squirtgun 122 Report post Posted October 28, 2006 Pay particular attention to the fact that apparently some roofing munfacturers now recommend sodium hydroxide for cleaning roof.Last time I saw the ARMA bulletin it was still S/H,TSP and water. http://www.cleanpeers.com/articles/cleaning-asphalt-roofs.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Apple Roof Cleaning 202 Report post Posted October 28, 2006 Pay particular attention to the fact that apparently some roofing munfacturers now recommend sodium hydroxide for cleaning roof.Last time I saw the ARMA bulletin it was still S/H,TSP and water.http://www.cleanpeers.com/articles/cleaning-asphalt-roofs.htm I have NEVER ever seen a shingle manufacturer actually remommend Sodium Hydroxide. I have heard manufacturers CLAIM that their Sodium Hydroxide based cleaner is recommended, but never seen any proof! I think this Henry guy who wrote the articles is simply a "parrot", and repeating what he has heard. There is an old saying that goes "Tell a lie often enough, and it becomes truth" It kind of reminds me of the ridiculous claim that using bleach will "neutralize" Termite treatment. I know several old time pest control guys who told me, off the record that Termited HATE bleach, LOL And, a quick and dirty way to "Termite Proof" a house was to simply spray bleach all around it. Of course, this is not good for plants ... I have actually seen Insects flat get up and leave a house or yard when Bleach spills. They do not like the Love Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 racechaser 64 Report post Posted October 28, 2006 I think this Henry guy who wrote the articles is simply a "parrot", and repeating what he has heard. If you notice this an ad for the PWNA roof cleaning class. What you don't see here is that Henry owns a sunbrite franchise.He is also a PWNA board member. (If that is not an accurate description of the sunbrite store, Pete I apologize.But I will welcome your explanation on the matter.) Naturally Sunbrite sells NAOH based roof cleaner. So that is what I am Speculating will be the method taught at the convention. Henry lurks around here but hasn't posted as much as he used to. So If shingle manufacturing company has changed their postion in writing please share the technical bulletein with us please. All I can go by is the ARMA technical bulletein that says Sodium Hypochlorite.Sodium Hydroxide is not mentioned. So if Henry or any other PWNA training coordinator can share this change with us in writing it will both help me in being factual in my statements and lend the PWNA some much needed credibility. Look forward to eliminating the confusion. Scott Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Apple Roof Cleaning 202 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 If you notice this an ad for the PWNA roof cleaning class. What you don't see here is that Henry owns a sunbrite franchise.He is also a PWNA board member. (If that is not an accurate description of the sunbrite store, Pete I apologize.But I will welcome your explanation on the matter.) Naturally Sunbrite sells NAOH based roof cleaner. So that is what I am Speculating will be the method taught at the convention. Henry lurks around here but hasn't posted as much as he used to. So If shingle manufacturing company has changed their postion in writing please share the technical bulletein with us please. All I can go by is the ARMA technical bulletein that says Sodium Hypochlorite.Sodium Hydroxide is not mentioned. So if Henry or any other PWNA training coordinator can share this change with us in writing it will both help me in being factual in my statements and lend the PWNA some much needed credibility. Look forward to eliminating the confusion. Scott With all due respect Scott, do not hold your breath. I think it will be a cold day in hell before ANY shingle manufacturer actually recommends a Sodium Hydroxide based cleaner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 racechaser 64 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 Trying to be tactful and give people the benefit of the doubt.I don't believe it either. But you never know, so rather than put my foot in my mouth I'll give them the opportunity to back up their statement. I mean that site is not much more than a PR Newswire of janitorial. Read the list of other topics, "how to keep feather dusters fluffy".Not much meat there for me. I think they were trying to let people of other trades know about roof cleaning so people might see the revenue stream and take their class. I speculate a silent response unless it is a response without a technical bulletein. Scott Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Mathew Johnson 123 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 Roof Cleaning --Asphalt Shingles By Henry Bockman Author Bio: Henry Bockman, operates Henry's Housework (http://www.henryshousework.com) a pressure washing company in Maryland, holds Environmental and Wood certifications from the Power Washers of North America, Wolman, American Builders and Restoration and other contractor organizations. Bockman also