Ron Musgraves

LOL that funny,,,, Ken i own a server company. if you need service let me know.

life is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks rodney

i never said your chemical couldnt be used safely. If you just call maybe,maybe, maybe i could explain more clearly. your getting upset over nothing.......its all about the process & %%%%%%

does anyone get this?

500psi is safe? You say its not. What if the PWNA tested the distance of psi 8 inches from the end of orifice? What if at 8 inches in there cleaning specs your meter at the pump needs to read 500PSI to be safe at that distance? Did you stop to think at 8inches its now 250 PSI a safe process.

Stop giving and opinion, I have education and experience About a process. Not and opinion because you now know that a shiggle will melt in a bucket loaded with caustic. ( at what level will it melt? ) Do you know. What if the bleach you used wasnt of the shelf at wal-mart and it was higher than 3%, would it be safe? are you certain?

Thats another point, glad you understand. safety is pH destruction is composition. ( what the chemical becomes) that a huge part. thats why i sked if anyone actually played with there chemistry set?

Being fair, Bleach... would not completly destroy the tile. it will take pigment out. So again process, %%%%% = good job

You attacked the process and the integrity of something you apparently know nothing about. Like most on bbs do. I’m not a huge supporter of the PWNA. I do not bash anything about anyone that I do not know for certain they are incorrect. You where attacking and making fun of Henry. He and I have had our difference but I’m a member of the organization and people work hard to make these processes better each year. I have said in the past I have made mistakes and I have learned. Often trial and error is how we get perfect. I have given many reasons why I refute your comments; I have given you example after example. You have not given me one argument except complain I’m wrong because something in writing I said was not clear and mistaken. At least I have given one reason, it could harm at the wrong level. I have a chemical (ACID) I use and its terrible stuff. When we ad the inhibitors it makes it safer and it does not harm certain metals. Chemistry is amazing to me. I'm no scientist but I have learned that chemicals can be used safely. Decisions and time will only tell the truth. We often cannot see the damage that’s done immediately. This is what 24 years of experience has taught me. I have watched damage and studied others along with my self and drawn educated decisions about process. To make this as simple, I jump your throat for saying your way is better. Yet you don’t mine or Henrys Process. I neutralize all roofs back to a safe pH level. I’m certain that 99% here don’t. I deal with corporate America and they care and understand wear and damage. Home owners trust we know what we are doing. (Should They?) I can’t rattle on tonight anymore about this subject. If you want call me. If you do not understand me I’m sorry. This very thing was a problem On www.pressurewashinstitute.com a few weeks back. If you attack a process and say it suck or is incorrect and have not seen or heard the specifications then your just plain wrong. I attack back because? Well it is wrong. Believe me I’m no Henry lover or for that matter a PWNA. But I have to stick to my respect that Henry runs a more successful operation than you may. Again I don’t know you so I really can’t say. DO you get it?

Yeah i went back and read, i was taken out of context. I was not clear... My fault. The process is everything, all chemicals are dangerous if mix with the wrong stuff. they all can change, that was the point and dont attack the usage until you know the process.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_hypochlorite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_hydroxide Let’s step back; this was taken out of context. I meant that results are the one in the same. I mentioned the only difference is that one will disinfect better than the other. I also have pointed out chemicals change make up depending on what they are mixed with. The cleaning results will be similar. One will work better on certain dirt’s than the other and be quicker. In the end you can achieve the same results. If you contacted a roofing company or asked your local chemical doctor he will more often tell you to use caustic. I may include the test and processes at the next PWNA convention. That should upset some folks. I’m so chemical safe and spent a good portion of my time figuring all this out about 15 years ago. Yes I was causing damage to properties. I wanted to continue safe processes and realized that after years of use with these products I was causing undo wear. I know about this and I’m not close minded, I learn things everyday and continue too. Some may think I’m a know it all? If you’re talking about Fleets, Flat work, decon or reclamation you’re not going to tell me much. (I still don’t claim I know it all) Further more all chemicals are dangerous if not handled or use properly. My mother told me that when I scrubbed the bath tub and mixed bleach with ammonia. The Caretakers' Website strongly advises School Caretakers NOT to use bleach in their Schools! Bleach is very dangerous. If bleach is mixed with ammonia, a chemical reaction takes place and it gives off dangerous chlorine gas. Chlorine gas was also known as Mustard Gas in World War II The link http://www.thecaretakers.net/CMS/content/view/46/1/ I’m going to play poker, I hope that helps.

