05 21:11:24 MikeIN: and you would was that into the storm drain 02/17/05 21:11:24 scottk: wash water with no chems still contains oils,mold,mildew etc. these are considered pollutants 02/17/05 21:11:41 Jeffrey_Robison: I know 02/17/05 21:12:03 Jeffrey_Robison: be back in a minute 02/17/05 21:12:16 scottk: some guys will never believe you ..... 02/17/05 21:12:18 MikeIN: you can simple put plastic over the storm drain and sandbags, and divert the water to the grass 02/17/05 21:13:31 MikeIN: as long as it goes to the grass and not in the storm drain your fine, you dont "have" to haul it away 02/17/05 21:14:10 scottk: it should be filtered for solids of it;s going to the sanitary sewer 02/17/05 21:15:27 MikeIN: but then again thats why I said I dont do alot of commercial flatwork now, I want to be set up to recover first. 02/17/05 21:15:58 MikeIN: fleet washing too 02/17/05 21:16:54 MikeIN: scott, does don sell the "phelps wand" yet :) 02/17/05 21:17:08 scottk: we do a commercial often...it's not as hard as people make it out to be 02/17/05 21:17:39 MikeIN: theres so much residential work to do here it keeps a part time guy very busy 02/17/05 21:17:42 scottk: no...he's not producing them yet...you can copy the design from the post he has made on the BBS 02/17/05 21:17:58 MikeIN: I saw the post, he should patent it 02/17/05 21:18:34 scottk: something him and I have talked about before 02/17/05 21:18:59 scottk: he's considered the roof guru by most that know him 02/17/05 21:19:01 MikeIN: for us "not very mechanical" kinda guys that would much rather buy one 02/17/05 21:19:20 MikeIN: i've seen photos of his work, he's awesome on the roofs 02/17/05 21:19:54 scottk: i build one....it's easy once you get the parts together 02/17/05 21:21:29 MikeIN: now if I can just get someone to build a "gutter vac" i'd be set 02/17/05 21:21:35 scottk: he is more than willingto help people get set up to do roofs....pick his brain 02/17/05 21:21:48 Jeffrey_Robison: Scott, you interested in the work posted by Van deisel? 02/17/05 21:21:59 scottk: the $$$ isn't very good 02/17/05 21:22:05 scottk: and lots of travel 02/17/05 21:22:14 Jeffrey_Robison: Seems like a lot of work for not much $ 02/17/05 21:22:19 scottk: $125 per location isn't enough 02/17/05 21:22:25 MikeIN: gutters are good money here, alot of season change here 02/17/05 21:22:40 MikeIN: 125 dollars for 30 minutes work 02/17/05 21:22:43 MikeIN: is not good? 02/17/05 21:23:02 Jeffrey_Robison: Different topic Mike 02/17/05 21:23:08 MikeIN: oh 02/17/05 21:23:14 Jeffrey_Robison: A chain of gas stations. 02/17/05 21:23:16 scottk: gas station flatwork mike 02/17/05 21:23:20 MikeIN: oh ok 02/17/05 21:23:28 MikeIN: uh that is low 02/17/05 21:23:42 Jeffrey_Robison: Not many around ATL I don't think 02/17/05 21:23:52 scottk: if I could bid them for myself them maybe.....we would need double what he is doing for sure 02/17/05 21:24:43 scottk: I don't know of any around here either 02/17/05 21:25:03 MikeIN: you guys ever try the "flat hose" for your water line? it rolls up and takes up no room at all, but now shure how it would work under the abuse of day to day wear & tear 02/17/05 21:25:12 MikeIN: sure ** 02/17/05 21:25:18 Jeffrey_Robison: Do you get most of your work by just "knocking on doors" or do you advertise much 02/17/05 21:25:26 Sky__Clean: hi guys 02/17/05 21:25:46 MikeIN: newspaper ads and people walking up to me while doing neighbors house 02/17/05 21:25:53 scottk: we do a little of everything......i like direct mail 02/17/05 21:25:59 Jeffrey_Robison: I have thought about the roll up hose. I have one at work 100" is about 18" in diameter. 