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    John I retire from bantering about nothing.

    I'll make this clear, I do not hate the trade association or anyone involved.

    Some have simply lost my trust to work with them. It's personal between me and them.

    I'm sorry you feel the way you do John , I deeply sorry you keep affecting our friendship we have had for 11 years.

    Stop making me out to be a pr-ck because I gracefully turned Linda's plaque down. I appreciate what you and her did. I also wanted to personally thank her. You didn't even want to send me her email. So thanks anyways John but stop already.

    Get some sleep it's late in new York .

    If you want to discuss profit non profit I'll be happy to. If you keep wanting to paint this hatred picture I'm done.

    Ron ********** text me for questions 480-522-5227 Pressure Washing Institute

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    The difference is Robert has been dealing with regulators and working with them in educating them to help come to a rational solution for upwards to 20 yrs now. NCE has neen around what 2-3 yrs and suddenly there the authority in it all.. Robert is so very well known in this Ron when it comes to Environmental cleaning way before you ever even mentioned that word. He is so very well known in this field where no one knows who you are besides the Internet.

    Face the facts he is and we'll remain in history in this industry as the one who stepped out front and Center in Environemtal cleaning probably when you were still in diapers.

    You can't change history and that is what I'm dealing with right now. Maybe you should learn to respect some history instead of saying your are historical. On this one Ron no matter where NCE heads or where they end up or how rich you get from it... You were no where to he found when Robert first started on his trail to do the right thing. You should give him the respect he deserves. But then again you thought the Ruth thing was phony baloney to... And now you want to thank Linda personally.. For what?? Her camp has done there due diligence like you should and they already know about Robert by what he has done.... And your in the industry and you won't even respect that..

    Except this for what it is... And it's a good thing... And no you can't change or alter.... History..not even in the Powerwashing field.

    But please do.. Come to next years PWNA's convention and see history happen. I'm still working on getting Robert if I can the recognition he deserves... And you'll want to be a part of that one for sure. Your to smart to blow another opportunity.. At least I think you are. See ya in Fla next year. I'm sure you'll be there.. Yup I'm that confident on it. you'll be there:)

    John I've been attending the conventions since the Pwna was started again by Daryl and Paul. Attended the first convention since the org was revived and Robert was accepted back in. You see history is just that history.

    What's this got to do with profit or non profit everything.

    In a non profit you own a piece of the org. The bod works for its members and there interests.

    In this org that frankly doesn't happen. Despite some good people involved in this organization there's a bit of confusion to how that really works.

    Keep on posting John and stop closing threads.

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    Back to the EPA issue.

    The Power Sweepers association has done a good job of taking an offensive posture and has convinced the EPA that they are their biggest ally. They didn't do this by coming together and showing how they can "reduce" the pollution they "create". They did it by showing that contaminates left alone, will wash down the storm drain and have placed themselves as a friendly force to help reduce that contamination.

    This relationship didn't happen overnight. It was the result of years of putting up the fight to show the EPA the extend of their ability to combat pollution. We've had 20 years and we are still presenting ourselves as evil polluters that have to be corralled with strict regulations. Where has the lobby been to present us as an ally in keeping the environment clean?

    They don't have to deal with a bunch of ridiculous BMPS that double the workload and the cost of the jobs. That would be self defeating for the industry AND for the municipalities. Sweeper trucks in the summer put down far more water directly into the street than most of our rigs do. But yet they work with impunity because someone in their industry was smart enough and connected enough to put them in an OFFENSIVE rather than a DEFENSIVE light.

    The worst thing they have to deal with at this point is the air pollution issue. But they have won over their opponents on this matter too in just about every area but California. I've been keeping an eye on them for 2 years now. I'm interested in the ways they go about tackling the problem. The first thing they did was produce their own independent studies.

    Frankly it's disgusting we are still telling regulators and contractors we pollute instead of we reduce.

    Power sweepers have made regulation with munis beneficial to there industry.

    20 years we are way behind all sectors of the cleaning industry.

    Part of the problem John is your stand on Pwna this and Pwna that. There's way more out there, but for 20 years they have not worked with much of anyone.

    Nce has worked With three university's and so many regulators in outreach we lost count.

    Spreading the word no off property discharge in the most responsible. While national org miss guide this industry into close loop as the end all.

    Stop talking about how Robert suggest use socks swimming pools and other forms of devices while at the end of the day he tells regulators in his opinion it's except able amounts. That doesn't work!!

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    now your gettng it Ron. Your words above. Your not the only one who can benefit if your a pwna member..all PWNA members will benefit thats why you may see a large membership climb. Good to see you understand this.. And no one who cares ever believed in your "They want to stay small theory"because like your words say above and now you understand.. Us PWNA members and our Vendors benefit greatly when we keep growing.... Enjoy the ride and Keep marketing your Membership like Kory did in that article about him. Smart man... And No PWNA is not your competitor. Feel free to re-join so you can benefit to.

