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Doesn't answer the question. It's actually misleading. We used to have 5000 PWNA bb members when that bulletin board was near the top in ranked but the PWNA membership total never surpassed the 475 total. So once again if someone says "Hey Chris I'm thinking about joining the ***** and I'm going to budget it into my business expenses for the year. Oh by the way how many members does the ***** have?? And your answer is_____??

You may have seen him in the past or as recently as this past IWCA Convention. His name is Kenny Cohn (might be spelling his last name wrong) who was a past IWCA President. Its good to surround yourself with people like him. 2 yrs later I served right under Jim Grady who was also a past IWCA president who was the PWNA treasurer and when he left that's the position I was given. Jim Grady is aces.

Chris explain your membership totals one more time and are those members considered eligible to take your certification test if they have the 5 yrs or the training hours or both as per the ***** guidelines. Your quoted as saying you have over 300 members when people here where asking you how many "*****" members you have.

Gosh I'm eating salami on white bread right now and I'm salivating reading Shane's post above:excitement: - - - Updated - - - Gosh I'm eating salami on white bread right now and I'm salivating reading Shane's post above:excitement:

Hey Robert can you explain in the least amount of sentences what the first 5 yr plan was and then what changes second 5 yr plan is and also what yr did they start? Are we in the second phase now?

Lol...Thats it!! Lol. I remember the debates about that where Ev was saying the mill glaze was a myth pretty much. The mill glaze was coming from the blade that cuts the wood. Since Ev didn't really buy into the Mill Glaze conspiracy you nicknamed him Everglaze... Classic!!

Hello East Coast. Welcome to the powerwerwashing site with the largest traffic on the net.

Ok so what's Billy Booze's story then? I never heard of him until it was announced he was running for a ***** BOD slot. I also heard that he had a few people confused at the VOLA RT about the *****'s Free memberships. That's the first time I heard that mentioned and to this day I still don't understand what exactly is that. Charlie Soden is here on TGS as is Chris Apple saying the ***** has over 300 members now. None of it is making sense. Maybe we should start with Billy Booze. What's his story with the RCIA? Maybe once we hear that we can get a better understanding as to what he's doing with the ***** Certifications.

Sidebar note as per Conversation with Robert today--Here is the PWNA BOD's the first year I served. This was at a PWNA Convention in Dallas around 2004/2005. That Sport Jacket was given to me from Rod Rodriguez because they wanted us in Suit jackets for this picture. I think I only owned one then and I didn't bring it. If you can zoom in you will see my shoes. I walked a mile plus in the snow every day to be at this Convention because I was to naive to book in the room block. I look back on this and I wish then we had been more involved with BMP's. Today I am happy to serve with my fellow PWNA Enviro chairpersons even though its been challenging already. If its not a challenge then what's the point:biggrin:

Are any of your guys geared up to be able to get called from FEMA or many 1000's of homes that need to get pumped out when the next big Hurricane or Super Storm comes about? The Albany 2013 event listed in the regional areas on TGS is going to have Matt Johnson and Tom DeFrancesco speak about their experiences in dealing with the aftermath of Super Storm Hurricane Sandy that hit us in the Northeast. Do you guys have vacuum setups to work with insurance companies to deal with flood control? What's some of you guys thoughts on this?

Sweet trucks Matt? I have a feeling you made some good wood in my neck of the woods "Strong Island" :cool-new:

Lol..Diamond Jim is our creative quotes master..lol I see this and I'm trying to remember what Jim labeled Everet with.. Everready, Everlast, It was all good natured fun.. Jimbo what was it you use to call Everett again yrs ago on the net?

My guess is Everett Abrams a past PWNA president and owner of Deck Restoration Plus. Around Late 90's early 2000 he was the first I recall using this term for his events. He also used to have on average the largest Roundtable events until Tom & Barbara from ACR started theirs. Does anyone recall before Everett who was holding get togethers that were called Roundtables in this industry?

Jeremy Kiefer's Trailer Rig was just stolen. This was posted on PWRA' bulletin board. Jeremy just recently hosted the Huntsville Alabama RT which might ring a bell for the ones who don't know Jeremy. On stuff like this we stick together so pass this post around to wherever PW sites you go to and if you happen to notice some of his equipment or something very similar popping up for sale on Craigslist,EBay etc contact Jeremy. " Trailer rig stolen Guys, my trailer with equipment was stolen Sunday night. If you would watch the video and keep an eye out for any items someone is selling in your area on Craigslist or pawn shops. Big ticket items was a Pressure Pro Hot Water 5.5 gpm skid with a horizontal burner and vanguard engine. Also had an 8gpm machine with a 13hp Honda motor cold unit on it. The other big ticket item was a wheelbarrow type orange Rigid air compressor with dual tanks and I think a 5 hp Honda motor. Here is the video and please let me know if you see or know anything. Jeremy Kiefer- Clear Shine Maintenance Exterior Cleaning and Commercial Window Washing in Huntsville, Madison, and Athens, Alabama"

Guy a couple of questions: 1- How many training hours does a person need to have if there a newbie and they want to take the ***** Certification test? 2- How does the ***** determine if let's say a person has 2 yrs in this Industry and also 20hrs training time then how is it determined that they can now qualify to take this test? 3- How does the ***** determine if let's say 4 hrs training from an ACR event that's documented compare to an NCE event that may also have a 4hr documented training session? Are all these hours counted equally?