02/17/05 21:26:05 Sky__Clean: has anyone cleaned Garbage trucks? 02/17/05 21:26:26 MikeIN: yellow page ads are expensive 02/17/05 21:26:39 Jeffrey_Robison: I like very targeted direct mail, to a specific group of business 02/17/05 21:27:04 MikeIN: the area i live in, everyone gets their local news from the paper, so it's a good place to advertise, it seems everyone reads it daily 02/17/05 21:27:05 Jeffrey_Robison: Mike, newspaper ads, or the service directories 02/17/05 21:27:22 Sky__Clean: does anyone know anybody that cleans garbage trucks? 02/17/05 21:27:24 scottk: we have been doing unsolicited bids on residential......we price out ercommended item seprately adn the offer a package price for all......leave it on teh front door with a business card 02/17/05 21:27:41 Jeffrey_Robison: I am seriously thinking about running a 1"x4" ad for a month in the county paper 02/17/05 21:28:04 MikeIN: well this is a small paper jeff, it would be more of a service directory 02/17/05 21:28:12 Sky__Clean Logs Out 02/17/05 21:28:13 scottk: sorry Sky no one i know 02/17/05 21:28:19 MikeIN: no garbage truck cleaning here sky, it stinks :) 02/17/05 21:28:48 Jeffrey_Robison: A daily circulation of 64,000 and Sunday 105,000 02/17/05 21:29:14 MikeIN: I would give it a try jeff, with spring cleaning on peoples minds it would jump out and grab them 02/17/05 21:29:41 scottk: get in tight with the editor Jeff..see if you can trade 6 months for a driveway wash or housewash 02/17/05 21:29:43 Jeffrey_Robison: thats what I think its only 480 a month and one or two jobs would cover it. 02/17/05 21:29:43 MikeIN: this may sound funny but 02/17/05 21:30:03 MikeIN: i actually got a good response hanging a flyer with phone numbers in the local grocery store 02/17/05 21:30:13 Jeffrey_Robison: What was your big announce ment mike 02/17/05 21:30:31 scottk: we traded a driveway for a full year in the newspaper here last year 02/17/05 21:30:37 Jeffrey_Robison: What ever works. I love guerilla marketing 02/17/05 21:30:42 MikeIN: good idea scott ;) 02/17/05 21:30:54 MikeIN: its called bartering right? 02/17/05 21:30:55 Jeffrey_Robison: did it get you much work. 02/17/05 21:31:09 scottk: 3 jobs 02/17/05 21:31:31 Jeffrey_Robison: From a year? 02/17/05 21:31:35 scottk: but it put our name in front of potentail customets 02/17/05 21:31:44 Jeffrey_Robison: Exactly! 02/17/05 21:31:47 scottk: $2000 02/17/05 21:32:01 Jeffrey_Robison: The guy said you ad wants to create a need for your service. 02/17/05 21:32:02 MikeIN: i guess it depends on your area, like I said everyone reads the paper here for the local news, no tv stations here, so the paper works in this area 02/17/05 21:32:07 scottk: triple what i would have charged for teh driveway 02/17/05 21:32:26 Jeffrey_Robison: good deal for you 02/17/05 21:32:34 scottk: we did a 30 second business spotlight with the local NBC station ran it 2 times 02/17/05 21:33:30 scottk: we are donatng a housewash to the Relay for Life...they are going to raffle it off as a fund raiser 02/17/05 21:33:53 MikeIN: my big announcement, I guess you can call it more of a little announcement :) 02/17/05 21:34:10 Jeffrey_Robison: I did that for my church, It was an auction, brought the church a lousy 75.00 02/17/05 21:34:12 MikeIN: is that a race? 02/17/05 21:34:16 scottk: $125 value (up to 2000sq ft single story house) 02/17/05 21:34:26 Jeffrey_Robison: Baby? 02/17/05 21:34:35 scottk: fund raiser for cancer research 02/17/05 21:34:43 MikeIN: awesome 02/17/05 21:35:38 Jeffrey_Robison: Mike you having a baby 02/17/05 21:35:46 MikeIN: Scott do you have sonnys bbq down there? 