Beth n Rod

Ron, try loging out and back in, clear your cache and cookies. It works for me, for our staff and for others.... Beth

Ron...tonight WHERE? You should hold chats HERE and give some away here too..... Just saying....you really should! Beth

Do you think you could at least FIX THE FONT?!?!?! Beth

samples? Beth

Nope. Beth

There is a point to be made here since this part is deceiving in its implications about taxes in this specific case. Nevada does not require personal income tax from its residents and corporate taxes are offset by the CASINO'S. NGCB (Nevada Gaming Control Board) takes a hefty taxation from gambling profits and those are substantial enough that they help to cover the states expenses not including revenues generated by Gaming/non-gaming cards and health cards. These are required to be obtained by anyone employed in the state in various trades and professions. These are the equivalent of a business license for the employed. FYI, I worked in many casinos in vegas and lived there for close to 10 years, got to know some pretty influential people and learn many of the facts concerning revenue generation. It's a well oiled machine and no I can't tell you how to win any better than the next person. Rod!~

Welcome to TGS! Glad you found us! Beth

FAQ’s on Wood Restoration Read the WOOD FAQ Beth

Am I the only one who see's the resemblance of tones in both of those? I note the date of Celeste's link and it was during Bush's term. Don't misunderstand me, I just am an observer here and trying to point out my impression. I look at it in medical terms and try to find the cause and not just address the symptoms. Mr Iococca is addressing the symptoms and barely recognizes with the causes. Very powerful and successful man in the world of corporate business who has done great things for Chrysler but also asked for younger people to do the driving and stepped down as CEO. http://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/03/business/in-a-surprise-move-iacocca-leaves-chrysler-board-early.html?pagewanted=1 He was republican and didn't like the way things went under Bush either. Rod!~

Can't wait to see this! Beth

I'm only a chirp away like always. This will all work out fine. Somehow, you always land on your feet. And you have more lives than any cat I have ever known. Beth

Me too!!!! Beth

Great to see this! Their events are WONDERFUL! This is a great fit all the way around hope to see all of you there. We will be there! Beth

