Roof Cleaning Chat Transcript - 7/12/06

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

07/12/06 12:57:36 donphelps Logs in [68.210.10.217]

07/12/06 12:58:58 donphelps: test

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07/12/06 14:08:20 MikeWilliamson: Well howdy. Anyone else awake?

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07/12/06 16:00:58 DavidV Logs in [71.79.132.172]

07/12/06 16:01:36 DavidV: Thanks again Beth

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07/12/06 18:28:43 dennismcguinn: hi don

07/12/06 18:30:18 DonPhelps Logs in [68.210.10.217]

07/12/06 18:32:43 DonPhelps: test

07/12/06 18:33:06 dennismcguinn: ten 4

07/12/06 18:33:26 DonPhelps: lol, what's up Dennis? How's biz?

07/12/06 18:34:00 dennismcguinn: not enough time it all

07/12/06 18:34:35 DonPhelps: bummer...doing any roofs?

07/12/06 18:34:57 dennismcguinn: so far 5

07/12/06 18:35:13 DonPhelps: How did they turn out....Good?

07/12/06 18:35:32 dennismcguinn: 3 of them good, 2 of them not so good

07/12/06 18:35:44 DonPhelps: lol...what happened?

07/12/06 18:35:53 dennismcguinn: not enough sh

07/12/06 18:36:04 DonPhelps: what was your mix?

07/12/06 18:36:16 dennismcguinn: 50/50 on the good ones

07/12/06 18:37:09 DonPhelps: yeah, when I first started out, we mixed at 35/65 but

50/50 keeps it simple and easier to adjust up or down as needed.

07/12/06 18:37:56 dennismcguinn: yeah i found that out i quit using soap for the

clinging action. don't think it's neccisary, what's your opinion?

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07/12/06 18:38:56 FCPWLLC Logs in [74.131.254.249]

07/12/06 18:39:02 DonPhelps: I don't use it unless it's steep, and not always even

then.

07/12/06 18:39:40 dennismcguinn: the steep factor with the soap was what was getting

me, i slip i fall

07/12/06 18:39:41 DonPhelps: What's up, fcp? :)

07/12/06 18:39:52 FCPWLLC: Hey early birds.

07/12/06 18:40:05 DavidV Logs in [71.79.132.172]

07/12/06 18:40:32 FCPWLLC: Getting a early start for early knowledge

07/12/06 18:40:33 DonPhelps: You gotta stay in the dry and work away from it. Start

where you get on the roof then that area will be dry by the time you get back to it.

07/12/06 18:40:49 DonPhelps: welcome David.

07/12/06 18:41:05 dennismcguinn: ah sooooo now i see

07/12/06 18:41:06 DavidV: ty

07/12/06 18:41:29 DavidV: how's everybody

07/12/06 18:41:38 FCPWLLC: Good

07/12/06 18:41:59 DonPhelps: If anybody has any questions/comments or whatever, just

jump right in. Tired, it was hot today!

07/12/06 18:42:55 FCPWLLC: pliovic hose by Goodyear.... Know what it is made of? I

can't find any info fro it.

07/12/06 18:43:14 DonPhelps: David, do you do roofs now?

07/12/06 18:43:28 DavidV: not yet...

07/12/06 18:43:34 dennismcguinn: sh is some bad stuff i did the finger test and it

about took off my finger nail. also tried steves magic 3x and it works well but it will

burn your ass \

07/12/06 18:43:44 DavidV: here to learn

07/12/06 18:43:47 DonPhelps: No, we use the braided air hose.

07/12/06 18:44:31 DonPhelps: rm is good, just takes too much time to rinse in my

opinion.

07/12/06 18:44:31 FCPWLLC: The hose I got was an Air Hose but wasn't sure about it's

make up

07/12/06 18:44:32 DavidV: nobody in my area offers or does them to knowledge...

07/12/06 18:44:55 Speck_Chaser Logs in [71.81.62.127]

07/12/06 18:44:57 dennismcguinn: what is rm?

07/12/06 18:45:00 DonPhelps: roof cleaning is a wide open market in a lot of areas.

07/12/06 18:45:06 DonPhelps: roof magic

07/12/06 18:45:21 Speck_Chaser: similar to roofacide?

07/12/06 18:45:25 DavidV: i'm 15 miles south of pro football HOF

07/12/06 18:45:29 DonPhelps: What's up Thad!

07/12/06 18:45:42 Speck_Chaser: Hiiiii :D

07/12/06 18:45:45 dennismcguinn: yeah roof magic

07/12/06 18:45:48 DavidV: roof magic...taking notes

07/12/06 18:46:07 Speck_Chaser: This says I have to be polite and professional

07/12/06 18:46:13 Speck_Chaser: I guess I'll go now

07/12/06 18:46:18 Speck_Chaser: :(

07/12/06 18:46:20 FCPWLLC: LOL

07/12/06 18:46:46 DonPhelps: not sure what the r-a-c guys use. I know one of their

'applicators' and he uses sh. not sure if that's the norm for all of them or not.

07/12/06 18:46:57 DonPhelps: bye thad....lol

07/12/06 18:47:03 Speck_Chaser: hehe

07/12/06 18:47:23 Speck_Chaser: roofacide told me they did NOT use hydroxide or

hypochlorite

07/12/06 18:47:34 Speck_Chaser: probbly percarb, huh?

07/12/06 18:47:45 DonPhelps: part of a deeper mystery, I suppose....lol

07/12/06 18:47:56 Speck_Chaser: spray it on and wait 3 months for it to work. right.

07/12/06 18:48:14 Speck_Chaser: Or, they said you could get up there and wash it

07/12/06 18:48:20 Speck_Chaser: if you were impatient

07/12/06 18:48:30 DonPhelps: in fl it's hard to justify anything other than sh due to

its availability and price.

07/12/06 18:48:36 dennismcguinn: by the way don, i made my own wand according to the

pictures posted they are the cats ass. i use them for everything. thanks

07/12/06 18:49:02 DonPhelps: lol...cool, glad they're working out for ya, Dennis.

07/12/06 18:49:06 Speck_Chaser: I have done a roof with hydroxide (working for someone

else)

07/12/06 18:49:13 Speck_Chaser: never again

07/12/06 18:49:21 DonPhelps: slow or?

07/12/06 18:49:31 Speck_Chaser: we actually only got half of one side done

07/12/06 18:49:39 Speck_Chaser: :D

07/12/06 18:49:42 DonPhelps: wow, too hot for that.

07/12/06 18:49:52 Speck_Chaser: It wasn't hot yet

07/12/06 18:50:07 FCPWLLC: How in the world would you sell a spray and forget? I can

see it now... tell customer that the roof will be clean in 3 months but I need payment

now.. LOL

07/12/06 18:50:10 Speck_Chaser: but you spray the hydrox and then have to get up there

and pressure wash it anyway

07/12/06 18:50:27 Speck_Chaser: spray and pray

07/12/06 18:50:31 Speck_Chaser: that they pay

07/12/06 18:50:36 Speck_Chaser: hooray!

07/12/06 18:50:40 FCPWLLC: LOL

07/12/06 18:50:46 dennismcguinn: steves roof magic has it's uses. many uses. i've just

found that sh is a faster application

07/12/06 18:51:13 FCPWLLC: Best Marketing for roof cleaning where it isn't popular? Any

Advice?

07/12/06 18:51:23 DonPhelps: to each his own....remember what ever works for them,

Thad. :)

07/12/06 18:51:41 DonPhelps: rm is a great degreaser too.

07/12/06 18:51:44 FCPWLLC: I'm in KY BTW

07/12/06 18:51:48 Speck_Chaser: to each his own, but it ain't fer me

07/12/06 18:52:09 DonPhelps: Michael, put a before after postcard together...that

should help.

07/12/06 18:52:23 Speck_Chaser: is this the roof magic you're talking about?

www.roofmagic.com

07/12/06 18:52:44 DonPhelps: no, it's an RPC product

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07/12/06 18:53:02 Speck_Chaser Logs in [71.81.62.127]

07/12/06 18:53:11 Speck_Chaser: where did i go?

07/12/06 18:53:13 DonPhelps: lol...welcome back Thad

07/12/06 18:53:26 Speck_Chaser: huh. you can't say cr4p

07/12/06 18:53:34 dennismcguinn: don, do you use the sh on the terracata and barrel

roofing as well? how do you walk on it?

07/12/06 18:53:46 FCPWLLC: There is a guy doing that here and has a TV commercial. His

commercial shows a guy up on a roof Blasting away with a pressure Washer. Should be

able to get market share promoting soft washing.

07/12/06 18:53:58 DonPhelps: yep, extremely carefully with a lot of prayers.....lol

07/12/06 18:54:21 dennismcguinn: peaks or valleys?

07/12/06 18:54:37 DonPhelps: dennis, stronger mix is usually needed for tile. sometimes

as high as 70/30

07/12/06 18:54:52 dennismcguinn: thanks don

07/12/06 18:55:06 Speck_Chaser: glad there are no tile roofs around here

07/12/06 18:55:09 DonPhelps: michael, just eplain the damage that pressure can

cause....leaks, etc.

07/12/06 18:55:18 FCPWLLC: Exactly

07/12/06 18:55:31 DonPhelps: explain, sorry.

07/12/06 18:55:49 Speck_Chaser: all the newer roofs around here are steeper'n a muther

07/12/06 18:56:04 Speck_Chaser: i mean like 8/12 pitch

07/12/06 18:56:05 BethnRod Logs in [63.153.122.47]

07/12/06 18:56:13 Speck_Chaser: late!

07/12/06 18:56:16 Speck_Chaser: :D

07/12/06 18:56:18 DonPhelps: that's a good opportunity though, because most won't want

to do them!

07/12/06 18:56:24 DonPhelps: Hi Beth

07/12/06 18:56:30 Speck_Chaser: the problem is that i don't want to do them, either

07/12/06 18:56:31 BethnRod: Good evening all!

07/12/06 18:56:41 BethnRod Grants Administrative Privileges to DonPhelps

07/12/06 18:56:43 Speck_Chaser: howdy

07/12/06 18:56:46 DonPhelps: I can't help ya there....lol

07/12/06 18:56:54 BethnRod: Don I have just granted you Admin rights in the room.

07/12/06 18:56:55 DavidV: hello

07/12/06 18:56:55 FCPWLLC: How far can I expect to shoot chem with the 1.8 gpm and

100psi sy 150 ft hose.

07/12/06 18:57:05 Speck_Chaser: i need to be able to shoot them from the edge of the

roof

07/12/06 18:57:07 BethnRod: I'll be here a while.

07/12/06 18:57:14 DonPhelps: cool, thanks Beth!

