John T

I definitely know who sent it to me. It was sent to this guys website email.. I'll call him tomorrow to see if he will comment about this on TGS. He thinks one of those guys is purposely messing with him.. Like you said Charlie "Someone has to much time on there hands". Better yet give me your email address and since your a BOD I'll ask this guy if I can just forward to you his email. Maybe you may know who it is. It's one of the reasons I asked if anyone else got this email. I haven't yet but then again I was never asked to help with the ***** so I'm not targeted with this garbage.

Sucks when you have to try and explain away once again another BODs position on things. Where having enough problems wondering why your president is all over the place recommending people to take the "Best PW school in the country" who just so happens to be your VP's school. Now we have a BOD point blank posting the goals of the ***** which is to from what it looks like is to shop their BMP's with EPA personal. Maybe he should speak to you so you can inform him how your one of the ring leaders about there being NO org. Involvement with the EPA.. He's in complete contradiction to what you stand for. This is what happens when stories don't add up. Better yet get Billy Booze here and let him explain what he's writing so you don't have to make excuses for him by suggesting "maybe he's thinking aloud" when he posted the above. Didn't you Guy just post somewhere here that your not happy your president is all over the place promoting your VP's school to everyone over all other ***** members who may have schools as well and you said "maybe the Pres is trying to help him out because he had a heart attack and maybe had some medical bill issues"? Common Guy give us a break already. Your better then that and where not stupid. Most of us posting here are seasoned contractors and when somethings not adding up were far from stupid.

Yes A few of us are going to ask them the questions that need to be asked such as why do automobiles get all the breaks when it comes to pollution and yet Powerwashers are getting scrutinized. I still rather get these answers instead of some VP Bullshizzing people on the net how he had fines overturned and laws changed.. Rather here the facts from reliable sources and that guy... Well you know where people stand with his stories.

Once again Barry you got me tied-- I can't argue what your saying. The leaders of the ***** spouted all over the place about BMP's being shopped.. And here in Red that's what there goal is. You know if these leaders were honest and just backed off and went about doing some work instead of jumping down people's throats then they should get a pass and we all wait to see what they come out with. But instead they fire insults at others when there goal is to do what there accusing others of.. Shopping BMP's to EPA types. Real good.

Lol.. The odd thing about this Mike is the person who maybe sending these out may also be helping writing some of these Certs but he's mad about something.. Figures. Favoritism pisses hard workers off... EVERYTIME.

Lol.. I thought it was funny to but when I got a phone call about this it seems the person doing this is actually a supporter of the org. who's president is doing all these YouTube video's. The person that appears to be sending these emails is unhappy about something that is causing drama... Nothing in this Industry suprises me anymore..

You read my mind Tim. I was thinking the exact same thing. I know you don't care for the idea about this Vegas Event that where doing where we are going to ask these EPA guys questions that we have. I completely understand why some may not like that. What's disturbing to me in the red writing above is guys Like Tony ************** and a few others were taking sniper shots at us for even bringing the EPA in to ask them the tough questions when all along the *****'s idea is to Deal with the EPA themselves. Seems hypocritical now reading that red writing coming from a ***** BOD member. I'm not even faulting Billy Booze for that because he never posted anywhere taking shots at us as if there goal was never to consult with the EPA. What where seeing now is the ***** has a "Double standard" since Tony is on there Enviro committee and he was rocket firing at us with this Vegas Event mainly over anything EPA. I can say that Barry has always been consistent in his assessments. Some of these other guys?? The red print now says volumes.

I get forwards every day on my phone text which sometimes I just pass them on if there funny. I also get emails sent to me all the time probably because of my last job. My response to those is always calm down, take it easy, don't take what so and so said so seriously etc etc.. I never mind helping to sooth people's nerves. This email my guess has to be coming from someone who's been reading some of these threads here and on other places. THE TITLE TO THIS THREAD SHOULD BE HAS ANYONE ELSE RECEIVED THIS EMAILS?

I like the cover to Nigel. Also your doing one great job researching this. I also agree that we all have different opinions and your right it should serve to help make the PWNA BMP manual better. Excellent point you brought up that we need to Identify the vision for a PWNA manual and ultimately it's mission. You are dead on about that.

This should be an interesting topic:) let's see if we can try again and keep this one professional. Ok here we go-- Take the poll then explain your answer in a Post.

Just think of Michael J Fox's character in the "Back to the Future" movies. I love those lines when someone calls him chicken.. Rick show the photo.. R U chicken?? Lol Watch the first 40 seconds.

