Beth n Rod

Thanks Ron. ;) I tried help. Am still trying to help. Beth :groovy2:

We use Extreme Solutions products for wood restoration. HD-80, EFC-38 and citralic neutralizer/brightener. As most know, we have used these products extensively and get great results...truly a contractor grade product line. We are also working with Pressure Tek products F-18, F-10 and F-08 and field testing them for recommendation. The results obtained so far with Pressure Tek's products have been positive. Either line would make a great addition to anyones restoration arsenal. Rod~

Our Sealers of choice for this year will be--- Wood Tux! Wet (WHG, WC) Cabot Austrailian Timber Oil-Hardwoods Sikkens SRD, DEK, 123+ Cabot Solid Color Stain (2 tone decks) The reason for this not only because we love these products, but the greater majority of our clients have one or more of these products currently installed on the structures and will be needing maintenance coats this year. The results we have obtained using these products has been fruitfully favorable. You can just look at the structure and tell why they would be a desired finish. They all have great mildewcides and long life. We like using sprayers for application with pads and brushes for backup work. Looking forward to spring!:sunshine: Rod~

02/10/05 20:03:21 BethnRod Logs in [63.159.49.21] 02/10/05 20:03:40 BethnRod: Welcome to the chat 02/10/05 20:15:04 MikeIN Logs in [4.252.70.156] 02/10/05 20:15:13 MikeIN Logs Out 02/10/05 20:17:00 Jeffrey_Robison Logs in [68.19.120.46] 02/10/05 20:17:12 BethnRod: evening Jeff 02/10/05 20:17:30 Jeffrey_Robison: hello 02/10/05 20:18:03 BethnRod: where are you from? 02/10/05 20:18:05 Jeffrey_Robison: Have you ever cleaned playground equipment at a daycare: 02/10/05 20:18:10 Jeffrey_Robison: Atlanta GA 02/10/05 20:18:23 BethnRod: we bid one, but didn't get it. 02/10/05 20:18:41 BethnRod: we have done swingsets for people tho...wooden ones 02/10/05 20:18:41 Jeffrey_Robison: I have one on saturday, thinking heavy bleach for the grime and stuff 02/10/05 20:19:11 Jeffrey_Robison: This is the commercial rubber coated steel, and plastic stuff 02/10/05 20:19:16 BethnRod: make sure to rinse tthoroughly. what type of structures are they 02/10/05 20:19:21 BethnRod: ah 02/10/05 20:20:03 BethnRod: use the bleach at 1/2 cup to a gallon of water 02/10/05 20:20:19 BethnRod: too much will dry out the rubber/plastic 02/10/05 20:20:20 Jeffrey_Robison: do you have your prices of shurflo's with viton seals on your website? i didn't see them 02/10/05 20:20:42 Jeffrey_Robison: I had not thought about the drying out part!! 02/10/05 20:20:46 BethnRod: I may have not gotten that far, but we have the whole pumptek line 02/10/05 20:21:11 scottk Logs in [68.217.222.162] 02/10/05 20:21:19 BethnRod: Hi scott 02/10/05 20:21:23 Jeffrey_Robison: is this big scott from south ga 02/10/05 20:21:29 scottk: yep 02/10/05 20:21:41 Jeffrey_Robison: jeff from titan 02/10/05 20:21:47 scottk: hi jeff 02/10/05 20:21:56 Jeffrey_Robison: coming to atlanta this week? 02/10/05 20:22:16 scottk: nope 02/10/05 20:22:32 scottk: we have all ofour crew this weekend 02/10/05 20:22:49 Jeffrey_Robison: pwna ran you off? i am having second thoughts, but will go and see 02/10/05 20:22:50 scottk: we do our best not to travel with all 5 unless we have to 02/10/05 20:22:55 Jeffrey_Robison: That is a big crew 02/10/05 20:23:22 Jeffrey_Robison: Beth, any used hose reels? 02/10/05 20:23:45 BethnRod: don't have any used ones. 02/10/05 20:24:23 King_of_the_Universe Logs in [4.252.70.156] 02/10/05 20:24:27 scottk: jeff you looking for pressure reels 02/10/05 20:24:32 Jeffrey_Robison: Scott I called the place you told me too, but the core is too small for a water hose he said. 02/10/05 20:24:42 BethnRod: King of the Universe...do you have a name? 02/10/05 20:24:43 scottk: sorry 02/10/05 20:24:44 King_of_the_Universe: here I come, straight from the I 75 overpass :) 02/10/05 20:24:49 scottk: lol 02/10/05 20:25:10 King_of_the_Universe: let me go change my name :) 02/10/05 20:25:13 King_of_the_Universe Logs Out 02/10/05 20:25:31 Mike_IN Logs in [4.252.70.156] 02/10/05 20:25:38 BethnRod: Hi Mike 02/10/05 20:25:45 Jeffrey_Robison: Hello 02/10/05 20:25:46 Mike_IN: hey everyone 02/10/05 20:25:48 BethnRod: you getting snow there? 02/10/05 20:25:48 scottk: jeff do you remember what my hose reels looked like??? 02/10/05 20:26:04 scottk: the bluee cox reels? 02/10/05 20:26:07 scottk: blue 02/10/05 20:26:08 Mike_IN: yeah we got the white stuff all day, but not much accumulation 02/10/05 20:26:09 Jeffrey_Robison: Yes, from Northern right? I thought that would do the trick 02/10/05 20:26:11 scottk: hi Mike 02/10/05 20:26:15 scottk: yes 02/10/05 20:26:18 Mike_IN: hey scott 02/10/05 20:26:50 Jeffrey_Robison: Scott, what did you use for the playground equipment at the park, I have a daycare on Saturday 02/10/05 20:27:15 scottk: $169 I just looked at them online...that rpice is hard to beat....most other places sell the same reel for $189 02/10/05 20:27:34 scottk: We use a weak bleach/citrcleen mix 02/10/05 20:28:02 Jeffrey_Robison: Did it clean well? Pretty much spray on, rinse off? 02/10/05 20:28:13 BethnRod: I really like the regional chat idea 02/10/05 20:28:18 scottk: yes,it cleans great 02/10/05 20:28:42 Jeffrey_Robison: Perfect!!, I think this could lead into a big chain, if I can get to the right people. 02/10/05 20:28:48 Mike_IN: sounds like a good idea beth, we'll see it it flys :) 02/10/05 20:28:52 scottk: what chain? 02/10/05 20:29:16 Jeffrey_Robison: A big one, I will let you know how it goes. 02/10/05 20:29:17 scottk: we just bid one for a chain down here 02/10/05 20:29:44 Mike_IN: Scott just so you know, between your comment & Bob's I am still laughing 02/10/05 20:29:58 scottk: good to know I make someoen laugh 02/10/05 20:30:03 scottk: someone 02/10/05 20:30:21 Jeffrey_Robison: I have been working on about 100 centers in Atlanta, not all one chain. I have been marketing to different ones and finally getting somewhere. 02/10/05 20:30:38 scottk: CF is the initials of the chain we are working on 02/10/05 20:30:55 Jeffrey_Robison: CF? 02/10/05 20:31:05 scottk: childrens friend 02/10/05 20:31:12 Jeffrey_Robison: Never heard of them 02/10/05 20:31:40 scottk: they have over 100 locations state wide 02/10/05 20:31:52 Jeffrey_Robison: Most equipment I have seen looks disgusting, no way I would have mine play on it. High dollar place to0. 02/10/05 20:32:19 Mike_IN: Jeffery, whats your "post" name? 02/10/05 20:32:36 scottk: yeah....we do a playhouse monthly of one daycare because they have cat issues 02/10/05 20:32:50 Jeffrey_Robison: No marketing to 100 different centers, different names, finally got hooked up with corporate of one and think they may mandate that all of them have it done. 02/10/05 20:33:06 Jeffrey_Robison: Post name Jeff Robison Titan Pressure Washing. 02/10/05 20:33:19 Mike_IN: Ok thanks, nice to meet you. 02/10/05 20:33:48 Jeffrey_Robison: I am a newbie like you, from your earlier various post. 02/10/05 20:34:13 scottk: childrens friend has over 100 locations....4 in albany alone 02/10/05 20:34:17 Mike_IN: I guess I'm still a newbie of sorts, I've been part time for a while now, but still learning :) 02/10/05 20:34:23 Jeffrey_Robison: Cat Issues??? 02/10/05 20:34:46 Jeffrey_Robison: You bidding the whole chain, or just local 02/10/05 20:34:55 scottk: yeah teh cats from the surrounding area like to use the bathroom in the playhouse 02/10/05 20:35:32 Jeffrey_Robison: The colts, gonna finally do it this year? 02/10/05 20:35:42 scottk: just local for now...but i have let ot be know that we would clean within 150 mile ....or i would line them up with other contractors in other areas 02/10/05 20:35:43 Jeffrey_Robison: Good friends with Jeff Saturday , the center. 02/10/05 20:36:10 Mike_IN: haha, i wish. I am an atlanta braves fan, I have been for a long time, how use to it I am now seeing my teams make it to the playoffs and choke 02/10/05 20:36:19 Mike_IN: i re named the colts, the indianapolis braves 02/10/05 20:36:26 scottk: lol 02/10/05 20:36:27 Jeffrey_Robison: Could you charge for travel? Or it's just built in? 02/10/05 20:36:50 Jeffrey_Robison: HA HA HA the braves are funny like that. 02/10/05 20:37:30 scottk: i would build it in to the price if we were to do them all 02/10/05 20:37:47 Jeffrey_Robison: sounds good, hope it works out. 02/10/05 20:37:56 Jeffrey_Robison: Beth, busy up north? 02/10/05 20:38:10 scottk: i would prefer to do the SW ga locations only 02/10/05 20:38:14 Mike_IN: Beth's always busy doing something 02/10/05 20:38:33 BethnRod: we're getting busier 02/10/05 20:38:53 BethnRod: January is always slower, but it's picking up and we are getting alot of calls now. 02/10/05 20:38:56 Jeffrey_Robison: The big one I am hoping to land has South GA locations, so maybe if it happens we can work something out. 02/10/05 20:39:07 BethnRod: deck, houses, gutters, commercial work, 02/10/05 20:39:43 Jeffrey_Robison: decks seem real profitable, but I cannot seem to get interested in it. Mine is horrible. 02/10/05 20:39:48 scottk: Sounds like a plan....i try to stay out of Atl so i could try and throw you the work from the one we are bidding 02/10/05 20:40:04 Mike_IN: Scott, did you post photos from your RT? or is it like vegas.. what happens in GA stays in GA ? 02/10/05 20:40:12 scottk: decks??????hahahaha....we have given up on decks 02/10/05 20:40:19 BethnRod: 'we love decks, but then we are wood lovers. 