PressurePros 248 Report post Posted November 4, 2006 Alright, meaningless poll here but I am curious as to other's feelings on this one. P-Diddy (black rap star I'm sure you recognize) put his name in for the first black James Bond. It's an interesting concept I suppose. How do you feel about that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 JFife 14 Report post Posted November 6, 2006 What I didn't realize until reading today is that this new "Bond" is a prequel---we learn where he got the Aston Martin, how he was Licensed to Kill, etc. This character is supposed to be more in line with the original book(s). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 RyanH 14 Report post Posted November 6, 2006 How about the first female bond...who would you nominate? Jenna Jameson. Or Stacy Keebler. Yeah, definitely Keebler. Or that new chick on The Office....the one from the Stamford branch. Nah, Keebler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Washaway 64 Report post Posted November 7, 2006 I nominate Halley Barry (is that how you spell her name?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 James 624 Report post Posted November 7, 2006 I love James Bond. (English sports car) This is fun too a point but Bond is an Institution. I want to be Mr Bond's 007 or the one before 0069 ! ! ! ! OH Yes D I A M O N D J A M E S Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Jon 533 Report post Posted November 7, 2006 You talk about a Black James Bond so try this if you remember the movie Some Like it Hot: 1959 Cast Blacks as: Tony Curtis Marilyn Monroe Jack Lemmon So who would you want to play whom? By the way for those that have never seen this movie it is a black & white so before you answer think how it would look if they colorized it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Degraffreed 21 Report post Posted November 8, 2006 Wow, this is really an eye opener. No matter what WE all have been through since the civil rights movement of the 60's. APPARENTLY, by reading some of the racially ignorant posts, we still have a hell of a way to go. As a black man reading this, is very interesting. It make me wonder if all of " White society" thinks as shallow as some of you. Fun poking or not. I know some of you really hide behind your remarks as jokes.... But i really doubt it. I think you really express what you deeply feel. Kinda like throwing rocks and hiding your hands. Will be cautious on this board from this day forward. " Shocking"........... And we wonder why the World is going to Hell in a Handbasket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Celeste 341 Report post Posted November 8, 2006 Here goes my naive self again..... One - I do not consider myself racist, although frankly I was definitely brought up to be so (thanking my military lifestyle for changing my upbringing!) With that said, black or white, there are some "icons" in our lives that need not be interchangeable. James Bond's character was created and has always been portrayed by a white man. Shaft, on the other hand, was written and portrayed by a black man. Neither was done from a racial standpoint....which was the basis of my comment about Kate Winslet playing an Oprah part. Actors ACT so ANY actor should be able to play any part. But let's face it......there are some parts that should just not be "rearranged". I can't speak to some of the other comments that were made - just wanted to make certain MY point was clear. Celeste Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 PressurePros 248 Report post Posted November 8, 2006 Jay since I started this post I am responsible for opening the flood gate so to speak.I am not justifying nor condeming anyone's comments. Those are what they are. The world is far from a different place despite civil rights movements, desegregation and ethnicity blending. I overhead a group of black men (dressed in suits) at a lunch table and the conversation tone was much more harsh than what you are reading here. Inherent distrust of other races is human nature. I would bet if I sat down with that group at the luncheon and started spreading racist propoganda about the middle east we all would have bonded over a beer and discussed ways of eradicating sand people from our wonderful unified country. For what its worth, I thik a black bond would be cool (and so I voted) I really can't stand P-Diddy but there is no denying the man's demeanor and style. That is what 007 is about moreso than being a white guy. I personally think anyone that cannot pull off a British accent should be ****-canned as the next Bond. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 JFife 14 Report post Posted November 8, 2006 Jaycam, I am truly interested to know what has offended you. Man, I really hope none of this gets deleted because this is of unbelievable genuine interest to me. I went back a re-read everything twice, through my eyes, and then tried to imagine what it would be like to be one of a few black guys on here and reading these comments. I guess I kind of understand where you are coming from, since it is kind of like 1 against 100. If there were 100 members, 50 black and 50 white, would you have been okay with us whiteys making this post?? My guess is "yes" and it would have turned into a fun black vs. white thing....no hurt feelings. I gather that intel from this: in college my frat had one black guy. We'd joke with him and tell him the only reason we let him in was to keep the ACLU off our backs, etc.....and it was all in fun, we loved the guy. What was interesting though, was that if it was just him around, he'd get bothered by it. But if he had a bunch of his black friends around, we could joke with him about such matters and all was in good fun, no feelings hurt. Reading back I see some stereotypes, nothing mean-spirited, just general black stereotypes: escalade, velour interior, etc. While I could never ask you to not be offended as I am not you and don't know what affects you, I would ask that you give us crackers a second chance and don't write us off as racists, etc. What would have been funny is if you'd have listed all the reasons you think it is time for a black Bond, and the improvements it would make (I, for one, voted that way:)) Really, you've been around for awhile, hate to see you offended. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Deck Guy 14 Report post Posted November 8, 2006 To me, Bond is a suave and debonair guy from the 60's with narrow lapels, thin tie, and a British accent. It's hard for me swallow most of the actors who have played the role inthe last 20 years. I have to agree that some roles just don't make sense when the race of the actor is changed. The example above of "Shaft" (Richard Roundtree?) is a great one. That's not to say you couldn't create a white character similar to him, but something would be lost in the translation, since black culture at the time played a part in who that character was. The theme song (Isaac Hayes) definitely reflected that as well. I can't imagine that movie with Burt Reynolds as the lead, and a theme song by Crosby, Stills, and Nash. Romeo and Juliet is a story which has been told a million times, but when they change the setting and characters, they also re-name the story. Ever heard of West Side Story?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 newlook 265 Report post Posted November 9, 2006 Interesting thread! It is very difficult to gauge an individual as to who they are and/or what their beliefs are around topics that involve race over the internet. I have been part of this board now going on close to 5 years. In that time I have never got the sense and/or feeling that our members (current or past) would purposely berate a particular race. I am sure that there are some wise-cracks in the TGS archives that have been made by individuals but all-in-all the administrators of this site would not tolerate anybody belittleing a particular race. Degraffed's points and comments should be well taken and all races should respect the sensitivity around this particular subject. I quantify my 2nd statement regarding the TGS and racial comments because my beautiful wife of 14 years happens to be African American also. Certainly in the last 5 years if I felt that there was an "undercurrent" of racial proclivity I would have expressed my concerns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 newlook 265 Report post Posted November 9, 2006 Yikes...correction on how long I have been around the TGS...it's been only close to 3 years but it feels like 5 LOL :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Degraffreed 21 Report post Posted November 9, 2006 Jon, Let me answer your question, H**l No I would not be fine with "Whiteys" making that commet if it was 50 black and 50 whites having that conversation. For one I watch what people say and do very closely when race is the topic. I know there is a lot of "undertones" that society uses to really say what they mean. This post is one of them. So who cares if Diddy, wants to be the next Bond, go for it. Why so much negativity about it? Could it be those here are envious, jelous or the fact maybe that a Black man wants a role that was traditional white actor played. It goes back to the theory, they ( blacks), have taken over the NBA, NFL, PGA, (The Venus girls) tennis and now BOND. Oh No, we can not have that. People get out of your surrounding and see the world for what it is, FREEDOM, to do what you want to do. Also Diddy has the finaicial backing if he wanted to to do his own movie, but it about economics and HOLLYWOOD see the Green$$$$$$$$$$$ This 1950 way of thinking is as old as the dinosaurs!!!!!!!!! One more thing, If you feel this strongly about a useless topic, I wonder what the majority of those who made the comments feel about the immigration topic, Asians, Koreans and Lations. I wish I could be invisible and be a "Fly on the Wall " at some of your homes to justify what I Know people do and act, when no one is watching!!!!!!! Make you think why society has so much fear of the other races. We are all in this melting pot called America together. As Rodney King said after getting all the " Club Whoppings", Can we all get along. Jeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Stop throwing rocks and hiding your Hand Folks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 PressurePros 248 Report post Posted November 9, 2006 Deg/Jay, The political corectness sh*t is not me. The role was traditionally played by a British white guy. I was curious if other people were shocked, against it or loved the idea. If you thik we live in a "let's all get along" world, you're naive. I didn't have an underlying agenda to belittle the black race or propogate white power because I think an ethnicity is taking over the world. I got way better things to do with my time. You know what our melting pot is? A Pot O' Gold. Thats what we all seek as business owners. I could care less what race my customers and neighbors are, as long as their money is good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 JFife 14 Report post Posted November 