07/12/06 18:57:23 FCPWLLC: Hello BethnRod

07/12/06 18:57:28 BethnRod: hi :)

07/12/06 18:57:37 Speck_Chaser: i have the same ? as fcpwcpllcp

07/12/06 18:57:55 Speck_Chaser: how far?

07/12/06 18:58:14 Speck_Chaser: hey, florin

07/12/06 18:58:16 DonPhelps: michael, maybe 25-30 ft or so, that's the down side to 12

volt pumps, not always enough umph!

07/12/06 18:58:33 Speck_Chaser: but what if you use 2? :D

07/12/06 18:58:38 dennismcguinn: i've tried x jetting it, it just doesn't work. anybody

else been successful with x jetting?

07/12/06 18:58:50 DonPhelps: It depends on how you do your wand/gun and tip size.

07/12/06 18:59:18 Speck_Chaser: use pw tips? a zero degree?

07/12/06 18:59:30 FCPWLLC: hmmm... Is that 20-30 from ground? What if I can get tip to

say 20 feet off ground?

07/12/06 18:59:41 Speck_Chaser: i bet that would be 40

07/12/06 18:59:45 DonPhelps: xjetting usually won't deliver a strong enough mix.

however, JL says he gets good results and his pics look great.

07/12/06 18:59:59 DonPhelps: from roofs edge, michael

07/12/06 19:00:07 Speck_Chaser: depends on the gpm of your machine, right?

07/12/06 19:00:16 DonPhelps: 0 degree shooter tip usually

07/12/06 19:00:32 DonPhelps: s.s. surface cleaner tips work well too.

07/12/06 19:00:47 Speck_Chaser: I downstream everything now, but I'm gonna buy an M5

and try it. I have a 4gpm I can use

07/12/06 19:00:57 dennismcguinn: whats a s.s. surface cleaner tip?

07/12/06 19:01:01 DonPhelps: thad, yes that's true

07/12/06 19:01:09 Speck_Chaser: I might see if I can borrow some h.o.'s 2.2 gpm

07/12/06 19:01:14 DonPhelps: stainless steel

07/12/06 19:01:21 Don74 Logs in [4.244.215.111]

07/12/06 19:01:21 DonPhelps queries IP of Don74

07/12/06 19:01:23 dennismcguinn: oh

07/12/06 19:01:49 Speck_Chaser: anybody have to use a chicken ladder on a roof?

07/12/06 19:01:51 Don74: hello

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07/12/06 19:02:03 DonPhelps: I've been using these plastic Lurmark tips from

Dultmeier.com lately. they work well too.

07/12/06 19:02:04 DavidV: hi

07/12/06 19:02:10 Speck_Chaser: hi don

07/12/06 19:02:16 Speck_Chaser: don74

07/12/06 19:02:17 DonPhelps: welcome Don!

07/12/06 19:02:19 PWkid Logs in [65.11.232.198]

07/12/06 19:02:27 DonPhelps: What's up Mel!

07/12/06 19:02:31 Speck_Chaser: pwkid!

07/12/06 19:02:42 BethnRod: Hi all! :)

07/12/06 19:02:44 PWkid: Whats up guys

07/12/06 19:02:53 Speck_Chaser: I'll check into the lurmark tips

07/12/06 19:02:53 DonPhelps: no chicken ladders for me.

07/12/06 19:03:25 DonPhelps: has anyone else used them?

07/12/06 19:03:48 Speck_Chaser: .......

07/12/06 19:04:00 BarryM Logs in [71.193.97.146]

07/12/06 19:04:02 FLORIN: chicken ladder????

07/12/06 19:04:04 dennismcguinn: does anyone run a couple of lawn sprinklers on the

side of houses that don't have gutters and the side with the gutters? do you use the

blue discharge hose at the base of the gutters?

07/12/06 19:04:07 Don74: I am new to roof cleaning.

07/12/06 19:04:21 DonPhelps: the Lurmark tips look like a surface cleaner tip, but

since they're plastic, they tend to last longer. just don't smack them around.

07/12/06 19:04:25 Speck_Chaser: chicken ladder hooks on the peak of the roof

07/12/06 19:04:40 Don74: Hey Barry!

07/12/06 19:04:43 DonPhelps: ask away Don, we can help you get started.

07/12/06 19:04:44 FCPWLLC: For the cheap price of the 2.5 gpm pressure pumps that sell

a dime a dozen for the home owner machines, has anyone tried upstreaming chem through

them until they die and just toss and replace?

07/12/06 19:04:55 DonPhelps: Hi Barry!

07/12/06 19:04:55 BarryM: Hey, what's up?

07/12/06 19:05:07 Speck_Chaser: what's happnin, bethnrod?

07/12/06 19:05:13 BethnRod Logs in [63.153.122.47]

07/12/06 19:05:13 DonPhelps queries IP of BethnRod

07/12/06 19:05:17 Speck_Chaser: are you comin or goin?

07/12/06 19:05:17 PWkid: I am a 12 ft step ladder guy

07/12/06 19:05:37 BethnRod: Hello all, Rod at the keys...

07/12/06 19:05:43 BarryM: Hey Rod

07/12/06 19:05:48 PWkid: Rod whats up

07/12/06 19:05:57 DonPhelps: Mel uses the same pump I do now. He turned me on to it.

It shoots great and saves some walking too.

07/12/06 19:05:58 Don74: Don, I really dont have a set up or anything yet

07/12/06 19:06:05 DonPhelps: Hi Rod

07/12/06 19:06:18 Don74: I have read some post about shur flos and some post that guys

use xjets

07/12/06 19:06:22 Speck_Chaser: don, what do you run that pump with?

07/12/06 19:06:28 BethnRod: Not much, just hangin

07/12/06 19:06:28 Speck_Chaser: gas motor?

07/12/06 19:06:33 PWkid: I love them pumps After a year I just did minor work to it

07/12/06 19:06:34 Login Failure for tony_melancon [209.215.52.135]

07/12/06 19:06:39 BethnRod: Sup! Don

07/12/06 19:06:39 DonPhelps: Don, do some searching on the board and you'll find plenty

of good info.

07/12/06 19:06:44 DonPhelps: yes, gas

07/12/06 19:06:45 PWkid: gas motor

07/12/06 19:06:51 Speck_Chaser: honda?

07/12/06 19:06:54 DonPhelps: yep

07/12/06 19:06:54 Speck_Chaser: what hp?

07/12/06 19:07:01 BarryM: If your doing a lot of roofs Don74 you definately want a

shurflo set up

07/12/06 19:07:17 Speck_Chaser: instead of a diaphragm pump?

07/12/06 19:07:20 DonPhelps: I have two 5.5's and a 6.5, but you can go smmaller too.

07/12/06 19:07:47 DonPhelps: What's yours, Mel...4.5?

07/12/06 19:07:51 PWkid: The only reason I did work to it was I did a huge acid wash

and it ate up the stainless

07/12/06 19:07:55 alohapc Logs in [65.35.148.12]

07/12/06 19:07:58 Don74: Thats what I figured Barry. I am still going to call you if I

get the job for the bank I sent pics to you

07/12/06 19:08:05 PWkid: Its a 5.5

07/12/06 19:08:16 DonPhelps: I couldn't remember

07/12/06 19:08:24 DonPhelps: Welcome Aloha!

07/12/06 19:08:29 BarryM: Hey what's up Don M, I wasn't sure if that was you or not

07/12/06 19:08:30 Speck_Chaser: hi!

07/12/06 19:08:35 PWkid: It only takes a 2.5 to run it but 5.5 is the same price

07/12/06 19:08:36 EnviroClean Logs in [72.50.119.247]

07/12/06 19:08:42 Speck_Chaser: uh-oh

07/12/06 19:08:44 Don74: Yeah, I had to change my name for some reason

07/12/06 19:08:53 DonPhelps: It's that island boy....lol

07/12/06 19:08:56 Speck_Chaser: don74 has an alias

07/12/06 19:09:01 EnviroClean: Hey nice turn out!!!

07/12/06 19:09:04 alohapc: hello...does anyone here use a surface cleaner to clean tile

roofs?

07/12/06 19:09:14 FCPWLLC: LOL

07/12/06 19:09:19 Speck_Chaser: no tile here

07/12/06 19:09:29 DonPhelps: I never have...Have you Mel?

07/12/06 19:09:42 EnviroClean: I use surface claener on all my roofs down here!!!

07/12/06 19:09:46 PWkid: You can use a surface cleaner if you change the tips

07/12/06 19:09:56 dennismcguinn: i tried the surface cleaner, only tore up six

shingles. the six that were sitting underneath the surface cleaner

07/12/06 19:10:04 DonPhelps: Too many other things to be concerned with on tile, not to

mention needing more chem.

07/12/06 19:10:11 Speck_Chaser: hey, jason- what kind of roofs do mud huts have anyway?

07/12/06 19:10:14 EnviroClean: Flat Concrete lol

07/12/06 19:10:15 PWkid: To lower the psi but I don't recommend it

07/12/06 19:10:16 Speck_Chaser: :P

07/12/06 19:10:46 PWkid: Don is right there are better ways to clean roofs

07/12/06 19:10:46 alohapc: i am looking for a chemical solution to spray on through a

5gpm pump to make life easier

07/12/06 19:10:50 DonPhelps: the growth will usually return faster with a surfacer too.

07/12/06 19:11:13 DonPhelps: what kind of pump, aloha?

07/12/06 19:11:15 McMoo Logs in [65.40.20.113]

07/12/06 19:11:28 alohapc: i put tsp and chlorine on th etiles when finished, seems to

slow growth

07/12/06 19:11:39 DonPhelps: welcome Dan McCown! :)

07/12/06 19:11:41 alohapc: don, its a cat pump

07/12/06 19:11:45 PWkid: Water makes mold grow and if you don't kill the mold than it

grows back.

07/12/06 19:11:45 Don74: Does a tsp mix help with shingles as well?

07/12/06 19:11:56 Speck_Chaser: depends on who you ask

07/12/06 19:12:00 BarryM: Don P, I wanted to talk a little about rinsing

07/12/06 19:12:12 DonPhelps: ok, what's up barry?

07/12/06 19:12:16 BarryM: I know some guys rinse and some don't

07/12/06 19:12:22 DonPhelps: right

07/12/06 19:12:33 alohapc: you are askin the wrong about shingles, ive done 5 in 5

years...i always rinse

07/12/06 19:12:41 BarryM: I know you recommended rinsing the bottom 15 ft or so why ?

07/12/06 19:12:46 Speck_Chaser: is it just a plant protection thing to rinse?

07/12/06 19:12:51 DonPhelps: tsp makes the chem hotter but has it's own set of probs,

Don

07/12/06 19:13:08 EnviroClean: Honest question here boys...do you guys make more bread

on roofs versus flatwork?