02/10/05 20:40:28 scottk: they are on TCN in teh orange fever section 02/10/05 20:40:42 Jeffrey_Robison: Not much happened in Albany. As far as action 02/10/05 20:40:46 BethnRod: we didn't get in to this for the power washing, we got into it for decks 02/10/05 20:40:47 Mike_IN: ok thanks 02/10/05 20:41:04 Jeffrey_Robison: The RT was great and I learned a lot. Kind of fired me up!!! 02/10/05 20:41:10 BethnRod: the power washing was a part of the process we needed to learn, so we learned to do other things too 02/10/05 20:41:15 Mike_IN: great to hear Jeff 02/10/05 20:41:32 BethnRod: you guys should try one of the DC round tables. 02/10/05 20:41:36 Mike_IN: Scott & Steve seem to be good people to get hooked up with down there 02/10/05 20:41:43 Jeffrey_Robison: Too far for me!!! 02/10/05 20:41:54 Jeffrey_Robison: Going to the one in ATL this weekend. 02/10/05 20:42:12 scottk: wow...i have mike fooled 02/10/05 20:42:14 BethnRod: we have some folks staying in town one or two days 02/10/05 20:42:17 scottk: lol 02/10/05 20:42:41 Jeffrey_Robison: they only let Scott out on the weekends to see his kids. 02/10/05 20:42:50 BethnRod: some of us get together after the round table too 02/10/05 20:43:12 Jeffrey_Robison: Did anything happen after we left Scott?? I had to hit the road. 02/10/05 20:43:21 Mike_IN: they wont let scott anywhere near DC, he scares the secret service 02/10/05 20:43:58 scottk: final totals for our meeting were: 21 contractors from 7 states,from what Steve says it's one of the biggest meetings hehas had 02/10/05 20:44:00 BethnRod: we see the SS up here on the beltway sometimes 02/10/05 20:44:08 Mike_IN: *evil* 02/10/05 20:44:21 scottk: some of us went outto dinner later sat.night but that is it 02/10/05 20:44:57 scottk: I'm kind of like a pitbull MIke.......you can look but don't try to pet 02/10/05 20:45:04 Jeffrey_Robison: everybody seemed great. that is one thing I love about this business. Just good people trying to make a living 02/10/05 20:45:05 Mike_IN: *meow* bad cat, stay away from the play house! 02/10/05 20:45:54 Jeffrey_Robison: Did you get rid of the American Bulldogs. Those are awesome dogs. We house sit for one every so often 02/10/05 20:46:04 Jeffrey_Robison: Full blooded? 02/10/05 20:46:39 scottk: they are full blooded but tehy don't have papers 02/10/05 20:46:41 Mike_IN: beth you need to have a big grime scene get together in the off season next time and get us all to come up 02/10/05 20:46:58 BethnRod: Might have to do that!!! 02/10/05 20:47:25 Jeffrey_Robison: I wanted one but have 3 kids, 2 big dogs, Lab and Part Mastiff, my wife would have flipped. 02/10/05 20:47:35 scottk: but let Mike know a week in advance so he can dig his way out of the snow..................lol 02/10/05 20:48:30 Jeffrey_Robison: Beth how is the sprinter working out? I am looking for a good box truck right now 02/10/05 20:48:34 Mike_IN: tell me about it scott, im sick of this snow, its gonna warm up soon though 02/10/05 20:49:01 BethnRod: Jeff, we love the sprinter. look at them. seriously. Only thing we want to buy anymore is a sprinter. 02/10/05 20:49:01 scottk: it was 74 yesterday and will be 28 tonight....how mesed up is that 02/10/05 20:49:08 Jeffrey_Robison: Indianapolis is nice, one of my biggest accounts is in Marion. 02/10/05 20:49:32 Mike_IN: it was mid 70s in florida when I went down this past weekend, sooooooo nice 02/10/05 20:49:50 scottk: did you drive down? 02/10/05 20:49:57 Jeffrey_Robison: I will wait until I get a little more established first. No need to get ahead of myself. 02/10/05 20:50:06 Mike_IN: when we flew back it was directly over atlanta, I saw turner field and the georgia dome, I was kinda surprised I was able to see it 02/10/05 20:50:09 Mike_IN: i flew 02/10/05 20:50:39 Mike_IN: Whats in marion Jeff? 02/10/05 20:50:51 scottk: i was going to say...if you drove and didn't blow the horn on the way by i was gonna be mad 02/10/05 20:51:14 Jeffrey_Robison: CVS Systems, they buy a lot of flags. I am operations manager for a manufacturing company 02/10/05 20:51:19 Mike_IN: I go to south florida, so its like 24 hours of driving, not my cup of tea, its a 2 hour flight 02/10/05 20:51:47 Mike_IN: CVS is all over up here 02/10/05 20:52:19 Jeffrey_Robison: they originated in the satellite market and for some reason got into flags. Impressive company 02/10/05 20:52:32 Mike_IN: not to mention, last time I drove down I 75 there was a georgia state cop at every exit it seemed 02/10/05 20:52:53 Jeffrey_Robison: NOT CVS the pharmacy 02/10/05 20:52:57 Mike_IN: they get sneaky in GA, and clock you from the over passes, not very fair 02/10/05 20:53:00 jbpowerwashing Logs in [207.43.155.169] 02/10/05 20:53:05 Mike_IN: Hey Barry 02/10/05 20:53:07 scottk: hey barry 02/10/05 20:53:12 BethnRod: hi barry 02/10/05 20:53:21 jbpowerwashing: Hey all 02/10/05 20:53:40 scottk: nothing wrong with GHP...how do you think they afford those fancy cars......................lol 02/10/05 20:53:49 Mike_IN: is it cold up north ? :) 02/10/05 20:53:59 scottk: dude you have to look up once in a while 02/10/05 20:54:08 Mike_IN: they do have some nice cars 02/10/05 20:54:48 Jeffrey_Robison: Beth, how many employees do you have? 02/10/05 20:54:56 jbpowerwashing: not bad 27 for a high today 02/10/05 20:55:08 Jeffrey_Robison: Rod still doing most of the work, or employees 02/10/05 20:55:20 scottk: wooohooo...break out the shorts and flip-flops 02/10/05 20:55:39 BethnRod: It varies. normally in peak season we run between 6 and 12. Last fall for one project there were 26 of us, but just for that project. 02/10/05 20:55:55 BethnRod: we have employees, but he is on certain projects. 02/10/05 20:55:57 Mike_IN: i was so depressed packing away my shorts again, thats all i brought to FL, and wore them 24/7 02/10/05 20:56:05 Jeffrey_Robison: That's great 02/10/05 20:56:15 Mike_IN: 26? what was that beth? 02/10/05 20:56:32 jbpowerwashing: won't be long it will be hot and humid again 02/10/05 20:56:32 BethnRod: Hotel - construction cleaning - tight deadline. 02/10/05 20:56:36 Mike_IN: barry you said you had some ?'s 02/10/05 20:56:53 Mike_IN: true barry, i am waiting for that for sure 02/10/05 20:57:00 Jeffrey_Robison: Anybody advertise in local papers? About to place my first one. 2"x4" for a month straight. 02/10/05 20:57:10 BethnRod: we have 4 crews in the building cleaning in blocks of rooms 02/10/05 20:57:29 scottk: we did the paper last year...had 3 calls and only one paying job from it 02/10/05 20:57:31 Mike_IN: papers can be great, they usally have a "service" area you can adevertise in for not much money at all 02/10/05 20:57:35 Jeffrey_Robison: A lot of new construction clean up?? 02/10/05 20:57:46 scottk: but remember how differentthe market is down here 02/10/05 20:57:53 BethnRod: yes. that was all new construction cleaning. we do a fair amount of that. 02/10/05 20:57:55 Mike_IN: thats true 02/10/05 20:58:12 Jeffrey_Robison: Avoiding the service guide and going with a full ad. Hopefully it will seperate me from the painters. 02/10/05 20:58:21 Mike_IN: most of the calls I got was because of gutters, cleaning them in the fall, I guess you dont have the leaf problem we have down south 02/10/05 20:58:36 jbpowerwashing: not sure now if I can afford the conv/boot camp, feeling down about it 02/10/05 20:58:52 Mike_IN: barry I wouldnt worry about it 02/10/05 20:59:07 Jeffrey_Robison: Who goes to the convention? 02/10/05 20:59:14 Mike_IN: there will be alot there for you see 02/10/05 20:59:23 jbpowerwashing: Just feel like it would help a lot 02/10/05 20:59:32 BethnRod: pwna members and non-members and lots of newbies, and some old timers too 02/10/05 20:59:48 Mike_IN: check out the house washing class, it's not extra. I think there's also a newbie class 02/10/05 20:59:49 BethnRod: then GO. 02/10/05 20:59:56 Jeffrey_Robison: Gutter cleaning is an area of interest, but alot of high gutters around here, I am not breaking my neck for a little more $$ 02/10/05 21:00:17 BethnRod: There are good things to be learned at the conventions. 02/10/05 21:00:26 Mike_IN: Jeff, get a good heavy duty ladder with a stabalizer and rake in some cash 02/10/05 21:00:37 scottk: Barry attending teh conv. isn't goingto make or break your company.....admittedly you might have learned a lot but with the different BBS you should be able to gain the knowledge youare after 02/10/05 21:00:45 Jeffrey_Robison: I need a heavy duty one to hold my big ass. 02/10/05 21:01:00 jbpowerwashing: I'm trying to include it in my start up costs, we'll see 02/10/05 21:01:09 Mike_IN: haha jeff, I would not go smaller then a 300lb ladder 02/10/05 21:01:35 scottk: if you need a big ladder jeff...then i must need a crane...........lol 02/10/05 21:01:38 Mike_IN: barry, you can learn alot from working with guys in your area also, on job triaing for free, you'll just have to work for it :) 02/10/05 21:01:53 Mike_IN: training 02/10/05 21:02:00 Jeffrey_Robison: that would do, what ladders do you guys recommend, Little Giant?? 02/10/05 21:02:11 jbpowerwashing: true 02/10/05 21:02:35 Mike_IN: i have werner ladders, rated at 300lbs 24' 02/10/05 21:02:42 scottk: i prefer the fiberglass extentions(werners) 02/10/05 21:02:46 jbpowerwashing: its tough with a full time job but I know it would help 02/10/05 21:02:54 Jeffrey_Robison: Weighing about 260 right now, need to get to 242 for a competition. 