Ron Musgraves
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Any grime scene folks in west la
San Diego next week!!
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John.....weren't we talking yesterday about "over-talking" things, because you just did it again and I got lost :)You would think that with a wife as smart as Kathy, a friend Beth - as good of a writer as she is and me as the "tough cookie" southern translator - the three of us SHOULD be able to put some coherent words down for you :D
Let me see if I can get this right from the above rambling:
1. You did a really nice thing cleaning a memorial (without permission).
2. The recipient took that gesture for what it was - a kind and generous thing to do.
3. You told her about other contractors that do that.
4. She is recognizing that and because of WHO she is, others are taking notice of this industry's actions.
5. Because of these new people taking notice, other contractors are now coming forward with good deeds.
6. Because people are now noticing all the good deeds, our industry is going to be recognized as good people and will likely see a return on their kindnesses.
7. Somebody has ultimately decided you are aren't just a good egg, you're a super egg and better things are happening for you because you paid so much forward for others in our industry.
Kinda like that?
That was nice Celeste , you should write.
Great job John , good luck and tell Linda the babes the greatest. Did you see the new movie yet? Money ball!!! The babe was in it, mentioned.
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You need to move to the 2 wire hose. Yea it weighs more but lasts longer. Mine last a year or more.I can't get more than 90 days out of any hose.
Good luck to you all, I used to prefer Goodyear
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Ceta ....
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This is a project we did last week which we're just wrapping up right now.The building was from 1920's and had close to 100 years of dirt and crud on all the bricks.
You can see the old color of the building on the left side and the restored area on the right.
This is the side of the building wet abrasive blasted... note how there is no dust and no water on the ground... very clean!
This is what this side of the building looked like all cleaned up
This is the back of the same building before we wet abrasive blasted it.. the area on the right is still being worked on by the masons.
This is what the back looked like all cleaned up
This black stuff was all over the building and pretty much is what had to be removed without damaging the bricks.
Again what the bricks looked like all cleaned up and ready for sealer.
Again the wet abrasive process in action... Note how there is very little water (Just enough to control dust) and how the ground stays dry.
Still the building cleaned up real nice even in 100º temp
Hey it's good to be green!:thumbsup:
Very nice work
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Beth n Rod reacted to this -
Any word on other giveaways?
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Chris with permission I want to include this in some marketing for nce?
Just wanted to give a huge Thank You to Ron **********, ***, NCE and the great people here that have helped me learn what I needed to learn.I had to take the leap of faith, do what needs to be done, learn about contracts and bidding, learning about filling out the paperwork, learning about insurance and more to be even considered to try to get the bigger jobs and contracts.
I was just awarded a great contract today (some of you know about it but I can't really talk about it here) and it is mostly because of what I learned here at ***, at the NCE Round Tables and from talking to Ron **********.
This greatly shortened the learning curve and saved me a lot of headaches, hassles and money wasted doing the wrong thing.
It just goes to show you that being a member here can help you earn more money, learn how to get the bigger jobs, learn how to do jobs better and more efficiently and how to be more professional.
There is probably some things that I am leaving out but not trying to purposely, just cannot remember everything all right now, this minute.
I know that there are a lot of people out there that say bad things about Ron but for those people out there that blindly believe that false information, you are walking away from over 25 years of knowledge, learning the hard way and great business sense. Do yourself the favor of learning about Ron, talking to him when you can and learn from him, he is doing a great thing by giving back to the industry with the ***, NCE and his personal time and money by making a lot of these Round Tables happen.
Thanks Ron!
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Stumbled on this old thread, and it is interesting. We only work on exterior wood. Being said, it is interesting that in 2009, web sites were not included as a choice. ~ 60% of our new business now comes via the internet. But we are not pressure washers.Times do change, everyone either keeps up or gets left behind.
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OH! It doesn't grow in Arizona!Now I get it! :-)
It will in a lab!!! Or if you create the environment.
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Hi Ron, I don't understand what "maybe you missed one" means? Maybe I'm just a bit dull this morning?I also don't know anything about Arizona and what it means that my setup won't clean there?
As to cleaning roofs with "the pump on a pressure washer to deliver the chems just like Your electric or air pump? "
My pump delivers the exact % SH that I make up in my tank. 20-25% for shingles $35-50% for tile. A Pressure washing machines pump depends on a downstream chemical injector to supply chems. They only put out 10-15% solutions, wich won't clean a roof without then pressure washing it. You can buy chemical injectors like Envirospec's Super Suds Sucker, that claims 22% if I remember correctly, but I have owned 2 of them and every other injector made [ I have about 20 of them right now! ] and in spite of claims, my extensive testing shows none passing the 15% mark and most that say 25% actually only putting out 10-12%
have a good day Ron!