There were manuals in the past for the PWNA certifications. I had one for both there wood restoration Certification and a few yrs later I had one for there Environmental Certification. This yr I went to the PWNA Convention and took there Environmental Certification class where literature was handed out and then after this class I took there Environmental Certification test. You have to be a PWNA member to take these Certification test.. As for the manual Kris I'm going to say something here that sometimes I hate expressing some of my idea's on the net because the inevitable beat down that happens. I don't mind the beat downs when it's something worth fighting for and this one isn't but here it is. You right manuals are indeed important. Just like MSDS sheets are important to have ready available. Different reason but important never the less. If I was on a PWNA,***** or any org committee concerning Certifications there indeed should be manuals for all certification classes and test. You put them in a PDF file form so there is very minimal cost to them for the org members to get. Then from there the org member who pays for this gets it released to him where he can now download it and copy it on his printer. I would have a cover page, a table of contents page, all the chapter pages and then a back page in this PDF with the org logo's on every page. There would be pics etc. Now from here you study it and take the test. This manual can go in your truck near by where let's say you keep your MSDS sheets. It's always there where you can access it at any time to look up something that your about to do.. This idea just came to me because of what you just posted... Watch my back brother:)

That's what makes them have weight. Most other certifications in this industry are more of marketing ploy for your company. The one question I would have with some of these industry type Certifications is what happens on a lawsuit specifically civil. Are the groups giving them out bonded? That's the only leg they have to stand on. OSHA on the other hand is backed by what you said. Certifications can be a dangerous business to be involved in because the group that is giving them out are only backed by that group and they best be bonded because like in any business it just takes one lawsuit and bang...

Hey Mike- I actually advertise for yrs on my website my free Basama(might be mispelled) Certification that actually updated every yr. It was a 10 question online test which there was no way to get anything wrong. This was an Enviro certificate that originated near the Sanfrancisco area in Cali. I also had a PWNA enviro Certification that I took at my local library. This was cool. It was orchestrated by Pete Marentey who the library was involved and they actually timed me to take this test. I couldn't cheat believe it or not. I barely passed that test. That PWNA certification was good for aprox 2 yrs.. Of course I didn't push hard enough to get enviro work but between the 2 it was probably $200 or so to have them. I almost (almost suck) got a major NYC parking garage after hurricane Sandy hit. The PWNA forwarded my current Enviro Certification to me to pass on into the city. I almost(almost suck) got this garage but what held me back from getting it is my company has ZERO OSHA training.. That OSHA training is on my list next.

"Aint that the truth" that's why we need proper representation down the road. Internet discussion are great but the reality of them is no one is going to accept these discussions as a way to get the powers to be to do anything or even recognize us at all. Looking forward to having open discussions with these EPA type people down the road starting with the Vegas Parking Garage Event.

Excellent points Nigel. I looked at these BMP's in the past but I haven't really studied them as of yet. It's on my list. Hey fast question. Why do you suppose it is that for snow/ice purposes it's OK to lay salt brine down on the roads which most of it will travel down the storm drains if it has dissolved first(probably still end up down the storm drain) and yet our waste water is a total no no to let it pour down a storm drain? Do you think because of the safety factor here where salt/brine can save lives makes it where they get more of a free pass then we do? What's are some thoughts as to why this is?

Lol.... Where do you come with this stuff..lol

Or be heard. How we get there?? That's what where trying to figure out.

Lol.. How many yrs later was the Powerwashing part added? Lol

In our case the freezing temperature is our cutoff point. If it's going to hit 32 degrees or lower within 3 hours of doing an outside job then we'll reschedule. Had some bad experiences in the past including freezing up a long walkway around 6am in the morning where by 8am it was going to be a zoo. Luckily no one got hurt there.. What's your cutoff temp when you say it's time to reschedule?

Another good point.... There seems to be different standards set by the EPA which is why there most likely are lobbyist involved. Case in point- AUTOMOBILES- there's got to be more pollution caused by them then probably anything on this planet but you know there a powerful group with lobbyist etc etc etc. So that tells me instead of looking the other way and acting like no one ever gets fined for Powerwashing especially when your talking about the larger jobs out there must be something we can do. Suggestion would be to find a way inside to these EPA types and figure out what makes them tick. Why is there one standard such as dealing with salt brine possibly and dealing with Powerwashing runoff seam to be so different. Another reason why I want to see some of these EPA people up close and personal at the Vegas Parking Garage event because personally Mike-- we can all post about this on the net which is educational of course but besides that where does it get us in having maybe a leg up in possibly making the EPA be more understanding into what we do?? We can run but we can't hide so the road to success is to eventually deal with them as a group. In that group where going to need people who are intellects who can back up what their saying because we already know this is going to be an uphill battle no matter what when dealing with anything that involves the EPA.