PWNA was challenged, ************* ? I'm was just trying to say it all depends? details !!!!!!!!!

Better yet, at the next roud table i go to i will bring the chemicals i use and you bring yours. We can test safety and how well they perform. I hear all the time how chemicals work so well, hot guys increase the mixture to make stronger. I often wonder how much damage they are causing and wonder how that poor home owner is going to feel after they have taken life off the roof. Home owners not even aware that they have damage, damage that will not start to show but life expectency of roof reduced. I hear the same with the wood stuff and i dont know much about wood but i can tell you that over usage is the biggest factor and mistake made in our industry. Bottom line is Both chemicals can be used safely, does anyone want the real answers? NO because if dist are challenged then people get upset. is either one of these safe, no, not if used incorrectly. My point was someone attacked a process and no one really said why is this process dangerous. I think both are similair and i should have worded it better, the results of both will work. Both have side affects that could be negative. all usage can be dangerous. Beth just said i'm off topic, I will continue in another thread.

In this industry we use acids and caustics, some may use solvents for special types of sealers that require it. Some use these in the form of organic, most of these are biodegradable. Which means they will go into the earth and become part of the earth in a safe form. Solvents and some corrosives will take longer than others and some will not change in our lifetime.

Not to mention the tempertures of both!!!!!! oh temps, no one even knows what i'm talking about again. I realize i may sound like a jerk, You guys need to study this stuff your self. Often on a conrete cleaner is tell you it will destroy sealers.

I may have mislead my original statement but if you want to challenge that results of these chemicals on asphalt products will be similair I will challenge. The only different is one will work better agaist living organisms, because it kills them. The other will also remove but may not sanitize the area, which will result in possible growth again.

Did anyone here have a chemistry set? didnt you ever mix things and create new things. do you really think that when we use chemicals on unknown surfaces and wonder why it didnt perform as well or something strange happens? do we get this now????

Sorry Dan, take your shiggles and throw them is a bucket of caustic with some water added. Try and find that shiggle in the morning....LOL Not to mention is you test the bucket and find out what the new chemical in the bucket is??????????

At the right formula it will not harm the asphalt, if caustic is left on the roof each and everytime it gets wet it will eat the roof. Unless it was netrulized....

I have never even had anyone even discuss this aspect... Has anyone ever thougt about the damage they may be causing. Certain areas of this great nation the pH is very high and others its very low. When using caustics you need to know this, acids also.........

Exactly, then you realize that when you mix chemicals they change? YES these chemicals do not have the same dna. but one sterilizes and the other is a cleaner. The end result is find out what happens when petrolium products are mixed with both. If you assumed i meant they are exactly alike, I'm sorry. I also believe that caustic can be used more safely denpeing on the pH of the soil in your particular area. Bleach is not eviromentally safe for eviroment. PERIOD........ Its a great cleaner and when the composition of the chemical is correct can be used.

That’s too funny, I thought maybe you knew what you where talking about? Those chemicals are one in the same. LOL I don’t use caustic or what you may think is different sodium hydroxide to remove oil from concrete. It’s cheap and inexpensive; the only problem is that it destroys any petroleum based product. 99% of my cleaning asphalt exists. The real reason is that it changes elements when in contact with unknown surface. Most of you contractors don’t even understand PH much less composition. Take a chemistry class before you accuse a method or process of being incorrect. All my chemicals are mix in house and proprietary to PROPOWERWASH. One more note, are you real? You have no signature. No identity no nothing. I’m Ron **********, been washing and leading the industry for 24 years. Let me hear your identity, and your experience.

You dont need to be a member, Matt hasnt been one for years and is grandfathered in for lifetime. Never was a member.

On a positive note Henry has done a good job with his projects with the PWNA. EA is trying to focus on the over all members as well as run a school. I mean really whats the org going to become if no one gets paid some how? I see the need for benifits.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$