02/10/05 21:02:56 scottk: giants are nice but pricey 02/10/05 21:03:04 Mike_IN: same here scott, fiberglass werners are the best I think 02/10/05 21:03:13 jbpowerwashing: thinking of changing company name 02/10/05 21:03:28 scottk: oh man i weigh 290 02/10/05 21:03:30 Jeffrey_Robison: I did this week, having new cards printed up 02/10/05 21:03:34 jbpowerwashing: from J&B Powerwashing to Midwest Pro Wash 02/10/05 21:03:38 scottk: jeff you are such a light weight 02/10/05 21:03:47 scottk: il iek the latter barry 02/10/05 21:03:52 scottk: like 02/10/05 21:04:10 Jeffrey_Robison: Titan pressure washing to Titan Exterior Cleaning. Expanding my services a little bit. 02/10/05 21:04:27 scottk: I went with Karvonen's Pro Clean for several reasons 02/10/05 21:04:37 Mike_IN: I use exterior in my name, not pressure washing, it allows me to expand my services 02/10/05 21:04:38 Jeffrey_Robison: Gutters, more commercial hopefully. 02/10/05 21:04:55 Jeffrey_Robison: I like the Pro Clean 02/10/05 21:05:16 scottk: it left the door open for janitorial and other forms of cleaning if we expand later...and by using our name no one else will try to take it 02/10/05 21:05:40 Jeffrey_Robison: When you go international will you drop the Karvonen?? 02/10/05 21:05:43 scottk: yes we are the only Karvonen's in the state 02/10/05 21:05:56 Rod Logs in [63.159.49.21] 02/10/05 21:05:59 jbpowerwashing: I agree you have to look ahead 02/10/05 21:06:00 Mike_IN: hey Rod 02/10/05 21:06:11 Rod: sup Mike! 02/10/05 21:06:14 scottk: naw we'll keep in and add the international 02/10/05 21:06:15 jbpowerwashing: hello 02/10/05 21:06:18 Mike_IN: a name should be simple, catchy and leave room for expansion 02/10/05 21:06:21 scottk: whatsup rod 02/10/05 21:06:22 Rod: hello jb 02/10/05 21:06:31 Brian_Sawyer Logs in [68.209.234.247] 02/10/05 21:06:36 Mike_IN: hey brian 02/10/05 21:06:41 Rod: dust! been cleaning 02/10/05 21:06:42 Brian_Sawyer: Hi 02/10/05 21:06:50 Brian_Sawyer: That was a pain 02/10/05 21:06:58 jbpowerwashing: hey brian 02/10/05 21:07:10 Mike_IN: barry, email me hoosiermike@hotmail.com and I'll answer any questions I can. I'm also part time. 02/10/05 21:07:16 Jeffrey_Robison: How long were you part time scott 02/10/05 21:07:20 jbpowerwashing: k 02/10/05 21:07:35 Mike_IN: but feel free to ask questions now to 02/10/05 21:07:40 Mike_IN: thats why we are all here :) 02/10/05 21:07:43 scottk: we PW part time for a year 02/10/05 21:07:44 jbpowerwashing: I am interested in info on a local roundtable mike 02/10/05 21:07:55 Jeffrey_Robison: Brian, where are you from 02/10/05 21:07:58 scottk: we were washing windows fulltime back then 02/10/05 21:07:59 Rod: hi Brian 02/10/05 21:08:01 Brian_Sawyer: KNoxville TN 02/10/05 21:08:06 Mike_IN: barry, I am talking to a few guys about getting one set up 02/10/05 21:08:29 Jeffrey_Robison: Screw windows, I don't have the patience. 02/10/05 21:08:35 Mike_IN: I'll post information about it for sure if we can get it worked out 02/10/05 21:08:37 Rod Logs in [63.159.49.21] 02/10/05 21:08:41 Brian_Sawyer: I'm considering starting a PW business. I'm reading and learning all that I can 02/10/05 21:08:51 jbpowerwashing: bye rod, hi rod 02/10/05 21:08:53 scottk: lol....i hatet hem..but they are super easy work and fast money 02/10/05 21:09:04 scottk: hate them 02/10/05 21:09:05 Rod: huh, am i here? or there? 02/10/05 21:09:07 Mike_IN: Welcome to the mess brian :) 02/10/05 21:09:20 Jeffrey_Robison: Brian, you have come to a very good place, I started a year ago and hit the BBS all the time and learn something new all the time. 02/10/05 21:09:22 Brian_Sawyer: Thanks 02/10/05 21:09:23 Rod: modem trauma 02/10/05 21:09:26 Mike_IN: i dont do windows either :( 02/10/05 21:09:29 BethnRod: *) *slap* 02/10/05 21:09:38 jbpowerwashing: ouch 02/10/05 21:09:42 Brian_Sawyer: Theres alot out there to soak up. 02/10/05 21:09:44 scottk: we do commercial more than residential 02/10/05 21:09:58 Rod: that was meant for my modem 02/10/05 21:10:02 jbpowerwashing: u do residential right? mike 02/10/05 21:10:24 BethnRod: *choochoo* :o 02/10/05 21:10:26 Mike_IN: Brian, there sure is man, dont be afraid to jump in anytime either, read read read and ask questions :) 02/10/05 21:10:28 Jeffrey_Robison: I just have to find out what works best for my schedule. My full time gig is good and not looking to leave it. 02/10/05 21:10:32 Mike_IN: barry yep 02/10/05 21:10:32 scottk: residential windows pay great but i hate working around all the stuff people have in their homes 02/10/05 21:11:31 BethnRod: so do we. 02/10/05 21:11:37 Brian_Sawyer: I'm probaly going to drive down to Atlanta for the round table that is this weekend 02/10/05 21:11:51 Brian_Sawyer: I hope to get some good info there 02/10/05 21:11:53 BethnRod: it should be good 02/10/05 21:11:59 jbpowerwashing: think I should buy used or new PW 02/10/05 21:12:09 jbpowerwashing: cold water 02/10/05 21:12:11 Jeffrey_Robison: That would be good!! A good place to start and meet some nice people 02/10/05 21:12:12 BethnRod: if you can afford new, get new 02/10/05 21:12:19 Mike_IN: barry, get up on a ladder and clean some gutters this spring, its a good start. develop some good relationships with clients, then you can sell them on your PWing, gutters can have very low overhead cost 02/10/05 21:12:21 scottk: you looking for a skid or cold water barry 02/10/05 21:12:28 Jeffrey_Robison: I found a very good cheap used unit. 02/10/05 21:12:40 BethnRod: hot or cold 02/10/05 21:12:46 Jeffrey_Robison: when i started, just look hard and don't jump too early. 02/10/05 21:12:47 jbpowerwashing: cold 02/10/05 21:12:50 BethnRod: if hot how many hours on it 02/10/05 21:12:56 BethnRod: whoops nevermind 02/10/05 21:13:32 scottk: what is your budget for a machine barry? 02/10/05 21:13:47 Jeffrey_Robison: I AM looking for a smoking price on a used hot water unit. At least 5.5 if you know anyone. 02/10/05 21:14:07 jbpowerwashing: well I have about 5 grand to start up for everything 02/10/05 21:14:16 BethnRod: there were a couple things int he Bargain Basement forum 02/10/05 21:14:22 jbpowerwashing: I have no equipment 02/10/05 21:14:39 BethnRod: heck, we started with a used cold unit 02/10/05 21:14:44 scottk: are you going to do only residential work? 02/10/05 21:14:51 Mike_IN: barry if you just going to do residential work, cold water is fine, but if you want to do flat work or commercial, you'll want to get hot water one day 02/10/05 21:14:55 jbpowerwashing: basically my company only exists in my head right now 02/10/05 21:14:59 scottk: so did we Beth...still have it 02/10/05 21:15:01 Jeffrey_Robison: I got into it for 4,000 for the equipment. Hot water, surface cleaner, wands, trailer, misc. thats why I said don't jump at the first thing you see. 02/10/05 21:15:01 Mike_IN: i still use cold water myself. 02/10/05 21:15:07 BethnRod: same here 02/10/05 21:15:56 jbpowerwashing: Since it will be part time I will put money back into the company 02/10/05 21:15:57 Jeffrey_Robison: Rod, two 4.0 or one 8.0 machine, if you had your choice. 02/10/05 21:16:16 Jeffrey_Robison: Don't you have a 8.0 02/10/05 21:16:45 Rod: y es, we have an 8/2 gun system and a 4.6 single man unit 02/10/05 21:16:48 scottk: barry you are fine with a cold unit.....i know a lot of guys that strted with Lowes or HD $1000 cold units and they are doing good with them 02/10/05 21:16:57 jbpowerwashing: yes scott only res. 02/10/05 21:17:07 Rod: would rather have another 8.0 2/man, space saving,efficient\ 02/10/05 21:17:45 Jeffrey_Robison: That is what I am thinking but have heard otherwise. 02/10/05 21:17:49 jbpowerwashing: really, HD sells high gpm machines? 02/10/05 21:17:52 Mike_IN: WOW this is bright 02/10/05 21:18:05 scottk: 3500psi/4gpm 02/10/05 21:18:06 Rod: like what?? 02/10/05 21:18:07 Mike_IN: ok how about this? 02/10/05 21:18:17 BethnRod: ouch. yellow hurts 02/10/05 21:18:22 BethnRod: :( 02/10/05 21:18:24 Jeffrey_Robison: What if it goes down, you have nothing etc... 02/10/05 21:18:29 jbpowerwashing: pick a color any color 02/10/05 21:18:38 scottk: the rainbow 02/10/05 21:18:38 BethnRod: *whip* Bad yellow! 02/10/05 21:18:46 Mike_IN: sorry :) 02/10/05 21:18:50 BethnRod: lol 02/10/05 21:19:08 Mike_IN: *choochoo* 02/10/05 21:19:18 Mike_IN: there thats better 02/10/05 21:19:23 jbpowerwashing: nice 02/10/05 21:20:10 Mike_IN: I dont even think you need 3500 psi for doing houses scott 02/10/05 21:20:29 Mike_IN: most homes here are vinyl siding 02/10/05 21:20:37 jbpowerwashing: when I buy insurance do I have to buy for a full year or how does that work? 02/10/05 21:20:56 Jeffrey_Robison: Any body have a used Coress? or Pitch Witch for sale? 02/10/05 21:20:56 Rod Logs in [63.159.49.21] 02/10/05 21:21:12 BethnRod: yes! we have a used pitch witch 02/10/05 21:21:21 Brian_Sawyer: Does insurance cover any damage that you may cause? 02/10/05 21:21:28 scottk: 3500psi/4gpm...i never sadi that all 3500 psi had to be used 02/10/05 21:21:38 Jeffrey_Robison: Most damage, never had to use it. 02/10/05 21:21:52 scottk: i saw a new 24dft coress for $350 tonight 02/10/05 21:21:56 scottk: 24ft 02/10/05 21:22:02 Jeffrey_Robison: Joe Walters bills quarterly so you could back out I guess at six months 02/10/05 21:22:12 BethnRod: jeff - yes on the used pitch witch 02/10/05 21:22:33 jbpowerwashing: k, jeff 02/10/05 21:22:35 Jeffrey_Robison: How much? I'm interested 02/10/05 21:22:50 Jeffrey_Robison: The pitches are steep in Atl. 02/10/05 21:22:55 scottk: call me...and i'll fill you in 02/10/05 21:22:56 BethnRod: $150.00 02/10/05 21:23:01 jbpowerwashing: jeffrey, sorry 02/10/05 21:23:10 BethnRod: it has 5 nozzles 02/10/05 21:23:41 Jeffrey_Robison: I would be primarily working from the top 02/10/05 21:23:45 Mike_IN: Jeff, you need to get over you fear of ladders :D 02/10/05 21:23:49 scottk: that's a good price for the 5 nozzle 02/10/05 21:23:54 BethnRod: We have a new 24' extend-a-wand for 295.00 02/10/05 21:23:55 Jeffrey_Robison: What width are those? 