Virtual Election '08

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

I thought it would be fun to hold a virtual election here on TGS. Cast your vote anywhere between now and Nov 4th. After that, the poll will close and we will see if out results match the Nation or not.

Make your vote count!

Beth

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

"Plus, it's not mudslinging, it's factual information, the man has many ties to REALLY bad people. Ayers is a terrorist dude, A TERRORIST!!!"

Also voted Chicago's 1997 CITIZEN OF THE YEAR and highly respected community leader. He's grown up since then, you think he's going to fire bomb you after he becomes president? What are you afraid of?

"I love to listen to Palin, she's conservative."

How can you tell what she is, other than a trained seal reciting what she has been told to say by her "HANDLERS".

Do you really want to go there about Palin and her preacher? Need I bring up Nobama's G-D'm, America hating preacher?

You want to compare Obamas preacher with a WITCH DOCTOR who was expelled from Kenya for harassing women he thought were witches? Do you believe in witches?

How about Caribou Barbi's first dude's separatist group membership until 2002. Their founder Joe Vogler - "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP. Vogler was found murdered after a plastic explosives sale gone bad.

It's looking like most of America does not see Obama as "the radical left wing". It looks like most Americans want their country back. Peace.

Thank you!!!!

Beth :cup:

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

Panel: Palin abused power in trooper case - CNN.com

Beth :cup:

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Fact Check: Would Obama fine businesses over health care? - Blogs from CNN.com

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Have a good read.

Beth

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

Dude..then why you not being responsable in voting for McCain then? I don't get you mang!

Because he was dubya's 'yes' man that's why. The rest I have already said and I stand behind my convictions here.

Voting for McCain/Palin is not in our best interest!

If there were another candidate to be in her place maybe it wouldn't be such a bad choice but I don't want Bush's legacy to continue and it will with McCain who has clearly shown not to be a free thinker.

Rod!~

[Jeff 232]

Jeff you are well intentioned...I like ya. Seems ya siding with a change for sake of a change though. Just realize once he gets the bully pulpit he can be the man you talk about here: "You know many liked McCain just back 6-8 years ago, he was known as being middle of the road which most of America is.......I might of voted for him......" Most of what I know of your values have tended to be more conservative in nature than your choice reflects. Maybe run through that abc questionaire I first put up in the Barack Stealthy thread (Abc's match'o matic http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/MatchOMatic...page?id=5542139 ) as well as the one centex just put up and report back to us how you come out.I really want to know how much of obama you are like minded with..

"Also a lot of it is he's just to old, I want a man on top of his game, not in his declining years." Your saying he not on his game??

Remember that thing called the surge? Remember him firing his own people when it was needed? Him and Palin will get more done in way of keeping the good on tract and suppressing the bad than the high hopes/messiah candidate could ever dream or fantasize about. Dude he not just older and wiser, he is on. Any of us could only dream to be as active when we his age. Post election things are gonna change but I suspect they gonna change without as much risk, without throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and without high hopes Obama fumbling the ball.

I am Conservative on probably a half of social issues and a 1/4 of fiscal issues maybe a little more. I have seen nothing from the republicans that they are fiscal Conservatives at all and it really really really looks like they are only for big biz at the expense of most Americans. I am not and never have been a trickle down economics guy at all. I didn't like it in the Reagan days and I dont like it now, I haven't really seen it work. I am not for deregulation at all, I am sorry I don't trust them to be self regulating and I think our economy and the troubles we are in now prove that we need major regulations even if its at the risk of slowing things some. I rather have regulations than what has happened now.

I worry if Obama will be a good president but I worry a lot less than having a republican admin. I am liberal on many matters and I also am for the average American, blue collar American, the Joe Six Pack American and I think the democratic party represents average Joe much better. My test for Obama is going to be his 1st year. Will he hold back on some of his programs to help solve the problems at hand. I think he will be much more middle of the road than many think. Except when it comes to health care, but you know something health care has to be fixed and nothing in the republican party shows they will do anything to fix it and if we have to take radical and costly steps to fix health care I say do it

As for McCain I have lost lots of respect for him, even before he was nominated, its not just because he's a republican I am against him now, its because he has gone very far right. Plus yes his age and his choice of VP if he dies we have Palinas prez, we know nothing about her except what we have seen in the past 2 months and I don't like what I see. As for Biden as Obamas choice I feel he would make a good Prez if Obama was to die

