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[Jeff 232]

GET OUT AND VOTE EVERYONE

Hey everybody hope your all out voting today, whether its for a Democrat, Republican, Librarian or whoever just vote

I know I express my opinion quite a bit, but thats all it is,. I know i say some smart stuff and yes some real dumb stuff too. I just want the best for our country

So I have to head out soon in the rain and go vote, hope you all do too

Whoever wins or loses, I hope we all win as Americans

HAVE A GREAT DAY!!!!!!!

VOTE ?????? IN 2006

[RyanH 14]

Actually...that dinner analogy is rather poor. Imagine if the HOMELESS SHELTER across the street from your project complex, after seeing the work you've done and assuming the money you made, forced you to fund a thanksgiving dinner for the shelter patrons...and not just any dinner, but one nicer than you would provide for your own family. And then didn't thank you for it, but further betrated you for the amount of money you were "allowed" to keep even after funding the dinner. Yeah, that analogy fits better.

[PressurePros 249]

Ryan for President in '08 !

[racechaser 64]

Government can't take care of all of our problems...just look at NO after Katrina. Those folks have been led to believe that the US Government is fully capable of taking care of them and will be there...the lapsed into a state of dependency and apathy, and look at what happened. Had the culture been not been told all their lives that someone else will take care of them, they wouldn't have stood around saying "When is someone going to help US out??" They would have stood up and done it themselves like the folks in FL do so often. I don't see northerners whining about being snowed in.

Ryan I wouldn't expect someone as smart as you to compare a a storm that killed 1,836 and has another 700 plus missing, most likely never to be found again, to a snow storm up north. Why don't you tell me the last snowstorm in the North that they were still finding dead bodies in homes a year later. Did the melting snow destroy 80% of homes in a major metropolitan city?

I actually had a friend die that beat the road blocks and tried rescuing people. I'm not saying this for sympathy to me, I'm telling you many of us tried to take our boats and help but the Army wouldn't let us into the city.He did and he lost his life. So maybe since the government wouldn't let us handle our own business they ARE responsible for getting these people out.

I tried to attach a simple picture it may come out,maybe not, but does that look like what Floridians typically stand up and handle themselves?

Just my rant

Scott

[John T 744]

Face it Jeff is a nice guy but in NY he would be deemed a screaming liberal just by what his messages are..The beauty of this country is that there are all types..From Extreme Conservatives all the way to the Screaming liberals. I fall into the middle with a lean towards conservatism. I agree with alot of what Ryan is saying above. Most of it makes sense to me and I've seen stuff first hand and have not just recieved my news from the media like most do.

[Jeff 232]

Patriot Act...the only place people are completely safe is in solitary confinement. Give me freedom over security anyday. I firmly believe that it is the oppression forced upon citizens by governments / ruling bodies that encourage terrorism and fear. Terrorist governments have been enjoying their free run of oppressing their populations for years...that America (so far) doesn't exhibit those qualities is a bane to them and a symbol for them to despise.

As for "right winger"...sheesh. Let me just say this: I hate Robin Hood. I hate the character and all he stands for. I've always despised the story and even in school I never understood why teachers were forcing it upon us. Now I know.

Jeff...why do you take it personally when I use the word "dumb?" I never attacked you personally. When I say dumb, I meant the people I DID attack...those who think there are such things as "free lunches," those who think that you can actually tax a corporation, those who think that the poor are victims of the rich. Nobody has yet to defend those positions, yet I can think of numerous ways to destroy all of them. So my use of "dumb," while you may think it is egotistical, is accurate. I didn't say that only "smart" people should vote, I just said that if we were to consider 100% of people's inputs and opinions, we would become a mob state.