07/12/06 19:13:23 PWkid: I have never used TSP in my mix and have never had problems

07/12/06 19:13:46 alohapc: roofs here....flat work is cake after doing roofs

07/12/06 19:13:49 PWkid: I make twice as much money doing roofs

07/12/06 19:13:54 Speck_Chaser: what about that bottom 15'?

07/12/06 19:13:58 DonPhelps: No, I said you could rinse the bottom area only if you

chose to only rinse that much. Because the next morning the dew will sometimes cause

dripping and burning so you've at least covered that danger.

07/12/06 19:14:10 Speck_Chaser: dang, fast typing

07/12/06 19:14:20 Speck_Chaser: :)

07/12/06 19:14:21 DonPhelps: I make a ton more on roofs than anything else.

07/12/06 19:14:28 BarryM: I see, I was just curious

07/12/06 19:14:40 PWkid: In Florida roofs are where it is at.

07/12/06 19:14:42 alohapc: pw kid, where you at

07/12/06 19:14:42 Speck_Chaser: is the market saturated with roof cleaners down there?

07/12/06 19:14:50 EnviroClean: interesting

07/12/06 19:14:51 Don74: So do you have to rinse the roof, or just soak all the veg on

the ground really good?

07/12/06 19:14:57 PWkid: Vero Beach Florida

07/12/06 19:15:08 FCPWLLC: From what I am seeing there is more Profit Margin in roofs

due to the low number of contractors offering service versus the amount of "anyone with

a pressure washer" doing flat work.

07/12/06 19:15:19 DonPhelps: it's always good to rinse, but watering needs to take

place regardless.

07/12/06 19:15:24 alohapc: tampa, here...saturated is one way to put it

07/12/06 19:15:37 EnviroClean: See this what I figured you guys have your "elevated"

niche

07/12/06 19:15:44 Speck_Chaser: possibly oversaturated?

07/12/06 19:15:53 alohapc: how much you guys get for a 3000 sq ft roof where u r ?

07/12/06 19:16:00 FCPWLLC: KY here. No soft washers here.

07/12/06 19:16:18 DonPhelps: roof cleaning eliminates some for different

reasons....some because of the heights, some because of lack of knowledge, etc.

07/12/06 19:16:23 PWkid: I charge $600.00 for a 3000 sq ft roof

07/12/06 19:16:27 BarryM: just did one that size last week, walkable and not to bad of

streaks for $800

07/12/06 19:16:28 dennismcguinn: say on a 1500 square foot house and help me with the

math, whatever the heck the pitch is if it's walkable, is it the same price as the

house at 15 cents a sq? anybody?

07/12/06 19:16:43 DonPhelps: I get less that that, but I'm in a much larger market.

07/12/06 19:16:48 alohapc: if you can get $400 here, God bless you....saturated and

alot of fly by night

07/12/06 19:16:50 Speck_Chaser: it just seems like there are millions of guys who do

roofs in central to south FL

07/12/06 19:16:51 Don74: On a roof, if the house is 3000 sqf, isnt the roof more sq ft

because of the pitch?

07/12/06 19:16:53 EnviroClean: soory just a side note Brook Burke is hot!!!

07/12/06 19:17:03 Speck_Chaser: LOL

07/12/06 19:17:12 Speck_Chaser: and she can sure clean a roof

07/12/06 19:17:17 Don74: I am watching to Enviro, she is hot

07/12/06 19:17:21 Speck_Chaser: look at her scamper!

07/12/06 19:17:32 PWkid: I used to be $300 for that but other guys in my area are

highwer than that so I found a happy medium

07/12/06 19:17:39 Speck_Chaser: focus, gentlemen. focus.

07/12/06 19:17:57 DonPhelps: yes, more pitch, more area.....think of a b-day card

laying on a table, open. when you press it flat it covers more area.

07/12/06 19:18:02 PWkid: Brooke Burke is smoking

07/12/06 19:18:13 BarryM: pretty much .25 cents to .30 cents for a resi one time

cleaning

07/12/06 19:18:17 Speck_Chaser: dang, is this the Brooke Burke chat?

07/12/06 19:18:19 EnviroClean: sorry back to roofs boys!!

07/12/06 19:18:19 BarryM: a sq ft

07/12/06 19:18:22 Don74: Thats what I thought, is there a math equation for it

07/12/06 19:18:26 PWkid: Sorry

07/12/06 19:18:44 alohapc: funny don, most people think sq footage of house = sq

footage of roof!

07/12/06 19:18:54 Speck_Chaser: only in puerto rico

07/12/06 19:18:58 dennismcguinn: that's what i want to know, is there a math equation

for it?

07/12/06 19:19:08 Don74: I dont understand what a "x""y" pitch is.

07/12/06 19:19:15 Speck_Chaser: sq ft. x 1.3 for a standard pitch roof

07/12/06 19:19:19 alohapc: ive always used 1.5 times sq footage of house

07/12/06 19:19:23 PWkid: Take the sq ft of house and add 1/3 to it is a rule of thumb

for roof

07/12/06 19:19:31 Don74: Like if soneone is telling me a roof is a 1212 pitch, its

greek to me

07/12/06 19:19:34 FCPWLLC: There is an equation but I don't have it handy

07/12/06 19:19:42 DonPhelps: Don, you need to know the pitch to figure it out, but I

don't have the formula.

07/12/06 19:20:01 BarryM: 12/12 is very steep....lol

07/12/06 19:20:06 dennismcguinn: guestamation, i guess.

07/12/06 19:20:10 Speck_Chaser: 12 pitch means that it rises 12 inches every 12 inches

07/12/06 19:20:12 DonPhelps: I simply add anywhere from 20-33% to accomadate for pitch.

07/12/06 19:20:22 DonPhelps: accomodate, sorry

07/12/06 19:20:22 Speck_Chaser: 12 pitch is a 45 degree angle

07/12/06 19:20:35 Speck_Chaser: and a mother

07/12/06 19:20:42 Speck_Chaser: lots of those around here

07/12/06 19:20:56 EnviroClean: you guys are way outa my league my roof sq ft is the

same as the house, I guess I am just a flatwork cleaner that uses a ladder

07/12/06 19:21:08 DonPhelps: yeah Dennis, after a while it's about eye ballin' it to

some degree for me unless it's an apartment complex or something else huge.

07/12/06 19:21:26 EnviroClean: yeah nice scamper Speck!!!

07/12/06 19:21:30 alohapc: short changin yourself EC

07/12/06 19:21:37 dennismcguinn: i do what don told me to do, stick with the walkable

roofs

07/12/06 19:21:39 Speck_Chaser: don't you bring out the little wheel just to make the

lady happy?

07/12/06 19:21:53 dennismcguinn: yeah sometimes

07/12/06 19:22:01 EnviroClean: of coares I do!!!

07/12/06 19:22:10 Speck_Chaser: there are hardly any walkable roofs around here in

neighborhoods that will pay for roof cleaning.

07/12/06 19:22:21 DonPhelps: walkable roofs are best in my opinion for anyone starting

out because it allows you time to gain some knowledge and working experience.

07/12/06 19:22:33 BarryM: I agree

07/12/06 19:22:39 dennismcguinn: do it on a saturday when they are all working in their

yards. it works.

07/12/06 19:22:57 Speck_Chaser: to generate more business?

07/12/06 19:22:58 DonPhelps: I used to play the wheel game, but most of my estimates

are written before human contact is made.

07/12/06 19:23:17 Speck_Chaser: or to have 4 guys come over and tell you you're doing

it wrong?

07/12/06 19:23:28 Speck_Chaser: c'mon don. the wheel is cool.

07/12/06 19:23:31 BethnRod: More than 70% of the roofs around here are too steep and

3-4 stories off the ground due to terrain.

07/12/06 19:23:40 Speck_Chaser: yep

07/12/06 19:23:42 alohapc: best time to work IMO is saturday and sunday...folks see u

workin, wanna keep up with joneses

07/12/06 19:23:42 dennismcguinn: yeah, it definately generates more buisness. do one

roof, pick up five. :D

07/12/06 19:23:46 Speck_Chaser: and we don't even have any hills

07/12/06 19:23:47 Don74: Wow, how do you clean those?

07/12/06 19:23:50 DonPhelps: Yeah, it's that way in the ATL area too.

07/12/06 19:24:06 BarryM: that's why rod does wood instead

07/12/06 19:24:20 Speck_Chaser: but I don't want to do wood!

07/12/06 19:24:23 BethnRod: you know it Barry

07/12/06 19:24:33 DonPhelps: FL is mostly flat and that's a good thing....lol

07/12/06 19:24:36 Speck_Chaser: :cry:

07/12/06 19:25:00 alohapc: yeah 90 % are walkable

07/12/06 19:25:07 Speck_Chaser: louisiana is flatter than FL, but around here all the

yuppies want huge facades on their houses

07/12/06 19:25:13 McMoo: don how do you do that? before human cotact

07/12/06 19:25:18 Speck_Chaser: i took some pics today

07/12/06 19:25:24 BarryM: there is a lot of roofs to do in my area but homeowner are

just uneducated

07/12/06 19:25:28 Speck_Chaser: i'll post them soon

07/12/06 19:25:38 Don74: Exactly Barry, same here

07/12/06 19:25:48 BarryM: It's a midwest thing

07/12/06 19:25:51 alohapc: my sister said never to let anyone clean my roof" lol

07/12/06 19:25:57 Speck_Chaser: yeah, the ones with walkable roofs around here aren't

interested in cleaning them

07/12/06 19:26:05 BarryM: I'll educate them all Don

07/12/06 19:26:15 DonPhelps: I do my homework on the net first at the county

appraiser's site then go to the residence and take a quick peek. Most of it is written

up before I ever get out of the truck though.

07/12/06 19:26:16 EnviroClean: Do you guys know anything about waterproof coatings for

conrete roofs?

07/12/06 19:26:30 Speck_Chaser: nope

07/12/06 19:26:42 BarryM: concrete roof?

07/12/06 19:26:45 DonPhelps: I don't...anybody?

07/12/06 19:26:50 dennismcguinn: i've only done 5 roofs all on saturdays i have 22 so

far to do in january and febuary, all walkable.

07/12/06 19:26:57 Speck_Chaser: if anyone here does concrete patching and sealing i'm

offering labor-for-learning

07/12/06 19:27:14 Speck_Chaser: why in jan and feb?

07/12/06 19:27:17 Don74: There is a big roofing company here in St. Louis that has just

started running roof cleaning ads on TV. They keep running the ads, so I guess its

starting to work.

07/12/06 19:27:35 dennismcguinn: cause it's my least buisiest time

07/12/06 19:27:42 Speck_Chaser: wish someone (other than me) would run ads here

07/12/06 19:27:44 DonPhelps: Older neighborhoods with predominantly all ranch homes are

great fro raking in some roofs in qty.

