Wood guys in MN might want to read what Pollution control wants them doing!!

[Ron Musgraves 240]

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This was a Card sent to PW , painter from Pollution control dept. Same type of folks in Houston, enforcement devision for offenders.

I'm sharing this not to cause a riot, its just awareness. Frankly I'm tired of ridiculous confusion by our industry leaders and Contractors alike.

A couple people in MN have reached out for help, I have looked into it. YES i Recorded the conversation for the guys who always doubt. They are interested mainly in Wood restoration contractors not reclaiming the striping and cleaning process.

Just FYI

Please keep the thread Clean, this was just a FYI

[Christopher 102]

And you know what they say about Texas.......

....everythings bigger esp. the guns...

Very well protected state.

..... You can always get a CHL Rick..... cant you???

I wonder.....If there was a Texas convention or Round Table, We could also have a Concealed Handgun Permit class on one of the last days of the event, not sure if by getting one in a different state from where you live would help you get one in your home state but it might be worth looking into if you want to get one.

A free class could be given away at a Texas event, definately something you would never forget. hahahahaha

[Christopher 102]

Things like this regulation need to be nipped in the bud so it does not spread all over the place.

If I had to guess, everyone on the bbs's represent probably less than 30% of the contractors in the USA. There are some huge companies out there that have huge amounts of trucks and trailer rigs that could easily make life harder for others if they found out that people were trying to do things to affect their livelihood by sheer volume of work being able to be done quickly and efficiently and taking over areas that they never thought about.

Always remember, there is always someone out there that is bigger, stronger, faster, more trucks, rigs, etc..... than everyone on the bbs's, we don't represent every contractor out there in the USA and some of the guys I have talked to have very deep pockets so they could adjust to changing situations quickly and even promote more ridiculous things to eliminate competitors (the contractors that were trying to eliminate other contractors) so you just never know how far the ball will roll before it stops.

Not every contractor out there has memberships in the bbs's, has youtube videos or even websites but they are out there but I do know that some of those guys I have talked to sometimes take a look at the bbs's to see what is going on and if it is worth their time.

Not trying to start anything here, just get people thinking because behind you is a contractor that wants some or all of your accounts but right now you can out-sell him but he is hungry and is working hard, acquiring more and more accounts every day and he wants to be on top of that market. Just like the UFC, there will be a stronger, younger, faster, and better fighter in a short while so you have to stay on top of your game and don't get complacement.

Have a nice evening thinking about all this stuff, we really all need to get together on this regulation stuff and do what we can to keep it sane, reasonable, logical, rational but most importantly, have a lot of common sense in the mix.

[Doug Rucker 31]

The problem is when these these things are taken lightly, and you think oh this won;t happen here, and then all of sudden you have a Houston on your hands. Stay in touch, get to know your LOCAL authorities, and the ones that interpret and enforce. You will find that all they need is education, the right education, and they will listen to you. Help them help you.

[Ron Musgraves 240]

The problem is when these these things are taken lightly, and you think oh this won;t happen here, and then all of sudden you have a Houston on your hands. Stay in touch, get to know your LOCAL authorities, and the ones that interpret and enforce. You will find that all they need is education, the right education, and they will listen to you. Help them help you.

It's really that easy. Make sure these people your the solution not the problem.

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[Jim Gamble 20]

Stay in touch, get to know your LOCAL authorities, and the ones that interpret and enforce. You will find that all they need is education, the right education, and they will listen to you. Help them help you.

As I said in Post 12...

Check (Communicate) with your local EPA Agencies for the correct answers. Usually if it is too strict, it usually does not get enforced and gets over turned in a short amount of time.

Make sure you meet with them face to face. Show that you want to work with them to be compliant. They will work with you.

Try to pull the wool over their eyes......well lets just say... They're not stupid and they will remember.

[Ron Musgraves 240]

That's the point I believe of the entire thread, miss informing has caught up with the individual's on every front eventually.

Im glad Jim you taking a new fresh approach to this.

Thanks

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[Jim Gamble 20]

That's the point I believe of the entire thread, miss informing has caught up with the individual's on every front eventually.

Im glad Jim you taking a new fresh approach to this.

Thanks

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No new approach here. Been saying this on these BBS since 2008 and Robert eariler than that. You are aware of that so there is Nothing new here.

You're just being you and are running with it... thats all.

Please do not make it sound like I or Robert are following your lead. That's how mis-information can start and we both do not want that to happen.

Thanks Ron.

[Ron Musgraves 240]

No new approach here. Been saying this on these BBS since 2008 and Robert eariler than that. You are aware of that so there is Nothing new here.

You're just being you and are running with it... thats all.

