Spam or No Spam

[Tegrey 121]

I believe the Hyde post and the Stencils post are Spam. What do you think? Who exactly owns stencils and where are they made? There has to be at least 100 posts on stencils and they really serve no purpose for educating a contractor. After all, are we here to learn or make someone else a profit? Just my 2 cents. Thank you.

[Celeste 341]

Stencil threads are obviously not spam.

I would have to agree. The ***** just handed out a 16 state commercial job that involved stenciling the store front sidewalks!!

[Ron Musgraves 240]

Terry,

You need open and expand your horizon on today’s marketing. Stencils are a great idea and many guys here use them.

I have testimony from customers saying they are even a great tool for them to show the quality difference in what they are getting and the promise my company makes to keep the service and quality high.

Stencils are playing a small part on the evolution of pressure washing. It’s also eliminating hacks; I’m not saying you’re a hack but I believe only hacks would be afraid of them.

Next: I’m certain someone is making money on them. Don’t you make money on the painting homes? Every person here is making money, the sponsor of this BBS want to make sales to guys like you.

You seem little negative towards many things I promote and do, you don’t know me but I wonder why you make every attempt to discredit me and my company. It’s truly getting old Terry, I have extending my friendship to you many times. I have given you chance after chance to realize I only stand for this industry to move in a forward motion.

I’m here to stay Terry, so you know if you don’t I have been in business for 25years. I run a very serious operation. We are expecting 25 to 35% growth this year. I hate to tell you that 20% of that growth is related to stencils.

I share documentation with others in the industry to help them. This has been my track record, www.prerssurewashinginstitute.com & Ron ********** have educated more contractors to date than any other institution. *** runs at the cost of my company. It’s free Terry, you’re welcome there anytime you like. I don’t have to like people for them to come and share the info.

Last question Terry, your negative posts I feel are everyplace. Maybe instead of worrying about me and what I do maybe you should share some of your ideas and knowledge you have. I have to be honest Terry my record is a positive one. Yours is somewhat negative and I’m tired of it. I challenge you to a positive thread contest. Try and make positive threads and stop the negative ones.

www.propowerwash.com is my company, it my business and I love doing what I do.

www.nationalcleaningexpo.com is one of my other companies and is a paid sponsor of this BBS.

*** is a friend to the TGS and always has been. I hold Beth & Rod up high on a pedestal for helping the industry and building a wonderful place that Wood guys can gain vast information of Knowledge. TGS ahs also advanced the industry ten fold over the years.

[Tegrey 121]

I believe the Hyde post and the Stencils post are Spam. What do you think? Who exactly owns stencils and where are they made? There has to be at least 100 posts on stencils and they really serve no purpose for educating a contractor. After all, are we here to learn or make someone else a profit?

I'll repeat my post. I'd like to know the answer. If you own stencils or are affiliated Ron and you post many posts about them, why wouldn't it be spam? Of course If I sold a product, I would sell my products and promote my business also. Only I do it as a professional. I would not use other sites and others money to make me rich. If you feel using the GS, *****, PT, etc. to promote all your personal gains and they have no qualms, so be it. I have no negativivism against you, only the way you use everyone to promote YOU. All we see is post about ***, photos about your business and hear about how much money you make and how much you help everyone. If that is the case, why don't you start an organization for promoting PWers and help them grow their businesses. By making various random post, about you and *** doesn't help anyone except RON. Maybe take some of the huge profit you are making and donate to the ***** or some other org to help PWers. Holding a RT doesn't make anyone knowledgable or professional. I'm not here to discredit you or your business. I'd just like to see some positive post from you about someone else. A slight comment is not a post. Self promotion is not always a positive thing. When is the last time you posted about someone elses projects or their businesses? I mean someone you are not affiliated with. When have you actually posted a comment to help a contractor get through a tough project or a business problem, without asking them to come over to *** for help. I could dig too many times this has happened. It is wonderful that you have been in business for 25years, expecting a growth this year of 25-35% and make 20% of it related to stencils. Isn't this spam? I believe it is and I believe most of what you post on everyone elses site is also. Face it Ron, you have developed a business mentallity of usilizing everyone for your purposes. Isn't that why you are not involved in some RT? We all hear the storys and know what you represent. I also like how you have added *** to your last post. Maybe another sales pitch for our readers? Ron, If you truly want to help the PWing Industry, how about being about others for awhile? Make a post from time to time about actually answering a question and solving a contractors problem. Not asking them to buy your products and ideas. Again, I have nothing personal in this venture we are taking, only equality for others. Spam is Spam. Be reaL and run ads like other companys do and start a real help PWer campaign. Donate a few bucks to other orgs or volunteer some actual time to helping others instead of re directing them to RON's place. Some day we should sit down and talk about our ideas together. Maybe we will both learn something. I wish you the best. Thank you.

[Ron Musgraves 240]

I believe the Hyde post and the Stencils post are Spam. What do you think? Who exactly owns stencils and where are they made? There has to be at least 100 posts on stencils and they really serve no purpose for educating a contractor. After all, are we here to learn or make someone else a profit?