07/12/06 19:27:47 EnviroClean: Everyone I do a roof for wants me to seal the roof but I

just don't know enough about different products and they all want a warranty on

coatings...i turn it down

07/12/06 19:28:17 Speck_Chaser: no ranch neighborhoods with $$ around here

07/12/06 19:28:30 Speck_Chaser: or i should say very few

07/12/06 19:28:46 dennismcguinn: yeah, right on, ranch styles rake it in and you can

schedule when you want once they see the results.

07/12/06 19:28:52 DonPhelps: They're hard to come by these days, but we have sevral

that are lake access and mid to high end

07/12/06 19:28:57 DonPhelps: several

07/12/06 19:28:58 Speck_Chaser: but if i want to do a significant number of roofs i

have to be able to shoot from the gutter

07/12/06 19:29:14 Don74: How far would chems go on a standard 1500 ranch house. How

many roofs can you clean if you cut a 12% mix in half in a 125 gallon container?

07/12/06 19:29:33 Speck_Chaser: OK, fine. I'm moving to Orlando. Can I live with you,

Don? :P

07/12/06 19:29:44 DonPhelps: I could clean probably 3-4

07/12/06 19:30:14 DonPhelps: sure thad, just pay half the bills! ;)

07/12/06 19:30:25 Speck_Chaser: mine or yours?

07/12/06 19:30:30 DonPhelps: both

07/12/06 19:30:33 Speck_Chaser: ouch

07/12/06 19:30:48 squirtgun Logs in [68.154.83.149]

07/12/06 19:31:01 Speck_Chaser: howdy

07/12/06 19:31:02 DonPhelps: it only takes about 30-40 gal for a roof...sometimes not

even that.

07/12/06 19:31:10 dennismcguinn: how about the blue discharge hose on the drain end of

the gutters? is it nessicary?

07/12/06 19:31:10 PWkid: Whats up Scott

07/12/06 19:31:12 DonPhelps: what's up Scott!

07/12/06 19:31:20 EnviroClean: Hey scotty!!

07/12/06 19:31:21 squirtgun: Sup ya'll

07/12/06 19:31:30 Speck_Chaser: you, prolly

07/12/06 19:31:36 squirtgun: lol

07/12/06 19:31:49 Speck_Chaser: well, you missed it

07/12/06 19:31:53 DonPhelps: Dennis, what is it? One of those that rolls up?

07/12/06 19:31:55 squirtgun: what's that

07/12/06 19:31:56 Speck_Chaser: we're all moving to orlando

07/12/06 19:32:05 Speck_Chaser: gonna all live at phelps house

07/12/06 19:32:09 dennismcguinn: exactly yeah

07/12/06 19:32:12 Speck_Chaser: he'll pay half our bills

07/12/06 19:32:20 DonPhelps: There's too many tourists that never left here

already....lol!

07/12/06 19:32:21 Speck_Chaser: :D

07/12/06 19:32:23 FLORIN: Newbie question- what ?% bleach on roof surface for medium

mold & mildew

07/12/06 19:32:45 DonPhelps: anywhere from 35-50 in my opinion.

07/12/06 19:32:48 Speck_Chaser: newbie answer- start with 3% and adjust from there?

07/12/06 19:32:51 BarryM: 4-6%

07/12/06 19:33:07 PWkid: I am a 50-50 guy but thats my opinion

07/12/06 19:33:10 DonPhelps: mine is in chem/water #'s

07/12/06 19:33:12 BarryM: Depends on steepness, temperature outside, color of shingle

07/12/06 19:33:24 Speck_Chaser: zodiac sign, wind direction

07/12/06 19:33:26 BarryM: and how fresh the chlorine is

07/12/06 19:33:35 Speck_Chaser: moon phase

07/12/06 19:33:42 BarryM: seriously

07/12/06 19:33:43 DonPhelps: Barry has a good point.....temps slows it down, even down

here.

07/12/06 19:34:13 BarryM: moon phase? okay that was funny

07/12/06 19:34:13 Don74: So the hotter is it outside the better?

07/12/06 19:34:19 Speck_Chaser: that's why i was wondering why dennis was doing them in

jan

07/12/06 19:34:21 FCPWLLC: Longer the dwell the better?

07/12/06 19:34:48 DonPhelps: There are many variables that always seem to be forgotten

about when people reply in open forums. freshness, availability, equipment,

experience, etc.

07/12/06 19:34:57 dennismcguinn: maybe i'm spoiled but two or three hundred dollars a

day with a long dwell time in january and febuary seems like good money to me.

07/12/06 19:35:07 Speck_Chaser: it's different every day, right?

07/12/06 19:35:23 dennismcguinn: definately, yeah.

07/12/06 19:35:47 FLORIN: good stuff here, got to go though hope we do this again.

07/12/06 19:35:49 Speck_Chaser: it doesn't get that cold here, so jan/feb wouldn't be a

big deal

07/12/06 19:35:52 FCPWLLC: Is there a point when Dwell time will be too much?

07/12/06 19:35:59 BarryM: I guarantee you could not come up here in 60 degree weather a

try to xjet a roof

07/12/06 19:36:08 Speck_Chaser: ?

07/12/06 19:36:09 DonPhelps: hot is good when spraying except for having your mix

evaporate quickly sometimes.

07/12/06 19:36:25 Don74: I see.

07/12/06 19:36:43 dennismcguinn: here in Charleston, SC our average mean tempature is

72 degrees. works for me.

07/12/06 19:36:57 FLORIN Logs Out

07/12/06 19:37:04 DonPhelps: Michael, not really.....it kills the algae and dries.

after that, you're ready to rinse if the roof is otherwise finished.

07/12/06 19:37:16 squirtgun: Are you xjetting from the ground Barry?

07/12/06 19:37:18 PWkid: I love charleston SC. I used to live in MB SC

07/12/06 19:37:30 BarryM: no, I shurflo from the roof

07/12/06 19:37:39 Speck_Chaser: findyourspot.com keeps telling me to move to myrtle

beach

07/12/06 19:37:44 dennismcguinn: aaahhh myrtle beach. sun fun capital of the world.

gotta love it.

07/12/06 19:37:44 BarryM: x jet would put out a strong enough mix

07/12/06 19:37:46 squirtgun: oh ok

07/12/06 19:37:53 BarryM: would not, sorry

07/12/06 19:37:53 FCPWLLC: So no problem with drying? When I do Vinyl, Drying is bad.

At least on windows.

07/12/06 19:38:05 Don74: So I have read some people shoot from the gutters. Do you xjet

or shurflo from there? Will a shurflo shoot 30ft?

07/12/06 19:38:08 squirtgun: I do it all the time with and xjet.

07/12/06 19:38:10 DonPhelps: some people rinse with their pwer too by choking an open

ball valve and just shooting it up there.

07/12/06 19:38:24 Speck_Chaser: scott- what gpm with the xjet

07/12/06 19:38:41 EnviroClean: Well roof dudes thanks looks like you have serious

business here...estan hablando chino para mi ( your speaking chinese to me) My roofs

are flatwork, see you all on the flipside

07/12/06 19:38:45 DonPhelps: distance will depend on setup, nozzle size, wind, etc.

07/12/06 19:38:51 Speck_Chaser: later, j

07/12/06 19:38:59 BethnRod: Anyone use the flex wand? It will shoot a goo 30-40 feet

without a tip with the type of gpms you guys have

07/12/06 19:39:01 BarryM: see ya

07/12/06 19:39:02 Speck_Chaser: don't foam brooke burke

07/12/06 19:39:05 BethnRod: oops good

07/12/06 19:39:17 Speck_Chaser: lol

07/12/06 19:39:18 EnviroClean Logs Out

07/12/06 19:39:27 BarryM: never tried it Rod

07/12/06 19:39:30 squirtgun: 5.2,we pull straight 12% from a 5er that is elelvated.

07/12/06 19:39:47 BarryM: what % is that hitting the roof then

07/12/06 19:39:57 BarryM: 4 or so?

07/12/06 19:39:59 DonPhelps: we don't, but our setup is somewhat unique at this point.

it will soon change I believe.

07/12/06 19:40:11 squirtgun: about 3% to 4%

07/12/06 19:40:21 Speck_Chaser: will your new setup be fruit-oriented?

07/12/06 19:40:25 Speck_Chaser ducks

07/12/06 19:40:32 Speck_Chaser runs

07/12/06 19:40:34 DonPhelps: be nice, Thad!

07/12/06 19:40:36 squirtgun: with fresh chems there is little need to reapply.

07/12/06 19:40:39 BarryM: let me guess Don, 5/8 inch hose?

07/12/06 19:40:40 Speck_Chaser: i'm always nice

07/12/06 19:40:58 DonPhelps: lol....moving along!

07/12/06 19:41:01 Speck_Chaser: hahaha

07/12/06 19:41:05 Don74: LOL

07/12/06 19:41:10 BarryM: lol

07/12/06 19:41:10 Speck_Chaser rofl

07/12/06 19:41:13 BarryM: sorry

07/12/06 19:41:24 McMoo: lol

07/12/06 19:41:25 BethnRod: use the flex wand w/o a tip and it throws a full flow water

jet.

07/12/06 19:41:36 Don74: Squirt, you put the 5er on the roof and go to town?

07/12/06 19:41:39 DonPhelps: like I always say...."Do what works for you!"

07/12/06 19:41:48 dennismcguinn: hey don, never got my answered question on the blue

discharge hose, anybody can jump in on this, do i need the blue hose or not if i run

the sprinklers?

07/12/06 19:41:49 BarryM: right

07/12/06 19:42:08 BarryM: sounds like that could work for rinsing Rod

07/12/06 19:42:11 DonPhelps: I'm not sure what blue hose you mean?

07/12/06 19:42:11 PWkid: Not taking anything away from Chris I have used shurflo and

have never used a 5/8 hos but now I use a totally different set-up

07/12/06 19:42:23 BethnRod: exactly

07/12/06 19:42:25 Speck_Chaser: what blue hose?

07/12/06 19:42:37 squirtgun: sometimes it goes on the roof,but I will tie ot off at the

ladder about 4 ft from the ground

07/12/06 19:42:57 Speck_Chaser: why can't you leave it on the ground?

07/12/06 19:43:02 BarryM: wont draw

07/12/06 19:43:05 Speck_Chaser: ah

07/12/06 19:43:06 squirtgun: won't draw as well

07/12/06 19:43:07 BethnRod Joins Subroom Town Meeting

07/12/06 19:43:09 Speck_Chaser: rats

07/12/06 19:43:19 dennismcguinn: blue foldable discharge hose tied around the base of

the gutter outflow, i've killed a couple plants trying to move the water away from the

base of the plants.