instructs for some of the PWNA training and certification courses. (http://www.pwna.org) He also recommends using professional pressure washing products from suppliers like Sun Brite Supply of Maryland (http://www.sunbritesupplymd.com) instead of using high pressure to clean. This Article sounds more like a paid advertisement for his wifes store and the PWNA than an evidence based research article. IT IS WHAT IT IS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Dave222 14 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 Trying to be tactful and give people the benefit of the doubt.I don't believe it either. But you never know, so rather than put my foot in my mouth I'll give them the opportunity to back up their statement.I mean that site is not much more than a PR Newswire of janitorial. Read the list of other topics, "how to keep feather dusters fluffy".Not much meat there for me. I think they were trying to let people of other trades know about roof cleaning so people might see the revenue stream and take their class. I speculate a silent response unless it is a response without a technical bulletein. Scott How to keep feather dusters fluffy? haaaagghghgh I shot coffe out of my friggin' nose................. It actually hurts to do that... I am so glad to have found this website and particularly the roof cleaning forum.... I was sucked in to the swirling marketing machine that is "roof a cide" and others....Thank God I spent some time doing reading and research and did not go forward with that plan......Nothing against them because they seem to be doing ok....I just did not have that up front money they require and, as I read more every day, using S. Hydroxide just does not seem to be very efficient as far as labor and productivity........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Mathew Johnson 123 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 How to keep feather dusters fluffy? haaaagghghgh I shot coffe out of my friggin' nose................. It actually hurts to do that...I am so glad to have found this website and particularly the roof cleaning forum.... I was sucked in to the swirling marketing machine that is "roof a cide" and others....Thank God I spent some time doing reading and research and did not go forward with that plan......Nothing against them because they seem to be doing ok....I just did not have that up front money they require and, as I read more every day, using S. Hydroxide just does not seem to be very efficient as far as labor and productivity........ LOL.... Thanks for the visual on the nose coffee.... ANd for the real world application of eficacy of SH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Dave222 14 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 LOL.... Thanks for the visual on the nose coffee.... ANd for the real world application of eficacy of SH AND...everyone in the business knows that feather dusters are out and "Swiffer" is in....These people need to keep up with their infomercials....I was lucky enough to be one of the first 100 callers and got that extension that allows me to clean my ceiling fan.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Celeste 341 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 Roof Cleaning --Asphalt Shingles By Henry Bockman Author Bio: Henry Bockman, operates Henry's Housework (http://www.henryshousework.com) a pressure washing company in Maryland, holds Environmental and Wood certifications from the Power Washers of North America, Wolman, American Builders and Restoration and other contractor organizations. Bockman also instructs for some of the PWNA training and certification courses. (http://www.pwna.org) He also recommends using professional pressure washing products from suppliers like Sun Brite Supply of Maryland (http://www.sunbritesupplymd.com) instead of using high pressure to clean. This Article sounds more like a paid advertisement for his wifes store and the PWNA than an evidence based research article. IT IS WHAT IT IS With that kind of horn blowing......what else could it possibly be? Wonder how much that type of stuff costs to do? Celeste Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 One Tough Pressure 580 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 They were cleaning lambswool dusters not feather. Big difference, and a swiffer will not take its place. Lambswool holds the dust while feathers spread it around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Mathew Johnson 123 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 AND...everyone in the business knows that feather dusters are out and "Swiffer" is in....These people need to keep up with their infomercials....I was lucky enough to be one of the first 100 callers and got that extension that allows me to clean my ceiling fan.... \ But thats not all.... be one of the first 200 callers for the feather duster deluxe and get the mini-pocket feather duster and the deluxe storage case... But wait a minute...... whats that Henry???? WOW!!!.... call by 5 PM and get the "limited time only" universal feather duster cleaner. This great Item will clean both the Origonal and mini-pocket feather duster in less than 60 seconds...