I posted. Maybe I'll win.....Crossed fingers.... Beth

Cool!! Beth

What is an ice dam? An ice dam is a ridge of ice that forms at the edge of a roof and prevents melting snow (water) from draining off the roof. The water that backs up behind the dam can leak into a home and cause damage to walls, ceilings, insulation, and other areas. Figure 1 shows a cross section of a home with an ice dam. Figure 1. Cross section of a one-and-a-half story house with an ice dam. What causes ice dams? There is a complex interaction among the amount of heat loss from a house, snow cover, and outside temperatures that leads to ice dam formation. For ice dams to form there must be snow on the roof, and, at the same time, higher portions of the roof's outside surface must be above 32° F while lower surfaces are below 32°F. For a portion of the roof to be below 32°F, outside temperatures must also be below 32°F. When we say temperatures above or below 32°F, we are talking about average temperature over sustained periods of time. The snow on a roof surface that is above 32°F will melt. As water flows down the roof it reaches the portion of the roof that is below 32°F and freezes. Voila!—an ice dam. The dam grows as it is fed by the melting snow above it, but it will limit itself to the portions of the roof that are on the average below 32°F. So the water above backs up behind the ice dam and remains a liquid. This water finds cracks and openings in the exterior roof covering and flows into the attic space. From the attic it could flow into exterior walls or through the ceiling insulation and stain the ceiling finish. Nonuniform roof surface temperatures lead to ice dams. What causes different roof surface temperatures? Since most ice dams form at the edge of the roof, there is obviously a heat source warming the roof elsewhere. This heat is primarily coming from the house. In rare instances solar heat gain may cause these temperature differences. Heat from the house travels to the roof surface in three ways: conduction, convection, and radiation. Conduction is heat energy traveling through a solid. A good example of this is the heating of a cast iron frying pan. The heat moves from the bottom of the pan to the handle by conduction. If you put your hand above the frying pan, heat will reach it by the other two methods. The air right above the frying pan is heated and rises. The rising air carries heat/energy to your hand. This is heat transfer by convection. In addition, heat is transferred from the hot pan to your hand by electromagnetic waves and this is called radiation. Another example of radiation is to stand outside on a bright sunny day and feel the heat from the sun. This heat is transferred from the sun to you by radiation. In a house, heat moves through the ceiling and insulation by conduction through the slanted portion of the ceiling (Figure 1). In many homes, there is little space in regions like this for insulation, so it is important to use insulations with high R-value per inch to reduce heat loss by conduction. The top surface of the insulation is warmer than the other surroundings in the attic. Therefore, the air just above the insulation is heated and rises, carrying heat by convection to the roof. The higher temperatures in the insulation's top surface compared to the roof sheathing transfers heat outward by radiation. These two modes of heat transfer can be reduced by adding insulation. This will make the top surface temperature of the insulation closer to surrounding attic temperatures directly affecting convection and radiation from this surface. There is another type of convection that transfers heat to the attic space and warms the roof. In Figure 1, the winding arrow beginning inside the house and going through the penetration in the ceiling, from the light to the attic space, illustrates heat loss by air leakage. In many homes this is the major mode of heat transfer that leads to the formation of ice dams. Exhaust systems like those in the kitchen or bathroom that terminate just above the roof may also contribute to snow melting. These exhaust systems may have to be moved or extended in areas of high snow fall. Other sources of heat in the attic space include chimneys. Frequent use of wood stoves and fireplaces allow heat to be transferred from the chimney into the attic space. Inadequately insulated or leaky duct work in the attic space will also be a source of heat. The same can be said about kneewall spaces. Photograph 1 shows a single story house with an ice dam. The points of heat loss can be clearly seen as those areas with no snow. The ceiling below this area needs to be examined for air leakage, missing or inadequate insulation, leaky or poorly insulated ductwork, and the termination of a kitchen or bathroom exhaust into the attic space. Photograph 1. A single-story house with an ice dam. The areas without snow are the points of heat loss. Photograph 2 illustrates unusually high heat loss from the roof. There is very little snow left on the roof and at its edge is both an ice dam and a "beautiful" row of icicles. Photograph 2. The unusually high heat loss on this roof has caused both an ice dam and icicles. So it is primarily heat flowing from the house that is causing the nonuniform temperatures of the roof surface leading to ice dams. Preventing ice dams In all Minnesota communities it is possible to find homes that do not have ice dams. Ice dams can be prevented by controlling the heat loss from the home. Dealing with ice dams Immediate action: Remove snow from the roof. This eliminates one of the ingredients necessary for the formation of an ice dam. A "roof rake" and push broom can be used to remove snow, but may damage the roofing materials. In an emergency situation where water is flowing into the house structure, making channels through the ice dam allows the water behind the dam to drain off the roof. Hosing with tap water on a warm day will do this job. Work upward from the lower edge of the dam. The channel will become ineffective within days and is only a temporary solution to ice dam damage. Long-term action: First, make the ceiling air tight so no warm, moist air can flow from the house into the attic space. After sealing air leakage paths between the house and attic space, consider increasing the ceiling/roof insulation to cut down on heat loss by conduction. Both of these actions will increase the snow load that your roof has to carry because it will no longer melt. Can your roof carry the additional load? If it is built to current codes, there should not be a structural problem. Roofs, like the rest of the home, should have been designed to withstand expected snow loads. In Minnesota, plans showing design details to meet expected snow loads are usually required to receive a building permit. The plans for your home may be on file at your local building inspection office. To help you understand the plans, or if you cannot find plans for your home, you may want to contact an architectural engineering firm. A professional engineer should be able to evaluate the structure of your home and answer your questions about the strength of your roof. Natural roof ventilation can help maintain uniform roof temperatures, but if the long-term actions described here are done effectively, then only small amounts of roof ventilation are needed to maintain uniform roof surface temperatures. If heat transfer has been reduced substantially, then snow will build up on the roof and cover natural roof ventilation systems, reducing attic ventilation rates. Natural attic ventilation systems are needed to dry the attic space and remove heat buildup during the summer. Mechanical attic ventilation IS NOT a recommended solution to ice dams in Minnesota. It can create other attic moisture problems and may cause undesirable negative pressure in the home. WARNING! Any person on the roof during the winter or performing work on the roof from below is risking injury and risking damage to the roof and house. It is important to contact professionals to carry out this job. Whenever a house is tightened up, ventilation systems, exhausting devices, and combustion devices must have enough air to operate safely and effectively! Weatherization contractors, who may be listed under Energy Management and Conservation Consultants or Insulation Contractors in the Yellow Pages, are professionals who can deal with the heat transfer problem that creates ice dams. A blower door test should be used by the contractor you hire to evaluate the airtightness of your ceiling. In addition, they may have an infrared camera that can be used to find places in the ceiling where there is excessive heat loss. Interior damage should not be repaired until ceilings and walls are dry. In addition, interior repair should be done together with correcting the heat loss problem that created the ice dam(s) or the damage will occur again. Preventing ice dams in new homes The proper new construction practices to prevent ice dams begin with following or exceeding the state code requirements for ceiling/roof insulation levels. The second absolutely necessary practice is to construct a continuous, 100% effective air barrier through the ceiling. There should not be any air leakage from the house into the attic space! Recessed lights, skylights, complicated roof designs, and heating ducts in the attic will all increase the risk of ice dam formation. Mold, mildew, and air quality Moisture entering the home from ice dams can lead to the growth of mold and mildew. These biologicals can cause respiratory problems. It is important that the growth of mold and mildew be prevented. This can be done by immediately drying out portions of the house that are wet or damp. See immediate action steps listed earlier to get rid of the water source. Action needs to be taken to clean the home environment and maintain its air quality. Additional sources of information that address these issues are listed below. The Minnesota Office of Energy Security - Energy Information Center has publications available online at Minnesota Energy : Home or can be contacted by phone at (651) 696-5175 or (800) 657-3710. INFO-U Consumer Line scripts are available at www.extension.umn.edu/info-u/ (search for topics such as mildew). Ice Dams