07/12/06 19:43:24 Don74: There is no way mine will draw like that

07/12/06 19:43:25 BarryM: I cant get an xjet to draw standing on a ladder

07/12/06 19:43:39 Don74: But I have only got a 3gpm machine.

07/12/06 19:43:39 BarryM: not bashing it, I'm just saying

07/12/06 19:43:43 squirtgun: xjetting isn't the easiest way to do it but we don't do 2

roofs a day

07/12/06 19:43:53 Don74: Thats my next investment

07/12/06 19:43:57 Speck_Chaser: so it takes a lot longer?

07/12/06 19:44:04 Speck_Chaser: with an xjet?

07/12/06 19:44:10 squirtgun: with 3gpm you should be getting a better ratio than i am

07/12/06 19:44:21 DonPhelps: Dennis, have you tried just laying a running garden hose

at the downspout?

07/12/06 19:44:22 BethnRod: Hang your bucket from a rope.

07/12/06 19:44:25 PWkid: I have never had any luck with cleaning roofs with an x-jet

07/12/06 19:44:28 squirtgun: we can do a 2400 sq ft house in under 2 hours

07/12/06 19:44:50 Speck_Chaser: i wonder how different the algae is in GA

07/12/06 19:44:53 Speck_Chaser: than FL

07/12/06 19:44:53 dennismcguinn: yeah i've tried it, bought a fica plant for somebody.

07/12/06 19:45:06 BarryM: really all you need for a shurflo setup is...the shurflo, a

tank, and 200' of chem hose, and battery

07/12/06 19:45:19 DonPhelps: lol...at least it wasn't a 10 year old 20 ft palm.

07/12/06 19:45:23 BarryM: and a wand

07/12/06 19:45:24 Speck_Chaser: and a roof that you can walk on

07/12/06 19:45:26 squirtgun: it's hardy but I don

07/12/06 19:45:31 BarryM: right

07/12/06 19:45:38 BarryM: and lots of roofs to do

07/12/06 19:45:43 squirtgun: oops don't knwo if it's any different than Fl

07/12/06 19:45:46 Speck_Chaser: one is better than none

07/12/06 19:45:56 DonPhelps: yep, shurflo setups are simple and work great.

07/12/06 19:46:05 Don74: We are going to clean my mother in laws roof next week. It

about a 412 pitch 1000 sqft for practice. I was going to put the bucket on the roof and

let my helper xjet. and rinse while I am rinsing underneath

07/12/06 19:46:17 BarryM: I just ordered another pump to have on hand for a back up

07/12/06 19:46:22 Speck_Chaser: which one?

07/12/06 19:46:26 Speck_Chaser: 1.8?

07/12/06 19:46:29 DonPhelps: Dennis, acll me tomorrow or Friday and we can go through

the blue hose thing, OK?

07/12/06 19:46:32 BarryM: only $60 what the heck

07/12/06 19:46:36 DonPhelps: call, sorry

07/12/06 19:46:41 BarryM: 1.8gpm 60psi

07/12/06 19:46:42 johnT Logs in [24.47.58.129]

07/12/06 19:46:42 DonPhelps queries IP of johnT

07/12/06 19:46:42 BethnRod queries IP of johnT

07/12/06 19:46:42 squirtgun: have to run.Later

07/12/06 19:46:50 Speck_Chaser: later, squirty!

07/12/06 19:46:50 dennismcguinn: i gotta go, i got a 9:00. thanks don and everybody for

your help. and it was a big help. let's do it again. hope the transcripts are up

somewhere i can find them tomorrow, i want to read the rest of this.

07/12/06 19:46:59 dennismcguinn: so long and thanks for all the fish.

07/12/06 19:47:02 squirtgun Logs Out

07/12/06 19:47:02 BarryM: see ya

07/12/06 19:47:02 Speck_Chaser: bye!

07/12/06 19:47:09 Don74: bye

07/12/06 19:47:17 DonPhelps: Thanks for joining in on the chat Dennis!

07/12/06 19:47:29 johnT: Hello hows the chat working out

07/12/06 19:47:36 BethnRod: great

07/12/06 19:47:39 Speck_Chaser: he brought up a good point about transcripts

07/12/06 19:47:49 BarryM: ya, print them

07/12/06 19:47:51 BethnRod: evening John, Rod keying

07/12/06 19:47:53 Speck_Chaser: are there any available?

07/12/06 19:47:54 DonPhelps: Beth will probably post them

07/12/06 19:48:01 Speck_Chaser: cool

07/12/06 19:48:09 Speck_Chaser: so behave, don

07/12/06 19:48:20 BethnRod: She will post the transcript tomorrow.

07/12/06 19:48:33 BarryM: Rod you have a good women

07/12/06 19:48:35 DonPhelps: lol...I'm too old to cause trouble anymore!

07/12/06 19:48:54 Don74: So is roof cleaning slow this time of year like everything

else?

07/12/06 19:49:02 johnT: I think where all to old.lol at least I am

07/12/06 19:49:24 DonPhelps: It's been a little slow here.....Doing a ton of flatwork

now, though.

07/12/06 19:49:34 Speck_Chaser: it's just too darn hot to run around on roofs

07/12/06 19:49:48 PWkid: It is for me right now but I am hoping it will pick up

07/12/06 19:49:51 BethnRod: Thank you, she has made me proud. Whirling dirvish she be!

07/12/06 19:50:27 johnT: do you guys mostly do roof jobs on the roof or from the

ground??

07/12/06 19:50:33 Speck_Chaser: that brought up a very funny mental image, rod

07/12/06 19:50:35 PWkid: Never too hot if the money is right lol

07/12/06 19:50:40 Work2Fish Logs in [71.1.253.107]

07/12/06 19:50:42 DonPhelps: Thad, you keep finding reasons not to do them. What's up

with that? ;)

07/12/06 19:50:48 Speck_Chaser: lazy

07/12/06 19:50:48 EverettAbrams Logs in [69.142.42.190]

07/12/06 19:50:52 Speck_Chaser: skeered

07/12/06 19:51:12 Speck_Chaser: hey, guys

07/12/06 19:51:15 DonPhelps: lol....it only hurts for a second or two!

07/12/06 19:51:16 BarryM: John I do them from the roof

07/12/06 19:51:16 Work2Fish: Well i got in huys the party can start :D

07/12/06 19:51:27 Speck_Chaser: OK, everybody go home!

07/12/06 19:51:29 DonPhelps: what's up, Chris!

07/12/06 19:51:30 EverettAbrams Logs Out

07/12/06 19:51:31 Speck_Chaser: it's over!

07/12/06 19:51:35 johnT: Hey Everett has entered the bldg...

07/12/06 19:51:42 Speck_Chaser: dnag, i was only kidding

07/12/06 19:51:48 DonPhelps: ...and left the building too.

07/12/06 19:51:51 johnT: Everett has left the bldg.lol

07/12/06 19:51:51 Speck_Chaser: :(

07/12/06 19:52:00 Speck_Chaser: uh-oh

07/12/06 19:52:08 McMoo: Beth Thanks for the help today :)

07/12/06 19:52:10 Work2Fish: nothing just seeing how the rest of yall power washers are

doing

07/12/06 19:52:16 BarryM: That's Rod

07/12/06 19:52:24 DonPhelps: Cleaning anything Chris Cole?

07/12/06 19:52:32 BethnRod: She say's your welcome!

07/12/06 19:52:51 BarryM: She can here us?

07/12/06 19:52:56 BarryM: Hi Beth!!

07/12/06 19:52:59 Speck_Chaser: lOL

07/12/06 19:53:02 Work2Fish: just finished all the florida hospitals and now looking at

a big mall project

07/12/06 19:53:09 Work2Fish: $$$$

07/12/06 19:53:10 Speck_Chaser: wow, congrats

07/12/06 19:53:19 BethnRod: She is on the other pc

07/12/06 19:53:23 DonPhelps: You'll get it!

07/12/06 19:53:33 Don74: Thats nice. Congrats

07/12/06 19:53:46 BarryM: what did you do at the hospitals?

07/12/06 19:53:50 Speck_Chaser: so when are we going fishing, mr. $$$$$?

07/12/06 19:53:59 DonPhelps: anyone have any other questions/comments about roof

cleaning?

07/12/06 19:54:04 Work2Fish: I got me a skinny helper now so im ready to clean some

roofs

07/12/06 19:54:10 Work2Fish: any time

07/12/06 19:54:23 DonPhelps: lol....Don't let that kid get hurt!

07/12/06 19:54:26 Speck_Chaser: skinny helpers are key, no?

07/12/06 19:54:26 Don74: I just sent out 20 letters to property managers, going to send

out 23 more to banks after I get the letter wrote out tonight.

07/12/06 19:54:34 BethnRod: Does anyone use a block and tackle set up to do the steep

ones or just get a lift to do it with?

07/12/06 19:55:01 RonMusgraves Logs in [68.3.15.56]

07/12/06 19:55:02 BethnRod: Skinny ones blow off easily :)

07/12/06 19:55:03 Speck_Chaser: good question

07/12/06 19:55:03 BarryM: Good going Don M, think guerrila baby

07/12/06 19:55:25 PWkid: If I can't reach it with a 12' ft step ladder and 300 psi I'll

use a lift

07/12/06 19:55:27 DonPhelps: We shoot them from the edge, unless it's commercial. Then

a lift is needed.

07/12/06 19:55:29 BethnRod: hey Ron

07/12/06 19:55:30 RonMusgraves: hello

07/12/06 19:55:36 RonMusgraves: holy cow

07/12/06 19:55:37 Speck_Chaser: howdy

07/12/06 19:55:42 RonMusgraves: about 20 people

07/12/06 19:55:47 DonPhelps: Welcome Ron!

07/12/06 19:55:55 RonMusgraves: thats really cool

07/12/06 19:56:03 BarryM: hey Ron

07/12/06 19:56:03 Don74: I'm thinking about cleaning a church building the week after

next for free just to get my name out there.

07/12/06 19:56:36 BarryM: can't hurt, especially if you have the time.

07/12/06 19:56:46 DonPhelps: cleaning churches works on a lot of levels. Some of them

ahve unique roof lines too, which is good for ad pics.

07/12/06 19:57:09 BarryM: a lot of churches want it done for free anyway

07/12/06 19:57:10 johnT: Free is Rons middle name and it can get you plenty of business

if done right

07/12/06 19:57:42 PWkid: And it is a tax write off

07/12/06 19:57:47 Don74: This one is huge! I will post some pics of it tomorrow. It

would be nice if they would pay for chems, but hey, hopefully I would get some calls

from the members

07/12/06 19:57:48 Work2Fish: what do you do if the tile roof hasnt been cleaned for 30

years and the goo is like a inch thick?