Please do not make it sound like I or Robert are following your lead. That's how mis-information can start and we both do not want that to happen.

Thanks Ron.

Jim , you not following my lead. I certainly do not want to follow yours or Robert. I do not pollute, there's nothing in my cleaning process that creates pollution. I reduce contaminates from ever getting into the ms4 prior to any rain event.

For the guys who wash into the ms4 and dump into public systems you and Robert might be helping them.

It's just different aspects of washing, you handle a lot of waste. I simple do not create waste, maybe your process does? I do not enter jurisdictions of storm water authority at local levels. Someone like yourself who does needs to have your proper waste hauling and pollution control efforts in place. The sludge that your customers build I consider reckless compared to my process. More frequent cost officiate methods are just my choices as and environmental cleaner. Your video of sludge and 1000's gallon of waste water are something that I show all clients they can simply avoid.

Jim zadril taught me many years ago , he is most likely one of the oldest garage cleaners in the industry. He is located in Los Angeles. I see a huge difference in Los Angeles parking garages compared to many places around the country.

While my main focus is sidewalks I will not take a garage that will not clean responsibly.

I've been able to prove most cleaner who profess reclaim filtering are not actually doing what they say.

The others will claim they dump in ridiculous places.

You and Robert keep up the good work, there are guys out there policing. They need help and guidance to handle the pollution.

I've asked you this before Jim , what's going to happen with the 2014 emission issue coming around the corner? Are you machine compliment with code now? Just curious

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[Guy B 70]

Usually if it is too strict, it usually does not get enforced and gets over turned in a short amount of time.

I think history proves this incorrect, In light of the Houston mess I'm not sure how you can say that Jim.

I do agree with you in your statement about working with officials and not trying to hide things from them. In my personal experience working with Local and State Water Authorities, they will come after you hard if you lie or try to conceal things from them but will be more than happy to "Work With You" when asked or sought after for advice.

[Jim Gamble 20]

I do agree with you in your statement about working with officials and not trying to hide things from them. In my personal experience working with Local and State Water Authorities, they will come after you hard if you lie or try to conceal things from them but will be more than happy to "Work With You" when asked or sought after for advice.

Thank You

[Jim Gamble 20]

Jim , you not following my lead. I certainly do not want to follow yours or Robert. I do not pollute, there's nothing in my cleaning process that creates pollution. I reduce contaminates from ever getting into the ms4 prior to any rain event.

For the guys who wash into the ms4 and dump into public systems you and Robert might be helping them.

It's just different aspects of washing, you handle a lot of waste. I simple do not create waste, maybe your process does? I do not enter jurisdictions of storm water authority at local levels. Someone like yourself who does needs to have your proper waste hauling and pollution control efforts in place. The sludge that your customers build I consider reckless compared to my process. More frequent cost officiate methods are just my choices as and environmental cleaner. Your video of sludge and 1000's gallon of waste water are something that I show all clients they can simply avoid.

Jim zadril taught me many years ago , he is most likely one of the oldest garage cleaners in the industry. He is located in Los Angeles. I see a huge difference in Los Angeles parking garages compared to many places around the country.

While my main focus is sidewalks I will not take a garage that will not clean responsibly.

I've been able to prove most cleaner who profess reclaim filtering are not actually doing what they say.

The others will claim they dump in ridiculous places.

You and Robert keep up the good work, there are guys out there policing. They need help and guidance to handle the pollution.

I've asked you this before Jim , what's going to happen with the 2014 emission issue coming around the corner? Are you machine compliment with code now? Just curious .

Your not curious, sounds like your fishing again.

[Ron Musgraves 240]

Your not curious, sounds like your fishing again.

Jim no one is Fishing, just carrying on a professional conversation. I can refrain from conversation with you all together if you prefer?

Jim your a representative of my national Association in the pressure washing industry, if members an non members cannot ask you question that pertain to the conversation and not be accused constantly of some other motives it serves no purpose to even talk about it.

I will not be combative with you Jim, if you want to ask question I appreciate them. I'll respectfully always give the honest best answer I can give FYI.

Thanks Have a Great Day

[Guy B 70]

I think history proves this incorrect, In light of the Houston mess I'm not sure how you can say that Jim.

You're Welcome.

[Jim Gamble 20]

You and Robert keep up the good work, there are guys out there policing. They need help and guidance.

I've asked you this before Jim , what's going to happen with the 2014 emission issue coming around the corner? Are you machine compliment with code now? Just curious?

Ron, I have showed you why 2014 emissions do not apply to us. However you continue to ask the same question about our equipment over and over again. It's almost like you’re obsessed with our rigs. It's like your trying to create something that is not there.

