dfox99 14 Report post Posted June 26, 2003 I am going to wash a wood sided house with EFC-38 and would really like to be able to do it with an xjet instead of a pump up or my Deckster. Is this possible? If so what would the mix be like as far as proportions? Thanks. Doug Fox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 dk34 14 Report post Posted June 26, 2003 The x-jet, depending on your gpm of your machine, adds roughly 2 parts water to the cleaners as it is applied(without a proportioner). So if you wanted the same strength that you use from your pump up, you would have to make it twice as strong to achieve the same net dilution. You can adjust your strength of your concentrate from there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 ron p 500 Report post Posted June 26, 2003 this will depend on a couple of thing's. First diffrent GPM wash unit's use diffent sized x-jet's. The more GPM the less the draw rate. You will need to test your's to get the draw rate. A 4 GPM will get a 50% draw rate and a 5 GPM will get a 33% draw rate. Second thing is how strong do you need the cleaner to be? 2 cup's can make 5 gal's of heavy duty or 10 gal of light duty. personaly i like the dekster idea better. I have a shur-flo and hand cart set-up. My helper spray's on the EFC-38 as im setting up. Then i start washing. As he get's done and im cleaning he mix's and applies the brightner and we finnish at the same time[or close]. Then we pack-up and wait for it to dry. Sometimes i'll use the x-jet to apply the gutter cleaner when the cedar is wet with the EFC-38 and wash everything at one time. Hope this help's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 dfox99 14 Report post Posted June 26, 2003 Thanks that helps alot. Ron I have been impressed by all of your information on the different boards I've read over the past 3 or 4 months in starting this biz and really want to thank you and all the other selfless people who contribute. I wish I could come wash with you for a day or 2...NJ is closer to me than TN... I really haven't used my Deckster yet except to spray a little water. I'm not sure if it has the reach I need without climbing up a ladder, that's why I wondered about the xjet. Do you use the Hang Time (not sure if that is the right name) when you do vertical surfaces like that? Also, the house I am doing has been maintained with proper staining on a regular basis. If I am just going to wash it in prep for resealing, will I need to brighten too? Is there a need to balance the PH with the EFC-38 like the HD 80? Doug Fox Upstate NY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 reed 500 Report post Posted June 27, 2003 Ron, I hired a 20 year old kid and do the same. He had that deckster tuned in in no time and really can handle it well. He gets started and keeps it wet till dwell time is met and off he goes and I follow.. The cone tip on the deckster can shoot pretty far. I converted my deckster to electric from battery last year and love it now. Hate it when I HAVE to use the pump ups. Doug, Brightening after efc 38 is suggested, do you have to, according to the man who invented it, not really. It will brighten on it's own but not as fast as with citralic or oxallic. Most will brighten with citrallic or oxallic that is the more common practice. You will get much better results following the efc38 with a brightener. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 ron p 500 Report post Posted June 27, 2003 I brighten everything. With my $100 set up and a 72 inc lance or xtenda-wand i can apply chem at 100% up to 30 ft or more. One other thing a lot of contractor's dont/wont do. Buy a cheapo wash unit and hook it up to your chem tank. Rinse when done. The pump's cost about the same as a shur-flo and can last a season. Housewash mix's/efc38/citric acid/soap all can be appled at 100% and 1500 psi. No bucket's to carry around and the time you save is well worth the pump cost's. No one talk's about ROLLER PUMP'S either. A ROLLER PUMP can make the biggest diffrence in your buissness other then more GPM then any other piece of equipment in your truck[well maybe a surface cleaner]. Im looking into this right now. Im going to talk to the local lawn fert. guy this week. I want more PSI then GPM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 ron p 500 Report post Posted June 27, 2003 Beth or Russ What would happen if i mixed citrolic in with the efc38 and tried to skip a step? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Howard 50 Report post Posted June 27, 2003 Now thats a question I am interested in as well. How about it Beth, Russ can we do that and still get the same results? Also any luck with the deck in a day test with wood tux? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted June 27, 2003 So far, Wood Tux is holding up well, but we're not done testing. :) I'll ask Russ about mixing the two. Beth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Dan B 14 Report post Posted July 13, 2003 ok can someone tell me what a deckster is ? thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 reed 500 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Dan, you can see one at www.sunbritedecks.com Look in the sunbrite store link. Reed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Dan B 14 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 are you useing them to apply your sealer ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Greg Rentschler 14 Report post Posted July 15, 2003 You cannot mix an alkaline and an acid (EFC-38 and citraulic) as their chemistry will neutralize each other out rendering both ineffective. This especially applies to a high alkaline stripper and is a big no-no... as a chemical reaction will occur and you could potentially get hurt. It's kinda like dropping cold water into a deep fryer :) Take Care, Greg Rentschler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted July 15, 2003 I think he is looking for an all in one product. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 reed 500 Report post Posted July 15, 2003 Dan, I use the deckster to apply sealer only if there is NO wind. As with any spraying of sealer. The deckster is great for applying stripper and brightner. Reed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 ron p 500 Report post Posted July 15, 2003 Greg, i thought the same as you untill i tried mixing HF with my sod. hyd. detergent. I thought one would nuet the other. It will but it take's time. I have mixed the two to make a buffered acid to wash polished alum and it work's. Can only mix enuff to wash a couple of truck's. this is why i asked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Guest rfitz Report post Posted September 15, 2003 I started doing this back in april, so I could Xjet, my cleaners, what I do. is I mix EFC 38, 70% of full strength add HD80 at 30% strength, mix together Xjet a 1000 sq ft deck in about 10 minutes and wash, results are awesome, I only apply Oxalic or citrolic if the deck needs it, most in full sun, dont need it, by the time you get back to stain it, the deck will be real light, Ive tested both ways, and didnt see a huge difference with britening, on most decks, especially if I am using the darker brown stains, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 jhawk 14 Report post Posted December 24, 2003 Reed, is the Deckster much more then a Shurflow pump with battery mounted on a cart? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 dfox99 14 Report post Posted December 24, 2003 jhawk, it has a regulator on it to adjust pressure, along with a pressure gauge, all the necessary plumbing for supply and separate return, quick connect for hose. It is expensive but does work well. I ran HD 80 at full strength through it and had to replace pump parts the first time out! Sunbrite said to use their stripper...EFC 38 and other chems work well. It doesn't do well with thicker full colored stains (like gray). I haven't used it much as I don't do much wood but am glad when I do as pump-ups on a deck is self defeating especially when the sun is shinning. Doug Fox Upstate NY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I am going to wash a wood sided house with EFC-38 and would really like to be able to do it with an xjet instead of a pump up or my Deckster. Is this possible? If so what would the mix be like as far as proportions? Thanks.
Doug Fox
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