As for president 2008...I wish we could get past the normal crap. I'm tired of hearing "health plan" and such. You know what...I don't have a problem affording health care. I have a job that pays for it...the value I provide to my company is high enough that they feel it is worth their while to make sure I am healthy, and they offer it as a benefit to keep me. I don't think it is the governments responsibility (err...taxpayers' responsibilities) to fund full-time health care for those who choose not to get it. Instead of giving citizens things to just fix their needs, how about building them up to be self-sufficient? Government is quick to take care of people's needs, but never to improve sufficiency. Welfare? I'm all for it on a limited-time basis. But don't make it a lifestyle. Government can't take care of all of our problems...just look at NO after Katrina. Those folks have been led to believe that the US Government is fully capable of taking care of them and will be there...the lapsed into a state of dependency and apathy, and look at what happened. Had the culture been not been told all their lives that someone else will take care of them, they wouldn't have stood around saying "When is someone going to help US out??" They would have stood up and done it themselves like the folks in FL do so often. I don't see northerners whining about being snowed in.

Insurance too high? Stop making it a law to cover every possible need. Our society abuses insurance and the medical system. My colleagues here from europe constanly compliment the quality and abundance of medical care in the states...their socialist system is slowly failing them year by year.

Drug war...we've lost it. Put the money into rehab hospitals and stop using 4 officers to tackle some teenager with a little pot in his pocket. Treat drugs like alcohol.

Abortion...face it, California and GA will NEVER agree eye to eye. So stop fretting about abortion and let each state worry about it.

Gay marriage...call it a union if you'd like. Give them the same tax advantages as hetero couples. Let the "marriage" be performed in a church and recognize it as that...let the "legal union" be performed in a court house and similarly recognized.

Taxes... no more "progressive" taxes. No more graduated taxes. Fair Tax. No more "from each according to his ability to each according to his need."

Foreign policy...stop feeding half the continent of Africa while ignoring issues at home. Work to make our country more self-sufficient. We are slowly becoming a world-dependent country. If I were to name items I use every day, I can't compile a complete list of things I use everyday that can be made entirely in America. Eventually China will control the purse strings of the oil companies, and we'll be sitting around going "what happened."

Bush promised ONE thing when he came into office...no more inheritance taxes. They still exist. Not as high as they were, but they are still there.

Clinton did ONE good thing in office...Line Item Veto. Wonderful (seriously, not sarcastic).

Think before you label anyone "right" or "left" or believe that I am intending these descriptions to be applied to you specifically. Jeff, I know you are a smart person...the success of your business is evidence of that. But if the people in the apartments you clean wanted to host a thanksgiving dinner, and told the apartment manager that you should fund it because of all the money they have paid you for your services, do you think that would be right? You may "want" to do it, but is it okay for the manager to reserve a portion of the pre-agreed upon funds for you to pay for the meal without your consent? I doubt you'd agree to that.

Ryan, I didnt think you were calling me dumb, I just stepped in because

On health care, you get it but what if you didnt. Theres many that used to get it but because of high health care cost, corp greed and the bottom line many companies dropped it.

I hope the one thing the Dems do is pass law where we can negotiate price with drug companies. When Bush passed law saying we couldnt negotiate I was amazed, but I really wasnt

The reason I stand up for the dumb people is that is what your suppose to do. fight for the people who cant or dont. Its like your only as strong as your weakest link. We support the world why not help our own more

I dont like the scum bags that use the system, the person who rather take from the goverment & us just so they dont have to work or they want to get high. But I think they are no different than the big cooperations that get corp walfare or the politician who will say or do anything to get elected or who will pass a bill just because they get free trips or bribes

Who's better the dumb scum bag that takes money from the gov & us or the smart scum bag who takes money from us & the gov

Ryan, you are smart, but just because you are set in your beliefs, doesnt make them all right and that goes for me too, I know that, do you buddy?

[RyanH 14]

On health care, you get it but what if you didnt. Theres many that used to get it but because of high health care cost, corp greed and the bottom line many companies dropped it.

I hope the one thing the Dems do is pass law where we can negotiate price with drug companies. When Bush passed law saying we couldnt negotiate I was amazed, but I really wasnt

Excellent point. Here is the problem I see with healthcare...for too long recipients have been using and abusing it. I know many folks who visit the doctor everytime their nose runs. Doctors charge for this, insurance companies pay it, realize the next year that they lost money, and bump up the coverage fees. This happens year after year and that's why we are where we are now. Every year my company needs to re-evaluate the insurance, and the cost is a significant portion of our benefits. If the government DID step in, here is what I propose...