Chuck
In Arizona your electric pump is worthiness. You sh is also not going to be needed or used.
I guess my point is if you want to clean mold here you will need to make some.
No one here is going to ever need or use a Softwash system. (period)
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Hi Ron,I have had a pressure washing business since 1978 and used pressure washers to clean roofs until 1991.
In 1991 I started to chemically clean roofs with 20-25% chlorine and Dawn dish liquid etc on shingles, up to [and never above] 50% chlorine and TSP on tile.
My pump puts out 5 gpm at 60psi. Of course, basically no pressure, not even 60psi hits the roof.
I tried all pressure washer settings imaginable and all pumps, from 4gpm to 8gpm.
To me, after doing so many hundreds of them, you can not reasonably turn down a pressure washer to a setting that will not blow granules-{lots of them on older roofs}- off the roof.
Even if you could set one to 100psi and you were willing to spend a week cleaning a 2000sq ft roof in 1" strips, the 100 lbs of pressure would still remove granules. At 100psi, you would have to hold the pressure washing tip an inch from the roof to accomplish anything.
Look in the gutter of a roof never cleaned by any method and you will see the rain knocked off a pile 1/4" deep. Rain is like no pressure at all, compared to any pressure washer setting.
Of course, we both know, no roof cleaning business is going to put the ridiculously excessive amount of time into cleaning a roof that 100-500psi would take to do.
I see guys pressure washing shingled roofs and tile here in Florida all the time. They are all using well over 2000psi, probably 3000psi.
Lets not fool ourselves. It is a real issue.
ON THE OTHER HAND: What I say in my posts and blogs about these new "Green" "Eco-Friendly" roof cleaning products, I would prefer not to say. These green guys seem to find it necessary to downgrade the use of chlorine and any method other than their own.
That makes them my target. But if they could just stand on their own merit and not knock my way of roof cleaning, I would live and let live.
Until this "Go Green" push started, I only advertised and posted about ME, not about others methods and chemicals.
Same goes for roof-a-side until I saw they found it necessary to put down my cleaning method in their website and blogs, I never said a word about them.
I don't want trouble, but I'm also not good at just taking it either.
Maybe you missed one, who said I wasn't going to use sh?
Chuck is it possible that maybe some just use the pump on a pressure washer to deliver the chems just like Your electric or air pump?
In Arizona I could argue that your not going to clean any roof with your set up. I'll have two hundred guys testify to that. Your system is worthless here. Won't even wash a building effectively.
There's always the right method for the right situation.
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Always try plain hot water first, you might shock yourself.
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Not many Ron. Of course, half the folks you talk to at Home Depot, were working at Walmart last month! And may be at McDonalds next month :-)Of course, the fact that all these manufacturers suggest nothing but Chlorine and TSP is still relevant for those of us who go up on their roofing to clean it.
In fact, I would imagine cleaning a roof with any method other than that suggested by the manufacturer, could not only void their roofing warranty, but could open up the possibility of a homeowner / contractor lawsuit for not cleaning with manufacturer methods? Home Depot too could end up being in court, if a homeowner pressure washes or hires a pressure washer to clean their roof, at Home Depot's recommendation?
I don't know about laws though?
I do know about pressure cleaning roofs though! I did so from 1978 until 1991 when I started Softwashing them with 5-6% chlorine and TSP.
I cleaned many hundreds of roofs with my pressure washing machines and watched the black algae, along with the roofing granules wash away! On tile, it's more a problem of blasting off the glazing on glazed tile, blowing out crown cement pieces, or stripping paint from painted roofs.
None of that happens of course, with soft washing roofs.
You have to remember that a pressure washer can clean at low pressure. I often think we get all wrapped up on this no pressure washer use when in fact it's about the correct combination. Electric injectors in high volume water use with lower pressure from a powerwash unit is ok.
Blasting any surface including concrete you can cause irreversible damage.
Variable pressure wands are available and should always be used.
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Whatever Roberts reasons are there has never been anyone that I have known in this industry who was even close to Roberts Knowledge when it comes to Powerwashing and our Environment. Personally I can't thank Robert enough in helping me understand what the proper procedures are to cleaning thru his tested tried and true BMP's.Thanks Robert for what you set out to do and what you have accomplished.