    The difference is that it's a profit corp not non profit. So control can be maintained. Yes I get it!!!

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    Hey Ron... The PWNA will continue to move forward. That's the impression now many are getting. We all know they hit a few bumps in the road... But there still here going on 20 yrs. Many companies do certifications and people will have to decide what works best for there company and the ones who give it will they back it up if the company needs them to.

    This is where I like the fact that a national org is behind endorsing some of these certifications because that adds alot more weight IMHO....... Hey good luck with NCE and certifications.. Your willing to back them that's good for the ones taking them. That's what I like and on top of that I have a national org's backing to.

    This next year is going to be fun with the PWNA...hope to see you in Florida at there next convention...

    John will all see in the coming years , you see the larger the association the larger the industry. We all would benefit, I more than anyone stand to gain. The larger the better.

    You see Pwna gets larger or any trade org grows Nce grows.

    We are no different than joe walters. We prosper off a larger association.

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    Hey Ron.. I'll get back to this later. You can see the huge difference from your mindset to mine...and more power to ya and congrats on your awards... But I never signed up anyone to any org and I'll never take credit for other peoples jobs in a non profit. Thats the mindset of profits to non profits. We think for the group.

    Great John

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    The biggest difference is this. A non profit is built for the greater good of a group. The profit is built for the greater of the one. This is why the NCE would work for Ron because he can call all of the shots like most business people who own a business want to do. in Roberts case he works for a "Not for Profit" org because he wants to be a part of something that works for the greater good of a group. Huge difference there ... Real huge. Robert personal business like all of ours is a profit type where he wants to make money for his family.

    To get way more accomplish on a grander scale for many is the non profit. Powers to be will listen, grants are easier to get, tax breaks are plentiful if you play by the rules....

    So simply put on a large scale to get work done that you want to be recognized for it... You do it in a non profit format and I think Robert has this all figured out.

    I'm already aiming hi again soon because the PWNA's next convention is in Florida... Which is still Jeb Bush Country who still resides in Miami Fl. I'm going to reach out thru the year to see how I can get the Bush pres. Or there brother to possibly recognized the PWNA or more importantly for me at this time is to Recognize Robert for his Environmental studies and conclusions that are the basic standards in many area and these standards can be tweaked to where they have to be all thru-out the country....

    And truth be told... I almost had Peter King who was going to recognize Robert... And due to time restrictions.. I lost that one when I had it.... Reason why Linda came thru so big for Robert and Joe.. Because she felt my pain...

    So don't count me out.... And no doubt its time a 20 yr old national org takes charge to help benefit it's members and also the industry because they will become known... Schizz congress knows of them already as they do with Robert.

    All the other stuff like NCE and many others who are privately held I wish them luck. I might even take one of Rons Certifications but if you want me for free then I have to get a benefit that will help the masses and on the profit end I can't see how you can sell that with the all mighty buck being the main goal.

    This is going to be fun.... Quick note the PWNA has signed over a hundred new members already... So get ready... No games in here.

    Thats great John you sign on a 100 new members , that's great so we are approaching the 400 mark your saying. Because last sept we had 256. Love to see confirmation with Jackie.

    We realize Robert has done a great job. I'm happy I heard he actually talked about compliment work places. It's getting better the message.

    The Pwna has been near the 400 mark. The Pwna has certified 1000s over 20 years.

    Let's hope we all can have a good non profit or profit org in the future.

    Nce has run several hundred thru training and certs. Many Pwna members along with Pwna training.

    Nce launched the current enviro program in 2009 at event in Alabama. (FYI) With Robert

    Nce is not a competitor John , we resurrected this org over the last 18 months. I received and award for it John. Yeah!!!!

    We are a profit co. We will remain one until we close the doors.

    We have raised more money for charity in four years than most of these non profits have raised in 20 years.

    I will donate 100% of any training I do personally to charity.

    Yeah John I'm bragging, why because at the end of the day my company along with my partner have made a greater impact on this industry than most have in 20 years.

    This is no disrespect to the founders because they can't do much after being kicked out by others in the industry. This is what's wrong with the non profit. No one has any control and vision is all over the place. The next president will foil the idea from this one and the vicious cycle continues.

    The Pwna has been kept small and looks like it will remain small, unless it's actually profit and someone forgot to tell you.

    Ron ********** text me for questions 480-522-5227 Pressure Washing Institute

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    The link you posted was to a trade article, not the EPA. Be careful of what you read and how it is interpreted. Next thing you know you will have people believing that the EPA says things like "nothing but rain down the drain".

    They already do believe that. Nothing wrong with it as long as its not taken literal.

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    You might want to go to this link and read what is happening and the time schedule

    Planning is Key to MS4 Success As Phase II Deadline Nears | stormh2o.com

    Most Municipalities are in their 2nd 5-year plan and our industry is targeted! Just a hint to the wise.