02/10/05 21:24:12 jbpowerwashing: Hey mike what do you have for a rig 02/10/05 21:24:13 Jeffrey_Robison: Ease of use? 02/10/05 21:24:22 jbpowerwashing: truck, trailer? 02/10/05 21:24:32 Mike_IN: no trailer 02/10/05 21:24:35 BethnRod: nozzles on the pitch witch are 15 degre 02/10/05 21:24:39 jbpowerwashing: pickup 02/10/05 21:24:44 Mike_IN: 3000 psi 4gpm cold water 02/10/05 21:25:00 jbpowerwashing: cool 02/10/05 21:25:03 Mike_IN: work from my truck 02/10/05 21:25:17 Mike_IN: trailer... one day soon! :) 02/10/05 21:25:28 Jeffrey_Robison: You gonna buy it Scott? 02/10/05 21:25:29 jbpowerwashing: I understand 02/10/05 21:25:38 scottk: the wand??? 02/10/05 21:25:39 jbpowerwashing: do you have a water tank 02/10/05 21:25:45 Jeffrey_Robison: yes 02/10/05 21:25:58 Mike_IN: i have one, but i havent used it yet, its in my garage 02/10/05 21:26:00 scottk: nope...i have a 24ft i'm happy with 02/10/05 21:26:15 Mike_IN: i have not had a water problem at any residential job I've done 02/10/05 21:26:33 jbpowerwashing: I know you were looking into some sample chems 02/10/05 21:26:34 Jeffrey_Robison: Buying it for roofs primarily, so I want it to be light!! 02/10/05 21:26:45 jbpowerwashing: did you decide on some 02/10/05 21:26:51 Mike_IN: yeah but that was a lost cause, haha 02/10/05 21:26:52 Rod Logs Out 02/10/05 21:27:02 Mike_IN: nobody wanted to share 02/10/05 21:27:03 jbpowerwashing: really 02/10/05 21:27:23 jbpowerwashing: doesn't seem right 02/10/05 21:27:26 BethnRod Logs Out 02/10/05 21:27:31 Mike_IN: to be honest, i've found things locally that work just as good 02/10/05 21:27:42 Jeffrey_Robison: No free samples surprises me. 02/10/05 21:27:54 scottk: jeff call me and i'll fill you in about the coress 02/10/05 21:28:04 Jeffrey_Robison: Will do!! 02/10/05 21:28:12 scottk: $350 is a great price 02/10/05 21:28:21 Jeffrey_Robison: Yes I know. 02/10/05 21:28:24 Mike_IN: Scott told me about purple power and it's my new best friend :) 02/10/05 21:28:35 jbpowerwashing: whats that 02/10/05 21:29:00 jbpowerwashing: house wash 02/10/05 21:29:01 scottk: a lot cheaper than guttershock or gutterzap 02/10/05 21:29:06 Jeffrey_Robison: Scott are most of the rt's like yours tis weekend. 02/10/05 21:29:12 Mike_IN: it's a degreaser 02/10/05 21:29:51 Jeffrey_Robison: Thinking about another, but not sure. Would like to see some demo's, Could not believe steve did not show something. 02/10/05 21:29:58 scottk: the ones that steve has are...now cujo's in Atl will be a little different because of the pwna format 02/10/05 21:30:13 jbpowerwashing: have you done any decks or fences yet mike 02/10/05 21:30:24 Mike_IN: to be honest barry, most homes I can clean with just water, if I do need a house wash its just a mild mix of soap and an anti mildew, but with all the vinyl siding here its easy to do with water 02/10/05 21:30:36 scottk: i wasn't real thrilled with the demo part of the meeting 02/10/05 21:30:55 Mike_IN: a few barry, most people dont want to pay the money it takes to clean them, and I'd still like to learn more about wood chems 02/10/05 21:31:13 Jeffrey_Robison: I already use Quick books, and I really just went to meet some people. 02/10/05 21:31:15 Mike_IN: I can clean gutters and houses all year and stay busy so I dont mind 02/10/05 21:31:27 jbpowerwashing: thats cool 02/10/05 21:31:47 scottk: Mike you need to use some kind of surfactant to help susoend the dirt until you rinse 02/10/05 21:31:49 Mike_IN: but when I got full time I'll have to expand my services I'm sure 02/10/05 21:31:52 scottk: suspend 02/10/05 21:32:05 Mike_IN: suggestion scott? 02/10/05 21:32:08 Jeffrey_Robison: Show me the product you want me to buy!!! 02/10/05 21:32:08 scottk: i know what you mean jeff 02/10/05 21:32:42 Brian_Sawyer: Do you all stay busy with work during the winter months? 02/10/05 21:33:00 Mike_IN: depends on the weather, it's been a coooold winter here brian 02/10/05 21:33:10 scottk: we use citracleen...but you could xjet on a mild bleach and dish soap mix(old school mix) 02/10/05 21:33:18 Jeffrey_Robison: I personally have been really slow!! But this is my first year and very little commerical cleaning so far. 02/10/05 21:33:32 jbpowerwashing: from a customer point of view it does seem expensive to wash and seal a deck 02/10/05 21:33:33 Mike_IN: thanks scott, I'll check it out 02/10/05 21:33:59 Mike_IN: is that one of steves? 02/10/05 21:34:06 Jeffrey_Robison: On vinyl, a little bleach and dawn is just fine. 02/10/05 21:34:10 scottk: citracleen is 02/10/05 21:34:25 Jeffrey_Robison: Mike do you x-jet 02/10/05 21:34:30 Mike_IN: I need to drive down there and see hime sometime 02/10/05 21:35:04 Mike_IN: Jeff, not really, but I do need to look into it. 02/10/05 21:35:08 Brian_Sawyer: are any of you in the atlanta area? 02/10/05 21:35:19 Mike_IN: indiana here brian 02/10/05 21:35:28 jbpowerwashing: indiana also 02/10/05 21:35:35 scottk: Mike buy one...it'll cut your housewash time by at least 1/3rd 02/10/05 21:35:44 Jeffrey_Robison: It changed everything!! After my first two jobs I just about said screw it, then I discovered it. 02/10/05 21:35:45 scottk: jeff is in ATl brian 02/10/05 21:35:51 Mike_IN: they pretty easy to set up? 02/10/05 21:35:57 Jeffrey_Robison: Nothing to it. 02/10/05 21:36:13 Jeffrey_Robison: Just put it in the end of your wand and go to work. 02/10/05 21:36:21 Mike_IN: I'll have to buy one from beth soon 02/10/05 21:36:29 jbpowerwashing: you use downstream injection mike 02/10/05 21:36:50 Mike_IN: no barry, i spray with a sprayer 02/10/05 21:37:03 Jeffrey_Robison: Brian, I am doing a little work at a day care early saturday, then you could come to the meeting 02/10/05 21:37:20 jbpowerwashing: shur flo 02/10/05 21:37:42 Mike_IN: most times just a simple power sprayer, but an x jet would be nice 02/10/05 21:37:51 jbpowerwashing: ya 02/10/05 21:38:02 jbpowerwashing: do you have a telescoping wand 02/10/05 21:38:04 Jeffrey_Robison: BUY one!!!! I got the M-5 version 02/10/05 21:38:09 Mike_IN: like I said, it doesnt take much to clean vinyl, but vinyl sure seems to get mildew and dirty quickly 02/10/05 21:38:30 scottk: wax my man wax 02/10/05 21:38:36 Mike_IN: telescoping wands are a bear, I have a long wand and a short wand, ladder if needed 02/10/05 21:38:53 Jeffrey_Robison: x jet bleach with soap two sides then rinse the first and then the second. Repeat for the other half 02/10/05 21:39:00 Mike_IN: wax on wax off, yes daniel son 02/10/05 21:39:17 Brian_Sawyer: Jeff are you inviting me to go on a job with you? 02/10/05 21:39:33 scottk: we add a liquid wetwax to out housewash that helps slow the mildew and mold growth 02/10/05 21:39:53 Jeffrey_Robison: It is just a little playground equipment, not really a true scope of the work, but yes. 02/10/05 21:40:03 jbpowerwashing: Jeff what is the mix ratio of bleach, soap and water 02/10/05 21:40:04 Mike_IN: hmm scott, I'll have to try that, I bet mildew is a big problem in the humid south 02/10/05 21:40:43 Brian_Sawyer: cool, what time is the job? I'm going to be driving from Knoxville 02/10/05 21:41:25 Jeffrey_Robison: I use 4 gallons of 12% a gallon of Powerhouse from Sunbrite a couple ounces of foamer. Apply at 10:1 thru the m-5. Vinyl houses are very easy. 02/10/05 21:41:49 Jeffrey_Robison: About 8:00 am!!! Probably a 4 hour drive. 02/10/05 21:42:00 scottk: we love mildew it translates into $$$$$$ 02/10/05 21:42:25 Brian_Sawyer: ouch 02/10/05 21:43:16 Jeffrey_Robison: Maybe another time but the invitation will still be open for a another time. Maybe I can line up a couple houses in March on a Saturday. 02/10/05 21:43:23 Mike_IN: is the x jet pretty universal? 02/10/05 21:43:56 scottk: you have to specify the gpm of your machine when you order mike 02/10/05 21:44:06 Mike_IN: i'll keep my sprayer for roofs and go for the x jet :) 02/10/05 21:44:12 Jeffrey_Robison: Universal? easy yes. There is the m-5 which is adjustable and the original you have to screw pieces into the end. 02/10/05 21:44:25 Mike_IN: so i could not use it on different units 02/10/05 21:44:46 Jeffrey_Robison: It should be able to be used on all pressure washers. 02/10/05 21:44:48 scottk: you could but you might not have the same draw rate 02/10/05 21:44:55 Jeffrey_Robison: exactly 02/10/05 21:45:05 Mike_IN: ok 02/10/05 21:45:08 scottk: you can order different orafices if you needed to 02/10/05 21:45:22 Jeffrey_Robison: BUY ONE!!!!! 02/10/05 21:45:51 Mike_IN: yes sir 02/10/05 21:46:26 scottk: NOW and let me give you a list of stuf fyou can buy for me.................lol 02/10/05 21:46:27 jbpowerwashing: sorry jeff but could you explain "apply 10:1 thru X-jet 02/10/05 21:46:39 Mike_IN: now you sound like my wife 02/10/05 21:46:54 Mike_IN: oh no, she's behind me 02/10/05 21:46:54 Jeffrey_Robison: For mold without it you have to get up close and move sort of slow. With x jetting you just apply to one side of the house then the other. Disconnect the hose(just pull it off) When you walk back to the first side the mold is gone, just a quick rinse 02/10/05 21:47:54 jbpowerwashing: k, thanks 02/10/05 21:48:04 Jeffrey_Robison: They have proportioners that you put in it. Different ratios for different fittings. Most people seem to use the staight 2:1 ratio that is standard. 