I'll repeat my post. I'd like to know the answer. If you own stencils or are affiliated Ron and you post many posts about them, why wouldn't it be spam? Of course If I sold a product, I would sell my products and promote my business also. Only I do it as a professional. I would not use other sites and others money to make me rich. If you feel using the GS, *****, PT, etc. to promote all your personal gains and they have no qualms, so be it. I have no negativivism against you, only the way you use everyone to promote YOU. All we see is post about ***, photos about your business and hear about how much money you make and how much you help everyone. If that is the case, why don't you start an organization for promoting PWers and help them grow their businesses. By making various random post, about you and *** doesn't help anyone except RON. Maybe take some of the huge profit you are making and donate to the ***** or some other org to help PWers. Holding a RT doesn't make anyone knowledgable or professional. I'm not here to discredit you or your business. I'd just like to see some positive post from you about someone else. A slight comment is not a post. Self promotion is not always a positive thing. When is the last time you posted about someone elses projects or their businesses? I mean someone you are not affiliated with. When have you actually posted a comment to help a contractor get through a tough project or a business problem, without asking them to come over to *** for help. I could dig too many times this has happened. It is wonderful that you have been in business for 25years, expecting a growth this year of 25-35% and make 20% of it related to stencils. Isn't this spam? I believe it is and I believe most of what you post on everyone elses site is also. Face it Ron, you have developed a business mentallity of usilizing everyone for your purposes. Isn't that why you are not involved in some RT? We all hear the storys and know what you represent. I also like how you have added *** to your last post. Maybe another sales pitch for our readers? Ron, If you truly want to help the PWing Industry, how about being about others for awhile? Make a post from time to time about actually answering a question and solving a contractors problem. Not asking them to buy your products and ideas. Again, I have nothing personal in this venture we are taking, only equality for others. Spam is Spam. Be reaL and run ads like other companys do and start a real help PWer campaign. Donate a few bucks to other orgs or volunteer some actual time to helping others instead of re directing them to RON's place. Some day we should sit down and talk about our ideas together. Maybe we will both learn something. I wish you the best. Thank you.

Terry if NCE didnt have meeting the ***** might not have as many members. This next week in WI I'm sure Mike K will sign up a few.

I'm also a member, have been longer than you. I was a ***** since Robert H founded it.

I challenge you to your offer of posting and helping. So why dont you practice what you preach. Start some educational thread Terry and share a few of your secrets.

*** & TGS have helped way more people to date than any other forms of education on the web for pressure washing.

Beth & Rod set the standards for BBS.

I believe the Hyde post and the Stencils post are Spam. What do you think? Who exactly owns stencils and where are they made? There has to be at least 100 posts on stencils and they really serve no purpose for educating a contractor. After all, are we here to learn or make someone else a profit?

Many guys have bought them at different places all over the world. The best so far are the ones made in Vegas by a machine shop.

To my Knowledge no one in my org owns a stencil making machine.

Terry, landed 13 centers at nearly a 1/4 million in annual sales this week.

My marketing is different than yours.

Your remarks that *** only helps Ron is False, its helped 1000's of people. Its even helped you and you dont even know it.

We all hear the storys and know what you represent.

I wish I could hear the storys, could you please elaborate.

Why would you know if I have donated or not? How much have you since you know how much I have. That seems alittle messed up...how would you know this information? OPPSSS

Edited June 13, 2009 by Ron Musgraves

[Tegrey 121]

Ron, Thank you for the response. Your business is your business. It is not my business. Again, I have nothing personal to say. I just get tired of seeing your 1 line posts that lead folks from every site you visit to ***. I also get tired of seeing photos a year old telling how good a past RT was and how you made it work. This is where we don't see eye to eye. I have nothing personal to gain from my posts I present. I represent my self and look for no monatary gain from anyone. I don't sell products and use others for personal gain. Here is where we differ. If you made $250,000 last week in selling signs, you are doing better at selling then any PWer I have heard of posting on any boards I know of. That pretty much takes you out of our league? I know I don't make $250,000 in PWing and probably never will. That is awsome! Thank you.

[Ron Musgraves 240]

Ron, Thank you for the response. Your business is your business. It is not my business. Again, I have nothing personal to say. I just get tired of seeing your 1 line posts that lead folks from every site you visit to ***. I also get tired of seeing photos a year old telling how good a past RT was and how you made it work. This is where we don't see eye to eye. I have nothing personal to gain from my posts I present. I represent my self and look for no monatary gain from anyone. I don't sell products and use others for personal gain. Here is where we differ. If you made $250,000 last week in selling signs, you are doing better at selling then any PWer I have heard of posting on any boards I know of. That pretty much takes you out of our league? I know I don't make $250,000 in PWing and probably never will. That is awsome! Thank you.