    The BMPs listed in the EPA menu fall into the following categories:

    Detention/retention facilities

    Infiltration practices

    Filtration practices

    Vegetative practices

    Runoff pretreatment practices

    "Green" site design

    Experimental practices

    On-lot treatment

    That might be the best thing you have linked too Robert, I hope your understanding that section.

    Outfall is key to complete compliance and how I have operated for nearly 27 years. Green built property's are what we all should be striving for.

    Pretreatment and hauling a secondary or third measure.

    I'm happy you attendee storm com.

    Next question and it's just a simple question. Is the Pwna actually a non profit association? It's a question not and attack. I have never received a tin being able to classify any of my donations or membership I have bought. I reach the IRS limit last year and never got the number. I might have been the largest contributor. Well my credit card says I was!!! Of course I wouldn't know how much money anyone else paid.

    John before you chime in about me never paying for memberships I might think twice about that statement. My charges have all been on record with bank. My records are meticulous so just and FYI

    By the way since this is a thread gone off subject note it was not by me.

    If your going to support a trade association join a local community one of business people against this regulation.

    No trade association in our current industry can help with local matters.

    Because these situations involve population demographics and build regulation each city may have different needs. Coastal city's have specific problems.

    Fleet washing to sidewalk cleaning is a different animal.

    Our trade association do not even have standards for these simple things much less knowing how to reduce pollution.

    20 years of frankly ongoing crap.

    Contact local authorities and build outreach programs yourself. Many of the engineers do to stormcom and other smaller organization are forming.

    Soon our industry will have a environmental org working responsibly for the industry. It's efforts will be to make awareness to public about cleaners being able to reduce pollution and minimize discharge to the ms4. In most case eliminate.

    Profit or non-profit does make a difference , abuse of non profit is world wide. Your actions of how the organization handles and educates the public and members is what will matter. So to answer the original question this really means nothing. Non profits receive benefits from the IRS. Only other non profits care!!

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    don't worry Ron many guys in the industry has thanked her including some guys from ***... So all of that is covered. She's moved on. She's most likely coming to another dinner with me in the spring... That I go to every year because it's pretty much like a party from the roaring 20's.

    Nice article by the way about you guys in Allison Hester's online magazine. She is one heck of a writer. When I was reading some of here draft on the Ruth thing all I saw was she's aiming big.... And she did it.. She hit a grand slam in the bottom of the ninth.... And this story has not ended.. She'll be at bat again another day again to swing for the fences.

    Glad you noticed we bought a wish with the help of the industry.

    Please give Linda my number 480-522-5227 anyway if you could John. I want to thank her personally.

    Allison is a great writer, she writes good articles. She has a Brite future in this industry.

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    Hey Ron.. The convention most likely is going to be first then it may end up to a cruise. Not sure.. Convention committee's take awhile to get there plans set in stone.. Wait to see what there plans are..

    You mean wait till Daryl chooses the spot. Daryl has selected the last four years. I sure hope someone else like a committee selects a place. I heard this year was better but the last three years really was horrible.

    I vote no on a cruise, don't want to be stuck on a ship with Powerwashers. Not my idea of a great time. Beside going on a norway cruise next sept. (taking one of my many wives) maybe all of them.

    I'm happy you guys had a good time and the babe thing worked out.

    John please get me Linda's contact info I have something I want to send her. Pls email or text me.

    Who won the skid and joe walters award?

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    Ron you missed one good show that was inspirational to boot. I couldn't convince you of this but you missed some great times and also the ride....

    Come next year. I'm debating on bringing one of my famous customers if I can think how she can help the Powerwashers and now in this case the PWNA... She would be a great spoke person because she still looks great.... She was a famous Super Model... and if you Listen to Howard Stern you know who she is...I don't even listen to Howard but then again she is my customer.... CAROL ALT... Age has been great to her:)

    John nothing could pull me away, my Caedy turned four. 48d0f26c-a702-61c4.jpg

    I don't think I'll make it next year. It's a cruise. Boats and me don't work well.

    Glad you guys had a great time!!

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    I lost a good friend and neighbor this afternoon. I was working in the garage when my wife called out to me and told me that our neighbor's little SUV was in the street backed up to our fence. I walked over to see the rear wheels against the curb and the motor off. I walked over to the passanger side to see my neighbor twisted under car at an impossible angle with her head crushed between the curb and rear tire. Awful, just awful. It happened because she parked the car in the garage but didn't put it in gear (or it slipped out of gear - standard transmission), walked down to get the mail while the car started rolling backwards. I guess she tried to stop the car but was dragged under it and crushed. I'll miss you Jackie, you were a great neighbor and even better friend to us. 36 years old it too young.

    That's terrible, prayers to her loved ones sent.

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