I know Obama may have some negatives they all do

As for the questionnaires and all the negative stuff I don't need them to form my own opinion and my opinion is America needs a democratic president to help fix the mess the republicans which had a majority of the blame in making. Thats my opinion

When Clinton was in office he cut government roles quite a bit, he let thousands go and did a good job. I hated Clinton for doing NAFTA but most everything else he did a good job. I hope Obama follows in some of his foot steps. I just hope the republicans don't waste 10's of millions dollars trying to impeach Obama. The republican KNEW Clinton would not get impeached but to grandstand, raise hell and to waste our money they went ahead and did it anyway. Clinton was wrong and lacks in some morality but so don't many of the republicans

We need something different and McCain isn't it> Ifeel totaly comfortable picking Obama/Biden over McCain/Palin

[Jeff 232]

Take the Obama Test. Where do you stand.

BarackObamaTest.com ::: Before you vote... take the test

That test is so ridiculous. It some Right wing opinions of what Obama has never even said in most cases. You want to go elect or not elect someone because of that BULLS**T test go ahead, you are more naive than I thought. I make my opinions from many sources this funny test won't be one of those sources

The far left could come up with the same kind of dumba** test. That thing is a joke. First the right says Obama isn't saying what his plans are now they know exactly what his plans are in this questionnaire Propaganda BS and its just funny Ha Ha Ha I got half way through the test and laughed and felt sick that people would even believe all this BS

You all keep towing the far right line and put Obama right in office for us all, thanks

Jeff

[Kirk 14]

Some of you guys say you don't know what Obama will do as pres. Some are afraid he has ulterior motives. Christ he has been campaigning for 2 years, have you looked at his outline on his website. How much REASONABLE PROOF is there otherwise! Mostly a bunch of crap to distract from what he seems to want to try and accomplish.

I don't care if Gilbert Godfrey is elected, but Obama seems to understand THE MIDDLE CLASS NEEDS DECENT PAYING JOBS!!! We need to bring manufacturing jobs back here. Manufacture HERE-Manufacture NOW! In the future it's going to be hard to collect for HOUSE WASHING / WINDOW CLEANING / DECK REFINISHING from someone WORKING AT WALLMART.

F... free trade agreements

F... companies getting corporate welfare for sending jobs to other countries only to expand CEOs wallet

F... top down / trickle down economics it aint trickling down-wake up it's NOT GOING to TRICKLE DOWN

Productivity = Supply

Wages= Demand

Productivity from the American worker has increased for several years now. At the same time wages have remained stagnant of decreased.

Put us on a level playing ground with other countries that charge US

tariffs.

Stop worrying so much about socialism!! The rich (and wanna be) media talking heads are trying to scare you with being controlled by a central leader figure (old school socialism/communism) to keep themselves from paying their own taxes. No, it should be about what is best for YOU..YOU..YOU (and your family) and the middle class of our country.

Yes I know I, I'm not an expert, and no I don't care to spend a bunch of time to try and prove my statements. I do know this country has gone to sh!t in the past 30 years since the Regan admin and his principals (including frigin gullible Clinton for listening to Greenspan and Robert Rubin).

Edited October 11, 2008 by Kirk

[Jeff 232]

Some of you guys say you don't know what Obama will do as pres. Some are afraid he has ulterior motives. Christ he has been campaigning for 2 years, have you looked at his outline on his website. How much REASONABLE PROOF is there otherwise! Mostly a bunch of crap to distract from what he seems to want to try and accomplish.

I don't care if Gilbert Godfrey is elected, but Obama seems to understand THE MIDDLE CLASS NEEDS DECENT PAYING JOBS!!! We need to bring manufacturing jobs back here. Manufacture HERE-Manufacture NOW! In the future it's going to be hard to collect for HOUSE WASHING / WINDOW CLEANING / DECK REFINISHING from someone WORKING AT WALLMART.

F... free trade agreements

F... companies getting corporate welfare for sending jobs to other countries only to expand CEOs wallet

F... top down / trickle down economics it aint trickling down-wake up it's NOT GOING to TRICKLE DOWN

Productivity = Supply

Wages= Demand

Productivity from the American worker has increased for several years now. At the same time wages have remained stagnant of decreased.

