Guy B

"Training Certifications" can certainly fall into this category......That's one of the reasons the ***** does not offer "Training Certifications" at this time.

Which would be a great idea Kris if it weren't for the costs of doing this and the Liability. As John stated in an earlier post, there is a line that if you cross could put you in a bad place. The time it would take to put together a manual would be unreal for the group of unpaid people doing it. I'm not shooting your idea down, it has merit. But let me ask you this....What do you think it would cost for something like this? How much would you charge for a training and certification course like the one you described? How many people would then come in and bad mouth it, critique it, bash it and put it down? Kris the requirement you have X amount of years experience may seem "Dumb" to you because you haven't been around long enough to know that "Certs." were at one time (And Still Are) handed out like candy to anyone that paid X dollars. That's not what these Certs are about, or the people that take them. There are many "Training Seminars" going on all over. Is there one that will fit everything you're looking for???......I have no idea, but you can check with Envirospec, Sun Brite, powerwash.com, Doug **********, Paul Kassander @ pressurewash.com, A.C. Lockyer and a few more I'm missing.

That's just the point, these certifications are not for beginners. If a person wants to take a certification they must first meet the requirements. One of the requirements is a certain amount of time in business or training hours. The certifications are not about teaching (per say) but about knowledge already possessed. If I remember correctly when we were asked to beta test these certs. I made an 83 on the roof cert. There are also more roof substrates the asphalt just as there are different substrates in most things we wash, siding, concrete, brick, etc....and there are many methods to clean these different substrates. Barry I understand your view on Certifications and Industry Orgs. And I've been reading your posts about them. I know you're a highly educated person but I haven't seen one thing as far as suggestions on your part as to an alternative or better way of looking at this. It seems that you (and others) wait on the sideline for an opportunity to jump in with a quick jab or criticism. If you have something better in mind I'd love to hear it. If you don't like the ***** certification model I encourage you to visit the PWNA and take a look at theirs, it may be more to your liking.

As far as I know Barry, "If" someone passes the test they're certified. I've used a pressure washer to clean a roof.

I think I just said that Michael. This video is not the test, but shows how testing would be done via computer. How much clearer can that be made? Again thanks for posting other options for Contractors to consider.

For what it's worth this was an early video Michael showing how the testing would be done. It's not the finished product by any means. Glad you showed other options for Contractors to choose from.

Michael, I completely agree its total hypocrisy, but they make the rules and we have to follow them as best we can.

Great Question Michael! Under Local storm water BMP's there is a list of "Exemptions" of what is allowed go in a storm drain. Just a few examples are wash down from car wrecks, run off from structure fires, flushing hydrants, street sweeping, etc... While these are technically violations they are exempted from fines & prosecution. This doesn't seem fair but is the law in certain areas.

You're right they're not Google, but want to put you on the front page. I tell them I'm already there State and Local. So what are you going to do for me again?? Haven't heard from them in a while now. I like Mick's approach better.

Wise words John, thanks.

"Our Industry" has a couple of branches. The only part of this that interests me is the "Contractor Industry" and those that are advocates of it and help protect the best interests of the Contractor. There are only a few (that I know of) that do this. What we see here on the net is not a "Majority" of the PW Industry, only a small group. Knowing the history and the "who, what & why" should be known before one labels anyone.

I agree with Alexy, from my understanding KEC needs high pressure and low gpm to control runoff to be affective. On the other hand house washing (In Order To Be Profitable) requires higher gpm. So I guess it's one or the other, but not both.

Absolutely!

John, why don't you email Scott instead of bringing that over here?

Absolutely Adrian, I agree the drama and negativity is completely counterproductive, no one wants that.

Double post..Sorry.

I understand and respect your reasons.

Then you agree with their Agenda? You agree with the actions of that Industry Org. linking Our Industry (Contractors) as the major cause of pollution to the MS4? You agree that this same Org. posting links to the EPA & Pollution Issues (The articles having nothing to do with Pressure washing by the way) on this and many other PW BBS's is "Harmless" and will not now or in the future hurt our Industry (Contractors)? So you agree with what the PWNA is doing....Period?

Depends what their agenda is.

We use general injectors. We have had the same problems with injectors also and will be setting up a flush system for the injectors this season. Just a tip for you, drop down to a 3-5 injector it will pull more chem. and use only fixed injectors.

You never said anything about checking the thermostat.

Ole fateful e250 motor let go at 300,000. Truck is in great shape for year and mileage.....just can't bring myself to put her down so I ordered her a re-manufactured motor today.

Hey Guys & Gals......Merry Christmas To You And Your Families!!!!!!!

Which is why he got banned from the other forums.

I saw a repossessed one at a distributor in Raleigh a couple of months ago. While this are cool machines they don't seem practical for medium to large jobs. I mean $25,000 for a 5 gpm skid with an electric vac closed loop system? I don't think so.