Allow people to "pick and choose" their coverage. I would LOVE to have the option of buying into an insurance plan that covered EMERGENCIES for me. If I were to break my leg, get in a wreck and become injured, etc., then give me treatment. If I have an aneurism or require stitches, give me treatment. But don't give me coverage for regular doctors visits, unless actuarialist studies show that statistically it is beneficial for me (prevention vs. cure idea). When my wife and I "have fun," we know there is a risk for pregnancy. If we choose to start a family, we should provide for the cost of childbirth just like we would have to prepare to pay for adoption. Insurance shouldn't cover that, unless there are onforseen consequences. Basically, encourage hospitals to establish "base costs" for various operations. Then, individuals can shop around based upon cost and treatment options (just like we do with our services now). If I develop some condition that will require a lifelong prescription for medication, then I should adjust my lifestyle to adjust...insurance should not cover that for the rest of my life. In this case, your idea of negotiating for drug prices makes sense. My medical plan used to require me to first visit a primary care physician, then have him refer me to a specialist. I called up the company and argued with them for awhile about this...I had an ingrown toenail, knew a podiatrist would be required to both remove it and kill the root so it would never return. It'd be a one-stop shop, never needed again. I FINALLY made them understand that it would be cheaper to just go to one doctor and get it done rather than two. Later I moved to a PPO and was able to pick and choose, but it now costs me more out of pocket to do this.

Glasses, contacts, etc. shouldn't be covered by insurance. If I get a metal shard in my eye while grinding down some steel, THEN I'd expect it. But only if it penetrated my OSHA-approved safety shields :D

But what I don't want is a government that tells people "Don't worry...whatever happens to you, your government will be there for you. We will protect you." I want adults to act like adults, to be responsible, and to take care of themselves.

I wasn't comparing NO and northerners in magnitude of destruction, I was comparing the mentality. Here's a better example: 9/11. When hell hit downtown that day, I didn't see a bunch of people sitting around and wondering when the gubment was going to step in and take care of them. I saw people helping people, I saw LOCAL authorities jumping up to do what they do best, I saw individual citizens taking charge and getting things accomplished. The people in NY had tremendous courage and integrity that day...the people in NO succumbed totally to a victimized mentality. A hurricane hit them, and they wanted to blame the government for not having everything in place to take care of them. For the ones who did take charge and try to help out, my condolences for any loss you may have experienced and appreciation for your actions...you acted like true Americans. What party would carry the mantra "Americans for a stronger America?" That's the party I want to support.

[RyanH 14]

Ryan for President in '08 !

Too young. Besides, I wouldn't tolerate much crap from the beaurocrats and wouldn't be very popular in either party. I told my wife I'd probably end up like Kennedy (the former President, not the drunk, the bad pilot, the killer, nor the drunk). If I didn't enjoy my job so much, I'd consider running for something. If only deciding how to spend everyone else's money on things they didn't want didn't require a full-time dedication....

[Jeff 232]

Excellent point. Here is the problem I see with healthcare...for too long recipients have been using and abusing it. I know many folks who visit the doctor everytime their nose runs. Doctors charge for this, insurance companies pay it, realize the next year that they lost money, and bump up the coverage fees. This happens year after year and that's why we are where we are now. Every year my company needs to re-evaluate the insurance, and the cost is a significant portion of our benefits. If the government DID step in, here is what I propose...