9, 2006 Jon, Let me answer your question, H**l No I would not be fine with "Whiteys" making that commet if it was 50 black and 50 whites having that conversation. For one I watch what people say and do very closely when race is the topic. I know there is a lot of "undertones" that society uses to really say what they mean. You sound like one of those angry, militant black men. Obviously written words can skew the way the way something "reads", but you seem very distrustful. Why not work with what people "do" instead of your interpretation of what they've "said"??? I was in Florida once at some trendy beach restraunt with a bunch of young surfer waiters.....one of the guys in my dinner party was a black friend of mine. This young waiter was calling us "dude, brah, bro, etc" and asked my black friend, "what can I get you tonight bro?" Holy crap. Talk about a ruined dinner. He snapped back and was offended, etc.......it was rediculous and embarrassing. This post is one of them. So who cares if Diddy, wants to be the next Bond, go for it. Why so much negativity about it? Could it be those here are envious, jelous or the fact maybe that a Black man wants a role that was traditional white actor played. It goes back to the theory, they ( blacks), have taken over the NBA, NFL, PGA, (The Venus girls) tennis and now BOND. Oh No, we can not have that. People get out of your surrounding and see the world for what it is, FREEDOM, to do what you want to do. Also Diddy has the finaicial backing if he wanted to to do his own movie, but it about economics and HOLLYWOOD see the Green$$$$$$$$$$$ I think it would be cool for a black Bond (and voted that way) but respect nobody else wanting one. How about a midget? You just expect certain things, a la Shaft. You didn't answer than analogy. Regarding blacks "taking over"....well honkey Steve Nash was NBA MVP, nobody would consider the NFL dominated by blacks, I say Tiger Woods is a Chinaman (why is he considered black? He's a self-described cocktail.....but man the blacks snatched him up quick!) This 1950 way of thinking is as old as the dinosaurs!!!!!!!!! I'm nowhere close to that. I'd marry a black woman, vote for one......I shouldn't even need to substantiate these positions, I'd treat any black person the same as I'd treat any other human. As a race, I have major problems with blacks and the way their community aligns itself politically and as a sub-group of America. I think they are the most dis-serviced group of Americans, all because of their leadership and the role they play in keeping that community in a Socialist state of mind. One more thing, If you feel this strongly about a useless topic, I wonder what the majority of those who made the comments feel about the immigration topic, Asians, Koreans and Lations. I wish I could be invisible and be a "Fly on the Wall " at some of your homes to justify what I Know people do and act, when no one is watching!!!!!!! Make you think why society has so much fear of the other races. LEGAL immigrants are okay, key word being LEGAL. My understanding is that most asians,etc. are legal, obviously we know most Mexicans aren't. Accepting and being tolerant of other races is different than welcoming them as your next-door neighbor. It's not fear, it's called a comfort zone that you may not want broken. I despise the idea that we are considered a nation of racism because "Sunday is the most racially diverse day of the week." Who cares?? Black churches dance, have fun and yell (stereotype), most white churches are calm, dour and dull (stereotype). Does this need "fixed"?? LOL, black people (stereotype) have different move-watching habits than I do. They tend to carry an open dialogue and discussion of the movie while it is going on. Crackers yell at each other to "shut up and turn off your phone". Do we have to fix that too?? We are all in this melting pot called America together. As Rodney King said after getting all the " Club Whoppings", Can we all get along. Jeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Stop throwing rocks and hiding your Hand Folks. I don't think anyone is doing this. Good to see you back Jay, hadn't heard from you since your move. Still in biz? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Pure Pressure 14 Report post Posted November 10, 2006 Puff-Daddy, P-Diddy, WTF? How about changing it to Dip-Shi##y? Thats more like it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 newlook 265 Report post Posted November 10, 2006 Certainly this thread is picking up speed! It is obvious that this topic has touched off a debate that could go on for a very long time which I would venture to say would do more harm than good. Should this thread continue in the direction that it is going it will be removed from public view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 seymore 90 Report post Posted November 10, 2006 Certainly this thread is picking up speed! It is obvious that this topic has touched off a debate that could go on for a very long time which I would venture to say would do more harm than good.Should this thread continue in the direction that it is going it will be removed from public view. I agree Carlos it has taken a turn for the worst and that sure wasn't the intention of the thread when created. Take it out Carlos you have moderator privalges Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 JFife 14 Report post Posted November 10, 2006 Certainly this thread is picking up speed! It is obvious that this topic has touched off a debate that could go on for a very long time