07/12/06 19:57:52 DonPhelps: There are a few that I want to clean for free around here

just for the pics.

07/12/06 19:57:58 johnT: I cleaned last year the Cooperstown Stadium with others for

free for the CAA project and it gets me jobs on my website

07/12/06 19:58:21 Speck_Chaser: OK, thanks for the good info, guys.

07/12/06 19:58:24 Speck_Chaser: I'm Audi

07/12/06 19:58:26 procarepm Logs in [71.99.144.67]

07/12/06 19:58:40 BarryM: dont let your meat loaf

07/12/06 19:58:42 BarryM: later

07/12/06 19:58:44 Speck_Chaser: have a good night, all!

07/12/06 19:58:55 johnT: later

07/12/06 19:58:56 DonPhelps: Chris, it's like any other except for price and danger

factor usually. If it's moss, it's a different story though.

07/12/06 19:59:01 Speck_Chaser Logs Out

07/12/06 19:59:17 DonPhelps: Welcome Procare!

07/12/06 19:59:30 Work2Fish: have you been by Rollins colleg lately

07/12/06 19:59:30 procarepm: Thank you

07/12/06 19:59:50 RonMusgraves: Hey guys, gotta run. this sounds like fun. wish i could

stay.

07/12/06 19:59:58 DonPhelps: nope, not my side of town. That would be a nice, high

profile job though.

07/12/06 20:00:00 Work2Fish: see yah ron

07/12/06 20:00:00 johnT: cya Ron

07/12/06 20:00:03 RonMusgraves: concrat to beth on writing job

07/12/06 20:00:05 DonPhelps: later Ron

07/12/06 20:00:08 BarryM: see ya ron

07/12/06 20:00:09 RonMusgraves: bye

07/12/06 20:00:25 BethnRod: thanks!!!!

07/12/06 20:00:29 RonMusgraves Logs Out

07/12/06 20:00:48 DonPhelps: I'm thinking about going after the Hard Rock Hotel. It

looks terrible, it's huge and it's not that steep.

07/12/06 20:00:58 Work2Fish: the whole place is tile make great pics

07/12/06 20:01:03 FCPWLLC: Gotta go.... My Bed time.

07/12/06 20:01:10 DonPhelps: Probably at least 4-5 stories though.

07/12/06 20:01:13 Work2Fish: see yah fcp

07/12/06 20:01:14 PWkid: Lotsa good publicity

07/12/06 20:01:20 DavidV: i'm doing playground equip for my daughters school to

paint...

07/12/06 20:01:28 DonPhelps: Thanks for stopping in Michael!

07/12/06 20:01:33 BarryM: see ya

07/12/06 20:01:39 DavidV: wood swing and things

07/12/06 20:01:42 FCPWLLC Logs Out

07/12/06 20:01:56 johnT: I gotta run also..good job with this chat Beth and Don

Phelps..

07/12/06 20:02:01 Work2Fish: thats all you don

07/12/06 20:02:18 Work2Fish: ill run ground crew for yah

07/12/06 20:02:27 DonPhelps: Give them plenty of business cards if you do,

David...That's a great opportunity.

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07/12/06 20:02:48 DonPhelps: Thanks for stopping in John!

07/12/06 20:02:54 DonPhelps: oops...too late.

07/12/06 20:02:58 Don74: Whats the best way to market /advertise this service.

07/12/06 20:03:11 DavidV: pto prez...dentist wife...now wants his building done

07/12/06 20:03:38 DavidV: doing an article 4 local paper too

07/12/06 20:03:49 DonPhelps: Like most others really, but I've had success with

networking through other companies.....GC's, pool services, realtors, etc.

07/12/06 20:04:08 DonPhelps: realtors are tricky though....Most aren't interested.

07/12/06 20:04:27 dennismcguinn Disconnects

07/12/06 20:04:54 Don74: Yeah I agree. I have talked to a few, gave some business cards

too, even told them I would give them a commission. Nothing

07/12/06 20:05:01 BarryM: another reason to get into bni Don M

07/12/06 20:05:05 Work2Fish: im going to hang door hangers on hand pick homes that need

3 or more types of services hopefully cut the phone book and get the direct call.

07/12/06 20:06:03 Don74: Barry, I just dont know about bni. And quite honestly I cant

swing it right now with the finances the way they are.

07/12/06 20:06:07 Work2Fish: Ive got 750 and hope to maybe get 25 sales, probably less

07/12/06 20:06:16 DonPhelps: Chris entioned a way that we use too by targeting specific

homes that need several services rather than wasting time/materials by blanketing

entire 'hoods.

07/12/06 20:06:22 BarryM: I understand believe me

07/12/06 20:06:26 BarryM: gotta eat first

07/12/06 20:06:27 DonPhelps: mentioned

07/12/06 20:07:17 Don74: I've sent out 900 postcards with one call, no job. That hurts.

I hope they are hanging on to the cards and will call when the kids get back in school.

07/12/06 20:07:20 Work2Fish: I can post a pic of what a got made later and they where

pretty cheap to get made

07/12/06 20:07:27 BarryM: I really believe it's all about educating the homeowner

07/12/06 20:07:56 BarryM: I'm doing some education marketing

07/12/06 20:08:10 BarryM: We'll see how it goes

07/12/06 20:08:10 DonPhelps: Roof cleaning is somewhat more specialized like wood

restoration. Not as many in it and the pay is usually very good.

07/12/06 20:08:19 Work2Fish: has anyone had a good response to the newsletter thing

07/12/06 20:08:27 Don74: With the flyer from Keith? I hope it does well for you.

07/12/06 20:08:37 BarryM: Yes, thanks Don

07/12/06 20:08:42 DonPhelps: Keith does great work

07/12/06 20:08:44 BarryM: I hope so too

07/12/06 20:08:49 BarryM: yes he does

07/12/06 20:08:55 PWkid: I sent out 1000 post cards around a month ago and nothing

07/12/06 20:09:13 PWkid: It is a tough market this time a year in Florida

07/12/06 20:09:13 BarryM: what was on them?

07/12/06 20:09:17 DonPhelps: He'll be working on something for me again soon...He just

doesn't know it yet, lol.

07/12/06 20:09:27 BarryM: lol

07/12/06 20:09:30 Don74: Don, the roof business here is totally untapped market, that

is why I am interested into gettingin this.

07/12/06 20:09:42 Work2Fish: how did you decide where the 1000 went to

07/12/06 20:09:44 BarryM: he's cleaning up my website right now

07/12/06 20:10:31 PWkid: From driving around and noticing the type of neighborhood and

its money potential.

07/12/06 20:10:33 DonPhelps: I think it'll probably always stay somewaht more open in

most areas due to the fact that some many people aren't interested in the height/danger

issues among other things.

07/12/06 20:10:48 DonPhelps: so many, sorry

07/12/06 20:10:50 PWkid: Also how dirty it was

07/12/06 20:11:11 Work2Fish: did you buy a mailing list for a neighbor hood

07/12/06 20:11:23 Work2Fish: or hand picked

07/12/06 20:12:21 Don74: I could be wrong, but I think for a new company to really make

the turn is to get in with a property manager.

07/12/06 20:12:26 PWkid: Actually I went to the propert appr website and got addys and

my wife was bored one night and addressed them and mailed them.

07/12/06 20:12:36 DonPhelps: Commercial roof cleaning is the directing I've set sail

for, as some have noticed. Huge money and very little competition and we're done in a

week or two.

07/12/06 20:12:49 Don74: This residental thing is good, but for me latley is has been

feast or famine.

07/12/06 20:12:59 Don74: And this last week has been famine.

07/12/06 20:13:02 Don74: :)

07/12/06 20:13:19 BarryM: I also got a taste of the money in commercial roof cleaning,

very yummy

07/12/06 20:13:29 DonPhelps: It's that way often, until you've been around for a while.

07/12/06 20:14:13 DonPhelps: Barry, what was that one pic group you posted from? A

country club or something? I can't remember

07/12/06 20:14:26 PWkid: Commercial roof cleaning is awesome money and I have done a

lot of it but just make sure you have your ducks in a row

07/12/06 20:14:43 DonPhelps: lol

07/12/06 20:14:43 BarryM: Office buildings, 12 of em

07/12/06 20:14:54 BarryM: 32,000 sq ft total

07/12/06 20:14:57 Don74: Hey PW, care to expand on your "ducks"

07/12/06 20:15:17 DonPhelps: The one with the streaks you were concerned about?

07/12/06 20:15:35 BarryM: ya, it turned out good after a few rains

07/12/06 20:16:17 Work2Fish: commercial is only good for you established guys a newnie

like my self couldnt afford to take on a big proj unless i bring other contractors but

then you lose the job and credibility.

07/12/06 20:16:20 DonPhelps: I thought it would....Kinda freaks you out when you get

your stuff packed up and see it, but it usually rinses with raain.

07/12/06 20:16:49 PWkid: Equipment,workers,making sure you have the right insurance,

and Workers comp is very important

07/12/06 20:16:55 BarryM: yup, it was just that cloudy look

07/12/06 20:17:04 BarryM: thanks for your help on that one

07/12/06 20:17:12 Work2Fish: but i wouldnt ever turn down a peice of pie vs losing the

whole thing

07/12/06 20:17:13 DonPhelps: Why do you say that, Chris? I told you I would help you

out. It's still your gig!

07/12/06 20:17:33 Work2Fish: in general

07/12/06 20:17:48 BarryM: I disagree, sorry

07/12/06 20:17:49 Work2Fish: i lucky to have friendly competitors

07/12/06 20:18:15 DonPhelps: It only takes a few then you're on your own.

07/12/06 20:18:26 DonPhelps: What do you mean, Barry?

07/12/06 20:18:44 BarryM: I just bid on a 36 building apartment complex. I have no

employees and a small setup

07/12/06 20:18:48 DonPhelps: I take care of you, Chris.

07/12/06 20:19:01 BarryM: but I dont care, if I get the job I'll figure out how to do

it

07/12/06 20:19:04 Work2Fish: i appreciate it man

07/12/06 20:19:27 BarryM: don't be scared to go for it

07/12/06 20:19:32 Don74: Chris, are you just new to roofs or new to the whole thing?

07/12/06 20:19:51 Work2Fish: i dont like to work with shoot first clean up later. it

could kill your business

07/12/06 20:20:02 Work2Fish: whole thing

07/12/06 20:20:04 DonPhelps: They can be intimidating until you get your mind around

it. ask Mel about the one we did last fall. There were a lot of dirty roofs staring

at us for a while.