Allow people to "pick and choose" their coverage. I would LOVE to have the option of buying into an insurance plan that covered EMERGENCIES for me. If I were to break my leg, get in a wreck and become injured, etc., then give me treatment. If I have an aneurism or require stitches, give me treatment. But don't give me coverage for regular doctors visits, unless actuarialist studies show that statistically it is beneficial for me (prevention vs. cure idea). When my wife and I "have fun," we know there is a risk for pregnancy. If we choose to start a family, we should provide for the cost of childbirth just like we would have to prepare to pay for adoption. Insurance shouldn't cover that, unless there are onforseen consequences. Basically, encourage hospitals to establish "base costs" for various operations. Then, individuals can shop around based upon cost and treatment options (just like we do with our services now). If I develop some condition that will require a lifelong prescription for medication, then I should adjust my lifestyle to adjust...insurance should not cover that for the rest of my life. In this case, your idea of negotiating for drug prices makes sense. My medical plan used to require me to first visit a primary care physician, then have him refer me to a specialist. I called up the company and argued with them for awhile about this...I had an ingrown toenail, knew a podiatrist would be required to both remove it and kill the root so it would never return. It'd be a one-stop shop, never needed again. I FINALLY made them understand that it would be cheaper to just go to one doctor and get it done rather than two. Later I moved to a PPO and was able to pick and choose, but it now costs me more out of pocket to do this.

Glasses, contacts, etc. shouldn't be covered by insurance. If I get a metal shard in my eye while grinding down some steel, THEN I'd expect it. But only if it penetrated my OSHA-approved safety shields :D

But what I don't want is a government that tells people "Don't worry...whatever happens to you, your government will be there for you. We will protect you." I want adults to act like adults, to be responsible, and to take care of themselves.

Why as Americans do we always have to settle for less nowadays, less health care. Pay for your own pregnancy, dont pay doctors visits why.

Ryan really man God help you if something goes wrong in your life or lose your job and cant find another one. Health issue knocks you and your wife down and you lose everything, you have no one like family to help you. No matter how smart you are , s--t happens. You may not be able to pay your mortgage, or health bills, you have to go rent but you dont make enough to pay rent & health bills anymore and you cant afford that drug that may save your life. A lot of what you say comes across as cold hearted , I wonder if you ever had to struggle in your life. I know you'll say if you cant provide for yourself than thats on you. Wait till it happens and lets see what you'll do. When a doctor says, your wife or kid will die without this operation or medicine and he says to you , you cant pay for it, but theres a state/federal program that will pay for it. Are you not going to take the help are you above that.

I wonder if you would be different if you were born into poverty, say in Mississippi, with bad schools, with non union teachers. The only job was working the fields the local McDonalds or the local mill.

I know these are just a liberals sob stories but the truth is it happens everyday, there is not enough good jobs, education, for all americans to be like you, so do we just say the hell with the less fortunate. Careful it could be you someday

Its almost like this lawyer I knew. He used to say this guy I knew was a stupid low life peice of s--t crack head. But the lawyer used to snort coke every thursday, Friday & Saturday night for years. The crack head ended up in jail and finally went straight several years ago. As far as I know the well off educated lawyer is still doing coke years after the crack head went straight. But because he was smart and well off, everubody else was a peice of s---. He's no better than anyone else

I dont know why I go on and on, but thats me. :banana:

[Jeff 232]

Too young. Besides, I wouldn't tolerate much crap from the beaurocrats and wouldn't be very popular in either party. I told my wife I'd probably end up like Kennedy (the former President, not the drunk, the bad pilot, the killer, nor the drunk). If I didn't enjoy my job so much, I'd consider running for something. If only deciding how to spend everyone else's money on things they didn't want didn't require a full-time dedication....

Ryan, you couldnt run for office someone might be keeping all your radical postings (did I say radical) Well when you run for office they'll let the liberal media have them and the the liberal democrats will do dirty politics and twist your words to make you look to radical and all the voting lowlife dummies will vote against you. LOL Im only kidding. Careful the CIA/Big Brother could be reading everything we write. OH crap, I'm in trouble now.

Will you guys stop posting, I cant stop replying, its a sickness. I'm going to sue Al Gore the inventor of the internet. I'll get millions of $$$$ for internet addiction or at least maybe I can get Social Security Disability LOL

[RyanH 14]

Ryan, you couldnt run for office someone might be keeping all your radical postings (did I say radical) Well when you run for office they'll let the liberal media have them and the the liberal democrats will do dirty politics and twist your words to make you look to radical and all the voting lowlife dummies will vote against you.

