Ron Musgraves

No info lost, the old server is still running fine. Maybe we should have never upgraded. I guess if it aint broke dont change it!!!

Should be up after ip Switched.

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My only worry is security?

Jim your looking at Tax returns? You guys are so mean to Jim, he just wants to get along with you guys. www.powerwashnetwork.com Mark sells hydrotek stuff Jim, I'm sure you could help him and Carlos out.

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Up grade looks great, I have not log on in in about 10 years. PWN was a Greaser paridise, is Dan and Bigboy still around?

I dont think we are going to see it anytime soon. I will have to follow Scott one night and get the photos from a Distance. I may be wrong, I hope he brings it out in SEPT

LOL, Jim I have been capturing water for as long as I have been a Washer. My first large jobs I decon for Eviro Co, we live in seminconductor valley in the 80 and early 90. While washing in pads we had other jobs throughout the factory. This is where I learned about water!! 23 years ago. Three engineers : My brother, Peggy Stapleton, Ronda Tibbs. All on my facebook and please do not bother them Jim. All Chemical and eviro engineers...with PE The clean Water Act was all about no off property discharge. Nothing could go off site unless it was cleaned or drummed. I got the opourtunity to work with people who really understood the laws. 70 % of my knowledge was developed on these projects. Washing mostly Cranes and drill rigs. While Fleetwashing we always captured treated and disposed of the water. The suggestion I'm not and EPA guy is a bit of and insult since my lifes work is all about the industry and clean water. I can say this because its a Fact, Robert Hinderliter told me he has learned a thing or two from speaking with me about the CWA. I'm sure that through some insight many other distributors who sell equipment have taken more practicle approaches to responsible cleaning and selling of equipment. So actually chuckling with your response about you didnt know. I guess all those calls we have had didnt registar in your head Jim that I will and never will by your heat pressure combo or use of fire protection. I want to say in past threads I have advocated fire house use, I was wrong. ( In Gargage cleaning) New Construction is a different animal.

Thats a True Statement, but in 6th grade or 5th my science teacher Mr Garission explained Solids , liguid and Gas. When you introducing extream heat to water it turns into gas. When that water hits the outside temp of the vessel (HOSE) its traveling in thats when it turns to steam. Steam is a much lower PSI than water below 300. Has anyone ever put purified water into a electric coffee pot and tried to use it? Try it and tell me what happens to water with no metal in it. Learned that about the age of 9 years old. Back on target.... Nigel, Correct pressure and temp is very important. More heat and less pressure works well for gun and oil. More volume and pressure will always make you faster on verticle surfaces of course. I preffer low volumes at higher PSI on horizontal surfaces. Less water means less mess, less contaminants, less liabilty, less everything. I like controling the water rather than the water control me. Of course in a garage pick water and hazzards up. (proper disposal is always a must) I preffer cleanng this way because I sell more frequent cleaning even on garages. Build up is not there so larger water volume is not needed to be effective. This does not mean if you can run a 22gpm unit and do a garage faster and for money your wrong. Hats off to you!!! Its just not my way!! NOTE: I never reclaim a sidewalk on private property. Unless water will violate the CWA

Jim, I cannot take a fire protection system down to clean a garage. In the past I have even made these mistakes you continue to make. Public safety os a huge priority for my business, cleaning a Garage will never hurt anyone I clean for. Its wrong to use these systems and my methods may take longer as you are suggesting but safety is first always.

No one is stopping you from sharing the info with all these guys so they can become millionaires. Please Jim we are all off Topic on this Subject. I personally dont want poor Nigel being lead down the wrong road. Higher emissions more energy using more water is not the future in eviro cleaning. Its simple!! You will never sell that to me or any of my customers. Tapering with Fire protections systems is my garages will not Fly. I have to be a little funny on this one , Customer talking: "So Ron, you want to take my fire protection system down for 15 minutes while you roll in my building with disel fuel gasoline and other corrosive chemicals". HUMMMMM STOP PLEASE JIM hahahahahahahahah