07/12/06 20:20:13 Work2Fish: surface work i feel good with

07/12/06 20:20:26 BarryM: your biz could die before you get to that point

07/12/06 20:20:49 Work2Fish: when ypour talking roofs still wet behind the ears, some

would say i havent turn the faucet yet

07/12/06 20:20:55 Don74: And you just cleaned some hospitals? I am impressed!

07/12/06 20:21:09 Work2Fish: yep

07/12/06 20:21:50 PWkid: Don is right but we stepped up and goter done

07/12/06 20:21:52 DonPhelps: I think Chris has a pretty good grasp on things, just

needs more 'real world' experience. I let him tag along when I can.

07/12/06 20:21:53 Don74: Did you mail them letters, go talk to head of maint or what?

07/12/06 20:21:56 Work2Fish: don helped me out with representing my self and how to

handle corp managment

07/12/06 20:22:08 BarryM: Don P, how small did you start out?

07/12/06 20:22:38 DavidV: wish you guys were close to Ohio

07/12/06 20:22:47 BarryM: I'm in IN

07/12/06 20:22:56 DonPhelps: lol....find a friendly cleaner in your area.

07/12/06 20:22:59 Work2Fish: GO buckeyes!!!!!!!!!!

07/12/06 20:23:08 BarryM: please

07/12/06 20:23:20 DavidV: how far from canton...pro football HOF

07/12/06 20:23:30 Don74: Its time to take a road trip to Florida!

07/12/06 20:23:33 DonPhelps: GO HOSERS! :D

07/12/06 20:23:43 Work2Fish: hosers...losers

07/12/06 20:23:45 DavidV: bucks rule

07/12/06 20:23:46 DonPhelps: C'mon down!

07/12/06 20:23:50 BarryM: you spelled that wrong smart ass

07/12/06 20:23:54 BarryM: lol

07/12/06 20:23:58 Don74: LOL

07/12/06 20:24:06 DonPhelps: lol...no I didn't!

07/12/06 20:24:15 DavidV: lol

07/12/06 20:24:17 BarryM: I'm about 2 hours from OH

07/12/06 20:24:27 DonPhelps: I used to live in Evansville, IN

07/12/06 20:24:29 BarryM: Do you know where FT Wayne IN is?

07/12/06 20:24:39 PWkid: Here we go you can tell football season is around the corner

lol

07/12/06 20:24:40 DavidV: yes

07/12/06 20:24:55 Don74: Chris, how did you get your foot in the door with the

hospitals?

07/12/06 20:24:58 BarryM: I'm 1 hour west of there

07/12/06 20:25:07 DavidV: ok

07/12/06 20:25:18 BarryM: 1.5 hours really

07/12/06 20:25:40 DavidV: im going to mapquest it

07/12/06 20:25:46 BarryM: how long have you been in biz David

07/12/06 20:25:54 BarryM: ok, I'm in Plymouth, IN

07/12/06 20:26:01 DavidV: since april 1st

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07/12/06 20:26:08 BarryM: cool

07/12/06 20:26:15 DonPhelps: Chris? Chris? Oh well, he works for the hospitol.

07/12/06 20:26:18 BarryM: I bet the roof market is untapped there also

07/12/06 20:26:21 DavidV: real green

07/12/06 20:26:29 DavidV: yes nobody

07/12/06 20:26:52 BarryM: homeowners don't have a clue their roofs can be cleaned,

right?

07/12/06 20:27:03 Don74: So Don, I know its off the roof topic, but what would be the

best way of contacting a hospital about cleaning?

07/12/06 20:27:22 DonPhelps: That's the way it is in KY where my hometown is.

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07/12/06 20:27:50 DavidV: yes when I tell people i'm to start offering

07/12/06 20:28:02 Work2Fish: I work for them as employee, the VP of my hospital let

start detailing cars there, one of the facilty managers was geting a price hid wifes

van and bs's with me about doing some cleaning. hungery for business i told him i could

do it.

07/12/06 20:28:05 DavidV: they say u can do that

07/12/06 20:28:08 DonPhelps: You've got to find out who the contact person is. Usually

a maintenance supervisor, etc.

07/12/06 20:28:14 Login Failure for JJ1980 [206.48.230.195]

07/12/06 20:28:38 Login Failure for JJ1980 [206.48.230.195]

07/12/06 20:28:46 Work2Fish: Enginerring dept is usally the quickest place to start

07/12/06 20:28:50 DavidV: ur 5 1/2 hrs from me barry

07/12/06 20:29:00 BarryM: Not bad.

07/12/06 20:29:17 BarryM: Don M is 4-5 hours from me the other way

07/12/06 20:29:23 DavidV: maybe some labor for learning

07/12/06 20:29:24 BarryM: we should all hook up sometime

07/12/06 20:29:30 BarryM: sure

07/12/06 20:29:40 DavidV: sounds great

07/12/06 20:29:51 BarryM: are you wanting to learn about roofs only?

07/12/06 20:29:59 Work2Fish: hospitals a kinda a pain thou

07/12/06 20:29:59 DonPhelps: Barry, you should host a R?T sometime....They're fun and

everybody gets to put faces with names.

07/12/06 20:30:06 DonPhelps: r/t

07/12/06 20:30:14 DavidV: no

07/12/06 20:30:21 BarryM: I should

07/12/06 20:30:29 Don74: There you go Barry. A good public speaking event...

07/12/06 20:30:36 Don74: lol

07/12/06 20:30:37 BarryM: Steves was a blast, and I learned a lot

07/12/06 20:30:38 DavidV: i want to everything i can...to be like u guys...PROS

07/12/06 20:30:51 DonPhelps: Steve Rowlett?

07/12/06 20:30:56 BarryM: Don M and I have been talking on a weekly basis since

07/12/06 20:31:04 Work2Fish: power washers Grrrr

07/12/06 20:31:06 BarryM: yes the zz top guy

07/12/06 20:31:09 BarryM: lol

07/12/06 20:31:10 McMoo: Don thanks for the chat! Time to put the teeth in the jar by

the bed. lol night all!

07/12/06 20:31:12 Don74: yes Steve R

07/12/06 20:31:22 DonPhelps: lol...I've been to a lot of his too.

07/12/06 20:31:27 Don74: See ya McMoo

07/12/06 20:31:39 Work2Fish: cya mcmoo

07/12/06 20:31:44 DonPhelps: lol...Thanks for stopping in Dan!

07/12/06 20:31:45 Don74: Well I got to go. Talk to you later

07/12/06 20:31:46 BarryM: So David, what services do you offer?

07/12/06 20:31:51 Don74 Logs Out

07/12/06 20:31:54 DavidV: anything for wife and daughter to do while working

07/12/06 20:31:55 BarryM: see ya Don

07/12/06 20:31:57 McMoo Logs Out

07/12/06 20:32:06 DavidV: fleet

07/12/06 20:32:13 DavidV: i type real slow

07/12/06 20:32:21 BarryM: don't know about fleets

07/12/06 20:32:35 BarryM: Jarrod up in Mich would be who to see on that one

07/12/06 20:32:36 DavidV: house decks driveways fences

07/12/06 20:32:50 DonPhelps: You guys wanna pack it in, or stay and chat for a while?

I'm fine one way or the other.

07/12/06 20:32:53 DavidV: doing some cars to stay busy

07/12/06 20:32:54 BarryM: I do wood, houses, roof, concrete

07/12/06 20:33:05 Work2Fish: anyone think shopping carts are worht takleing, w/ an xjet

and some love you bang a bunch out quich right?

07/12/06 20:33:08 BarryM: I'll stay

07/12/06 20:33:10 DavidV: thats what i want

07/12/06 20:33:17 DonPhelps: nope carts for me, thanks.

07/12/06 20:33:26 DonPhelps: lol, no carts!

07/12/06 20:33:40 BarryM: call me tomorrow David 574-941-2211

07/12/06 20:33:53 PWkid: I'm good I am 2/3 through a 12 pack i'm good lol

07/12/06 20:33:55 Work2Fish: wouldnt be spray , dwell, rinse , chan ching

07/12/06 20:34:02 DonPhelps: lol

07/12/06 20:34:12 DavidV: what time is good for you

07/12/06 20:34:31 BarryM: morning around 8

07/12/06 20:34:47 BarryM: its 9:30 here right now

07/12/06 20:35:02 Work2Fish: don have you ever done carts

07/12/06 20:35:02 BarryM: or evenings is fine

07/12/06 20:35:08 DavidV: ok...got break at full time job at 8

07/12/06 20:35:18 BarryM: cool

07/12/06 20:35:19 DavidV: evenings better for me

07/12/06 20:35:19 DonPhelps: me?

07/12/06 20:35:23 Work2Fish: yeah

07/12/06 20:35:33 DavidV: ill call at 8

07/12/06 20:35:43 DonPhelps: no...just not into it.

07/12/06 20:35:44 BarryM: k

07/12/06 20:35:50 Work2Fish: ok then

07/12/06 20:35:51 BarryM: gokarts?

07/12/06 20:35:55 nwingate Logs in [71.114.96.226]

07/12/06 20:35:57 Work2Fish: shopping

07/12/06 20:35:59 BarryM: joking

07/12/06 20:36:02 nwingate Logs Out

07/12/06 20:36:05 DonPhelps: Welcome Nathan!

07/12/06 20:36:16 DonPhelps: oops...he didn't stay long.

07/12/06 20:36:24 BarryM: just took a peek

07/12/06 20:36:33 DavidV: working on getting postal trucks and 6 to700 sbc trucks

07/12/06 20:36:50 BarryM: that would be sweet

07/12/06 20:37:07 mdspowerwashing Logs in [70.20.138.49]

07/12/06 20:37:07 DonPhelps queries IP of mdspowerwashing

07/12/06 20:37:08 BethnRod queries IP of mdspowerwashing

07/12/06 20:37:19 DonPhelps: Welcome MDS

07/12/06 20:37:26 BarryM: hi

07/12/06 20:37:29 DavidV: have to be able accept voyerger card for postal

07/12/06 20:37:42 BarryM: really

07/12/06 20:37:42 mdspowerwashing: thanks, glad I could be here, just got done working

07/12/06 20:37:57 Work2Fish: any body take credit cards

07/12/06 20:38:14 BarryM: no, I've looked into it

07/12/06 20:38:24 DonPhelps: just chatting now, but there is some good info from

earlier in the evening too.

07/12/06 20:38:34 BarryM: haven't found a company I trust

07/12/06 20:38:34 PWkid: I take them but not too often , just another avenue for

payment

07/12/06 20:38:35 DavidV: can approve contract locally with voyeger card

07/12/06 20:38:45 mdspowerwashing: I've taken credit card through paypal

07/12/06 20:38:49 Work2Fish: i got a wireless unit through suntrust bank i want to give

a way, i never use it

07/12/06 20:39:29 Work2Fish: is suntrust a florida bank

07/12/06 20:39:36 BarryM: Don, have you ever turned down a roof because it was just too

steep?

