Beth n Rod

Can't the two of you just agree to disagree? This is not the "bleach" thread.... Beth

Ok Jim, You turned this personal and that is not the way this should go for a DIY'er asking questions about a product. It is about the product. It AIN"T goof-proof! Now...How many trips to you make? Rick makes 2. One first application, then a second the next day. Where on the label does it recommend that? If it takes that, it should be indicated on the label directions for the user which btw is targeted at the homeowner. This type of information is useful for the homeowner to make an intelligent and informed decision. A/C recommends one application to saturation. I get anywhere from 100sqft-150sqft/gal and the result is consistent. You and Rick have your methods of working with Ready Seal and that is great, but the homeowner who started this thread does not have either of your experiences or knowledge. You are defending something without substantiating it with methods or technology to back it up so this person can understand and achieve the same results you guys get. Help the man, and not make this about you and trying to make me look bad. It didn't work. I talked with Peirce Fitchett and tried to get some information as to why it didn't work as expected and yes he offered to go out on a deck or two to help me with it, but that is contrary to the whole pitch now isn't it? If I can't get the results by reading the label and following the directions, there is a problem with the product or the directions. Yes, coverage rates may vary but 50 sqft/gal -vs- 150 sqft/gal is a significant margin of error which can lead to a DIY'er not ordering enough product and becoming frustrated with a product that promises to be goof-proof. ...and yes, with a 48 hour dry time, it was still oily by the time I got back so don't tell this person it never stays oily. This is misleading. And if the temperatures are not conducive to the product 'curing', setting up, drying or whatever, it may take longer. The man lives in alaska. Their temps and humidity are quite different than in connecticut or new jersey. Help the man out will ya? Rod!~

Great to hear it! Beth

Hi Jackie, Please go to SETTINGS and add a signature for PWNA. Thanks! :sunshine: Beth

Then send them in! Beth

As long as you like it, that's what matters. Beth

150 is too high a grit to use for an exterior wood surface. Beth

Congrats on your new little helper!!!! Beth

I just looked but no updates yet. I can't wait to see all the projects. It's fun to see other people's work. :) Beth :sunshine: :cup:

Jim, It is not a personal problem he had. We had Ready Seal sample wood - you know the kind that come on the little chain to show you colors? They sat in the office, and over time still faded. MANY years ago we tried RS and used it, first following the label (that didn't work, you don't get the coverage it says or did not back in that period of time) and then adding more product above the specifications. We moved away from it for very simple reasons: lacked longevity consumers preferred other choices when given options Pretty simple. You need to make the client happy and to the wood justice. For this, in an oil, we like Armstrong Clark. Beth

Pigment doesn't cure either....from what I understand. Beth

WELL PUT! Thank you! Beth

Rick.... Try AC. It's better than a CASE of Heinies! You'll love it. The wood will love it. You won't have to go to a deck two days in a row to seal it. Cheers! :cheers: Beth

ok, found the msds....finally! No driers, solvent is mineral spirits and an Algaecide listed as a preservative. Thats it folks. I rest my case. Rod!~

Ok, let's play with this can of worms. Now you are saying that essentially Ready Seal is a film former. In the past, you have stated that it is not and we all agreed. Now, unless there has been some dramatic change in the formula, your statement implies there is now a resin curative (drier)? Since when? News of this sort would certainly have been welcome news to those of us who used it in the past and found that 50sqft/gallon was not cost effective in addition to the unreliability in the results. Ex: Applied readyseal gold to a P.T. Pine deck, 345sqft including rails, used 7 gallons of product (5 initially, 2 upon return that same day) which is far beyond the listed 150sqft/gal coverage rate. Took 20 minutes to get back to the office (last job of the day) and the customer called to complain the crew forgot to seal the floor. I told him I was on the job and we definitely sealed the floor as well. He assured me it looked like it was missed. I returned to the site and was shocked that upon getting there, the floor indeed looked like it was missed. It was oily, but the pigment was gone. Looked nothing like it did when the crew and I left it earlier. This is just one of the examples of many customers who had the same problem. We applied more in the presence of the customer to his satisfaction, but when it came time to perform maintenance, he confided that the product quickly faded and wanted something that would last longer. The point here is that the product never 'cured'. The other point is the cost point for the product far exceeded our estimate for the job (345/150sqft/gal= 2.3 gallons) and became a loss. Repeat that over the course of a season and you can likely see our point. Perhaps up north where the temps are much more moderate and the season shorter may have some bearing on the products ability to perform better, regardless, I can state with all honesty that the product does not cure. There are no driers in it to my awareness and with no M.S.D.S. or tech-data sheet available to substantiate any valid argument to the contrary, this is all arbitrary albeit our own experiences speak for themselves. So, let's not go saying I made a misstatement here. If it is so goof-proof, we should not have had the problems, and surely we should not have had to use 3X as much for the exampled <10y.o. deck which was regularly maintained. I am glad to hear your work survived a thunderstorm, I am referring to another member here who in the past posted his results of the Ready Seal washing off into the pool after a rain. Combine that with our experiences and we quickly moved away from it as a viable 'sealer'. Have fun, I know you will, but remember, it is all arbitrary at this point. You have success with it, Great! We didn't, more failures than successes. Why the inconsistencies then? Certainly not goof-proof. Rod!~

Rick, You know I luv ya, and you know I enjoy yanking your chain. And you do know that AC has parafin in it too.....right? Beth :)

Most vague that RS MSDS.....HA! Love the Armstrong Clark. Beth

Rick, If it were a blended oil and had a curing oil you would hate it since you hate linseed oil.....or similar. "Damn Filmers" DO pigments cure? Or do the CARRIERS cure.....I don't see how a pigment can cure....please enlighten me further. And if Ready Seal were a blend, why you would love AC. I have to go looking for an MSDS on RS to see goodies.... Beth

Photos sent for both contests! :banana: Beth

Bill, On exterior wood structures, 60-80 grit is best for aiding penetration. You need a great deal of it to get a durable finish. Too little penetration and you lose duration. Up in Alaska, you have more days of cold and when that happens, the wood shrinks like a sponge being squeezed and without the pith and cambium below the bark of the tree, it can easily be exuded or lose adhesion. Complete your work during days that you have consistent overnight temperatures above 55* to avoid this. If you are looking for a lighter color, add some of the toner to thin the pigmentation down and on the 60-80 grit areas, you should get the result you are looking for. No, you aren't crazy, sounds like a pet project to me. Good on ya! Rod!~

Ready Seal does not cure at all Jim. There are no drying oils in it to help it cure or set up for that matter. It always stays oily like mineral oil. I think that Bill is making a good choice in Armstrong Clark's product though. I have samples of Ready Seal on wood blocks that have never seen the light of day and the color is gone. It all just dove into the wood. This means you have to fill it with a great deal of product to get any duration of the color. It's great as a conditioner, I have always said that. It can supplement dry wood with moisture and help it to be revived, but as a sealer, it doesn't seal, it inundates the fibers until it migrates deeper or is rinsed off with a soaking rain. Rod!~

We rarely have the need to work on roofs but in the past I have heard of these shoes. Kept them in mind in case we should ever need to do prolonged work in addition to roof harnessing. Rod!~

There are two contests right? Beth

Will enter this weekend for sure! Beth

SafeRestore from Eacochem works well too. Also, NMD-80 from Prosoco can provide good results. Rod!~