Put us on a level playing ground with other countries that charge US

tariffs.

Stop worrying so much about socialism!! The rich (and wanna be) media talking heads are trying to scare you with being controlled by a central leader figure (old school socialism/communism) to keep themselves from paying their own taxes. No, it should be about what is best for YOU..YOU..YOU (and your family) and the middle class of our country.

Yes I know I, I'm not an expert, and no I don't care to spend a bunch of time to try and prove my statements. I do know this country has gone to sh!t in the past 30 years since the Regan admin and his principals (including frigin gullible Clinton for listening to Greenspan and Robert Rubin).

Kirk you're such a left wing, radical, terrorist, communist socialist you really got to stop making sense

[MMI Enterprises 289]

Truest statements the last few posts are there between the lines. They are the ones about worrying about Obama and not being an expert. Sad to repeat McCain but some ya just 'don't understand'. What fits better into the 'being for the average joe' than a tax plan that is fair to all? Nobody owns the average joe figure of speech Jeff so you are welcome to use it even though it really belongs to republican ideals.

Just cause some you guys are middle class ya think it fair to pay less percentage of tax?. That isn't the America I luv and believe in. A rich person deserves to pay the same rate as you. It is fundamental to our core beliefs as Americans that people are treated equally. What's just as rediculous is this whole dem/lib mentality would have corps paying higher taxes as well. That is just simply retarded and regressive since we the people own the corps. Yes huge profits don't belong in the hands of corp heads as they do. It is obscene, but that is up to the inner workings of the boards and their investors. In the end if people don't like giving up their fair share of corp profit in order that they have a superb performer at the top then they should not invest in that company or get involved more. It is just dumb dumb dumb to double tax yerselves. Where do the candidates stand on double taxing. One is a dang robbinhooded commy socialist wanting his hand in all four pockets. I can live with some socialist ideas such as when it applies to astronomical healthcare flaws. But in general I am for less goobermint. Both republicans and democrats no not what they do when they make more red tape. YUP YUP YUP. make more regs so we can fill the roles so we can service the regs. I see the inner workings of what goobermint produces. Everybody I work for, or relatives work for the state in my capital city. What a total cluster F' waste of money. They sit in their offices making and producing nothing. Lawmakers and their State, local, and fed workers on the take are a bigger drain on American way of life than the poor welfare recips are, or the homeless, or the illegals combined. If it weren't for yup lib attitude thrashing the heck out of the original founding documents we wouldn't be in the mess we are as there would be less ways to steal it from ya...but anyways., enjoy Beths blog spam..as if stuff in blogs are truth or quantity and saying something enough makes it so or more important than core belief.

Edited October 11, 2008 by MMI Enterprises

[cdposey26 14]

Better be careful or you will get a slap on the wrist or banned for 30 days for calling Beths post spam, I think that is bashing. And I believe if we are being fair which I dont expect here, the words in previous post that have stars and dots are in direct violation of the rules that I have been forced to read several times this week.

[mbryan 48]

New greeting for '09 after Barack wins: Salam Obama my brother. Then when someone says that to you reply Obama Salam. Start practicing.

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

Better be careful or you will get a slap on the wrist or banned for 30 days for calling Beths post spam, I think that is bashing. And I believe if we are being fair which I dont expect here, the words in previous post that have stars and dots are in direct violation of the rules that I have been forced to read several times this week.

Trey, as a point of reference... I don't think they like bashing on *** either. And I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be OK there. Sorry - but it was bashing and it is not going to be tolerated. Don't like it? Try a BBS that doesn't care. Both TGS and *** care about professionalism and uphold their rules.

Beth :seeya:

[Jeff 232]

Truest statements the last few posts are there between the lines. They are the ones about worrying about Obama and not being an expert. Sad to repeat McCain but some ya just 'don't understand'. What fits better into the 'being for the average joe' than a tax plan that is fair to all? Nobody owns the average joe figure of speech Jeff so you are welcome to use it even though it really belongs to republican ideals.

