RPetry 564 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Courtesy of the "Paint Quality Institute", a fully funded arm of Dow Chemical. If you have worked on exterior wood for any time, reach for a barf bag. This is more than absurd, it should be criminal. Go to: http://www.paintquality.com/en/articles/2015/04/why-acrylic-coatings-are-the-best-options-for-decks Read it and weep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Jason Reider 25 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Wow...it must be true if it is written on the internet. :stupid: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 RPetry 564 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 Wow...it must be true if it is written on the internet. :stupid: Jason, Yup. That is how the world perceives it. Very bad karma. Any one who knows anything about exterior wood exposed to sun, rain, snow, and god knows what else knows better. Hard to fight big money marketing and uneducated customers. But that is our job. Funny, I'm so old I can remember hippies fighting Dow Chem's production of napalm for the war in Vietnam. Nice company to do business with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted April 27, 2015 They are lumping all 'alkyd' resin stains into one issue which I have found to only be true in relation to one.....Sikkens. Rod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Trevor C.N 15 Report post Posted May 31, 2015 Rod I don't use sikkens, but i'm interested to hear why Sikkens is a particular bad alkyd stain. Thoughts? Trevor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted June 2, 2015 The SRD is not the one that makes people cringe. The DEK does. When it fails, it does a magnificent job of it. Very expensive (difficult) to remove. Beth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 blizzy 28 Report post Posted August 15, 2015 1 2 3 is also piles of fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted August 19, 2015 Yeah but 123 is not meant to be the deck coating really either. Don't even start me on the Rubbol garbage. We have several SRD clients, the product works well for them and they are happy. We only have a few DEK customers we maintain, but they are on a meticulous schedule wiith us and know what they are in for. We do not install new DEK. Personally, I see nothing wrong with using an acrylic on the rails and a matching oil on the floor, it reduces the maintenance cost on the deck dramatically.Been doing it for years. Beth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 steven 37 Report post Posted May 3, 2016 Hello everyone tis the season and here we go starting off with a good one. Please take a look at the pictures and give me some suggestions. No idea what brand of product is on there. just know that its not oil. I was going to pass on this but then I thought why? If I am to expand my horizons and try and really restore decks, there are plenty like this. And by doing these Oil can not be my only option my thoughts where to sand the floor as best I can with my machine and then add another product.. thinking latex is out. not interested in the restore products, so that leaves acrylic. anyone got any ideas? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted May 10, 2016 Were you stripping the rails? Rod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 steven 37 Report post Posted May 10, 2016 Yes I am going to strip the TOP rails, I ordered five gallons of peel away 1 and hope that will work, I should. I did a test spot on the floor with some boosted s hydroxide and it came of ok. so my plan is, strip the top hand rails with the peel away 1, strip the deck boards with the boosted hydroxide. Oil both hand rails and deck boards with a darker color Paint everything else white to match the trim. forgive my editing skills but I am aiming for something like the picture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted May 11, 2016 Gravity being the biggest enemy in that plan, I would just grind/sand the rail caps. Save the stripper for the floor. Rod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 RPetry 564 Report post Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) Stephen, Rod has a point. Not familiar with Peel Away, if it has a very thick consistency, think "pudding" or better yet "paste", it should work well on the top and 2 thin sides of the handrails, as long as it is effective. We keep 5 - 10 gals. in stock of an extremely caustic stripper, Eaco Chem's Stripper Cream. Chem gloves, safety glasses, and a rinse bucket of an acid is mandatory with the acid in case you get some on clothes or skin. Thick, kind of like pudding, and will cling to verticals with little to no drip. Apply "thick". Allow to dwell, if needed overnight, and pressure wash. Follow with a strong acid neutralizer and rinse again. You will definitely have to do a quick sanding of that wood. Edited May 12, 2016 by RPetry Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 steven 37 Report post Posted May 13, 2016 The peel away product is good for the vertical. It is a paste form and after you apply it you put some paper over it And let it sit for 24 to 36 hours. I watched a video of them using it on a wall and if it works as good as the video then yahoo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 steven 37 Report post Posted May 13, 2016 http://m.dumondchemicals.com/videos.html. take a look at the video tell me what you think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted May 14, 2016 Rod I don't use sikkens, but i'm interested to hear why Sikkens is a particular bad alkyd stain. Thoughts? Trevor Sorry for missing your post Trevor. In our experience, Sikkens is a great product but it has it's drawbacks and caveats. Maintenance being the biggest. Sikkens dek especially goes through a color shift as it ages (darkens like skin in the sun) So if you have a structure with it installed and parts are failing or failed, then the product out of the can will not match what is already on the surface and the result will be splotchy. Rod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 RPetry 564 Report post Posted May 14, 2016 Steven, Dummond has about 6 different "Peel Away" strippers. The one shown in the video is for lead, oil based paint removal. The top rails in your pictures appear to a water based, possibly an acrylic coating. You may want to give them a call for correct product selection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 steven 37 Report post Posted May 15, 2016 I look into it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 steven 37 Report post Posted May 28, 2016 Here we go. Just finished the deck. Live and learn. I was on this deck for a while. came out nice though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted May 29, 2016 Great job!So....tell us what you learned...Rod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 steven 37 Report post Posted May 29, 2016 I need to put in some kind of " way more work than i anticipated " clause. I finished the deck but was waaaay over the time frame. 22 hours over to be exact. That really bit into my profit margine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted May 30, 2016 I use a time and sqft based production factor in my estimation of a job.Overall, it led to a sqft price based upon each service and listed out like a grocery receipt.Then, the customer is given options as to how much they are willing to spend and given an expectation based upon their choices. Another way to do it is to just price it twice as high as normal. What's the worst that can happen?They say no and you don't lose money from under bidding? Rod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 steven 37 Report post Posted May 30, 2016 But what happens when you go over the time frame allowed for your square foot price? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted May 31, 2016 Depends on the circumstances.In our state, we can supply the customer with a overage statement to cover product usage.I don't know what your state allows for job time exceeding estimations but I have learned thatYour time is one that you eat unless you have made stipulations in the estimate/contract about the time estimated and have verbiage included to cover IF you go over.If that is the case, you will have to make substantiations for why. Rod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 steven 37 Report post Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Depends on the circumstances. In our state, we can supply the customer with a overage statement to cover product usage. I don't know what your state allows for job time exceeding estimations but I have learned that Your time is one that you eat unless you have made stipulations in the estimate/contract about the time estimated and have verbiage included to cover IF you go over. If that is the case, you will have to make substantiations for why. Rod Hence the " way more work than I anticipated " clause. lol I have no idea what I was thinking when I bid that job. I have been doing decks for three years and keep my time frame in place 99 percent of the time. Square foot or hourly it all comes down to how long it takes to do something. I am sure you have your system down pat and rarely go over your estimated price. Edited May 31, 2016 by steven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted June 1, 2016 I wouldn't say rarely.I have employee's to play into the factor.lol Rod Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Courtesy of the "Paint Quality Institute", a fully funded arm of Dow Chemical. If you have worked on exterior wood for any time, reach for a barf bag.
This is more than absurd, it should be criminal. Go to: http://www.paintquality.com/en/articles/2015/04/why-acrylic-coatings-are-the-best-options-for-decks
Read it and weep.
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