How long till the US gets into the fray....

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

Do you think the US will get involved in the Hezbollah/Lebanese conflict?

Rod!~

[Jeff 232]

Do you think the US will get involved in the Hezbollah/Lebanese conflict?

Rod!~

We are somewhat involved now, many of their weapons are USA made and we are supportting what Israel is doing and we're backing them in the useless UN ( UN bunch of commies)

I think when the time comes we will behind the scene have/ask Israel take out Irans nuke program. Yay

Unfortunitly Hezbollah is going to be around a long time until we deal with Syria & Iran

JL

[mas3372 14]

All of isreals weapons for the most part are made by ratheon.

the seize fire is suppose to take effect tomorrow, once that does, you can bet our troops will be there to keep the peace.

[Don L 14]

Do you think the US will get involved in the Hezbollah/Lebanese conflict?

Rod!~

I would judiously say that "we"already are, "involved".

Im my opinion ,Isreal is one of our staunchest ALLIES. They alone in the mid east,understand the natural yearning of humanity for liberty.They alone understand the need to eradicate the influence of Islamo facisim. The U.N. is a cancer to representitive republics. Which is what this nation is: not a "democrecy"The U.N. is an abberation of this republic.They seek to deprive this natoin of it's sovernighty.Would you condone this?What authority does Kofee Annian really have.I would slap him in the face ,if given the oppertunity.These are simply items to consider,not a condemnation of anyone's opinions.Just wondering.

Rod,and Beth,thank you for laboring so diligently to make this bbs viable.

[Mike Williamson 198]

Do you think the US will get involved in the Hezbollah/Lebanese conflict?

Rod!~

Dunno? What do YOU think? All I have are lying and deceptive news sources. For all I know, there isn't really a Hezbollah or Lebanon! :eek:

[Chappy 138]

Can you imagine what the press and dems would say if Bush came out and said "were sending troops to Guarantee Isreals security"?

"Bush is the antichrist!" would be the new democratic party mantra

[McMoo 14]

I use to think expell the U.N. from the U.S.A. ,kick them out on their collective a$$es. Then someone reminded me of the old adage, " Keep your friends close and your enemies closer! They ARE the enemy of our way of life. my 2 cents:lgangry:

[Don L 14]

McCown,

Can't argue with Sun Tsu.You're right .The UN's single purpose is to deprive the USofA's sovernignity.We are the last mighty obstacle that stands in their way.Give me liberty,or give me death!(I am not sure of the Sun Tsu reference).The UN must be dismantled.

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

I think that these areas are not worth much money in oil rights so more than likely we will be standing by to pick up any scraps.

Mike being the complete and total skeptic he is thinks I am full of it.

That's ok, I don't care what people think about me, I am not here to benefit anyone else as they are not here to benefit me and I do not allow myself to be influenced but to keep an open mind at all times. I do know this...Mike's not alone.

:taz: <---me! :)

Rod!~

[Mike Williamson 198]

I think that these areas are not worth much money in oil rights so more than likely we will be standing by to pick up any scraps.

Mike being the complete and total skeptic he is thinks I am full of it.

That's ok, I don't care what people think about me, I am not here to benefit anyone else as they are not here to benefit me and I do not allow myself to be influenced but to keep an open mind at all times. I do know this...Mike's not alone.

:taz: <---me! :)

Rod!~

No, I don't think you're full of it, and I'm certainly not a complete and total skeptic.....But when you make claims such as you have about government and private industry conspiracies, you should expect people to be skeptical, and to ask questions. I think you're a pretty smart guy, from what I've read and heard. Just don't expect me, or anyone else, to take that type of thing at face value just because you say it's so...

I don't see oil rights or oil access as being one of our reasons for going into any particular country. Yes, I think it plays a factor in how we deal diplomatically with various leaders...what else can explain our long-term relationship with a nation such as Saudi Arabia. I don't see that as a Bush thing, I see that as a nation protecting it's interests...it's in our best interest to have access to oil. Is that why we went into Iraq? Gimme a break. Yeah, we've been there over two years (or is it three? I can't even remember) and I see how we have cheap gas now!! Oil prices are at record lows! Woohoo!

I don't see Bush as a conspirator, an evil man, or a stupid man. I see him as a President with a weakness in communication, dealing with a very very difficult task, despite the critics and haters. I don't believe for a moment that he sent thousands of men into danger just to obtain access to Iraqi oil (which we already HAD access to...Oil for food, anyone???)

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

Oh, I expect skepticism, and then some. Just yanking your chain Mike. ;)

Everyone has a perspective which is based upon what they have experienced and that is the key word. Experienced.

So many things are going on and unless one becomes aware they will never know and be accepting things as status quo.