Hey - I'll post again if it will help. :lol: Beth

More snow today.....POOP!!! :lol: Beth :cup:

I think Adrian may be trying to tell us something... I tell ya though, you were lucky that this was largely a horizontal strip. I don't care to strip Behr when it is on rails. I don't mind when a product is difficult to strip provided it was holding up well and still looks good, but when the color is inconsistent with the picture on the label most consumers use to judge by, that is when I hold a grudge. Behr and I go way back and it has predominately been a thorn in most peoples sides. The exception being their White solid color stain. Pro's and Con's is; Pro- it lasts a long time Pro/con - it is nearly impossible to strip off Con - if there is any mildew present when applied, it will forever be a reoccurring problem. The rest of the semi-trans line ages miserably and while difficult to strip off, it looks bad after a year, necessitating the need for removal due to splotchiness on reapplications for maintenance. Rod!~

:lol: .....she said POOP!!! :lol: Beth

Ron, I respectfully disagree. I can believe in the org and still feel it is not my responsibility to pay for a speaker I didn't see, that was not paid due to mismanagement of funds! Beth

Yes. Have some patience. Thirty eight days is barely one month! Beth

If the ED told the Committee that the funds were there and it was OK, then shame on the ED. If the committee knew about it, then the committee should have done something THEN to fix it, maybe passed a hat in Orlando.... It should not be passed on to those who did not go!!! That's just wrong. Donations are one thing, imposing an extra fee, is quite something else. BOO HISS! Beth