02/10/05 21:48:16 Brian_Sawyer: I would like to take you up on that sometime Jeff. 02/10/05 21:48:21 jbpowerwashing: i see 02/10/05 21:48:42 Mike_IN: basically it's your water / chem mixture ratio barry 02/10/05 21:48:53 Mike_IN: 2 parts water to 1 part chem 02/10/05 21:48:57 Mike_IN: and so on 02/10/05 21:49:05 Jeffrey_Robison: anytime. 678-360-2518. I am helping because so many have offered the same to me. I just went at it blindly. 02/10/05 21:49:26 scottk: we use the 2:1 ...it beat the heck out of me trying to change those tiny little proportioners 02/10/05 21:49:46 Mike_IN: watch out for the cats on the playground *meow* 02/10/05 21:49:59 jbpowerwashing: you do any roofs yet mike 02/10/05 21:50:08 Jeffrey_Robison: With the stronger mix, I can knock out a house with only one 5 gallon jug. Just don't see the benefit 02/10/05 21:50:15 Mike_IN: I've done mine and the inlaws :) 02/10/05 21:50:53 scottk: we do most houses with five at the 2:1 ratio 02/10/05 21:51:01 Mike_IN: not alot of mildew on roofs here 02/10/05 21:51:08 Mike_IN: but I'll try this year for sure 02/10/05 21:51:25 Jeffrey_Robison: Only 10 gallons of water? 02/10/05 21:51:44 jbpowerwashing: sorry for all the questions 02/10/05 21:51:47 Jeffrey_Robison: Just asking 02/10/05 21:51:57 jbpowerwashing: you have a surface cleaner mike 02/10/05 21:52:08 Mike_IN: dont be sorry barry, thats wht this thing is for, to ask and learn, we all have done it, I'm still learning myself 02/10/05 21:52:32 Jeffrey_Robison: Give me a call tomorrow Brian. 02/10/05 21:52:57 Brian_Sawyer: are you goingto be out the roundtable jeff? 02/10/05 21:53:13 Jeffrey_Robison: 95% sure I will be. 02/10/05 21:53:16 Brian_Sawyer: cool 02/10/05 21:53:16 scottk: our standard housewsh mix is 1 gallon citracleen 2 gallons 12% chlorine and 2 gallons water(4oz wet wax,4oz of foamer) xjetted at 2:1 02/10/05 21:53:20 Mike_IN: I am buying one this year, I dont do much flat work commercially, the driveways I've down with a spinner, but I'll be getting a surface cleaner soon too, I have a list of thing I want to get as I continue to upgrade and grow 02/10/05 21:53:48 jbpowerwashing: you are my hero 02/10/05 21:54:05 jbpowerwashing: maybe I could come hang out sometime 02/10/05 21:54:05 Mike_IN: your not gonna sing are you? 02/10/05 21:54:22 Jeffrey_Robison: One five for a house? Just curious, not harassing 02/10/05 21:54:26 Mike_IN: sounds good to me barry, I'm an hour south of indy 02/10/05 21:54:44 scottk: up to about 1800 sq ft 02/10/05 21:54:51 Jeffrey_Robison: Interesting. 02/10/05 21:54:52 jbpowerwashing: I have aunt and uncle in Carmel 02/10/05 21:54:56 scottk: after that we have to mix a second bucket 02/10/05 21:55:13 Mike_IN: then I wont say what I normally say about carmel then, :) 02/10/05 21:55:24 jbpowerwashing: won't bother me 02/10/05 21:55:27 Mike_IN: you married barry? 02/10/05 21:55:31 Jeffrey_Robison: Gotta go, an early day tomorrow. Brian you going to be there. Scott what is your #, or I can look it up. 02/10/05 21:55:41 scottk: 229-776-7856 02/10/05 21:55:53 Brian_Sawyer: I will be there saturday. 02/10/05 21:55:54 jbpowerwashing: ya 14 years w/ 3 kids 02/10/05 21:55:57 scottk: cell229-344-5596 02/10/05 21:56:12 Jeffrey_Robison: I'll holla about the coress 02/10/05 21:56:19 scottk: cool 02/10/05 21:56:26 Mike_IN: I've been married a year now, no kids yet 02/10/05 21:56:47 jbpowerwashing: so you still get lots of *** 02/10/05 21:57:15 Jeffrey_Robison: take care studs. Brian I will look for you. I am the big ugly guy. Wait that doesn't narrow it down much 02/10/05 21:57:16 Mike_IN: haha im not divorced yet 02/10/05 21:57:23 Brian_Sawyer: lol 02/10/05 21:57:26 Mike_IN: take care Jeff, nice to meet you 02/10/05 21:57:35 Mike_IN: thanks for the info 02/10/05 21:57:37 scottk: later jeff 02/10/05 21:57:39 jbpowerwashing: see ya 02/10/05 21:57:43 Brian_Sawyer: bye jeff 02/10/05 21:57:55 Mike_IN: i'll be heading out shortly, about 10 more min or so 02/10/05 21:58:01 Jeffrey_Robison Logs Out 02/10/05 21:58:26 Brian_Sawyer: Mike how long have you been doing this work? 02/10/05 21:58:52 Mike_IN: 2nd year part time 02/10/05 21:59:29 Brian_Sawyer: I'm wanting to start a part time business 02/10/05 21:59:39 Mike_IN: go for it 02/10/05 21:59:45 jbpowerwashing: me 2 me 2 02/10/05 22:00:02 Mike_IN: You need to hook up with Steve Rowlette, he's in the volunteer state also 02/10/05 22:00:22 Mike_IN: he's a wealth of knowledge 02/10/05 22:00:31 jbpowerwashing: heard of him, he sells chems and stuff, right? 02/10/05 22:00:32 scottk: starting part time will give you a chance to see if this is what you want to do fulltime 02/10/05 22:00:43 Mike_IN: yes he does barry 02/10/05 22:00:53 Brian_Sawyer: one of the questions that I have is, should I jet get a PW from lowes or HD and start small or should I lay down the big bucks and get a really nice unit so I don't have to upgrade after a short period of time? 02/10/05 22:00:56 Mike_IN: he has The Cleaner Network BBS 02/10/05 22:01:00 jbpowerwashing: been to his site 02/10/05 22:01:13 Mike_IN: nothing wrong with HD or lowes units 02/10/05 22:01:17 Mike_IN: to get started 02/10/05 22:01:22 Mike_IN: and upgrade as needed 02/10/05 22:01:23 scottk: i agree 02/10/05 22:01:45 Brian_Sawyer: I emailed Steve today. I'm going to give him a call tomorrow 02/10/05 22:01:54 scottk: a lot of people start with Lowes and HD machine 02/10/05 22:02:17 scottk: ask lots of questions and take note brian 02/10/05 22:02:26 Mike_IN: I use a cart unit still, I'll upgrade to a skid when I get a trailer 02/10/05 22:02:30 scottk: 1-800-357-6295 is his number 02/10/05 22:02:41 jbpowerwashing: is there anything you have to do to HD mach. Like upgrade or anything 02/10/05 22:02:47 Brian_Sawyer: thats steves number? 02/10/05 22:03:02 scottk: i know guys that still use carts in conjunction with their trailers 02/10/05 22:03:10 scottk: yes brian 02/10/05 22:03:16 Mike_IN: not really barry, they are good units, they may not last as long as a industrial unit, but they get the job done 02/10/05 22:03:42 Mike_IN: and they might be a little slower, but it's ok to get you started 02/10/05 22:03:53 scottk: keep the engine oil and pump oil chanegd and make sure it has a clean air filter 02/10/05 22:04:18 Mike_IN: to do residential work, you dont need a huge machine, unless you want to do big commercial jobs one day 02/10/05 22:04:56 Mike_IN: take care of it like you would a car 02/10/05 22:05:01 scottk: buy the $1000 unit...most are 3000psi/4gpm...anything smaller and you'll work a lot harder 02/10/05 22:05:32 Brian_Sawyer: I'll take any work that I can get, but I don't want to get a PW and realize that its not big enough to do the job. 02/10/05 22:05:54 Mike_IN: true scott, then as you work more, you'll want a faster machine and you can upgrade as needed, but to get started, you'll be fine with a HD or Lowes 02/10/05 22:06:15 scottk: our skid was under $4000 02/10/05 22:06:27 jbpowerwashing: I learned a lot tonite thanks mike and everyone 02/10/05 22:06:46 Mike_IN: my next step is a used skid unit, and then a new unti after that 02/10/05 22:06:52 jbpowerwashing: bedtime, gotta get up early and be a wage slave 02/10/05 22:07:01 scottk: nothing wrong with that mike 02/10/05 22:07:05 Mike_IN: take care barry, email me anytime 02/10/05 22:07:06 scottk: night barry 02/10/05 22:07:12 Brian_Sawyer: night 02/10/05 22:07:13 jbpowerwashing: will do, thanks 02/10/05 22:07:21 Brian_Sawyer: is everyone leaving? 02/10/05 22:07:23 jbpowerwashing: later 02/10/05 22:07:31 Mike_IN: yeah I got a few things to do before bed 02/10/05 22:07:37 Mike_IN: it was nice to chat with you all 02/10/05 22:07:39 jbpowerwashing Logs Out 02/10/05 22:07:42 scottk: later mike 02/10/05 22:07:44 Brian_Sawyer: cool. thats for all the info 02/10/05 22:07:45 Mike_IN: brain hook up with Steve 02/10/05 22:07:50 Brian_Sawyer: I will 02/10/05 22:07:51 Mike_IN: brian 02/10/05 22:07:53 scottk: i'll stay a little longer 02/10/05 22:07:56 Mike_IN: he wont do you wrong 02/10/05 22:07:58 Mike_IN: take care 02/10/05 22:08:03 Brian_Sawyer: night 02/10/05 22:08:04 Mike_IN: talk to you on the bbs's 02/10/05 22:08:10 Mike_IN Logs Out 02/10/05 22:08:23 Brian_Sawyer: so how long have you been in the business scott? 02/10/05 22:08:37 scottk: we are into our second year fulltime 02/10/05 22:08:49 scottk: we were part time for a year also 02/10/05 22:09:11 Brian_Sawyer: is the money good enough to go fulltime? 02/10/05 22:09:30 scottk: it has it's ups and downs 02/10/05 22:09:55 Brian_Sawyer: my girlfriend and I are wanting a parttime business to make some extra money to pay off bills.. 02/10/05 22:10:05 scottk: this is a good one then 02/10/05 22:10:19 Brian_Sawyer: what type of setup do you have? 02/10/05 22:10:44 scottk: 3500psi/5.5gpm hotwater skid .12ft trailer 02/10/05 22:10:49 scottk: 225 water tank 02/10/05 22:11:02 scottk: 30" and 16" surface cleaners 02/10/05 22:12:15 Brian_Sawyer: this is what we have been looking at. Its very fancy. Not sure if we want to jump in this far yet though. http://www.magnumclean.com/term.html 02/10/05 22:12:27 scottk: part time you could make an extra $500 to $1000 a month just doing housewashes 02/10/05 22:13:24 Brian_Sawyer: how many hours would that take. to make about $1000? 