Btw, the petroleum wars are going to get worse from here on out. Much is about to happen. What is going on in Isreal is the next part.

Korea is next.

Rod!~

[Mike Williamson 198]

Oh, I expect skepticism, and then some. Just yanking your chain Mike. ;)

Everyone has a perspective which is based upon what they have experienced and that is the key word. Experienced.

So many things are going on and unless one becomes aware they will never know and be accepting things as status quo.

Btw, the petroleum wars are going to get worse from here on out. Much is about to happen. What is going on in Isreal is the next part.

Korea is next.

Rod!~

Oh, I believe this stuff with Israel and Hezbollah is certainly part of something, but I don't think it's what you think it is...

" Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it." Zec 12:2- 3

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

you could say that...

Rod!~

[Thomas 14]

I would hope that we take this as a full scale attack on our allie.

Like the boss said any nation that sponsers or harbors terrorist is our enemy and will be attacked.

That is why I voted for him and I expect nothing less than full scale war against iran before they are nuclear.

Even the arabs know israel is not out to gain more land or control. Leave them alone and they will leave you alone. These people are racists and are killing out of hate. This is a war against radical islamic fundamentalists....no matter what border they call home.

You can try diplomacy until you are blue in the face...the fact of the matter is violence is what these people understand. And they hate you and everything we stand for....

I cant believe i jumped into a political thread on the internet.

[Dan Stapleton 14]

Oh, I believe this stuff with Israel and Hezbollah is certainly part of something, but I don't think it's what you think it is...

" Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it." Zec 12:2- 3

Amen.

[mbryan 48]

This was written while it was still going on. Go ahead and Snopes it if you feel so inclined. Yes the guy is real

http://www.usmc.mil/genbios2.nsf/biographies/A12F67FE915D04D685256A4000718796?opendocument

From the heart of Major General, USMC (Ret) Richard Cooke

I often mention in my posts, a little Mexican restaurant that I frequent here in San Diego that goes by the name of Las Quatro Milpas, which serves the best authentic Mexican food in San Diego. I mention it today, because of what has changed when I stand in that long line in the heat down on Logan Avenue waiting for those 5 dear Mexican women to serve the hundreds of us who show up before I melt in the hot sun.

The line outside of Quatro Milpas is a place to meet new friends, reunite with people you have not seen in weeks or months, but happen to get that same desire for that Chorizo at the same time you did, so that every time you show up again, you can restart your friendship as if it never stopped. Everyone has a story about how long they have been coming to Quatro Milpas or how they discovered it, or how long was the longest line they have stood in waiting to get to their food.

What has changed, is that this week, instead of the jovial mood in the line, I was struck with the thought of what would happen to this place if someone were to walk into the line, and get into the restaurant, around say 1300 hours, at the height of the lunch rush and blow about 100 people to hell in the name of Allah.

As I thought about this, I wondered what it must be like for the people if Israel, who no matter where they go, have to consider the possibility of terrorism, and that their next steps out into society might be their last. I thought about what it must be like for a little Israeli schoolchild on a bus heading from school when someone gets on the bus in the middle of summer wearing a large overcoat.

I have an anger that will not go away this morning, as I watch the media try to tell me that Israel is the aggressor, that they are wantonly killing civilians, and that they must agree to a cease-fire with people who have sworn to kill them. I wish I could say I cannot imagine how we got to this point in society, where a portion of our society would side with the very monsters that have killed both Israelis and Americans, because of a fear of violence, but the reason is all too clear.

The free world has been too tolerant of the non-free world. We have allowed them to be portrayed as victims and to assume the moral high ground at the same time that they cut the heads off innocent people and film it for worldwide consumption. Okay, that is the nice way to put it. The honest way to put it is that we have lost our nerve. When a society of radicals can drag a dead American through the streets of their towns, and hang their bodies from a bridge as a collective finger flashed at America, and our response is "patience" we have lost not only our nerves, but our balls as well.

I get a sense from the older veteran friends of mine in this city that our problem is that we have it too good, and do not remember what was done on our behalf to make things this good. Have we forgotten that for every time we can leave our homes, go stand in line at our favorite restaurant, and NOT think about the possibility of someone bombing the place, which someone many years ago gave their very life for that freedom we enjoy? I think the young people in line at Quatro Milpas and wonder how many of them would have volunteered to fly with along side Doolittle on his way to Tokyo, knowing they had not the gas to get home? Omaha Beach, anyone? I understand that these days, in Marine Corps boot camp, a recruit can call a "time out" if he is feeling too much stress. Is our State Dept. running the Marines now? This, I find disgusting.