Let 'em put my words in the media. I can defend everything I've said and have nothing to hide :lgbounces

[RyanH 14]

I know these are just a liberals sob stories but the truth is it happens everyday, there is not enough good jobs, education, for all americans to be like you, so do we just say the hell with the less fortunate. Careful it could be you someday

There is a reason economics is called the dismal science. You can't harvest a field on desire alone, at some point you need tangible action to acheive a goal. Similarly, just because people "need" things, doesn't necessarily mean that they will be readily available. I said I have nothing against temporary help and assistance...I've paid enough into the system that I sure as hell would want to get some of it back (and I can say BACK because I've actually paid it already!!). But if something happened that required a lifestyle change, I would change my lifestyle so I can accomodate my family's needs. I can sell my house, downgrade, sell one of the cars, drop cable, cell if necessary, etc. There are many things in my life that I don't "need." My point is that government / insurance should not be in the business of continued sustenance, because the funds come from some other source...namely other taxpayers or plan members. What you say is cold is reality. You can't ask the majority to live on the efforts of the minority. For that I reference this little "inconvenient truth:" Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of Income Taxes.

Check out this graph: http://www.allegromedia.com/sugi/taxes/#Head-1.htm

Notice the area below the 40% income margin? Notice that the tax paid is NEGATIVE? In reality, that means this bracket is receiving money FROM the government...rather, FROM those ABOVE the 40% bracket. Okay, so maybe not technically a majority as far as population goes, but the point is the same: we have become a culture that recognizes that they can be cared for by our government, and they never make the connection that the government needs to take the money from others to pay it. If you go to what I said a few days back, money is a symbol of one's acheivement and time spent at a task, and what really irks me is these SOBs believe they are ENTITLED to my time and my life and my dedication to their preservation. I can give voluntarily and gladly do, for my own reasons, but I sure as silk don't believe I should be forced to. But alas, sorry for contributing to your sickness and continuing this thread. I need to go and be productive instead of eating up bandwith here. Time to follow my signature and contribute something to this site....

[Jeff 232]

There is a reason economics is called the dismal science. You can't harvest a field on desire alone, at some point you need tangible action to acheive a goal. Similarly, just because people "need" things, doesn't necessarily mean that they will be readily available. I said I have nothing against temporary help and assistance...I've paid enough into the system that I sure as hell would want to get some of it back (and I can say BACK because I've actually paid it already!!). But if something happened that required a lifestyle change, I would change my lifestyle so I can accomodate my family's needs. I can sell my house, downgrade, sell one of the cars, drop cable, cell if necessary, etc. There are many things in my life that I don't "need." My point is that government / insurance should not be in the business of continued sustenance, because the funds come from some other source...namely other taxpayers or plan members. What you say is cold is reality. You can't ask the majority to live on the efforts of the minority. For that I reference this little "inconvenient truth:" Top 50% of Wage Earners Pay 96.03% of Income Taxes.

Check out this graph: http://www.allegromedia.com/sugi/taxes/#Head-1.htm

Notice the area below the 40% income margin? Notice that the tax paid is NEGATIVE? In reality, that means this bracket is receiving money FROM the government...rather, FROM those ABOVE the 40% bracket. Okay, so maybe not technically a majority as far as population goes, but the point is the same: we have become a culture that recognizes that they can be cared for by our government, and they never make the connection that the government needs to take the money from others to pay it. If you go to what I said a few days back, money is a symbol of one's acheivement and time spent at a task, and what really irks me is these SOBs believe they are ENTITLED to my time and my life and my dedication to their preservation. I can give voluntarily and gladly do, for my own reasons, but I sure as silk don't believe I should be forced to. But alas, sorry for contributing to your sickness and continuing this thread. I need to go and be productive instead of eating up bandwith here. Time to follow my signature and contribute something to this site....

I hear you , I think we've beat this enough. Have a great one Ryan!!

[John T 744]

Yea my head spun off. I'm done hear.Good job on the honest thoughts. OK I'm so done here:)