02/17/05 21:35:57 scottk: ye swe do mike 02/17/05 21:35:57 Jeffrey_Robison: They are all over the place in ATL 02/17/05 21:36:01 scottk: yes 02/17/05 21:36:13 MikeIN: you cant get good bbq north of the mason dixon line 02/17/05 21:36:15 MikeIN: it sucks 02/17/05 21:36:30 MikeIN: it was some dang good grub 02/17/05 21:36:35 scottk: lol 02/17/05 21:36:46 Jeffrey_Robison: Sonny's aint that good, you gotta find a shack on the side of the road, that is where the good stuff is 02/17/05 21:36:47 MikeIN: can you send me a weekly doggy bag? 02/17/05 21:37:12 MikeIN: all you can eat ribs and chicken taste good any day to me jeff 02/17/05 21:37:43 Jeffrey_Robison: there is a place up here, unreal, old guy just opens when he wants to. But when he is it is goood. 02/17/05 21:37:52 scottk: jeff is right the small places are way better 02/17/05 21:38:27 MikeIN: i dont think they know what bbq is up here, and god forbid someone actually make ice tea with sugar for once up here 02/17/05 21:38:38 MikeIN: so I need to get down there again soon 02/17/05 21:38:44 Jeffrey_Robison: unsweet tea is unamerican 02/17/05 21:39:03 Jeffrey_Robison: It even has a communist taste to it. 02/17/05 21:39:14 scottk: they should be shot 02/17/05 21:39:23 MikeIN: asked a waitress for sweet tea up here, she said she had none but i could add sweet in low to it.. told here that 02/17/05 21:39:37 MikeIN: all the sweet n low in the world cant take the yankee out of this iced tea 02/17/05 21:39:43 Jeffrey_Robison: Splenda is the bomb if you are watching the calories. 02/17/05 21:40:20 MikeIN: umm i have to much invested in this to be counting calories now 02/17/05 21:40:33 scottk: mike you do know how to make sweet tea don't ya?????? 02/17/05 21:40:51 Jeffrey_Robison: Scott give me a holla if you find out more on the vacuboom system, I am real serious if the price is right. 02/17/05 21:40:52 MikeIN: hows that? 02/17/05 21:41:10 scottk: will do jeff 02/17/05 21:41:52 Jeffrey_Robison: I make mine in a coffee pot, takes about 10 minutes. 02/17/05 21:42:27 scottk: put 1 large family tea bag in a small pot fill with water boil on stove.por into 1 gallon jug add 1 cup of sugar and fill to the top with water...put in frige 02/17/05 21:42:43 scottk: pour 02/17/05 21:42:55 MikeIN: 3 cups of sugar, got ya :) 02/17/05 21:43:04 Jeffrey_Robison: Lighweight 02/17/05 21:43:35 scottk: jeffs way works alos...just make sure you clean the filetr holder and pot well or it tastes like coffee 02/17/05 21:43:36 MikeIN: 6'2" 240lbs is not a lightweight 02/17/05 21:43:39 scottk: also 02/17/05 21:43:45 scottk: lightweight 02/17/05 21:43:56 scottk: 6' 290lbs 02/17/05 21:44:09 Jeffrey_Robison: 5'8" 255 powerlifter 02/17/05 21:44:20 Jeffrey_Robison: Scott is a big dude. 02/17/05 21:44:29 scottk: jeff has seen me in person...he'll tell you ...i can sell shade 02/17/05 21:44:37 MikeIN: he's got more tattoos then me too 02/17/05 21:44:51 scottk: just 7 02/17/05 21:44:59 MikeIN: 2 here 02/17/05 21:45:05 scottk: both ears pierced also 02/17/05 21:45:08 Jeffrey_Robison: No tatoos here, I'm just too dang pretty without them 02/17/05 21:45:11 MikeIN: just call me mini scott 02/17/05 21:45:40 Jeffrey_Robison: What is your full time job Mike 02/17/05 21:45:40 scottk: don't wear them often the old ladies freak out when i come to the door with them in 02/17/05 21:46:26 scottk: too pretty????.......your wife won't let you have a tat Jeff..........lol........joking 02/17/05 21:46:39 Sky__Clean Logs in [65.94.237.82] 02/17/05 21:46:41 Jeffrey_Robison: Never had the urge 02/17/05 21:46:45 MikeIN: service for soft drink 02/17/05 21:46:54 Sky__Clean: hi every1 02/17/05 21:47:02 MikeIN: hello sky 02/17/05 21:47:03 Jeffrey_Robison: Just so permanent 02/17/05 21:47:25 MikeIN: i got mine years ago, when I was young and dumb 02/17/05 21:47:25 Jeffrey_Robison: Gotta go, See you guys later. 