02/10/05 22:14:42 scottk: if you were doning housewashes at $150 you would have about 20 hr or less into them...assuming they are 1 story 02/10/05 22:14:56 scottk: that is a nice unit...but pricey 02/10/05 22:15:23 Brian_Sawyer: cost is $6725 02/10/05 22:15:48 Brian_Sawyer: doing house washes, is hotwater nessecery? 02/10/05 22:15:57 scottk: no 02/10/05 22:16:25 scottk: we only use our burner on commercial work and concrete 02/10/05 22:16:54 Brian_Sawyer: when someone says Flatwork, what does that mean> 02/10/05 22:16:55 scottk: last time i saw that unit it was $8000 02/10/05 22:17:26 scottk: drivewasy,sidewalks drivethrus 02/10/05 22:17:44 scottk: diveways 02/10/05 22:17:46 Brian_Sawyer: I think 8000 is retail. The place that makes them is about 2 miles from my house. and they said i would get it for the factory cost 02/10/05 22:18:14 scottk: a dual axle trailer would be better 02/10/05 22:18:44 Brian_Sawyer: if I was to get a HD unit, how often will I have to turn down work cause I don;t have the right equipment? 02/10/05 22:19:06 scottk: often if you want to do commercial 02/10/05 22:19:30 scottk: hotwater is a must for fastfood drivethrus and dumpster pads 02/10/05 22:19:31 Brian_Sawyer: is it better to stay with res work or do commercial too. 02/10/05 22:20:07 scottk: commercial is done regularly so it provides a more consistant pay check 02/10/05 22:20:45 scottk: if you can line up a few commercial accounts monthly they will pay bills whiel you pick up res 02/10/05 22:20:51 scottk: while 02/10/05 22:20:52 Brian_Sawyer: We really aren't looking to replace our day jobs. this is strickly for the extra money 02/10/05 22:21:35 Brian_Sawyer: we have good jobs that we really like and they are good paying. just want to get out of debt quicker 02/10/05 22:21:50 scottk: there aisn't anything wrong with that 02/10/05 22:21:53 scottk: isn't 02/10/05 22:22:17 Brian_Sawyer: my girlfriend is worried that it will take over all of hour free time 02/10/05 22:22:55 scottk: you can takle care of that when you schedule jobs.....don't take on more than you want to do 02/10/05 22:24:06 Brian_Sawyer: are customers cool with only working in the evening and the weekends? or do you think that will cause problems 02/10/05 22:25:23 scottk: i think most are cool as long as you tell them you do the work part time...really if your project a professional image they won't care 02/10/05 22:26:16 Brian_Sawyer: my girlfriend wants us to be very profesional. have a good looking truck and equipment 02/10/05 22:26:31 scottk: it helps a lot 02/10/05 22:27:17 scottk: a clean rig and truuck draw attention and that inturn helps bring in business 02/10/05 22:28:28 Brian_Sawyer: thats kind of the reason that we are leaning toward getting the nice Magnum rig 02/10/05 22:29:54 scottk: it's a nice setup 02/10/05 22:31:20 Brian_Sawyer: where are you located? 02/10/05 22:31:48 scottk: SW Ga little town cal Sylvester 02/10/05 22:31:53 scottk: called 02/10/05 22:32:05 scottk: we are about 4 hrs south of Atl 02/10/05 22:32:18 Brian_Sawyer: thats near albany right 02/10/05 22:32:38 scottk: yes 10 miles 02/10/05 22:32:45 scottk: ooops 20 02/10/05 22:32:50 Brian_Sawyer: I worked there for awhile that the mars m&m plant 02/10/05 22:32:59 scottk: cool 02/10/05 22:33:07 scottk: i used to work for cooper tire 02/10/05 22:33:29 Brian_Sawyer: I do electrical design work sometimes. PLC programing and such 02/10/05 22:33:56 scottk: coo 02/10/05 22:33:59 scottk: cool 02/10/05 22:34:15 Brian_Sawyer: are you going to be at the round table saturday? 02/10/05 22:34:49 scottk: no...i held one here last Sat...and we have all 5 of our kids here this weekend 02/10/05 22:35:19 Brian_Sawyer: is your company a LLC or sole proprieter? 02/10/05 22:35:30 Brian_Sawyer: how do you have it setup 02/10/05 22:35:33 scottk: sole propieter 02/10/05 22:35:51 Brian_Sawyer: how about insurance? 02/10/05 22:36:07 Brian_Sawyer: I heard its around 800 to 1200 per year 02/10/05 22:36:19 scottk: we get it through a local company 1million liabi;ty 02/10/05 22:36:26 scottk: $790 02/10/05 22:36:38 Brian_Sawyer: ever had to use it? 02/10/05 22:36:47 scottk: no...hope we never do 02/10/05 22:36:56 Brian_Sawyer: no kidding 02/10/05 22:37:33 Brian_Sawyer: what about being bonded. I see that on ppls ads sometimes. whats the importance of that? 02/10/05 22:38:21 scottk: we aren't bonded...if you were going to be inside customers homes maybe ...but not for exterior work 02/10/05 22:39:19 Brian_Sawyer: what about when their ads say that they are licenced. what is that? a business license? 02/10/05 22:39:22 scottk: we have considered some office cleaning...if it happens then we will get bonded 02/10/05 22:39:28 scottk: buiness 02/10/05 22:40:01 scottk: through the county,city or what ever authority requires it...if the require it 02/10/05 22:40:57 scottk: we have to have a license out of our town and other accept it......but that doesn't work everywhere 02/10/05 22:40:58 Brian_Sawyer: I'm assuming that you have a business license. do you have tax number where you aren't taxed on your purchese. I hope I'm not being to noisy. 02/10/05 22:41:44 Brian_Sawyer: so when you get a business license, its only for the town that you are in> 02/10/05 22:41:45 Brian_Sawyer: ? 02/10/05 22:41:46 scottk: we did without the tax number in 2004 but have one ofro 2005 02/10/05 22:41:59 scottk: for 2005 02/10/05 22:42:48 Brian_Sawyer: does it work when you buy your equipment? 02/10/05 22:42:59 scottk: we have a license for Sylvester.Albany,Tifton and surrounding city recognize it 02/10/05 22:43:45 scottk: i haven't bought anything new this year........makes me want to cry 02/10/05 22:44:16 Brian_Sawyer: I was wondering if it would work when buying a truck for the business 02/10/05 22:45:35 scottk: you can write off a huge portion of the purchase....the IRS is watching the purchase of suv's though 02/10/05 22:45:58 Brian_Sawyer: it would be a pickup 02/10/05 22:46:05 Brian_Sawyer: is there any major misstake you made when you first started out 02/10/05 22:46:13 scottk: it should qualify 02/10/05 22:46:31 scottk: not buying quality chemicals 02/10/05 22:46:57 scottk: HD chems don't do a professional job 02/10/05 22:47:18 scottk: buy an xjet....one of teh biggest time savers we have 02/10/05 22:47:21 scottk: the 02/10/05 22:47:38 Brian_Sawyer: I've been seeing ppl talk about them. I don't even know what they are 02/10/05 22:48:17 scottk: buy a quality surface cleaner.....steel eagle...big guy or something line that 02/10/05 22:48:44 scottk: steer away from the ones that are under $500...they just don't last 02/10/05 22:49:22 Brian_Sawyer: surface cleaners. is that one of the round sprayers for doing concrete? 02/10/05 22:49:34 scottk: yes 02/10/05 22:50:33 Brian_Sawyer: those look like they would really save alot of time 02/10/05 22:51:33 scottk: they do....we clean 8 McDonalds restaurants...the fjat work is around 4000 sq ft ...we clean them in about 2 1/2 hrs 02/10/05 22:51:46 scottk: a surface cleaner is a must for concrete 02/10/05 22:53:42 Brian_Sawyer: those steel eagles are expensive 02/10/05 22:54:11 scottk: yes but they are built like tanks and will last forever 02/10/05 22:54:43 Brian_Sawyer: did it take you long to figure out a pricing structure? 02/10/05 22:54:59 scottk: lol....still am 02/10/05 22:55:45 scottk: you start by doing sq ft...,.then move into looking at jobs and knowing(res0 02/10/05 22:55:52 scottk: residential 02/10/05 22:56:03 scottk: commercial you always measure 02/10/05 22:56:44 Brian_Sawyer: I know there will be a learning curve. how much would be a good starting price for drive ways a things like that>? 02/10/05 22:57:24 scottk: standard 2 car drive way(1000 sq ft)$65 02/10/05 22:57:55 scottk: housewash up to 2000 sq ft 1 story $145 02/10/05 22:58:34 scottk: decks(strip and clean only)$.95 sq ft 02/10/05 22:59:13 scottk: strip,clean,brighten and stain $1.35 sq ft 02/10/05 22:59:20 scottk: we don't do a lot of decks 02/10/05 23:01:41 Brian_Sawyer: driveways and concrete seem to be the easist stuff to start out with 02/10/05 23:02:01 Brian_Sawyer: I think I will wait before doing a deck 02/10/05 23:02:18 Brian_Sawyer: seems like alot could go wrong with those 02/10/05 23:02:30 scottk: they are a lot of work 02/10/05 23:02:53 scottk: you need to kow the right chemicals to use to make them look good 02/10/05 23:03:46 Brian_Sawyer: are houses hard to do? depending on the siding I would guess 02/10/05 23:04:12 scottk: vinyl,hardi board are easiest 02/10/05 23:04:31 scottk: brick isn't too bad as long as it's not new construction 02/10/05 23:04:48 Brian_Sawyer: why is that? 02/10/05 23:05:04 scottk: we can wash an 2000 sq ft single story house in under 2 hours 02/10/05 23:06:13 Brian_Sawyer: is that by yourself or with help? 02/10/05 23:06:19 scottk: me and the wife 02/10/05 23:06:31 scottk: she pulls hoses and mixes chemicals 02/10/05 23:06:49 Brian_Sawyer: what my plans are is for me to do the work and she goes around handing out business cards and fliers 02/10/05 23:06:55 Brian_Sawyer: thats a good idea 02/10/05 23:07:21 scottk: that's a good wayto meet new potential customers 02/10/05 23:08:00 Brian_Sawyer: are there any types of work that you turn down? 02/10/05 23:08:29 scottk: we do low pressure roof cleaning and i won't do roof i can't walk 02/10/05 23:09:06 scottk: 290 lbs hits the ground hard. you would feel the aftershocks in knoxville 02/10/05 23:09:12 Brian_Sawyer: lol 02/10/05 23:10:40 Brian_Sawyer: what pressure do you use for asphalt shingles. We have alot of house in my sub division that has alot of stains from the leaves and rain. and what chems would you use? 02/10/05 23:11:17 scottk: 60psi 02/10/05 23:11:36 scottk: wehave done them up to 500psi 02/10/05 23:12:27 scottk: if you do some reading on Rowlett's BBs you will find what the guys in Fl use is the fatsest and easiest 02/10/05 23:13:31 scottk: 1.8 to 3 pgm shurflo pump,200ft of braided hose and a phelps wand(Don Phelps shared teh design he uses so it gotthat name) 02/10/05 23:14:07 scottk: chlorine mixture mixed 50/50 02/10/05 23:14:37 Brian_Sawyer: what is a shurflo pump? 02/10/05 23:14:43 scottk: average 2000 sq ft house requires 30 to 50 gallons to get it clean 02/10/05 23:14:57 scottk: 12v liquid pump 02/10/05 23:15:27 Brian_Sawyer: I'm confused. would you not use your PW for it? 02/10/05 23:15:33 scottk: nope 02/10/05 23:15:50 Brian_Sawyer: 30 to 50 gallons of clorine? 