Your back tracking Terry, I want to hear the so called Storys. These are the same storys that divide the industry. These are the storys about individuals that hurt people and do nothing to help. Please stop spreading storys about me Terry. I'm frankly tired or your behind the scenes gossip.

When your ready to name the people with the storys please call me. Maybe we could work out a book deal and make a fiction movie.

If you opened your eyes you would see people are using Stencils successfully. Many contractors around the country.

Carlos just said 16 locations found from stencil related. Do you not read your own posts.

enough is enough, this is why I to now have not engaged in your drama. You only see what you want, you narrow minded and all here see it.

See you at the ***** convention in OCT,

Food for thought Terry, instead of treating me poorly please just leave me and my business alone. I help people selflessly and all here know that.

I also make money, that what we all do. My ten year track record here shows that. You do what you want but please stay away from me unless you can be positive.

Thanks Terry , i will be waiting for the he said she said you know!!!

[Ron Musgraves 240]

I apoligize to the community for ranting, it just frustrating.

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

I see both points of view here, and all I'm going to say is this thread needs to remain calm and professional. That's the bottom line.

Have a great evening....I for one am disconnecting. Bye!

Beth

[Tegrey 121]

Ron,

No back track here. As I said nothing personal. I don't spread rumors and I won't talk about you personally. I will never say anything behind anyones back I wouldn't say to their face. I am as professional as I can be and we will leave the small talk out of the posts. I will be happy to support the workers and givers and leave the rest alone. We both differ in business and how we feel about helping others. I will try not to post any questionable ideas about your future posts. After all they are yours and you deserve the right to post what you want. Thank you.

[RPetry 564]

Ron,

No back track here. As I said nothing personal. I don't spread rumors and I won't talk about you personally. I will never say anything behind anyones back I wouldn't say to their face. I am as professional as I can be and we will leave the small talk out of the posts. I will be happy to support the workers and givers and leave the rest alone. We both differ in business and how we feel about helping others. I will try not to post any questionable ideas about your future posts. After all they are yours and you deserve the right to post what you want. Thank you.

+10

Terry,

You have been officially nominated to the Board of Directors of the *****. No matter what Ron said.

We need wood representation. You are it!

And you are welcome. Hah!

[Ron Musgraves 240]

+10

Terry,

You have been officially nominated to the Board of Directors of the *****. No matter what Ron said.

We need wood representation. You are it!

And you are welcome. Hah!

Thats Funny Rick, you ever get to see your buddy in Az give me a call no matter what. LOL

[Ron Musgraves 240]

Ron,

No back track here. As I said nothing personal. I don't spread rumors and I won't talk about you personally. I will never say anything behind anyones back I wouldn't say to their face. I am as professional as I can be and we will leave the small talk out of the posts. I will be happy to support the workers and givers and leave the rest alone. We both differ in business and how we feel about helping others. I will try not to post any questionable ideas about your future posts. After all they are yours and you deserve the right to post what you want. Thank you.

Thanks for clarification.

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

I hate spam. I have been known to blow a blatant spammer out of the database so fast it would make your head spin....

.....back to my coffee..... :cup:

Beth

[RPetry 564]

Thats Funny Rick, you ever get to see your buddy in Az give me a call no matter what. LOL

Ron,

If I ever get out to northern Arizona, I will certainly call and visit if you are available. Would like to travel further west and visit Jake Clark in the Sierra's for a few days.

Maybe I'll catch up with you in Orlando this October. Problem is we are still usually working wood until the end of the month or even into early November.

[Ron Musgraves 240]

Ron,

If I ever get out to northern Arizona, I will certainly call and visit if you are available. Would like to travel further west and visit Jake Clark in the Sierra's for a few days.

Maybe I'll catch up with you in Orlando this October. Problem is we are still usually working wood until the end of the month or even into early November.

I'll be there, likely in my self promo booth.LOL

Ron ********** booth, it will be huge...

Seriously look forward to seeing you Rick, your a guy I would like to meet.

I have talked with Mark recently about doing a wood project so wood will be in my future since I own one now.

Back to Subject, Beth you do a great job keeping Spamers out. Thanks

I think people who ad spam to bbs should be out.

Edited June 14, 2009 by Ron Musgraves

[Scott Stone 604]

It will need to be, to fit your self serving head...:rolleyes:

[Ron Musgraves 240]

It will need to be, to fit your self serving head...:rolleyes:

Oh it will be big!!!!

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

I am sooooooooo sick of spammers! I just banned another one! Blew him right out of the database! It gets on my nerves when these one line posts direct traffic to another site. I don't give a cr*p if it is for viagra, phone service, or what.....

I hate waking up to spam in the morning. It's like not having milk for my coffee! :cup:

Beth

[RPetry 564]

I like spammers. They are the only ones thoughtful enough to send me emails! Between the appendage enlargement, youth prescriptions, and Nigerian attorneys willing to give me millions, I feel like a 16 yr. old with a ton of dough.

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

You're a trouble maker you are.... :lol:

Beth