jdf 14 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 SG saved my bacon today as it got the black streak's off the gutter's that I have been working. I have tried different stuff no luck with them .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Paul B. 523 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Try Krud Kutter - you'll like that even better. $10 per gallon and you can dilute it at least 1:2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Guest rfitz Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Why not use 6136 from www.pressuretek.com it's less than $7.00 a gallon and you can cut it 4 or 5 to one for gutters, and will remove any and all BLK streaks from gutters, not too mention you will save a ton of cash, but most importantly TIME.... You wont find a better cleaner on the market, I would bet cash on that... Hope this helps your Biz...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 James 624 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 I use SG its good to keep on the truck. Also keep some TSP add to bleach and water . Good by black marks and other marks aroud windows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Everett Abrams 501 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 I love Simple Green as a product to keep on the truck. Jim, You and I agree on this one, LOL! I also wanted to take the time to Congratulate you on the award you won from the PWNA Convention. I think what you are doing is a great thing and I enjoyed reading and knowing what you are doing. I wish you could have been there in person. Great job! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Paul B. 523 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Rob, My understanding is that 6136 is $9.75 per gallon (plus shipping) if purchased in 5 gallon size. As with all chemicals you use, make sure you read the MSDS for appropriate safety precautions and emergency care. 6136 contains Hazardous Ingredients: Potassium Hydroxide and Nitrilotriacetic Acid, Trisodium Salt - considered a carcinogen, which may possibly cause malignant tumours of the urinary system (kidney, ureter and bladder). I'm in no way implying that you shouldn't use the product - just make sure you use appropriate personnel protection while using it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Aplus 525 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Sounds like potent stuff!!!! Whenever I see something that's a known carcinogen, I do my best to stay away from it. Hey Paul, are the any carcinogens in GZ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Aplus 525 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Regarding Simple Green....it has worked well for me cleaning vinyl awnings. It's also great for cleaning up tools after using latex based products. I always have SG in my trailers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Dennis Harbin 14 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 can you sg on vinyl siding and is it a good product to use on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Guest rfitz Report post Posted February 19, 2004 They know for a fact, under arm deodarant, causes tumors and cancers of all types, so will you stop using that as well...? I think not... Anyway, if you are going to be in the PW biz, you must accept the fact you WILL always be handling dangerous and harmful materials, ANY And ALL, otherwise, they would not work, dont let anyone BS you that is a fact, you either accept that risk going into the biz or you lock yourself in a bubble, and dont touch anything in this world that is man made, because most believe it or not, has some side effeccts, Like Beef, colon cancer, sugar- teeth decay, beer-Liver damage, etc.. I think you get the point, thats why they make child locks on cabinets that you keep your little kids away from your household cleaners, why..? they are poison Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 jdf 14 Report post Posted February 19, 2004 i would use gz or 6136 but shipping will kill me on cost .or is the a dealer in the dallas tx area that has it ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Guest rfitz Report post Posted February 19, 2004 Shipping is incredibly cheap, and you will still save money, brcause of the dilution ratio's, always order in 55 gallon drums, that way your cost is way way cheap, cheaper than anything you can buy locally, or on the open market and nothing is even near as effective Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Paul B. 523 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 Tony The two Hazardous components that are required to be listed in GZ are: Sodium Hydroxide and Ethylene Glycol Monobutyl Ether Neither component is considered to be carcinogenic. Rob, I prefer tooth decay over possible liver cancer. If YOU expose yourself to hazardous and carcinogenic chemicals without recognizing risks and taking appropriate actions to protect yourself that's one thing. IT'S YOUR LIFE. However, if you have employees, you better make them aware of the MSDS sheets, have them read and make sure they understand, and then protect them with utmost care when using any and all hazardous chemicals on the job. You are no longer gambling with your life - now you are playing Russian Roulette with someone else's life. Be a responsible employer. Again for your sake ROB, I'll repeat what I said earlier: "I'm in no way implying that you shouldn't use the product - just make sure you use appropriate personnel protection while using it." "Safety First and Make IT Last!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Guest rfitz Report post Posted February 20, 2004 Sooner or later every person employed from every level of service will be sueing their employers, for something or another, now people are sueing Mcdonalds for heart disease and being obese, etc.. When will it stop..? as an employer, my employee's are labeled sub contractors, and must carry the appropriate protection, insurance etc.. I am in no way shape or form liable for anything that happens to them while they perform work for my customers, I checked with the IRS on this, and consulted with both my lawyers and CPA and I am in no way shape or form liable, I make them read and sign a 4 page document stating this, and the possible dangers invloved with our occupation kind of like a pre-nup for a marriage if you will, therefore they are working under their own risk, as it should be with subs, fair or not, we have to protect our assets from all the hungry lawyers in this country, it is a shame but this is a business.. and I do take the neccessary steps... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Paul B. 523 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 Since Ron P. is not here to ask, let me fill in for him. Rob, Using 6136 at full concentration on gutters, are you cleaning or stripping the paint? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Paul B. 523 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 Rob, "as an employer, my employee's are labeled sub contractors, and must carry the appropriate protection, insurance etc.. I am in no way shape or form liable for anything that happens to them while they perform work for my customers,.." If they are subs, they are not your employees. If they are your employees, they can't be your subs. Are you telling your subs what chemicals to use on the job? Are you supplying the chemicals for your subs? Do they have a choice on what chemicals to use? Are you supplying their equipment? Are you providing safety training? Are you providing MSDS to your subs? (May need to find someone that publishes the MSDS sheets in Spanish.) "I am in no way shape or form liable for anything that happens to them while they perform work for my customers, I checked with the IRS on this, and consulted with both my lawyers and CPA..." If your lawyer told you this, you may want to have him sign a document that states he will assume all responsibility for your subs and employees. IRS will not take responsibility for any incorrect information they give you. (They will tell you this without batting an eye.) I doubt very much if most CPA's have any clues as to MSDS and most other safety requirements unless they have worked for a large corporation and have gone thru training. The bottom line is that it's NOT a matter of CYA against lawsuits, but being a responsible employer or contractor that informs and protects your subs from health risks and places safety on top of their list. No matter how many lawyers, CPA's, contracts you have, they will not protect you if you act irresponsibly with employees or sub-contractors (as it relates to safety). P.S.: A bad contract is invalid no matter how many people sign it and how many lawyers approve it. I would highly suggest you find an attorney that provides good advice vs. bad contracts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 jdf 14 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 hey thank's for the help ... i didn't mean to start a debate ..i think you should always have all the info. on the chem's that you use and tell the folk's around about it the danger of it as i worked the oilfield for 18 yr's and was around some bad stuff from acid to hand soap .....david Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Paul B. 523 Report post Posted February 20, 2004 David, One thing is for sure: You WILL find a lot of opinions on this board. Having different opinions provides you with choices. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Aplus 525 Report post Posted February 25, 2004 The way I see it, the topic regarded Simple Green. Someone pointed out another chem that can accomplish the same task. It was then pointed out that some chems are significantly more toxic than others. I stick to my belief in using the least toxic approach to get a job done. Of course that's my .02. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Paul B. 523 Report post Posted February 25, 2004 The ability to make educated choices come from being well informed. The choices of: to use or not use a product or what personnel protection to have when working with the chemicals. It's unfortunate, but some folks just don't care. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Ernie Greese 14 Report post Posted February 26, 2004 To Clarify this issue check out this: http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=99921,00.html ALSO, 1099s and Taxes When a person is paid on the form, 1099-misc, all money earned by the individual is paid on an untaxed basis. It is then the responsibility of the individual to file and pay the appropriate taxes. These taxes can be owed to Federal, State and Local governments. Workers' compensation and unemployment issues also must be addressed independently. W-2s and Taxes When a person is paid on the form W-2, the employer automatically withholds and pays all of the necessary employee income taxes as required by the IRS. These taxes include: Federal Income Tax, State Income Tax, and FICA (Social Security and Medicare). In addition, the employer will pay all of the necessary employer taxes. These taxes include: FICA (Social Security and Medicare), FUTA (Federal Unemployment Tax), and SUI (State Unemployment Tax). The IRS and Taxes In recent years, the IRS has begun to realize the large sums of potential tax revenue they are losing due to misclassified 1099 independent contractors who should legally be W-2 employees. When a company pays a contractor on a 1099-misc form, they avoid the following: federal and state tax withholdings, deposits and reports, the employer’s share of Social Security and Medicare taxes, state and federal unemployment insurance premiums, state disability insurance premiums, Workers’ Compensation costs, fringe benefits, vicarious liability for employee negligence, and EEOC regulations. The IRS estimates that it loses between $4 to $20 billion per year in unpaid taxes as a result of this misclassification problem. Understandably, the IRS has made it a priority to investigate 1099-misc forms that are turned in at the end of the tax year. The IRS is continually conducting audits to determine whether or not contractors are being properly classified. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Henry B. 4 Report post Posted February 26, 2004 as an employer, my employee's are labeled sub contractors, and must carry the appropriate protection, insurance etc.. I am in no way shape or form liable for anything that happens to them while they perform work for my customers, Uh Rob, The sub contractors your referring to just became your employees. I'd be careful with any comments regarding them as anything other than Sub contractors. We all know what a pain in the as the IRS can be and the state boards can be difficult also. Just flippantly calling them your employess may stand up in court if it ever happens. Expecially as close as labor laws can be examined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Henry B. 4 Report post Posted February 26, 2004 Where can you get simple green from? I've heard of it numerous times but I've never tried it out yet. I'm always looking for the best chemical that can work on numerous applications without killing me, the guys that work for me, or the customers plants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted February 26, 2004 Henry is correct. Be careful what you call them. Beth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Guest rfitz Report post Posted February 26, 2004 With regards to employees or sub contractors, at least those of us who are using them in any way shape or form, is much better than the big corporations like Walmart, AT&T, our Government, our IRS, and all the rest that are now having customer service type jobs done in countries like India for 5%-10% per hour than what american workers were making, when they were performing these jobs, all I can say, is unless we put restrictions on big companies, and our government from using these other countries to perform these former american jobs , we may not have to worry about employing anyone, or sub contracting out work, the middle class is disapearing, which is our bread and butter, so you all better stand up and contact your state representative and start complaining about real issues, that will affect your children, grand children etc.. When our own government out sources to countries that put americans out of work, and Im talking millions of jobs per year, That is what organizations like the IRS should be investigating, not the small biz guy that, pours tons of money into the good old USA everyday... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Paul B. 523 Report post Posted February 26, 2004 Simple Green is very common and is available in the cleaning section of most grocery stores, K-mart, and Home Depot stores. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SG saved my bacon today as it got the black streak's off the gutter's that I have been working. I have tried different stuff no luck with them ....
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