Just cause some you guys are middle class ya think it fair to pay less percentage of tax?. That isn't the America I luv and believe in. A rich person deserves to pay the same rate as you. It is fundamental to our core beliefs as Americans that people are treated equally. What's just as rediculous is this whole dem/lib mentality would have corps paying higher taxes as well. That is just simply retarded and regressive since we the people own the corps. Yes huge profits don't belong in the hands of corp heads as they do. It is obscene, but that is up to the inner workings of the boards and their investors. In the end if people don't like giving up their fair share of corp profit in order that they have a superb performer at the top then they should not invest in that company or get involved more. It is just dumb dumb dumb to double tax yerselves. Where do the candidates stand on double taxing. One is a dang robbinhooded commy socialist wanting his hand in all four pockets. I can live with some socialist ideas such as when it applies to astronomical healthcare flaws. But in general I am for less goobermint. Both republicans and democrats no not what they do when they make more red tape. YUP YUP YUP. make more regs so we can fill the roles so we can service the regs. I see the inner workings of what goobermint produces. Everybody I work for, or relatives work for the state in my capital city. What a total cluster F' waste of money. They sit in their offices making and producing nothing. Lawmakers and their State, local, and fed workers on the take are a bigger drain on American way of life than the poor welfare recips are, or the homeless, or the illegals combined. If it weren't for yup lib attitude thrashing the heck out of the original founding documents we wouldn't be in the mess we are as there would be less ways to steal it from ya...but anyways., enjoy Beths blog spam..as if stuff in blogs are truth or quantity and saying something enough makes it so or more important than core belief.

Republicans for Average Joe, sooooo funny man I just don't see that. Sure isn't the past several years. More like Republicans for slave mentality or The Royal family. Average Joe works hard and the Kings & Queens of Gov & Big Biz pay less and Average Joe Common Peasant pays. Who do think is paying all this bailout stuff, not big biz, who's paying for Bushes war, not big biz, Who do you think is paying high fuel costs not big biz, Who's losing trillions of $$$$ in this crisis not CEO's Joe Six Pack is losing, getting screwed and we will have to pay it allllllllllll back. Joe six pack has to pay for the bailout of companies that made trillions and the CEO's made hundreds of Millions, Big Biz made billions off the Iraq war Joe Six pack has to pay for the war and has been. Joe Six Pack is the one paying for all the high fuel cost while big biz oilman makes record profits while the country is going through one of its roughest times. Republican & Big Biz are raping Joe Six Pack and you silly guys are thanking them for raping you....CRAZY

What do you think all this war money and bailout money is??????? What???? Tell me what all this war money and bailout money that we have and are going to pay for decades, what is it????? Please can you say it???? Please say it, OK I will.......................its a TAX against JOE SIX PACK......don't you see it, the republicans in the past years have spent more than any Democratic admin. You are being taxed to crap but they don't call it a tax, they hide it, they just add it to the deficit, they just give big biz corp welfare....Its a tax and you are smiling while they screw you and then you want to put them in office to do it again. S*X is good but getting screwed by the man is not, I am surprised you like it Kev. The only thing thats obscene is how you and Average Joe Six Pack is getting screwed out of TRILLIONS of $$$$ and there is not a damn thing we can do. thank God there's an election coming, so we can get GW and the republicans out of office , Joe Six pack has a sore A**.

Robinhood was a great story, hope to see it again. Oh ya you'll say then big biz will leave the country for cheaper labor & taxes. NEWS FLASH, THEY HAVE BEEN LEAVING LIKE CRAZY FOR 6-7 YEARS even with very little regulation and corp welfare FUNNY how people see thangs isnt it

Vote and vote often Obama in 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Its an end of the Reagan trickle down no regulation era!!!! Thank God I dont think we can afford to bailout all these poor poor poor companies & CEO's.........A Holes they all should be homeless not the hard working Americans they are hurting now...You and Me Joe Six Pack

Edited October 11, 2008 by Jeff

[Alexy 85]

Trey, as a point of reference... I don't think they like bashing on *** either. And I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be OK there. Sorry - but it was bashing and it is not going to be tolerated. Don't like it? Try a BBS that doesn't care. Both TGS and *** care about professionalism and uphold their rules.

Beth :seeya:

Yeah, must be perfessional org........

Sound familiar?

[Jeff 232]

Yeah, must be perfessional org........