Bingo!!!! gum and oil will always remove faster with Heat. Funny we use Sioux Steam units to remove gum on larger projects. The first pressure washer steam unit I ever used was a sioux. No one is saying Ron or Scott is better than Jim, his way of business is better or worse. Its very possible he removes oil better than I do. I just can and will never advocate large uses of water. Everyone here thinks opionions are based on how much you like or dislike a person. I use water at 300 degrees, have since 1984 I like Scott Stone but likewise if he thought I was telling you some BS he would call me on it. I would do the same and we both have corrected and proven each other wrong or right in the ten years we have known each other. Jim knows the truth about hos own methods, thats why his focus off heat has faded. NOW he wants to recycle all the drinking water in SF while cleaning Garages. JOKING Haha The point above is I have been proven wrong and when I'm proven wrong. I simply learn and move forward with my new knowledge. I hope you have not wasted much time on this because its the correct combinations not more of both. Imagine when I first started we only had 4 gallon a minute 2000psi was top of the line. We used the steam cleaners to remove gum always, because the BTU's only heated the water in the 4gpm 2000psi unit to about 150. I forgot to tell you I have a 10,000 PSI cold water unit that pushes 12 gallons a minute. The water is 140 to 160 depending on the day and how cold the water if when we start. Yes thats a cold unit with powered by a diesel motor. NEVER USE IT!!! To dangerous, to much water and just to large for anything I have. Bought it for fleets washing Ariel cranes 20 years ago. Still starts and runs......I keep it as a collectable to my own Shrine. reminds me of dumb things I have done when young and foolish thinking bigger the better. Good Luck Nigel Yes, my equipment is very simple. Very durable and tough. Its realiable and well maintained. I made all these super rig mistakes...had the triple rig being pulled by a tractor. SO large you couldnt get it into the garage, we ran 500 feet of hose from the exterior. NEVER AGAIN!!! Everyone saw two of my trailers phoenix, they all look like identical twins. The same down to fittings ,hose, lights, ect. very simple...employees dont need to be trained on how a different looking one runs or operates because they are all the same except the numbers on the sides.

All that doesnt change the demo you also saw in Las Vegas right over the same Path with a 200 degree 3500 landa unit that cleaned right over the path Jim did? Explain how it cleaned it better right over the top of 300 degrees it was. Pressure I have no idea...?? But it was not as good with regular old dust. Oil I'm sure Heat has a factor on. We use steam to remove gum at low pressure faster than 3500 200 degree water. Because the 300 degrees melts the gum quickly. Excess use of energy and water in Jim proccess is ok with me. Of course I'm going to be eviro safer at the end of the day. Less emissions, Less fuel, Less water, Nigel I have a respect for you and Jim, Jim uses fire hoses and I also once used them. Jim has talked with me about this early on when he was drilling me about my precedures. I adopted the fire hose from New contructions clean ups. Now that I understand the value of water savings and contaminants I realize the increase of speed by using fire hoses is not worth the amount of water I'm poluting to complete a job even if its slower. ( the buildings I do cannot have fire equipment tampering) Safety is just another reason. My chemicals are far superior than the average guy. They are drinkable and safe, they are my own as you know so others dont bother asking. I can clean without heat if needed. We use heat because it speeds the proccess and reduces labor costs. I have been refining this proccess for over 25 years. I can tell you this, Scott Stone is my freind. Some may say Jim is the Garage Guru, Jim has a method I frankly respect but highly disagree with the method because of the waste. We can claim we are eviro contractors at those ratios of water usage or emissions. In a Sales sistuation I will tear it up!! I can tell you that Scott has taken it much further than Jim when it comes to inovation. Unlike Jim Scott keeps very silent about the accomplishments and advancements he has made. Scotts actually the reason some of these manufactures are building some of the larger and riding equipment out there. He is very modest about this also. I on the other hand if I had accomplished some of the things Scott has, might be worse than Jim about telling the world about them. Nigel, its good seeing you and always good debating with you. Theres just simply no argument about the theory, even Jim talks less about heat over 300 since that Vegas round. The new thing is large filters not required if you use the proper closed loop and clean responsibly. Have a good year my freind!!

Scott, I want to Know when your going to let the cat out of the bag on your riding self contained garage cleaning vehicle? This is not a Joke, Scotts has actual vehicles he uses. He may get upset about me annoucing that but I really think its time you show the world Scott. Is it called the STONE RIDER!!! Jim and some others might think I'm joking about this but I'm not. Scotts light years ahead of most in this business, I suspect he will stay the front runner as secret as he keeps his technology. Jim I love ya big guy, I saw that with my own eyes. Vapor will not clean as effective as the proper heat and pressure combo. Thats leads me to this question for Nigel and Jerry, what is that right pressure combo water volume?

That tool is universal, if i can dig one up I'm not using just text the address, ill send it

Jim I would just use a prevost bus, this way you could be comfortable when crews are cleaning. LOL

Mine are Adjustable, Landa built a Tool that sets the angle we never use it. We should but we don't, kinda a prefference setting for tech. Nigel how are ya? called ya when on the east coast buddy your always busy.

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