Let's hope he continues to help in the future. Awareness is key!!!
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Doug is that because you work for these Folks? I mean you sub work from there business, is that the case and point? Are you involved in the procurement of contracts with these same individuals? Its just a couple of questions, not really my business.
You just really seem to be all for this and that seems a bit strange knowing your back ground and how it relates with other associations your involved with.
Top of Page 3, rewards for those PW'ers who comply w/the regs. Free air miles?Over time, we will see 2 options for PW'ers. Be proactive and get involved in your local/state about these regs or just complain. For those who complain, you have 2 options, try to go under the radar and find out how expensive that can be, or comply with something you chose to not be involved in. What UMACC and PWNA have done may not have been handled as well as it could have been, but what happended has happened, it is time to move on. Be part of the solution or not, your choice.
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I wonder how Many home owners do it themselves?
Most will use pressure washers because home depot reccommends they use them.
Florida Roof Cleaning by The Roofing Manufacturers MethodFrom GAF Roofing Manufacturers about black algae removal:
Below is a partial "cut and paste" excerpt from GAF on how to clean a roof:
"If a new roof is not an option, GAF recommends cleaning the roof with a special mixture. That mixture is:
4 gallons of water, 1 gallon of bleach and 1 cup of TSP"
"What NOT To Do! Do not power wash the shingles to clean the shingles. Some roof cleaning companies offer this service.
However, it is not recommended."
From ARMA roofing manufacturers Association-how to clean roofing.
http://www.asphaltroofing.org/pdf/tb_217.pdf
Below is a partial excerpt cut and pasted below from ARMA:
Algae discolorations to remove from roofing surfaces, applying a solution of
chlorine bleach, trisodium phosphate, and water. Solutions for these ingredients depend on the amount of discoloration. Solutions range to one cup TSP and 2.5 gallons each of bleach and water.
First, gently disperse this solution on the roofing surface. Avoid scrubbing the surface, as this friction may loosen and remove granules.
Caution!
High pressure washing systems for algae removal should not be used.
Owens Corning Roofing manufacturers says the same thing:
"USE CHLORINE and TSP" "DO NOT USE A PRESSURE WASHER"
Corning info in link below.
Owens Corning - Owens Corning™ Roofing Products Product Demo
So, those who manufacture your roofing and warranty your roofing are the folks to listen to!
Not those who pressure wash roofs, or try to sell you a so called "Green" Eco-Friendly" chemical.
We clean roofs ONLY by the roofing manufacturers methods, so your warranty will not be voided!
WE ARE RCIA CERTIFIED ROOF CLEANERS: ROOF CLEANING INSTITUTE OF AMERICA. LINK BELOW:
http://roof-cleaning-institute.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=123190&p=3&topicID=41055740&page=1
Charlotte & Sarasota County Florida Roof Cleaning by Chuck Bergman Since 1991
941-698-1959
941-474-8883
941-483-3673
941-255-8600
Chuck Bergman Soft Wash Roof Cleaning has been serving Charlotte and Sarasota Counties in Florida since 1991 { Prior to that as Chuck Bergman Pressure Cleaning since 1989 }
With years of experience , it became clear to me that while pressure washing roofs made them look clean, damage was occurring on the roofs. Pressure cleaning machines can only be turned down so far and still accomplish roof cleaning and any amount of pressure, even as low a setting as 300 psi { 3000 to 4000 psi is what most pressure cleaning contractors use } will still remove around 15-20% of the granules that make up the color and protection of your shingle roof per cleaning.
Ugly black algae, left in place on the roof, eats around those granules and the rain removes them. Still eventually destroying the roof and spoiling it's appearance and resale value. With tile roofs, pressure removes the glazing many tile roofs come with. Pressure also blows pieces of cement that hold the ridge-caps in place off into space! If your tile roof is painted, pressure will blow portions of paint off all over the roof, leaving it in need of an expensive paint job!
I started out strictly as a Pressure washing Company! So, what to do?
In 1991 I started developing a system to clean roofs without using pressure.
Now these roof cleaning systems are available for purchase commercially. Even some of these "Non Pressure" systems are what I consider overkill, so I have tried them all and settled on what I consider the best for my customers. Some are designed to do a roof very quickly, using 7 gallon per minute pumps on up! Others [because they are inexpensive] very slowly- 1 gpm pumps. I am in the middle and pleased with my results with a system of 3 gpm output. I want the cleaning solution to remain on the roof, not to run off the roof or into the gutters.