which I would venture to say would do more harm than good.Should this thread continue in the direction that it is going it will be removed from public view. ...I must just have an altered sense of appropriateness or sensitivity, because as far as I was concerned except for post #42 about Puffdaddy which was just a goofy post, I felt it was professional and low-key, nothing flaring. I'm certainly sorry if anything I've said would be considered inappropriate. Thought the initial post was interesting, and the turn it made with Jay's POV took it to a new level of stimulation. But hey, whatever, this ain't my barbeque. We can just return to the enlightening threads like "should I xjet or downstream" or something else fresh. I'm not upset, it's just aggravating that any time a thread starts to get interesting somebody gets offended. People are too sensitive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 newlook 265 Report post Posted November 10, 2006 I for one do not make it a habit to "chop threads at it's knees" at the first sign of a conflict. I am a firm believer that threads should be giving every opportunity to work themselves out amongst the people that are in the dialogue as long as the dialogue is in good taste. Am I saying this is what is going on here ~ No. I have been on the bbs long enough and so have the majority of you to know that without checks and balances there can easily be a misunderstanding on a statement and/or a insinuation ~ no matter how innocent it may be! Is there a right or wrong on this thread - No. All posts on this P-diddy topic have equal merit but when a member shares his/her concern about what they are feeling (based on what they read), then it is all of our jobs to be conscious of those concerns when we express our version of what we read. Let's steer, if we can, back to the topic of whether or not this P-Diddy guy could/should be the new James Bond. Enjoy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Don Phelps 85 Report post Posted November 10, 2006 I gotta vote for my half brother, Leon Phelps. A real "Ladies Man." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 TNT Pressure Washing 14 Report post Posted November 10, 2006 What about Samuel L Jackson? I know hes getting older and all but I think he could play a good Bond. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Degraffreed 21 Report post Posted November 10, 2006 Jon, what rock did you come from?????? You really do get it do you. You seem as though you were on of those kids who got bullied in school when you were little or you live in some rural outback woods. Maybe you need to take a diversity training course! I will not respond to anymore of this nonsense after this post because it seems as though some of you cannot understand where I am coming from when I responded to the initial post. No, I am not this angry black militant man, as describe above. I felt,IMHO, that this post was not appropriate and voiced my opinion on it. This is my opinion and my opinion only. I fought in Desert Storm, and the Mogodishu conflict and I believe when you fight for this country for the freedom of others to be able to enjoy the American Way, you should be able to stand for something with out being labeled a Angry Militant. "If you do not stand for something you will fall for anything". I was raised to respect others even if you have an opinion that could be view negatively by others. As my Lt. says " Once it leaves your mouth, you can not get it Back", so I called it out. That my right. Those who I have come into contact with in this business, knows my character and I see no need to justify it here on this board anymore. I understand that as long as we are all different, we will be divisive. No question about it. Peace. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 Degraffreed 21 Report post Posted November 10, 2006 Shane, ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
0 PressurePros 248 Report post Posted November 10, 2006 I do hear where you are coming from, Deg. I also don't want to offend you further by saying I am fully empathetic to your situation. I was born a white male. It carries its own benefits as well as stigmas. I acknowlege I'm white. I acknowlege I'm different from someone whom is not. I am an inquisitve person by nature. I live in a megalopolis of culturally diverse people. I value the first amendment and my privilege to ask questions like What do you think about P-Diddy or make statemens like "Blacks are better athletes". The world turns on its ear when someone makes a statement like that. WHY??? Is it not true? Is it not evident in professional sports? Political correctness irks me. I make this as a general statement realizing the forum, realizing the potential audience etc etc. I do not think this post should be removed or in any way altered. If someone reads this queston and poll and judges me someone with whom he cannot get along, it is on him or her. More personally to you, Jay.. I have enjoyed your presence and posts on TGS and hope that you decide to still participate. You are a man of the world and are not a kid. You know whats out there. You know what you face. I think its better to acknowlege it and to move on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alright, meaningless poll here but I am curious as to other's feelings on this one. P-Diddy (black rap star I'm sure you recognize) put his name in for the first black James Bond. It's an interesting concept I suppose. How do you feel about that.
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