[Ron Musgraves 240]

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This is a Blog from Hydrotek about the emissions issue, I believe CETA who's event your attending oct is currently dealing with this. I think its a Major Issue, I'm surprised your not aware of the situation. I suppose it would be better to start another thread instead of discussing here.

I know that CETA has been fighting the ISsue for Manufactures for sometime now.

I have been Told My units are not complient in the state of california without the Permit. I'm not saying this is fact about permits, just was told about this on a visit to Hydrotek.

[newlook 265]

I am picking up my HydroTek next week from Mark at Easy Clean that I just bough. I'll find out what the deal is on this from him if I can.

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bought not bough :)

[Jim Gamble 20]

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This is a Blog from Hydrotek about the emissions issue, I believe CETA who's event your attending oct is currently dealing with this. I think its a Major Issue, I'm surprised your not aware of the situation. I suppose it would be better to start another thread instead of discussing here.

I know that CETA has been fighting the ISsue for Manufactures for sometime now.

I have been Told My units are not complient in the State of California without the Permit. I'm not saying this is fact about permits, just was told about this on a visit to Hydrotek.

Again.... Ron this does not apply to any of our units.

[Ron Musgraves 240]

I am picking up my HydroTek next week from Mark at Easy Clean that I just bough. I'll find out what the deal is on this from him if I can.

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bought not bough :)

Yeah That would be great to find out the scoop from another distributor, Marks a Great guy. Power Wash Network "The Power Wash Contractors Forum" - Home greatest old resource around for pressure washers for sure.

[Ron Musgraves 240]

Again.... Ron this does not apply to any of our units.

I was told they would Grandfather no one, the program was going to hit everyone for a Fee...of course CETA was fighting it. I do not however know. Maybe we should call Sherry Helms to get and Update.

[Jim Gamble 20]

I was told they would Grandfather no one, the program was going to hit everyone for a Fee...of course CETA was fighting it. I do not however know. Maybe we should call Sherry Helms to get and Update.

You was TOLD WRONG. Again, Already talked with the EPA Dept that polices this area of the law.

How many times do I need to say... THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO OUR COMPANY. Unlike some contractors who CHOOSE TO USE old equipment, we have upgraded our UNITS every year for the purpose of the tax write off's, fuel efficiency and to be compliant. We are a certified GREEN Company. The first Pressure Washing Company in the bay area from what I was told. I would even wager that I big burners use less fuel and produce more heat then your burners. Our diesel's use less fuel then your gas engines. Everything is tier 4 compliance.

SO AGAIN RON........THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO US. If this would apply to anyone, It may however apply to your business; that is, if you are still using those older pressure washers I saw 4 years ago. Units that are 8-12 years old maybe considered a Grouse Polluter. Not sure, you would have to check.

So one more time ...just for you Ron.....My equipment, my engines, my trucks and my boilers are all compliant to Federal, State and local laws of California and the surrounding States.

[Jim Gamble 20]

Ron, If you continue I will report the post.

This needs to stop now.

[Ron Musgraves 240]

Jim a few guys are Talking here about the emissions, if you cannot add or give any updates for others thats cool.

Why your getting upset I have no clue, nothing here was said derogatory towards you or anyone else.

Threatening to report threads? anyone who reads this will see the stated facts and references this is real issues the industry is having.

Jim if you do not want to be in the professional Conversation then please refrain from it.

These are things as industry leaders we all should know and understand, I will look into the emissions update to find out when the 2014 grandfather will either end or has been resolved. I just have not kept up with it, I was told by the manufacture my equipment is not compliant a year ago.

Since our move into california is small i have not followed up.

Jim i hope your day goes well, enjoy your weekend.

[Ron Musgraves 240]

I'll call Denise if she doesn't chime in here for more accurate info on the Emissions http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums/members/htcowgirl/

[Adrian 155]

My dogs bigger than your dog

My dog bigger than yours

My dogs bigger cuz

He farts less emissions

My dogs bigger than yours.

Get it???

See I just replaced "Kennel ration" with " farts less emissions".

That how it works in the world of jingles. It just slid right in there like a brown trout.

Breath guys....... carry on.

[Ron Musgraves 240]

My dogs bigger than your dog

My dog bigger than yours

My dogs bigger cuz

He farts less emissions

My dogs bigger than yours.

Get it???

See I just replaced "Kennel ration" with " farts less emissions".

That how it works in the world of jingles. It just slid right in there like a brown trout.

Breath guys....... carry on.

That's funny Adrian , you showing up at the next Huston event? It would finally be a pleasure to meet with you.

No big dog little dog brother just making sure you can wash everyday and keep you family in the life style they are accustom to.

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