02/17/05 21:47:48 Sky__Clean: so guys, has anyone herd of the machine called Epps? 02/17/05 21:47:49 scottk: got mine a few years ago..all 7 in 12 months 02/17/05 21:47:59 Sky__Clean: thats the one I am plannign to buyy 02/17/05 21:48:06 scottk: Epps makes good equipment from what ihave heard 02/17/05 21:48:10 MikeIN: mid life crisis scott? 02/17/05 21:48:24 Jeffrey_Robison: Everyone just thought the barbed wire would look great when they were 50 02/17/05 21:48:31 scottk: naw...got rid of teh ex that said NO 02/17/05 21:49:03 scottk: tribal ...no barbed wire...that is a prison tat 02/17/05 21:49:04 MikeIN: :D 02/17/05 21:49:29 Sky__Clean: from you guys experince, whats the best machine out there? 02/17/05 21:49:33 MikeIN: you should get a wand on your bicep 02/17/05 21:49:40 Jeffrey_Robison: Saturday night live did a skit on lower back tattoos. 02/17/05 21:49:45 MikeIN: from what i hear, hydrotek 02/17/05 21:49:49 scottk: we have Largo...out of TN 02/17/05 21:50:07 scottk: i saw that skit...was rolling in the floor laughing 02/17/05 21:50:17 Jeffrey_Robison: It showed a dramatization of "pretty lady" drooping into "Pretty sad" after about 20 Years. 02/17/05 21:51:04 scottk: they are all basically build from the same components Sky...the manufactures put the parts on their frames and sell them under their name 02/17/05 21:51:09 Jeffrey_Robison: What about the surprise from Jamaica at the end. 02/17/05 21:51:22 scottk: too funny 02/17/05 21:52:00 Jeffrey_Robison: IS hydrotek a good brand, I have my eye on a 8gpm right now. 02/17/05 21:52:24 scottk: a little on the pricey side but good from what I have heard 02/17/05 21:52:29 MikeIN: i think thats what my next unit will be 02/17/05 21:52:35 Jeffrey_Robison: Big truck, good price. Just not sure if I want to go in that deep just yet 02/17/05 21:52:39 scottk: jeff are you looking for new or used machine 02/17/05 21:52:46 Jeffrey_Robison: Used at a steal 02/17/05 21:53:13 Jeffrey_Robison: Not a good deal, but a I'm loosing my rear kind of deal. 02/17/05 21:53:42 Jeffrey_Robison: Only 140 hours, and a big box truck. 02/17/05 21:53:55 scottk: price???? 02/17/05 21:54:08 Jeffrey_Robison: Not that I would ever need it but 1000 gallon water capacity. 02/17/05 21:54:18 Jeffrey_Robison: Negotiating 02/17/05 21:54:23 MikeIN: thats alot of weight 02/17/05 21:54:39 Jeffrey_Robison: Big Ford 700 box truck 02/17/05 21:54:51 scottk: year??? 02/17/05 21:54:56 Jeffrey_Robison: 1998 02/17/05 21:55:12 scottk: mileage..wil you need a cdl? 02/17/05 21:55:15 scottk: will 02/17/05 21:55:23 Jeffrey_Robison: 77K, nope 02/17/05 21:56:09 Jeffrey_Robison: big investment, but a good write off as well, I get killed on taxes. 02/17/05 21:56:25 scottk: $14,000 orhigher i'm guesssing 02/17/05 21:56:57 Jeffrey_Robison: Possibly 12,000, is he comes to 12,000 more than likely it';s a deal. 02/17/05 21:57:06 Jeffrey_Robison: IF 02/17/05 21:57:09 scottk: lol 02/17/05 21:57:21 Jeffrey_Robison: What's that look for 02/17/05 21:57:21 scottk: what else besides the machien and truck? 