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 IT IS WHAT IT IS That's funny...and SOOOOOO true! Beth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 With that kind of horn blowing......what else could it possibly be? Wonder how much that type of stuff costs to do?Celeste Horn blowing? Reminds me of those cheap plastic whistles that come in a bag of piñata filler...you have to blow pretty hard to get a squeak. Beth :dancing: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Mathew Johnson 123 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 DAMN.... THis is October, January ought to be a great month on the BBS... LMAO Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Mathew Johnson 123 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 If you liked scotts article website...... You will really like this site. http://www.articlesource.com/library/profile.cfm?writerid=8935 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 Infomercial central if you ask me..... Beth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 newlook 265 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 The roof cleaning article at the beginning of the thread did not come off to me as a complete and thorough explanation regarding chems and shingle cleaning. Maybe Henry intended it to be that way so that folks would "click through" to either his website, Sunbrite and/or the PWNA. Electronic marketing at it's best! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Mathew Johnson 123 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 The roof cleaning article at the beginning of the thread did not come off to me as a complete and thorough explanation regarding chems and shingle cleaning. Maybe Henry intended it to be that way so that folks would "click through" to either his website, Sunbrite and/or the PWNA. Electronic marketing at it's best! HELLO CARLOS.... HOW THE HECK ARE YA? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 WEW 14 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 Ahhh Geezz, if it ain't busted, don't fix it. ISYHTRAH Looks like we got lots of folks trying to tell us how to do our job. "You need to be more carefull!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 racechaser 64 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 They were cleaning lambswool dusters not feather. Big difference, and a swiffer will not take its place. Lambswool holds the dust while feathers spread it around. If i got it wrong sorry, for the untrained eye (like myself) I figured all dusters were feather.LOL But if anybody missed this extremely informative article...here it is http://www.cleanpeers.com/articles/duster-cleaning.htm Enjoy Scott Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Beth n Rod 1,279 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 The roof cleaning article at the beginning of the thread did not come off to me as a complete and thorough explanation regarding chems and shingle cleaning. Maybe Henry intended it to be that way so that folks would "click through" to either his website, Sunbrite and/or the PWNA. Gee.....ya think? ;) Beth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Celeste 341 Report post Posted October 29, 2006 Since I have no particular interest in reading Henry's article, I haven't, however, from the posts I'm reading, if he is promoting sodium hydroxide for cleaning roofs.....isn't that kind of the opposite of what was just recently published on roof cleaning in the Cleaner Times Magazine? Maybe Beth can actually post exerpts of what the PWNA endorses as well as her well-researched (I'm quite certain of good research with her) facts that were published. If I remember correctly, ARMA recommends sodium hypochlorite, the PWNA felt they should follow the AHJ on this one, which means that Henry/SunBrite is confused????? I am :) Celeste Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 newlook 265 Report post Posted October 30, 2006 Hey Matt, Good to see ya! We are okay on this end. Still experienceing 80 degree weather so we are staying busy. Cleaned and sealed 1200 sq. ft of concrete on Friday....came out sweet! Beth - LOL :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Mathew Johnson 123 Report post Posted October 30, 2006 Hey Matt,Good to see ya! We are okay on this end. Still experienceing 80 degree weather so we are staying busy. Cleaned and sealed 1200 sq. ft of concrete on Friday....came out sweet! Beth - LOL :) I want to be just like Carlos.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Mathew Johnson 123 Report post Posted October 30, 2006 I want to be just like Carlos.... In 8o degree heat! It snowed here today! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pay particular attention to the fact that apparently some roofing munfacturers now recommend sodium hydroxide for cleaning roof.Last time I saw the ARMA bulletin it was still S/H,TSP and water.
http://www.cleanpeers.com/articles/cleaning-asphalt-roofs.htm
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