02/10/05 23:15:53 scottk: you can but this method is easier 02/10/05 23:16:03 scottk: 50/50 mix 02/10/05 23:16:03 Brian_Sawyer: or the 50/50 mixxture 02/10/05 23:16:50 Brian_Sawyer: and the 200ft braided hose? whats the benifet of the braided hose? 02/10/05 23:17:23 scottk: regular clear hose will collapse under the suction created by the pump 02/10/05 23:17:50 scottk: the braide has stronger wall strength 02/10/05 23:18:28 Brian_Sawyer: how much chems do you think that I will need to get started>? 02/10/05 23:18:56 Brian_Sawyer: just for flatwork, house spraying and maybe roofs 02/10/05 23:19:36 scottk: we started with a 55 gallon drum of housewash...you can buy degreaser for commercial work 5 gallons at a time 02/10/05 23:19:58 Brian_Sawyer: is that what its called. Housewash? 02/10/05 23:20:11 scottk: steve rowlett can give you the low down on chemicals 02/10/05 23:20:23 scottk: RPCcitracleen 02/10/05 23:21:14 Brian_Sawyer: I'm going to give him a call tomorrow. he invited me to come out one saturday and he would show me a few things. 02/10/05 23:21:40 scottk: it's worth the drive 02/10/05 23:21:54 Brian_Sawyer: it amazes me that everyone is so helpful. 02/10/05 23:22:15 Brian_Sawyer: and the are so many boards to read 02/10/05 23:22:21 Brian_Sawyer: I've found 4 allready 02/10/05 23:22:31 scottk: we all have the same goal.....make money and raise the level of profesionalism in the trade 02/10/05 23:23:23 Brian_Sawyer: I figured everything would be closely gaurded secrets so ppl to lose work from someone else 02/10/05 23:23:23 scottk: go abck and read the old posts on them....threr is a wealth of knowledge to be had for free 02/10/05 23:23:34 Brian_Sawyer: I am 02/10/05 23:24:06 scottk: most guys will help...ther are some that won't if you live close to them 02/10/05 23:24:22 Brian_Sawyer: I can understand that 02/10/05 23:24:31 Brian_Sawyer: I don't want to take work from other ppl 02/10/05 23:24:40 Brian_Sawyer: I just want to make alittle money 02/10/05 23:24:58 scottk: nothing wrong withtaht whe you do it professionally 02/10/05 23:25:03 Brian_Sawyer: I would think theres enough work out there for alot of ppl doing this 02/10/05 23:25:14 Brian_Sawyer: oh yeah 02/10/05 23:25:21 Brian_Sawyer: if your going to do it. do it right 02/10/05 23:25:50 scottk: there is work everywhere...you have to knock on doors and talk to people 02/10/05 23:26:12 Brian_Sawyer: you won't make money for long if you do shotty work 02/10/05 23:26:34 Brian_Sawyer: what type of advertising do you do? 02/10/05 23:26:46 scottk: professional equipemnt,attitude,chemicals and appearance = professional results 02/10/05 23:27:25 scottk: newspaper,direct mailers,flyers....word of mouth 02/10/05 23:28:39 Brian_Sawyer: I've seen that most ppl seem to get alot out of ads in the yellow pages 02/10/05 23:29:53 scottk: i can't justify the price...for a 2"x3" ad they wanted $300 monthly andthing smaller was $190 monthly 02/10/05 23:30:22 Brian_Sawyer: wow 02/10/05 23:30:23 scottk: that is $$$ we can use to direct mail upper scale neighborhoods 02/10/05 23:30:55 Brian_Sawyer: interesting 02/10/05 23:31:50 Brian_Sawyer: do you cold call ppl? 02/10/05 23:32:12 scottk: commercial only 02/10/05 23:33:36 scottk: we do blanket bid neighborhoods on occassion 02/10/05 23:34:24 scottk: if the houses are all similar in size(sq ft,concrete etc) we can bid the same price from house to house 02/10/05 23:35:11 Brian_Sawyer: do you have ppl come up to you while your working on someone else's house in a neighborhood and give you work? 02/10/05 23:35:21 scottk: we did 30 bids like that today 02/10/05 23:36:29 scottk: we have a few times...we do most res during the day when people are at work...but we do put out flyers and cards on the houses close to teh one we are working on 02/10/05 23:37:17 Brian_Sawyer: have you ever had a problem with a job? like something was damaged? 02/10/05 23:37:46 scottk: not yet 02/10/05 23:38:58 scottk: you have to be methodical....work fast but not so fast you get careless 02/10/05 23:39:37 Brian_Sawyer: how long did it take you to get started to the point that you were making some money, and what type of equipment did you start out with> 02/10/05 23:39:38 Brian_Sawyer: ? 02/10/05 23:40:53 scottk: when we went full time we started with a rig similar to what you want..........when we were part time it was a cold water machien in the back of the truck 02/10/05 23:42:11 scottk: we are starting to show a little profit now...but i hope by this time next year that has doubled 02/10/05 23:42:50 Brian_Sawyer: is this all the work that you and your wife do? 02/10/05 23:43:25 scottk: yes..there are times that money is tight 02/10/05 23:43:53 scottk: you have to be a good steward with your money 02/10/05 23:44:49 Brian_Sawyer: if things slowdown, I have my primary job to fall back on for extra money. I just get sick of doing CAD work all the time. lol 02/10/05 23:45:17 scottk: lol 02/10/05 23:45:42 Brian_Sawyer: I work for a log and timber frame home design firm 02/10/05 23:46:14 Brian_Sawyer: I do drafting and design work. 02/10/05 23:46:23 Brian_Sawyer: it get old after awhile 02/10/05 23:46:29 scottk: i have thought about going back to part time.......there are advantages to corp amercia(steady paycheck) 02/10/05 23:47:02 scottk: i spent 20 yrs in factories and it's nice being my opwn boss 02/10/05 23:47:07 scottk: own 02/10/05 23:47:30 Brian_Sawyer: do you think it would be crazy to purchese a rig like the magnom one, with us just doing it parttime? 02/10/05 23:47:37 scottk: but if tehy pay and benefits are right i would go back 02/10/05 23:47:57 scottk: not at all....ig you can afford the best buy it 02/10/05 23:48:02 scottk: if 02/10/05 23:48:22 scottk: it'll last longer than an HD or Lowes machine 02/10/05 23:49:09 scottk: and it'll bring you more work 02/10/05 23:49:26 Brian_Sawyer: well we can't buy it straight out, but I think it would be a great investment if we are planning on doing this long term. which I do. this isn't something to get some fast money, I would really like to keep this going. but not sure I would ever want to do 02/10/05 23:49:30 Brian_Sawyer: fo it full time 02/10/05 23:49:58 Brian_Sawyer: but you never know how things change 02/10/05 23:50:21 Brian_Sawyer: you said that it will bring me more work. How? 02/10/05 23:50:34 Brian_Sawyer: just cause it looks profesional? 02/10/05 23:50:54 scottk: yes 02/10/05 23:52:00 Brian_Sawyer: when you started out, did you plan to make this a fulltime job? 02/10/05 23:52:52 scottk: yes.....i left a job after a workers comp settlement....and wanted to be my own boss 02/10/05 23:53:00 scottk: it was a hrd step to take 02/10/05 23:53:03 scottk: hard 02/10/05 23:53:46 Brian_Sawyer: I would say it was harder on the wife. they don't go for things risky like starting up a new business 02/10/05 23:54:37 scottk: yeah..she has stressed alot during the slower months 02/10/05 23:54:52 scottk: but when we are busy she forget all that 02/10/05 23:54:52 Brian_Sawyer: my girlfriend isn't completely sold on the idea yet. 02/10/05 23:55:15 Brian_Sawyer: I think she is warming up to it slowly 02/10/05 23:56:04 Brian_Sawyer: she's the one that suggested us gettiung the magnum rig. she thinks if we are going to do this, lets do it right and be a profesional as possible. 02/10/05 23:56:27 scottk: if you aren't going to jump fulltime...i say what's the harm....if you decide 6 months from now you want out you can get $6k for the rig and just about pay off the loan on it 02/10/05 23:56:59 Brian_Sawyer: thats a very good point 02/10/05 23:57:29 Brian_Sawyer: does good equipment have a good resale value? 02/10/05 23:58:15 scottk: yes....most well maintained rigs will bring $5k+ on resale 02/10/05 23:59:03 Brian_Sawyer: thats good 02/10/05 23:59:30 scottk: you are on the right track 02/10/05 23:59:53 Brian_Sawyer: the guy at the magnum place says the he give alot of tech support with his product 02/10/05 23:59:58 scottk: you are asking all the right questions 02/11/05 00:00:18 scottk: until you learn the machine that is and will be worth it's weight in gold 02/11/05 00:00:31 Brian_Sawyer: you have been a huge help answering all of them 02/11/05 00:01:05 scottk: out machine cam eout of Decaturville Tn(Largo) and if i have a problem i call them and tehy get me an answer 02/11/05 00:09:03 scottk Disconnects 02/11/05 00:09:03 Brian_Sawyer Disconnects