But no more disgusting [than] those who seek a cease-fire in Lebanon this morning after civilians were killed after their building collapsed from the concussion of a bomb dropped near them that was targeting the site of where rockets were launched into Israel resulting in the deaths of 18 Israeli civilians. It is as though these Israeli deaths do not matter at all. Especially when you stop to consider that this conflict began with Hezbollah coming across the Israeli border, ambushing and killing 8 Israeli soldiers and kidnapping two more.

Cease-fire, my ass!

To every person who believes that you can reason with these animals, I must ask you where your mind went. It is the weakness of the free-world's NON-response that has allowed the terrorist threat to grow into a movement that threatens our very existence. When a U.S. soldier can be dragged through the streets of Somalia and our response is to LEAVE, when 280 Marines can be bombed in their sleep and our response is to LEAVE, when after terrorists kill Spanish civilians on a train, and their nation's response is to elect capitulating socialists who order the immediate retreat of their soldiers from Iraq, and so on, and so on, what are the terrorists to think, but that the free world has become a *****?

The fact that a majority of Americans think this nation needs AN EXCUSE for going after terrorism after 911 scares the hell out of me. It suggests that we as a nation will eventually fail to produce the men and women who every day, stand between freedom and tyranny. Yesterday, San Diego had its Gay Pride Parade. Oh, the joy…. It was billed as the largest 'celebration' in the cities history. THIS city. The very city where sailors came home to after fighting in Midway. The city that trains half of this nations Marines, hosts the USS Ronald Reagan, the USS Nimitz, the former Fightertown USA...our largest celebration is for the GAY...PRIDE...PARADE. Ponder that with me, will you?

We are at war.

I want Israel to continue, even escalate their attacks on Lebanon. I want them to ignore the media, ignore the pundits, and ignore even the weak among them who want to find a peaceful way out of this current conflict. History teaches us that until a bully is beaten, the bully keeps coming. The free world paid for our freedom in blood, and if blood is what it will take to keep it, then lets just have at it now, shall we?

Let Iran and Syria attempt to aid Hezbollah. Let Israel attack them. Let it escalate until we are forced to fight at Israel's side. Then, can we for the last time, just kick some ass until it is over? Every generation must pay this price, as long as there are those who seek to force us to follow a dictatorial ideology. Radical Islam says, "Agree or die." In response, we should stop asking them, if there is a middle ground to be reached. We should be saying, "Fine, but it is YOU that will die."

Israel, I see you fighting not just for your freedoms, but also for the worlds’. I trust that if you continue, the free world will be forced to side with you, even if it means that a few of us die in the process. The time is now. It is time for THIS generation to prove itself worthy of those that came before us. It is time for us to say NO MORE to the terrorist threat, to find them and kill them.

Do not stop fighting, Israel. Make the free world help you put an end to this madness. In doing so, you might help us find the courage and moral convictions that made us free to begin with, so that one day, little Jewish children, and old lovers of Mexican food in America can go about our daily lives with the freedom that others died to give us.

[Don L 14]

That freaking rocks!

If the tiger is eating my children,I find and kill the tiger.No quater.The femenist,emotional brainwashing that has been brewing in this country,is now becomming manifest in the way this country defends itself.It is a curse upon America.It is time to exterminate the cowardly savages that prey upon America's freedom.Rise up oh MEN of God.Let order be restored.

[Deck Guy 14]

Just a question...What have we ever gotten from our ally Israel? I'm not being facetious here, but in my view, it's a one sided relationship. Maybe someone with a better grasp of the situation there can help me.

[Jeff 232]

Just a question...What have we ever gotten from our ally Israel? I'm not being facetious here, but in my view, it's a one sided relationship. Maybe someone with a better grasp of the situation there can help me.

Israel has always been an Allie we can trust in the middle east that wont stab us in the back. They have done some dirty work that we would have had to do eventually. They bombed Iraq when they were setting up nuke program years ago if I remember correctly. Some day I think there will be a good chance they will take out Irans nuke program when its necessary

I feel that they actually contain some of the problem arab countries. The arabs knew for years if they tried something stupid Israel wood attack and attack swiftly

I trust the jews in the middle east than any of the many arab countries. Plus I really like bagels lol

JL

[Deck Guy 14]

I see what you're saying Jeff, but much of the hatred directed at us from the Arab countries is based on our support of Israel. Perhaps if we had kept our nose out of that never-ending conflict, we wouldn't be threatened by those opposing Israel.

On the Bagel issue...there used to be a guy with a stand (like a hot dog cart) that roamed the streets near the Southern Illinois University campus bar area late at night. He'd toast bagels on a small Weber-type grill built into the stand, and top them with anything you could imagine. My favorite was just cream cheese and sunflower seeds. It tasted great after a few pitchers of beer!