07/12/06 20:39:47 BethnRod: Can anyone use it?

07/12/06 20:40:20 DavidV: accept cc cards...process thru wifes business

07/12/06 20:40:21 DonPhelps: lots of them....no amount of money is worth dying over!

lol

07/12/06 20:40:38 Work2Fish: if the tower of babel was dirty theyed call don phelps :p

07/12/06 20:40:39 BethnRod: meaning, can any cc clearing house?

07/12/06 20:40:48 Work2Fish: lol

07/12/06 20:41:03 Speck_Chaser Logs in [71.81.62.127]

07/12/06 20:41:12 BarryM: just seems like the homeowner would bad mouth you after

shooting them down

07/12/06 20:41:16 DonPhelps: I've seen some guys that were so greedy that they would

attempt anything. I have my limits too

07/12/06 20:41:31 BarryM: yea

07/12/06 20:42:18 Speck_Chaser: don, i posted a couple of pics on TGS of some roofs

07/12/06 20:42:21 DonPhelps: I don't think they ever have, but if they did, i don't

care. They should respect my honesty and frankness about it rather than have someone

get hurt on their property.

07/12/06 20:42:33 Speck_Chaser: i would appreciate it if all you guys would check 'em

out

07/12/06 20:42:38 BarryM: true

07/12/06 20:43:00 DonPhelps: Thad, I'll check 'em out soon.

07/12/06 20:43:03 Speck_Chaser: no hurry

07/12/06 20:43:14 Speck_Chaser: i just want to see if i'm missing something

07/12/06 20:43:24 BarryM: why, what's wrong with em

07/12/06 20:43:31 Speck_Chaser: steep

07/12/06 20:43:35 Speck_Chaser: silly steep

07/12/06 20:43:48 Speck_Chaser: and *all* the new houses going up look like that

07/12/06 20:44:07 Speck_Chaser: there has to be a way to do 'em

07/12/06 20:44:09 DonPhelps: I posted pics from the red tile roof commercial job that I

wish i hadn't. I walk roofs that some have no business on and I don't want it to send

the wrong message to someone without experience.

07/12/06 20:44:34 Speck_Chaser: personally, i saw them and thought you were nuts

07/12/06 20:44:50 Speck_Chaser: i showed them to my wife, "look at this crazy guy!"

07/12/06 20:44:55 BarryM: You had fall equipment

07/12/06 20:45:01 DonPhelps: lol....yeah, I felt a certain silent backlash.

07/12/06 20:45:14 Speck_Chaser: lol

07/12/06 20:45:15 BarryM: I'm glad you posted them

07/12/06 20:45:44 DonPhelps: Yeah, but too many people either don't know how to use it

or won't use it.

07/12/06 20:45:49 BarryM: just put a disclaimer with them next time, don't try this at

home

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07/12/06 20:46:16 DavidV: barry...anything for wife and daughter to do if we hook up

for labor for learning

07/12/06 20:46:34 Speck_Chaser: i guess i'm just a sissy or a dreamer. I want to do

steep houses without hanging like a monkey

07/12/06 20:46:36 DonPhelps: It's one of those things where I know it's not my fault if

something happens to them, but I don't want them to just jump in because of a pic they

saw of mine.

07/12/06 20:46:38 BarryM: as far as entertainment?

07/12/06 20:46:43 DavidV: it would be there vaca

07/12/06 20:46:55 Speck_Chaser: there's nothing to do in orlando :(

07/12/06 20:47:09 BarryM: I'd have to think about that one

07/12/06 20:47:14 DonPhelps: whatever! lol

07/12/06 20:47:18 BarryM: there's just a lot of corn here

07/12/06 20:47:24 Speck_Chaser: and cows

07/12/06 20:47:24 DavidV: lol

07/12/06 20:47:31 Work2Fish > BethnRod: work well with car detailing

07/12/06 20:47:35 BarryM: moo, wash me, moo

07/12/06 20:47:40 Speck_Chaser: lol

07/12/06 20:47:44 DonPhelps: thad, you know you can't keep up with Orlando and our

'real' water!

07/12/06 20:47:57 Speck_Chaser: my wife and kids have been hammering me to move every

since we got back

07/12/06 20:48:02 Login Failure for JJ1980 [206.48.230.195]

07/12/06 20:48:06 DavidV: guess they'll be canning

07/12/06 20:48:08 JJ1980 Logs in [206.48.230.195]

07/12/06 20:48:09 Speck_Chaser: dude, your water is heinous

07/12/06 20:48:11 BarryM: She could shop

07/12/06 20:48:20 BarryM: spend your $

07/12/06 20:48:23 DavidV: right

07/12/06 20:48:26 DonPhelps: Welcome JJ!

07/12/06 20:48:27 DavidV: yep

07/12/06 20:48:31 Speck_Chaser: it's worse than Louisiana water, and that's saying

something

07/12/06 20:48:36 Speck_Chaser: howdy!

07/12/06 20:48:39 BarryM: how old is your daughter?

07/12/06 20:48:43 DavidV: 7

07/12/06 20:48:44 Work2Fish > BethnRod: i think you sould go through your bank

07/12/06 20:48:49 JJ1980: Thanks had some tbl getting here even sent u a pm

07/12/06 20:48:50 BarryM: so is mine

07/12/06 20:48:59 JJ1980: but I made it

07/12/06 20:48:59 DonPhelps: It's been contaiminated from all the pw runoff, lol

07/12/06 20:48:59 Speck_Chaser: she would hate it down there

07/12/06 20:49:04 PWkid: Hey guys thanks I gotta go.I have a commercial roof I am doing

in the am. Don thanks for hosting and spreading your knowledge

07/12/06 20:49:15 DonPhelps: contaminated

07/12/06 20:49:19 DavidV: my boys r 21 and 23

07/12/06 20:49:21 Speck_Chaser: thanks for the good info, PW!

07/12/06 20:49:29 DonPhelps: Thanks for stopping in Mel!

07/12/06 20:49:33 Speck_Chaser: it's the phosphates, right?

07/12/06 20:49:33 DavidV: c-ya pw

07/12/06 20:49:37 BarryM: my boys are 14 and 13

07/12/06 20:49:40 PWkid Logs Out

07/12/06 20:49:52 BarryM: girl 7 dog 2

07/12/06 20:50:03 JJ1980: Do I guess I have missed alot every one seem to be leaving

07/12/06 20:50:16 Speck_Chaser: i've left and come back

07/12/06 20:50:25 Speck_Chaser: seems to be winding down

07/12/06 20:50:31 BarryM: me and the wife 34 and 33

07/12/06 20:50:33 DonPhelps: You're a little late, but there's some good text to read

from earlier too.

07/12/06 20:50:39 Speck_Chaser: but there will be a transcript

07/12/06 20:50:51 JJ1980: ok , cool how do Iaccess them?

07/12/06 20:51:06 Speck_Chaser: you have to paypal don $20

07/12/06 20:51:10 Speck_Chaser: j.k

07/12/06 20:51:12 BarryM: Everything I learned about roofs David is from Mr. Phelps

07/12/06 20:51:12 DavidV: i'm 44 wife 42

07/12/06 20:51:24 BarryM: read his posts and research

07/12/06 20:51:26 DonPhelps: Beth will probably post it tomorrow. You can also scroll

up and read.

07/12/06 20:51:33 Speck_Chaser: no, you can't

07/12/06 20:51:35 DavidV: have been

07/12/06 20:51:43 Speck_Chaser: it's blank from before you log in

07/12/06 20:52:06 DavidV: all i'm doing is reading...

07/12/06 20:52:06 JJ1980: haha funny, thanks don

07/12/06 20:52:07 Speck_Chaser: or is it just me?

07/12/06 20:52:12 DonPhelps: oops, you are correct Sir!

07/12/06 20:52:20 JJ1980: it is blank

07/12/06 20:52:52 BarryM: gotta go guys, Don M is on the phone later

07/12/06 20:52:57 BarryM: call me David

07/12/06 20:52:58 Speck_Chaser: later

07/12/06 20:53:00 DonPhelps: Been a while since I've done the 'chat room' thing, sorry

for the bad info. I'm sure Beth will probably post it tomorrow.

07/12/06 20:53:04 BarryM: thanks Don

07/12/06 20:53:05 Speck_Chaser: but your name is Barry?

07/12/06 20:53:12 DonPhelps: Thanks Barry!

07/12/06 20:53:13 DavidV: sure will

07/12/06 20:53:14 JJ1980: so has their been a decision on the ultimate roof cleaning

mix?????

07/12/06 20:53:18 BethnRod: Beth will post the transcript tomorrow

07/12/06 20:53:20 DavidV: thanks alot

07/12/06 20:53:23 BarryM Logs Out

07/12/06 20:53:29 Work2Fish: well guys i got to get out of here

07/12/06 20:53:43 DonPhelps: Thanks for stopping by, Chris!

07/12/06 20:53:43 Speck_Chaser: there is no one right decision

07/12/06 20:53:46 Work2Fish: don phelps ill call you tomarrow

07/12/06 20:53:51 DonPhelps: OK

07/12/06 20:53:54 DavidV: thanks tons guys

07/12/06 20:54:01 Speck_Chaser: bye!

07/12/06 20:54:05 Work2Fish: mmmm, filet migenon

07/12/06 20:54:08 DavidV: c-ya

07/12/06 20:54:19 JJ1980: yeah I know to each his own... though I would stir some

laughter

07/12/06 20:54:25 DonPhelps: No decision, do what works for you and your customers.

07/12/06 20:54:43 Work2Fish: good night

07/12/06 20:54:50 BethnRod: g'nite

07/12/06 20:54:57 Work2Fish Logs Out

07/12/06 20:55:04 Speck_Chaser: me, too. bye again, all.

07/12/06 20:55:05 DavidV Logs Out

07/12/06 20:55:27 Speck_Chaser Logs Out

07/12/06 20:55:46 JJ1980: Well I guess I will just have to read the transcript, Thanks

anyway Don.

07/12/06 20:55:58 DonPhelps: Time to walk the doggies....i want to thank everyone that

joined us tonight. Maybe we can do it again sometime. Have a great night everyone!

:)

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07/12/06 20:56:12 mdspowerwashing: bye

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07/12/06 20:56:30 BethnRod: good nite all.

07/12/06 20:56:37 mdspowerwashing: bye

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07/12/06 21:01:50 JohnOrr: Better late than never

07/12/06 21:02:20 JohnOrr: Sorry I missed it, hope it went well.

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07/12/06 22:28:53 MikeWilliamson: Anyone still around?

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