Ron M says: I agree. I believe this touches the Associate Members more than it does the Members. The number of total BBS users is aprox. 1,300 on PWNA. The total PWNA members who will have access to Vendor posts is int he 400 range. So the Associate members have lost 2/3 rds of the online audience they once had. But, the potential new PWNA members is the largest group to feel this change. They may have a plan to address this. We will see. I can see ways to address these issues, and to get the atmosphere they are looking for...and that's what it boils down to, image, atmosphere, created based upon content. Just my .02.... Beth

Posted by Henry: Henry, I never said that you said it...you seem a tad defensive. Relax. Just because I have heard it out of someones mouth before, doesn't mean it was yours...I'm expressing my own views on a subject, nothing more, nothing less. Have a super day! :dancing: Beth

Dodge is added...sorry. :cool: Beth

Hi Jon, good to see you. Pumptek also makes the Decker Topper, which is easier to get to all the parts adn cost less than the one on the cart. Beth

Scott, Anyone who wants to join the PWNA can do so by filling out and application and sending in dues. The folks at the office are very professional and do not handle applications with bias. I know you don't care for them, but if you ever did, they would welcome you. Hope this helps to at least ease any ill feeling about how they process members. Also , anyone who wants to join and has not gotten info before can request it. They will gladly send you info. :banana: Beth

Seth~ THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Talk about knowing your demographics and your target market.... The only thing I'll add, is that there have been quite a number of members who after a period of years ask for more advanced coursework and info as they grow to need it. Keep up the great posts! Beth :dancing: :groovy: ::beerchug: :bandplay:

IT RUNS HIGHPSI BLASTER MAKEWET DARTHIT UZDFORS how's these for kicks! ;) Rod~

In many of these cases, the client has never been met and the majority of the conversations have been accomplished by phone. Many times I arrive at an "unseen" site to do work and since it was at the clients discretion to not be there when work begun, there is no way to assess the situation, so therefore the disclaimers are your back up. No one starts out intending to create damage, but tempers flare when it is discovered and retribution is the first thing right after the incompetant contractor rant. Yes, informing the client is the best thing, but in this day and age where no one has the time anymore, things get done without ever meeting face to face. I have a number of these. If they bring up a situation, I will correct it. But if they decide to be ignorant of the circumstances and try to lay blame for damage that was not evident at the time or informed of the possibility of it before hand, then I have the disclaimer to set the playing field back to level. Then a course of correction can be discussed with them. Most of all, the disclaimers are there to stop the contractor abuse. Once the client realises that they have no case, then they are willing to work with you. Rod~

Mathew, Well put! Beth :groovy3:

Another great idea! Mike, I think you should start them off. It would be great if others did the same thing. A popular time seems to be 8pm or 9pm eastern. Most folks are out of the field them. Hope this helps. Beth

Mike, :dancing: GREAT IDEA!!!!! :dancing: When are you scheduling the one for your area? Just do it. :cool: Tip: give a week's notice... Beth p.s. you should put this idea in a thread of it's own and see if we can get others to chime in hold area chats.

Celeste - In a nutshell here's my .25 on what it boils down to. PWNA's BBS has been perceived to be a benefit that was available to both members and non-members. While members had access to more forums, non-members still had many places to grow and learn and to ease into their decision of if they wanted to join. PWNA members still have the benefit. Non-members considering joining have a benefit, but the perception may well be that since it has changed, it has been taken away. Alvin Toffler once wrote a wonderful book call Future Shock. Cliff Notes Version: the majority of people naturally resist change. There you go. Just my thoughts, but based on human behavior. Beth

Yup... Bullfeathers = Road apples = Horse Hockey = Popycock = Bunch of Bunk... Glad you liked the little rant guy. The extended smilie list has lots of cool little characted that you can use to express yourself. (the main smilie selector has a link to the box w/ over 100 more smilies) Beth

my .02 While compliance is a good thing for the contractor, non-compliance is Their problem. We dont concern ourselves with what the other contractor ...fill in the blank. It takes us away from doing what we do best. Serving the customer. We have a common dialog we use when clients ask us about other contractors; 'We have heard of them but you would need to check with them for that answer.' Otherwise, it becomes another form of bashing and there has been too much of that in this area alone not to mention accross the US. Professionals let others speak for themselves. Rod~

p.s. yeah it has gotten quiet...the bruhaha is over. it's probably better that way. time to focus on the new season.

This is what we use to address this issue. Rod~ In addition, disclaimers are for your protection. The rules of the epa are that the waste generated on their site is theirs until properly disposed of. They assume all liability including cleanup, transfer, disposal, and any further fees or fines from hiring someone else to dispose of it who does not do so according to epa regulation.

The status of licensed or unlicensed has no bearing on the quality of the work we do as professionals. That's the biggest problem I have with people who are pro-licenseing and who also try to say a license means better job quality. Bullfeathers! That's not saying a company should not be licensed, but it's up to the individual company to take the steps to do it, and it should be a private matter between the company and the state in question, not other local contractors or compeditors. Compliancy is a private business matter. There. I said it. Beth :rant:

Don't forget TONIGHT's Chat (2/10/05) at 8pm eastern http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums/chatr.php? If you have not chatted with us before, registration is easy (3 steps) . Hope to see you there. Beth & Rod

They will outline the format when you go to the meeting. Fortunately, you will be able to see who your competition is. :) They wont be duking it out at the meeting, but it is pretty interesting to see the looks on some of the competitors faces when they recognize you. You will go through a Q&A along with perhaps some slides and literature. We have done some of these regarding janitorial contracts and they will spec out what is needing to be done, what the budget is, the hours of service, the previous contractors itinerary and the term of the contract. We have been given a format to follow but it regarded Janitorial work which they wanted costing information for everything. With yours, I can only speculate so I will not go any further. Rod~

Here are a few tips to hosting your own chat.... 1. more notice is better - if you can, schedule your chat a week out, or at least a few days 2. post about it on the BBS, add an item to the calendar, and put a remider blurb in the shout box (water cooler) to help people find the event 3. don't just sit in the chat room for one or two minutes. stay in the screen for at least 30 minutes. People can't always arrive at the exact start hour. Be patient. Hope this helps. We would love to see impromptu chats start up. We can also add as many rooms as we need to, and would love to hear it is time to do that. Enjoy the feature and have fun! Beth & Rod

ABSOLUTELY! Anytime anyone wants to go in there and chat they can. Anyone who wants to post that they are holding a chat is welcome to do so. We'll help you promote it. Beth