02/17/05 21:57:25 scottk: machine 02/17/05 21:57:59 Jeffrey_Robison: Surface cleaner, Hannay triple stack reels, huge ladder other accessories 02/17/05 21:58:04 Brian_Sawyer Logs in [68.209.234.247] 02/17/05 21:58:21 Jeffrey_Robison: Nice to meet you Saturday Brian 02/17/05 21:58:24 scottk: it sounds like a deal @12k 02/17/05 21:58:42 MikeIN: offer him 11k 02/17/05 21:58:45 MikeIN: :D 02/17/05 21:58:50 Brian_Sawyer: It was great meeting you too jeff 02/17/05 21:58:51 Jeffrey_Robison: A deal, but not sure if its a steal or not. 02/17/05 21:59:16 Jeffrey_Robison: Brian give me a call, I have a unit you might be interested in, It would be great for starting out. 02/17/05 21:59:26 Brian_Sawyer: are things allready winding down? 02/17/05 21:59:35 Jeffrey_Robison: I am about to be out. 02/17/05 21:59:43 scottk: yeah if the truck is sound mechanically and the equipment has been maintained it is 02/17/05 22:00:07 MikeIN: box trucks can be a rolling billboard for your company also 02/17/05 22:00:13 MikeIN: if you get it lettered 02/17/05 22:00:20 Jeffrey_Robison: He says it has. I just don't know if I have the need for such a beast right now. 02/17/05 22:00:26 Jeffrey_Robison: My thoughts exactly 02/17/05 22:00:47 scottk: it is a lot of vehicle 02/17/05 22:00:56 Jeffrey_Robison: I'm a lot of MAN 02/17/05 22:00:59 Brian_Sawyer: I'll give you a call when you leave the chat. 02/17/05 22:01:09 Brian_Sawyer: lol 02/17/05 22:01:21 Jeffrey_Robison: tomorrow would be better, do you have the # 02/17/05 22:01:24 scottk: will it be easyto access the houses and other places you clean with it??? 02/17/05 22:01:30 Brian_Sawyer: yeah you gave it to me 02/17/05 22:01:33 Brian_Sawyer: I have your card 02/17/05 22:01:45 Jeffrey_Robison: I think so. park on the road and go to work. 02/17/05 22:02:03 Jeffrey_Robison: I think it would make me more competitive in the commercial market 02/17/05 22:02:11 Brian_Sawyer: I have a question for you guys 02/17/05 22:02:13 MikeIN: where would a ladder go? 02/17/05 22:02:24 Jeffrey_Robison: Inside walls 02/17/05 22:02:37 Brian_Sawyer: when you get insured, does that include your equipment and your truck? 02/17/05 22:02:45 Jeffrey_Robison: It has the rack already. 02/17/05 22:02:57 scottk: you can include it Brian...it's called inland marine 02/17/05 22:03:11 Jeffrey_Robison: Joe walters offered the insurance on the equip. I declined 02/17/05 22:03:24 scottk: teh additional charge is figured on the value of your equipment 02/17/05 22:03:40 MikeIN: if you store it at home, you can extend your home owners ins 02/17/05 22:03:43 Brian_Sawyer: what about the truck or van that you use for work 02/17/05 22:04:09 MikeIN: but you would still need liabilty ins 02/17/05 22:04:27 scottk: we pay one price because we use it for the business and personal use 02/17/05 22:05:03 Jeffrey_Robison: I have a truck only for work, I just carry it under my regular policy. 02/17/05 22:05:28 scottk: homeowners doesn't cover theft while on a job...that's where inland marine comes into play 02/17/05 22:05:48 MikeIN: i carry all my ins, persoanl & business from one company, you get discounts that way 02/17/05 22:06:02 Brian_Sawyer: I would be using if for business and personal. I wondering if I'm going to have to get a special policy for the truck or is it covered under the insurance of the business 02/17/05 22:06:03 MikeIN: good point scott 02/17/05 22:06:25 Jeffrey_Robison: see you guys later. Give me a call brian, I am thinking of biggie sizing and selling my starter righ. W 02/17/05 22:06:37 MikeIN: it all depends on your policy your ins guy writes for you 02/17/05 22:06:45 Brian_Sawyer: I'll call you tomoorow 02/17/05 22:06:46 MikeIN: it could include or not incl;ude just about anything 02/17/05 22:06:51 Jeffrey_Robison: starter rig. Machine, surface cleaner and ulitity body truck 02/17/05 22:07:03 Jeffrey_Robison: hoses, etc. 02/17/05 22:07:14 MikeIN: i've been looking at utl body trucks 02/17/05 22:07:56 MikeIN: you happy with yours? 