Sound familiar?

What happen to your foamer LOL

[cdposey26 14]

Yeah whatever Beth that is a great point of reference and has a whole lot to do with my previous post, you are the beacon of professionalism in all you do and you really administer your so called rules fairly and across the board. You are a joke.

[slightmold 64]

bravo.................jeff................Rosemary

[MMI Enterprises 289]

If you thought corps(which you call big business), that you and I own by way of shares of our retirements or direct investment, was gonna flip bill for the war or what sheik habib is charging than you might just be off yer rocker. It has always been known that America will pay in some shape or form for the huge expendatures. I haven't at all agreed to what Bush has done on spending.. I agree that much can be translated into being a hidden tax. What I don't get is you want to tax yourself coming and going by way of both personal income tax and tax placed upon your own investment growths. What don't you get about leaving corp alone so you can reap the rewards. Why do you think a dividend or a stock sale is low or high? Go ahead and double tax yerself with obama's plan if you care more to actually see your money fly out your wallet. Yes there is problems and dirty dealings that have screwed us all out of investment money but how you get off claiming McCain doesn't have goal to curb the problems more than the other guy. Pure and simple or the KISS mentality should apply with taxation. Who do you think there is some magic money grubbing wizzard running the brick road that steals all our corp money and burries it away never to be seen of again. Screw the main share or corp America and ya screw yerself. Just look to your invest or retire bottom line as of late from the markets going from the 11k to the 8k range. Yea that's taxation if ya twist or broaden the definition enough and you want more of it actually written into law?. Just raise taxes for everyone and the corps too to 55% and cure it all in one swift rape...yea that's the ticket. Hey let's tax this forum..make as much sense as taxing a corp or taxing a high income individual more than their fair share. Jeff if you built your business to point of qualifying for the new up and coming tax brackets by the Obama plan I congratulate you and your happiness at paying half your income to the goobermint as well as loosing a good portion of the corps profit to a further tax.

But anyways, you got yer mind set and ya got all these fanciful ideas to listen to of how further taxation will fix it all so have fun. I really do hope you enjoy working even more to take home even less.

[Jeff 232]

If you thought corps(which you call big business), that you and I own by way of shares of our retirements or direct investment, was gonna flip bill for the war or what sheik habib is charging than you might just be off yer rocker. It has always been known that America will pay in some shape or form for the huge expendatures. I haven't at all agreed to what Bush has done on spending.. I agree that much can be translated into being a hidden tax. What I don't get is you want to tax yourself coming and going by way of both personal income tax and tax placed upon your own investment growths. What don't you get about leaving corp alone so you can reap the rewards. Why do you think a dividend or a stock sale is low or high? Go ahead and double tax yerself with obama's plan if you care more to actually see your money fly out your wallet. Yes there is problems and dirty dealings that have screwed us all out of investment money but how you get off claiming McCain doesn't have goal to curb the problems more than the other guy. Pure and simple or the KISS mentality should apply with taxation. Who do you think there is some magic money grubbing wizzard running the brick road that steals all our corp money and burries it away never to be seen of again. Screw the main share or corp America and ya screw yerself. Just look to your invest or retire bottom line as of late from the markets going from the 11k to the 8k range. Yea that's taxation if ya twist or broaden the definition enough and you want more of it actually written into law?. Just raise taxes for everyone and the corps too to 55% and cure it all in one swift rape...yea that's the ticket. Hey let's tax this forum..make as much sense as taxing a corp or taxing a high income individual more than their fair share. Jeff if you built your business to point of qualifying for the new up and coming tax brackets by the Obama plan I congratulate you and your happiness at paying half your income to the goobermint as well as loosing a good portion of the corps profit to a further tax.

But anyways, you got yer mind set and ya got all these fanciful ideas to listen to of how further taxation will fix it all so have fun. I really do hope you enjoy working even more to take home even less.

Where do you get all your facts about Obama & taxes, from Fox News, Rush or one of those stupid Obama test that the right has put out. will he increase taxes on big biz yes, is it going to hurt them to get less corp welfare and all the loop holes they have. We cannot afford another 4-8 years of Republican ideology when it comes to economics. Fact is the past 30 years the Republicans have spent more than ANY democratic admin and their deregulating has helped cause the free fall we are in now. Will it last forever, NO, did it ever have to get this way or bad NO

You say you are for less Goobermint & taxes, do you see less goobermint and less taxes and money going out of our goobermint from this past administration NO, The republicans have grown goobermint, raised taxes in these bailouts. They are out of control and you can't see it, I dont want another 4 years like what I have seen in the past 8.