What was your past job before you became a Powerwasher or while you were Powerwashing as well?? Many know I served in Law Enforcement for 25 yrs with the last 16 yrs I also power washed with a few guys. Today where starting our 18th yr and expect to be as busy as we have been for the last 8-10 yrs so nothing much will change there. So what Job do you have now while holding down your Powerwashing business or what was the last job you had when you first started to Powerwash? Also tell the TGS crowed maybe a little bit about your past Job and why you left. Enjoy.

Oh yea the reason why I left my job was because I already 2x put in my retirement papers the last 5 yrs on that Job because I was making decent money Powerwashing and I loved doing my business. Also 2 fulltime gigs was wearing me down. So the 3x was the charm and I walked on New years eve 2011 and even though I miss the people I worked with( We were and still are like family) I never looked back.

Great work as always Charlie. If Let's say that Deck was done in June do you think they can get 2 summers out of it or would it turn to fast and have to be done within a yr? I love the reds on IPE as well.

Well out of the usual org/assoc. discussions that come here, in mass land size the BDA is the largest. Now if you were all about promoting your self we would be seeing video's of Diamond Jim saying... "JOIN THE BDA BECAUSE WHERE THE LARGEST WOOD RESTORATION ASSOCIATION IN THE WORLD world world(echo). Then you would be doing a video on how everyone should hire your VP Shane...lol. But thankfully that's not the Diamond Jim we all know and love(as in bleach)

What is the BDA? Why do I smell bleach..lol

Still doesn't seem right that Ron is promoting the heck out of Dougs School as in Rons Signature now on ***, video's he's doing and Post he makes when 1 guy is the President of the ***** and the other guy is the receiver of The ***** president endorsements who just happens to be the ***** VP. Seems very wrong.. But hey the ***** BODS say it's wrong to do that and they now clammed up. So why do we care? Maybe we shouldn't because it's not our org.

Love these polls. Take this poll and put your answer down in a post.

I would love to see the Enviro Cert be the answer but my gut tells me if this Industry is ever really going to get recognized from an outside agency in an Industry Certification its most likely going to be based on Safety. The question I don't know here but I would wonder if OSHA would support a Powerwashing Safety Certification? So what do you think?

The first 3 choices to me all can have some clout one way or another. Since this poll you can only choose one I would like to take a class to learn and then take a Certification test afterwords so I can market that. That's a double winner. People may say the Cert end means nothing but to me it means market market market plus I very well may have learned in the classroom as well. Next up

Ok Tony you seem to want to play fair. Between conversations today with pick your order--Rob H., Mike P.,Robert H., Barry, Jim G., and your close pal tonight Ron M, to many text and emails and posts, you just know it's a long day when you have to use the landline to finish calls. So you want idea's ok. First off stop pointing out what you or anyone can't stand about fellow contractors, org's, and everything else. People will make up there own minds.... Knowing that alot of people don't care for org's, Certs etc.. What about the ones that do?? I do and always did. Some others feel the same while others are hovering the fence. So what do you do when it comes to Certs? Do PDF files for manuals if you can so people who get Certs also have the ability to download and print there org. manuals so they can reference them at the job sites if needed. Welcome newer members because some full timers may have lost some rock solid jobs so they want to now how to clean better and charge more. You don't want these newbies dragging the Industry down by being low ball hacks with zero knowledge. Include everyone who is willing learn. It's smart business. Dump the whole idea of free org. membership vs. donor members(just my honest opinion) because your setting yourself up to cause discontent amongst your members and once again keep the Certs only available to members so it's a win for the contractor and the org. Work with people instead of alienating because where all going to die one day anyway(ok graphic). How's that for a positive post:) I hate the fighting with my own probably more then most.. Believe it or not. How about you? I'll stop here because a post like this was inline with what caused me to get the boot on the bb you frequent the most.. Bring people together..

Hey Rob-- Tony, Ron and a just a couple of others who bashed the ***** Convention then, since I was involved you did a great job volunteering your time as Chair of the ***** Convention Committee and most that remember it said how great that Convention was. It was a beautiful thing and thanks for asking me to get involved then to help make it work.. A truly memorable experience:encouragement:

So Tony I am truly happy for you to get over that stroke. Shelly, Faythe,Chris and the rest of your family always comes first. K we can agree that family comes first. So once again who banned you off of *** and the ***** bb's @ one time? Who did that to you? Was it Ron, Scott? Who?

Very easy. I was on the phone and saw your new post. If you edited it or changed it since I wouldn't know. I don't blind edit or ban people if that's what your referring to. I banned now 2 people in my life and one should be back soon. Not bad Tony since I was with both TGS and *** from the beginning of both. Weren't you banned off of *** and the ***** bb's @ one time? Who did that to you? Was it Ron? Scott? To ring leaders on banning people as you know. Who banned you off of *** @ one time?

Lolololol.. Now that's funny. When do we get to read our private text on a bb? Tomorrow? Today? Lol..