02/17/05 22:08:00 Jeffrey_Robison: I love it, just outgrowing it. You can lock everything up, and the washer sits high enough to where noone can mess with it. 02/17/05 22:08:01 Brian_Sawyer: hot or cold water 02/17/05 22:08:06 Jeffrey_Robison: Hot and cold. 02/17/05 22:08:21 Brian_Sawyer: what type of truck 02/17/05 22:08:25 MikeIN Logs Out 02/17/05 22:08:39 Jeffrey_Robison: 89 Chevy 3500 with 8ft utility body. 02/17/05 22:08:49 Brian_Sawyer: got any pics that you can send? 02/17/05 22:09:08 Jeffrey_Robison: Not sure of the mileage, but it runs really strong. Picts? I can take a few. 02/17/05 22:09:13 Brian_Sawyer: cool 02/17/05 22:09:18 scottk: Sky..... Scott Stone is on the BB...he does fleet washing...if you post some questions he'll more than likely answer 02/17/05 22:09:25 Jeffrey_Robison: Not one single problem in about a year. 02/17/05 22:09:43 Brian_Sawyer: shot me an email with a couple of pics 02/17/05 22:09:50 Jeffrey_Robison: email address? 02/17/05 22:09:54 Brian_Sawyer: j_sawyer@bellsouth.net 02/17/05 22:10:34 scottk: ok eveerybody spam Brian.................lol 02/17/05 22:10:44 Jeffrey_Robison: It will be this weekend. I am having regular maintenance done tomorrow. Every 50 hours. 02/17/05 22:11:08 scottk: what are you having done every 50 hrs Jeff 02/17/05 22:11:23 Jeffrey_Robison: Oil change 02/17/05 22:11:27 Brian_Sawyer: thats cool, when you have time 02/17/05 22:11:44 Jeffrey_Robison: It sits sometimes, I just keep up with stuff like that. 02/17/05 22:11:50 scottk: on the truck or machine 02/17/05 22:11:57 Jeffrey_Robison: Machine 02/17/05 22:12:12 scottk: do you do it yourself? 02/17/05 22:12:47 Jeffrey_Robison: Probably overboard, but I am not comfortable working on it myself at this time, nor do I have the time. 02/17/05 22:13:24 Jeffrey_Robison: See you guys. 02/17/05 22:13:28 Jeffrey_Robison Logs Out 02/17/05 22:13:32 scottk: nothing wrong with getting it done 02/17/05 22:13:46 scottk: I'm out also....later guys 02/17/05 22:13:54 scottk Logs Out 02/17/05 22:14:00 Brian_Sawyer: seeya 02/17/05 22:15:03 Brian_Sawyer: I show up and everyone takes off 02/17/05 22:35:16 Brian_Sawyer: sky clean, you just now getting into the busines? 02/17/05 22:51:51 Sky__Clean: i am back guys 02/17/05 22:52:02 Sky__Clean: are u there Brian? 02/17/05 22:52:07 Sky__Clean: yes I am 02/17/05 22:52:27 Brian_Sawyer: yeah I'm here 02/17/05 22:52:42 Brian_Sawyer: I'm thinking about starting one also 02/17/05 22:52:53 Sky__Clean: where are u located? 02/17/05 22:53:00 Brian_Sawyer: Tennessee 02/17/05 22:53:04 Sky__Clean: I am in Canada 02/17/05 22:53:07 Brian_Sawyer: Knoxville 02/17/05 22:53:14 Sky__Clean: Toronto for me 02/17/05 22:53:18 Sky__Clean: how old are u? 02/17/05 22:53:21 Brian_Sawyer: 32 02/17/05 22:53:26 Sky__Clean: I am 28 02/17/05 22:53:43 Sky__Clean: i am trying to figure out prices? 02/17/05 22:53:53 Sky__Clean: rates? 02/17/05 22:53:58 Brian_Sawyer: yeah thats seems to be tough to figure out 02/17/05 22:54:07 Sky__Clean: i am having a tough time with that 02/17/05 22:54:28 Sky__Clean: have u talked to anyone that cleans garbage trucks? 02/17/05 22:54:33 Brian_Sawyer: no 02/17/05 22:54:44 Sky__Clean: its hard 02/17/05 22:54:46 Brian_Sawyer: there are a couple of ppl here that wash fleet trucks 02/17/05 22:55:18 Sky__Clean: i will talk to them 02/17/05 22:55:27 Sky__Clean: brian, i am goign now 02/17/05 22:55:33 Sky__Clean: i am goign to take off 02/17/05 22:55:38 Brian_Sawyer: ok, good talking to you 02/17/05 22:55:43 Sky__Clean: i will be here tomorrow ok 02/17/05 22:55:47 Brian_Sawyer: seeya then 02/17/05 22:55:51 Sky__Clean: see u later 02/17/05 22:55:55 Sky__Clean Logs Out 02/17/05 22:56:06 Brian_Sawyer Logs Out 02/17/05 23:49:01 scottk Logs in [68.154.64.172] 02/17/05 23:49:07 scottk Logs Out