If you would like your roof restored [most of the time to 90% like new!] using only the methods suggested by your roofing manufacturer, call us for a free estimate! We have been a father and son ONLY business since 1994-so you will always get a professional and never get a crew or a new guy in training on your property!
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Where's the message here?I sure hope no one hurt but still kindof funny
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This thread is pretty amazing reading for me. There are 5 complete flip-flops and 1 double flip-flopper. Could you people please pick a lane and stay in it?I'm not going to single anyone out, but let me say....welcome to reality, we saved you a seat!
And now a guy who ducks in and out!! Lol
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Adding to Robert's bullet point #2.......BMP's are NOT law. That being said, it is the contractors responsibility to "keep up with them" as they can be changed at any given time with no notification being required.Yes but the ordinances they create around them or interpretations of current laws they enforce.
Funny how Houston's bpms read on way and they enforced another.
They even went as far as saying and ordinance was created to allow they to have jurisdiction on private property. To this day I cannot find this ordinance they spoke of in the meetings. We also cannot find any other violations than ms4.
They intentionally create bmps because they are just
Guidelines. Somewhere along the way sgt Walsh fit frustrated as he claims in his own video. He got tired of giving warnings. So he decided to start handing out tickets.
One thing for sure is the ball was dropped by who ever was responsible for helping Houston set this up.
I'll thank doug for bringing this to the attn of the industry. Through his efforts the city was sent messages that the pressure washing industry was not contributing to pollution. Proving to them we could actually reduce pollution opened there eyes.
Don't kid yourself there was party's that knew this. Talking with city engineers they understood what we do and in some respects they had been looking the other way. Why? Because no one group or organization was watching our interests. It was that simple!
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Thanks for posting that info Ron. That is great educational materialYes because as a responsible party they are held liable to the material that's published. I'm waiting to see if that happens, I'm also having our storm water staff contact them about cleaning story's in the real world.
It would be interesting to have them follow a story about the truth in Houston and how influenced regulators and enforcement got lead astray.
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William they actually publish a magazine that for Storm water people to read.
I'm sure they will be running a story about this in there publications and there affiliation with these national Associations in the cleaning world.
This is the contact info for the convention that RH is referring to. Maybe some would like to let them know that the info presented is not done with the approval of org members.Steve Di GiorgiStormCon DirectorPhone: (805) 682-1300 x129 or Fax: (805) 682-0200 -
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The ***** did announce publically that they endorsed this BMP ***** endorses Enviromental BMP Unless I'm reading that wrong. I also agree with Russ's assesment above but Ron turned it down. This is a start which doesn't mean its the end. Hopefully level heads prevail here....John I turned down vice Chair, they accepted I consult for them when needed.
Lets explain why i turned this position down.
Robert deals with violation of the CWA, I deal with not involving the CWA in my process. Frankly teaching contractors of two national orgs on how to pollute better is not something I'm interested in. I'm also not for educating water authority we are polluters. I can show in my technology how you can prevent pollution's and reduce liabilities for owners.
I would not be a good assistant chair for Robert.
There's nothing wrong with this stance Robert Takes, it will sell more machines and costs for contractors involved will be greater.
In some wash processes its needed, how ever for my business it doesn't exist.
I have been educating directly ageist these practices for sidewalk cleaning with great success.
I'm working on ordinances for towns and city to have pollution control Ordinances so people are aware we can help reduce not Pollute.
Based on this I accepted this consulting Spot after talking with Michael Tessaro in Tampa.
What's funny is I brought to all attentions Property Compliance. People Laughed and said that doesn't exist here, well we are finding out the truth each and everyday.
Even Robert after ten years of me telling him this has now included this in his packet to water control. What should also be in there is a direction for them to talk with building a Zoning. ( will see if that changes)
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I will not expect replies nor will I waste anymore time beating this dead horse.
I decided not to attend storm com because these people are getting it. They understand we can be the solution not the pollution.
Good luck with water ever your goals are.
That's a great question, what are your intentions at storm com?
Tell Eric clark hello, heard he's attending with you.
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My company for the last 20 years has and open invite to anyone in the community with a project we will be there to wash.
I think you have a great idea. I how ever just like keeping my work low profile. Its between me and the folks I help, now if it could help the cause of the folks we are helping that would be a real nice benefit.
I like the idea and good luck with it.
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