We have different opinions thats it brother and you know I guess thats just OK

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

Yeah whatever Beth that is a great point of reference and has a whole lot to do with my previous post, you are the beacon of professionalism in all you do and you really administer your so called rules fairly and across the board. You are a joke.

See - now calling me a "joke" would qualify as BASHING and is against the rules. I have to tell you to stop now...or....else.

Beth

[cdposey26 14]

please apparently everything is bashing to you Beth, do whatever it is that you want to do, I could care less, you have a warped sense of professionalism, I am not going to get into this pissing match with you its your board it is what it is. Make your two different sets of rules to apply how you see fit and remain the hypocrite that you are.

[MMI Enterprises 289]

Where do you get all your facts about Obama & taxes, from Fox News, Rush or one of those stupid Obama test that the right has put out. will he increase taxes on big biz yes, is it going to hurt them to get less corp welfare and all the loop holes they have. You ask where the facts from but yet you say "yes" he'll increase corp tax/loophole? sounds the pot calling the kettle black. In fact since you want the corps to see his wrath you totally know it to be true the claims of him raising taxes. Just listen to yourself on what you expect of him and that is exactly what others fear of him. It aint being dreamed up, it is his goal and you expect it..We cannot afford another 4-8 years of Republican ideology when it comes to economics. So you mean it wasn't the dems that adjusted the 700bil up like 160 more billion with pork? Fact is the past 30 years the Republicans have spent more than ANY democratic admin and their deregulating has helped cause the free fall we are in now.Note the word "helped" implies others had main hand involved. Will it last forever, NO, did it ever have to get this way or bad NO I already stated I didn't agree with all the spending, but deregulation is something different. One entity being delt a hand that suits them better than your own does not change your hand or end profit unless you have a stake in their hand. Obviousely you will never admit that the corps being able to do business at profit is benneficial directly to our wallet and retirement value. If you did you would have to admit that the major gains in the markets since the old Reagan days mean the opposite of what you say. Yup the markets and growth being so high were a bad thing, average joe being able to retire was a bad thing. America leading the world since Reagan in many aspect and having a high quality of life never happened... that's pretty rich..

You say you are for less Goobermint & taxes, do you see less goobermint and less taxes and money going out of our goobermint from this past administration NO, The republicans have grown goobermint, raised taxes in these bailouts. neither party immune as it has to be fixed to free the credit market. but why the dem pork? They are out of control and you can't see it, I dont want another 4 years like what I have seen in the past 8. you mean like trying to keep the homeland safe while fullfilling all the responsable things that go with entering a war. I remember the dems that were for the war before they were against it..Or ya just focusing directly on Bush's out of control spending in general? What is so bad for you in the past 8 year?. Taxes costing your company more?How's the man or corp America kept you down?. They've made you rich with customers with money..least I pressume to have heard such about ya.. You should be thankful they got it so good so that you have it so good. If trickle didn't work we'd have no customers beyond the rate of a poor socialistic wage earner. Go ahead and vote in all them taxes and get ready for your customers to make the cuts they will have to. Have already heard of it in the basic janitorial trade, next up the more specalized trades like pressure washing. :)

We have different opinions thats it brother and you know I guess thats just OK Yea no problem with disagreeing or differing opinion.

Beth..what no dem blog links for this thread for over an hour, what happened?:)

[MMI Enterprises 289]

Trey you really don't have to call names directly. Can't you just say "that" or "that idea" or "that thing you push" is a joke?

[cdposey26 14]

Trey you really don't have to call names directly. Can't you just say "that" or "that idea" or "that thing you push" is a joke?

Oh thanks for the tidbit, maybe that will help me not get in trouble. Sort of like this, that idea of the rules that the lady that always responds to my post has me read, but said lady has double standards regarding the idea of those previously mentioned rules is a joke.

Edited October 12, 2008 by cdposey26

[cdposey26 14]

Is that better?