That bird has been on your head too long Jimbo... You're a hoot! Beth

Contact Epps. They are in Canada. http://www.eppsproducts.com/ I agree 1000 gallons is probably more than you need. Hope this helps. Beth

Hey Bates, Good seeing you online. Hope all is well with you. We should catch up sometime. Beth :groovy3:

That's correct. We announced it here, and Russ spread the announcment over onto Delco. http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3115 We are carrying PressureTek's F-Series wood care suite. Beth

Well, I would tell you to call PWNA at 1-800-393-PWNA but the office staff is at the IWCA convention. I'm not sure how they are handling that this year. Maybe John T. will chime in... ;) Beth

Henry, I want to be really clear here. The announcement in the other forum has nothing to do with the forthcoming announcement in any way, shape or form. The upcoming announcement has nothing to do with chemical, or sealer, or parts or equipment. That is all we will say now. As for why we made the decision we did, the info you need is in the other thread. It was a business decision, and does not in any way reflect in the quality of the products, nor does it mean we will stop using them for ourselves. Hope this clears that up... Beth

One topic that always seems to make people wince is two tone deck jobs. How many of you do two tone jobs? What do you like or dislike about them? What are the biggest challenges from your perspective? :dunno:

Carlos, We only stock WT. The others are among the variety that we may use according to customer demand and/or existing on their structure. Rod~

Consider Janitorial or Post Construction cleaning. It is low impact on the back and can still provide a steady income, plus you can higher people to do the work. You go get the accounts. just a thought... Rod~

Yeah, :razz: I once had a Radio Flyer wagon and put an electric 1200psi unit in it and 12' of hose and I was the king of the squirt gun war! :trooper: Rod~

Best of luck to you. I'm sure you will find something you will enjoy that will be more physically agreeable with you. Take care, Beth

Si, muy loco! Impressive and ... great job! Rod~

I used to...(and sometimes still do...yes I am stubborn) neglect any injuries unless they put me on my back. Call me a trooper or a goof, but if it doesnt kill me, dont that make me stronger?! The debate continues... I know, I need to take better care of myself, wear my PPE, rinse off more frequently, avoid unnecessary exposure and yet I insist on my guys doing it while I dont doesnt set a good example. I'm going to the corner now... Rod~

Reed, I wonder if the manufacturer has more than one plant? Out here, Cuprinol Ultra White will not cover well and the wood keeps showing through. It takes about 3 coats to get it to look solid. For this reason I recommend Cabot. Better coverage formulation. What do you think? Inconsistency in manufacturing methods among different plants? Rod~

Wow...what an incredible project, Alvaro. Thank you for sharing it with us here. Beth :groovy: