Virtual Election '08

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

I thought it would be fun to hold a virtual election here on TGS. Cast your vote anywhere between now and Nov 4th. After that, the poll will close and we will see if out results match the Nation or not.

Make your vote count!

Beth

[RMedbery 26]

By By the way, I didnt read it, I only clicked I Agree while I was crossing my fingers.

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

Apparantly so if Im unable to post without clicking yes.

There was no name calling in the post you deleted. Which rule did I break there?

Yes, there was. I suggest you let it go. Like...NOW.

Beth

[RJTravel 32]

...I see McCains experience as one of a POW who has adopted the submissive posture of a prisoner and voted along with his party lines...

Rod!~

Whoa - hold on!

"submissive posture" - what? Was this poster/basher there in Vietnam? How could he know? I know a person who was there and knows what went on. Me. I arrived in 1966 - before McCain was shot down. The highest regard was and is accorded this and other valiant soldiers - the fighter pilots top the list. Encountering one of these guys on the street would elicit "airborne all the way, Sir" accompanied by a sharp salute. This 'Rod' poster needs to be admonished to cease and desist all bashing and name calling.

What America desperately needs is a leader with military experience as commander-in-chief. McCain is the strong one who fits perfectly. I am afraid Obama will discover that the world is not clean and tidy, and that war is not fun - he is most likely to say "I Ran". Don't let this happen.

Richard

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

Whoa - hold on!

"submissive posture" - what? Was this poster/basher there in Vietnam? How could he know? I know a person who was there and knows what went on. Me. I arrived in 1966 - before McCain was shot down. The highest regard was and is accorded this and other valiant soldiers - the fighter pilots top the list. Encountering one of these guys on the street would elicit "airborne all the way, Sir" accompanied by a sharp salute. This 'Rod' poster needs to be admonished to cease and desist all bashing and name calling.

What America desperately needs is a leader with military experience as commander-in-chief. McCain is the strong one who fits perfectly. I am afraid Obama will discover that the world is not clean and tidy, and that war is not fun - he is most likely to say "I Ran". Don't let this happen.

Richard

Rod did not bash a forum member....

Beth

[HotShot 34]

Obama will discover that the world is not clean and tidy

Richard....I'm positive that Nobama already knows this. Since he's in bed with terrorists [fact] and the crooks from Fannie Mae, ACORN etc he already knows about all the crooked stuff that goes on in this world.

[Jeff 232]

The dirty talking and mud slinging is hurting McCain the more he or his campaign does it the lower in polls they go.

We can bring up a lot more than what I am posting,, the Keating 5, The lobbyist the are running his campaign, The Karl Rove guys that are running his campaign, the same ones McCain said they will have a special place in hell when they tanked McCain in 2000. The erratic behavior he has been doing. He says he's going to Washington to help with the bailout but he stopped a a fundraiser 1st and it took him 24 hrs to get there. Palins witch preacher, places his hand on her to expel the witches. Her husbands connection with the radical that wanted to secede Alaska from the USA, the ethics probe she said she and her staff would cooperate with then said she wouldn't. The nasty lies she and others are inciting people to actually say KILL Obama, its a mean nasty stupid and losing tactic and they are to stupid to figure it out......Its about the economy stupid not backstabbing nasty lies and exaggerations they are spewing. He could of had a chance if really was the Maverick he used to be. If he loses it, its his tone that did it

People want someone to look towards someone to look up to, someone even handed not mean & nasty

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

The dirty talking and mud slinging is hurting McCain the more he or his campaign does it the lower in polls they go.

We can bring up a lot more than what I am posting,, the Keating 5, The lobbyist the are running his campaign, The Karl Rove guys that are running his campaign, the same ones McCain said they will have a special place in hell when they tanked McCain in 2000. The erratic behavior he has been doing. He says he's going to Washington to help with the bailout but he stopped a a fundraiser 1st and it took him 24 hrs to get there. Palins witch preacher, places his hand on her to expel the witches. Her husbands connection with the radical that wanted to secede Alaska from the USA, the ethics probe she said she and her staff would cooperate with then said she wouldn't. The nasty lies she and others are inciting people to actually say KILL Obama, its a mean nasty stupid and losing tactic and they are to stupid to figure it out......Its about the economy stupid not backstabbing nasty lies and exaggerations they are spewing. He could of had a chance if really was the Maverick he used to be. If he loses it, its his tone that did it

People want someone to look towards someone to look up to, someone even handed not mean & nasty

Woohoo!

Vote for Jeff! Vote for Jeff! :)

Gee why do you suppose the GOP people at the McCain support rallies are so nasty? Things are spinning down around the tidy bowl folks....and they are being mean and nasty and pulling their own party down! AND...even McCain came out and told them to stop being like that. Sheesh!

Beth

[Beth n Rod 1,279]

Hey Jeff, what is your take on this?

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Obama HQ Blogger: Obama Proposes New Small Business Rescue Plan

Beth

[HotShot 34]

The dirty talking and mud slinging is hurting McCain the more he or his campaign does it the lower in polls they go.

We can bring up a lot more than what I am posting,, the Keating 5, The lobbyist the are running his campaign, The Karl Rove guys that are running his campaign, the same ones McCain said they will have a special place in hell when they tanked McCain in 2000. The erratic behavior he has been doing. He says he's going to Washington to help with the bailout but he stopped a a fundraiser 1st and it took him 24 hrs to get there. Palins witch preacher, places his hand on her to expel the witches. Her husbands connection with the radical that wanted to secede Alaska from the USA, the ethics probe she said she and her staff would cooperate with then said she wouldn't. The nasty lies she and others are inciting people to actually say KILL Obama, its a mean nasty stupid and losing tactic and they are to stupid to figure it out......Its about the economy stupid not backstabbing nasty lies and exaggerations they are spewing. He could of had a chance if really was the Maverick he used to be. If he loses it, its his tone that did it

People want someone to look towards someone to look up to, someone even handed not mean & nasty

Jeff...McCain WON'T fight back or mudsling...that's what has conservatives pissed off. Plus, it's not mudslinging, it's factual information, the man has many ties to REALLY bad people. Ayers is a terrorist dude, A TERRORIST!!!

And the reason that McCain doesn't have the support to win by a landslide in this election is because he doesn't have a whole lot of support from his base. People like myself. I love to listen to Palin, she's conservative. In the debates the other night, I couldn't tell who was more liberal, Nobama or McCain. That's sad! I'm voting for McCain for 3 reasons: 1). Palin 2). To keep Nobama as far from the white house as possible, I think he's dangerous with his ties to terrorists 3). I think he's the right man for the job when it comes to the war on terror

Do you really want to go there about Palin and her preacher? Need I bring up Nobama's G-D'm, America hating preacher?

Gee why do you suppose the GOP people at the McCain support rallies are so nasty? Things are spinning down around the tidy bowl folks....and they are being mean and nasty and pulling their own party down! AND...even McCain came out and told them to stop being like that. Sheesh!

Beth

People are watching McCain sit back and not do anything about Nobama's ties to terrorists while the polls are showing him lead in the race. We don't want to see our country taken over by a radical left wing, no experienced, tax raising, linguini spined, friend of terrorists, wuss! The gov't takes enough of my money already and gives it to people that are too freakin lazy to get a job and pay for themselves and their 15 kids by 15 different dads.

McCain is the only one that can change this election. I know he has the balls, but he's gotta step up to the plate and use them to get it done. He's a real American hero and he's letting the media and the limp wristed libs step all over him. He needs to man up.

[Kirk 14]

"Plus, it's not mudslinging, it's factual information, the man has many ties to REALLY bad people. Ayers is a terrorist dude, A TERRORIST!!!"

Also voted Chicago's 1997 CITIZEN OF THE YEAR and highly respected community leader. He's grown up since then, you think he's going to fire bomb you after he becomes president? What are you afraid of?

"I love to listen to Palin, she's conservative."

How can you tell what she is, other than a trained seal reciting what she has been told to say by her "HANDLERS".

Do you really want to go there about Palin and her preacher? Need I bring up Nobama's G-D'm, America hating preacher?

You want to compare Obamas preacher with a WITCH DOCTOR who was expelled from Kenya for harassing women he thought were witches? Do you believe in witches?

How about Caribou Barbi's first dude's separatist group membership until 2002. Their founder Joe Vogler - "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP. Vogler was found murdered after a plastic explosives sale gone bad.

It's looking like most of America does not see Obama as "the radical left wing". It looks like most Americans want their country back. Peace.

[RMedbery 26]

The dirty talking and mud slinging is hurting McCain the more he or his campaign does it the lower in polls they go.

We can bring up a lot more than what I am posting,, the Keating 5, The lobbyist the are running his campaign, The Karl Rove guys that are running his campaign, the same ones McCain said they will have a special place in hell when they tanked McCain in 2000. The erratic behavior he has been doing. He says he's going to Washington to help with the bailout but he stopped a a fundraiser 1st and it took him 24 hrs to get there. Palins witch preacher, places his hand on her to expel the witches. Her husbands connection with the radical that wanted to secede Alaska from the USA, the ethics probe she said she and her staff would cooperate with then said she wouldn't. The nasty lies she and others are inciting people to actually say KILL Obama, its a mean nasty stupid and losing tactic and they are to stupid to figure it out......Its about the economy stupid not backstabbing nasty lies and exaggerations they are spewing. He could of had a chance if really was the Maverick he used to be. If he loses it, its his tone that did it

People want someone to look towards someone to look up to, someone even handed not mean & nasty

Assuming 100% of your diatribe is true it vastly pales in comparrison to the crap freakboma is connected with.

[HotShot 34]

Also voted Chicago's 1997 CITIZEN OF THE YEAR and highly respected community leader. He's grown up since then, you think he's going to fire bomb you after he becomes president? What are you afraid of? [/i]Oh, I see. Since he's older now it's ok that he pals around with a known terrorist. Time doesn't forgive murder dude..

Do you know what "community" he was leading? Do a google search on ACORN. They have been sued by several states AND SETTLED because of registering voters illegally! That's Nobama's great success.

Citizen of the Year....woopdy freakin do. Al Gore got a nobel prize...so, does that make him any less wacko than he is?

How can you tell what she is, other than a trained seal reciting what she has been told to say by her "HANDLERS".

I can tell because of her history as a mayor, and governor. She actually has a record of success, unlike Nobama.

Do you really want to go there about Palin and her preacher? Need I bring up Nobama's G-D'm, America hating preacher?

You want to compare Obamas preacher with a WITCH DOCTOR who was expelled from Kenya for harassing women he thought were witches? Do you believe in witches? Uhmm....yes I do.

How about Caribou Barbi's first dude's separatist group membership until 2002. Their founder Joe Vogler - "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP. Vogler was found murdered after a plastic explosives sale gone bad.

I don't know enough about this to comment on it.

It's looking like most of America does not see Obama as "the radical left wing". It looks like most Americans want their country back. Peace.

Their country back? Back to what, surely not the constitution. If they had wanted that, then more people would have voted for Ron Paul. If you mean they want us to go backwards, then I understand what you mean though. They want to go back to the Jimmy Carter days of high taxes, gas shortages, high interest rates, etc, or did you mean the Clinton days of immorality, sticking babies that were half born in the back of the head with sissors a higher jobless rate than with Bush or turning down Osama bin Laden 3-4 times when he was in custody?

People don't see Nobama for what he is because he is a good liar and McCain isn't doing his job of telling everybody and calling him out. Trying to be too bipartisan like he always is. That's his biggest problem.

[HotShot 34]

Bashing removed by Admin!

I agree Rog...libs couldn't care less about what McCain has done for this country. Or any vet for that matter.

Edited October 11, 2008 by Beth n Rod

[Kirk 14]

"I agree Rog...libs couldn't care less about what McCain has done for this country. Or any vet for that matter."

Where do you come up with this stuff? I've got a pretty good idea what vets have done for this country. And I was recently reminded about it when I went to the funeral of the guy who stuffed my fathers intestines back in his abdomen and carried him for 8 hours through enemy fire to save his life in Korea.

Kirk

[HotShot 34]

Well, you're one of the few that appreciates what they do then. Just read Rod's post above about McCain. Blatant disregard for John McCain's heroism as a POW.

[Jeff 232]

Well, you're one of the few that appreciates what they do then. Just read Rod's post above about McCain. Blatant disregard for John McCain's heroism as a POW.

One of the few........You are wrong Ant

[MMI Enterprises 289]

Even if this is only 10% true, man are we in trouble if this yahoo gets in office.

Could perhaps correlate some the info/events you posted above to the warnings of socialism presented here: http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums/club-house/14905-worthy-thing-fight-baracks-stealthy-socialism.html

[MMI Enterprises 289]

How about Caribou Barbi's first dude's separatist group membership until 2002. Their founder Joe Vogler - "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government," Vogler said in the interview, in which he talked extensively about his desire for Alaskan secession, the key goal of the AIP. Vogler was found murdered after a plastic explosives sale gone bad.

I don't know enough about this to comment on it.

Current facts or known truths of these ties could use a checking into. Tom Sullivans stand in on my local radio kicked a lady off the air today for continueing to spread what he called in so many words as a dirty little lie that has been disproven.

I don't know myself so..

[centexpw 16]

I received this in an email today. I thought some of you would be interested in this message. We all want to know the truth about Obama!!! Obama scares the livin chit out me. He has too many Anti-American, Racist, Hater connections. IMO is not the best choice for the Dems and McCain was not my choice for the Rep. But if I have to choose between the two, Its McCain. Anyway Im watching Sunday night. And to you Libs, Quit drinking the coolaid, he is not the Messiah.

HELLO EVERYONE: IMPORTANT INFORMATION!!

SEAN HANNITY, OF HANNITY & COLMES ~ FOX NEWS, IS GOING TO AIR A VERYIMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY ABOUT BARACK OBAMA, SUNDAY NIGHT AT 9:00 PM. HE STATED ON THE AIR THIS EVENING THAT NO ONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA WAS WILLING TO DO THIS.

HANNITY IS GOING BACK TO OBAMA'S EARLIER DAYS, SHOWING EVEN THEN HIS TIES TO RADICAL PROFESSORS, FRIENDS, SPIRITUAL ADVISERS, Etc.

HE STATED THIS EVENING THAT HE WILL SHOW IN DETAIL HIS TIES TO REV. WRIGHT FOR 20+ YRS (which we all know) HOW HE WAS PARTICIPATING WITH THIS MAN, AND NOT FOR THE REASONS HE STATES!

HE HAS UNCOVERED MORE OF OBAMA'S RADICAL LEADERS AND WE WILL SEE THINGS THAT NO ONE IN THE MEDIA IS WILLING TO PUT OUT THERE.

THIS WILL BE A NIGHT THAT YOU WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT OBAMA THAN EVER BEFORE. HANNITY IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND ASKED THAT EVERYONE PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH~~

SUNDAY NIGHT, 9 PM.

HANNITY IS DETERMINED THIS INFORMATION BE PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE AS AMERICAN'S, WE STILL DO NOT KNOW ABOUT OBAMA!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!

THIS IS SERIOUS,EVERYONE. I KNOW MOST OF YOU WATCH FOX NEWS, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR, BUT IF YOU CAN, PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW.

THIS IS CRITICAL FOR OUR COUNTRY. MY PRAYER IS THAT WE, ALONG WITH SEAN HANNITY, WILL REACH SOMEONE/ANYONE BEFORE NOV. 4th.

WE MUST NOT GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!

GOD BLESS!!

[Jeff 232]

Jeff...McCain WON'T fight back or mudsling...that's what has conservatives pissed off. Plus, it's not mudslinging, it's factual information, the man has many ties to REALLY bad people. Ayers is a terrorist dude, A TERRORIST!!!

And the reason that McCain doesn't have the support to win by a landslide in this election is because he doesn't have a whole lot of support from his base. People like myself. I love to listen to Palin, she's conservative. In the debates the other night, I couldn't tell who was more liberal, Nobama or McCain. That's sad! I'm voting for McCain for 3 reasons: 1). Palin 2). To keep Nobama as far from the white house as possible, I think he's dangerous with his ties to terrorists 3). I think he's the right man for the job when it comes to the war on terror

Do you really want to go there about Palin and her preacher? Need I bring up Nobama's G-D'm, America hating preacher?

People are watching McCain sit back and not do anything about Nobama's ties to terrorists while the polls are showing him lead in the race. We don't want to see our country taken over by a radical left wing, no experienced, tax raising, linguini spined, friend of terrorists, wuss! The gov't takes enough of my money already and gives it to people that are too freakin lazy to get a job and pay for themselves and their 15 kids by 15 different dads.

McCain is the only one that can change this election. I know he has the balls, but he's gotta step up to the plate and use them to get it done. He's a real American hero and he's letting the media and the limp wristed libs step all over him. He needs to man up.

First of all Obama was 8 years old when ayers was a piece of crap. I was tied to some bad people in my 20's 30's you could use that against me but when I was 8???

Yes you can compare Rev Wright to the witch Doctor. Wrights an A HOLE YES!!!! But what Kirk wrote about the witch doctor is true, plus the fact is Palin was on stage getting witches expelled by this freak witch doctor and it wasn't to long ago , she was more than 8 years old. I find it troubling that she is associated and believes in this witch crap. Will she get in office and do what that witch preacher did. He almost got the lady killed in Kenya saying she is a witch either let him expel the witches or leave town. The townspeople wanted her dead, she had to leave. WTF . He was a scam artist and throw out of Kenya. a witch hunt in the 21st century.

Yes her husband was tied to this wack job guy and the guy was a VERY dangerous man and it wasn't when Palins husband was 8 years old either

You all should learn about your own candidates scary past and not so distant past

How about Palin just found guilty for abuse of power in Alaska !!!!!! She sent her husband to do the dirty work. Dont say its left wing going after her. There was 8 Republicans & 4 Dems on the panel that found her guilty

I find Palin to be very dangerous and just mean & nasty. I don't want her ruling the free world some day. I think she's full of crap, she's another politician and a phony, all that folksy talk is an ACT, you can tell every time it comes out of her mouth, PHONY. You can vote for the PHONY, I and most of America won't.

McCain should of picked someone else, it was a stunt picking her and he is going to pay the price. Shows McCain is more into stunts than getting the best person for the office. Poor judgment thats for sure

Radical left wing, man you all are scary, they way you talk

You want taxing no experience radical, we just had that with BUSH & Cheney, they got us into a war we didn't need to get into, should of finished the war in Afghanistan, he has given away the farm on spending the last 7+ years...What you dont think that isn't a tax, where do you think all that money he's wasted or given away comes from>>>>>> US our pockets sound like a tax to me. His Inexperience in foreign affairs and economics SURE has hurt us too

Maybe if we all stopped being so far right and far left we could see through the bulls**t of all this, but probably not. Soooooooooooo OBAMA/BIDEN 2008...We can let the scary wack job chick and the old nasty poor judgment guy in

You know many liked McCain just back 6-8 years ago, he was known as being middle of the road which most of America is, to bad he's changed for the worse. I might of voted for him. Also a lot of it is he's just to old, I want a man on top of his game, not in his declining years. especially with Palin as his stand in, she was a very bad choice. I bet if he picked Romney he would have a much better chance OH WELL

[MMI Enterprises 289]

I'm joining this late, but my observations: Obama has actually worked in Senate duties something over 300 days and has voted for 'pork bill' monies to the tune of nearly one million dollars per day. McCain has been in session several thousand days - and his pork bill spending has been exactly zero. Zero! Can we afford to give Obama any voice at all? Obama has no governing experience whatsoever and not long ago couldn't earn enough to pay the rent. A silver spoon Harvard grad with a degree in law. Take it from one who was officed with these guys for years - the very fact that he is an attorney should throw up a red flag. It is not complimentary. He has the least qualification and ability of any candidate for high office I have ever seen - and that is a long, long time - I had a young family with 2 children when Eisenhower was still in office.

Consider all 4 candidates. In the recent debate Biden spewed lots of 'facts' in a sincere and stern manner. All thinking people everywhere now know that he did not have truth on his side. No one - even Biden himself - can dispute this. He is a political laughing-stock. Even his smarmy manner and smirks did him no good. He is badly afflicted with a psychological quirk, i.e., if you continue to tell yourself something you will believe it - even if it is an untruth. Can you imagine him as President with a bad attitude and one hand on the hot button that would seal our doom? I consider the Obama/Biden ticket the most dangerous team ever - by far.

I'm not going to convince anyone whose mind is made up, but if these two extreme liberals get in woe be to us. It may not affect me - I won't be around for the next 20-30 years to see the deterioriation - but my 8 grandkids and their kids may find themselves living in a 3rd would country. Don't take this lightly - I have been all over the world a number of times - even Islamic nations - and this has happened elsewhere (Spain, for just one example). If this is what you want then cast your vote for Obama - we may get just what we deserve.

Richard

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Dude..WELL SAID!!!:lgbow:

[MMI Enterprises 289]

Then, let's get out there and make an informed decision to vote for the ones that are factual and have a proven track record of service and accomplishment.

That is how responsible americans vote and that is what a Patriot is to me.

Rod!~

Dude..then why you not being responsable in voting for McCain then? I don't get you mang!

[Jeff 232]

I received this in an email today. I thought some of you would be interested in this message. We all want to know the truth about Obama!!! Obama scares the livin chit out me. He has too many Anti-American, Racist, Hater connections. IMO is not the best choice for the Dems and McCain was not my choice for the Rep. But if I have to choose between the two, Its McCain. Anyway Im watching Sunday night. And to you Libs, Quit drinking the coolaid, he is not the Messiah.

HELLO EVERYONE: IMPORTANT INFORMATION!!

SEAN HANNITY, OF HANNITY & COLMES ~ FOX NEWS, IS GOING TO AIR A VERYIMPORTANT DOCUMENTARY ABOUT BARACK OBAMA, SUNDAY NIGHT AT 9:00 PM. HE STATED ON THE AIR THIS EVENING THAT NO ONE IN THE NEWS MEDIA WAS WILLING TO DO THIS.

HANNITY IS GOING BACK TO OBAMA'S EARLIER DAYS, SHOWING EVEN THEN HIS TIES TO RADICAL PROFESSORS, FRIENDS, SPIRITUAL ADVISERS, Etc.

HE STATED THIS EVENING THAT HE WILL SHOW IN DETAIL HIS TIES TO REV. WRIGHT FOR 20+ YRS (which we all know) HOW HE WAS PARTICIPATING WITH THIS MAN, AND NOT FOR THE REASONS HE STATES!

HE HAS UNCOVERED MORE OF OBAMA'S RADICAL LEADERS AND WE WILL SEE THINGS THAT NO ONE IN THE MEDIA IS WILLING TO PUT OUT THERE.

THIS WILL BE A NIGHT THAT YOU WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT OBAMA THAN EVER BEFORE. HANNITY IS VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROGRAM AND ASKED THAT EVERYONE PLEASE, PLEASE WATCH~~

SUNDAY NIGHT, 9 PM.

HANNITY IS DETERMINED THIS INFORMATION BE PUT OUT THERE BECAUSE AS AMERICAN'S, WE STILL DO NOT KNOW ABOUT OBAMA!! WAKE UP AMERICA!!

THIS IS SERIOUS,EVERYONE. I KNOW MOST OF YOU WATCH FOX NEWS, AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR, BUT IF YOU CAN, PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW.

THIS IS CRITICAL FOR OUR COUNTRY. MY PRAYER IS THAT WE, ALONG WITH SEAN HANNITY, WILL REACH SOMEONE/ANYONE BEFORE NOV. 4th.

WE MUST NOT GIVE UP!!!!!!!!!

GOD BLESS!!

I'll have to watch that for sure. Because we all know Hannity is unbias. Hannity is one of the most devisive person in the media, he's just another stuck up rich republican who thinks he's better than you and me, another Rush

All this nasty full of crap talk is sending MORE & MORE Americans to Obamas side.. But the republicans just dont get it. The right wing Republicans are the ones that are going to put Obama in office. America has enough negatives going on now, they don't want to hear the same NASTY Lying of the far right anymore, we are all sick of it. Thanks Hannity and the rest of the far right for helping to put Obama in office, couldnt have done it without the Far right nasty people LOL

[centexpw 16]

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[MMI Enterprises 289]

Jeff you are well intentioned...I like ya. Seems ya siding with a change for sake of a change though. Just realize once he gets the bully pulpit he can be the man you talk about here: "You know many liked McCain just back 6-8 years ago, he was known as being middle of the road which most of America is.......I might of voted for him......" Most of what I know of your values have tended to be more conservative in nature than your choice reflects. Maybe run through that abc questionaire I first put up in the Barack Stealthy thread (Abc's match'o matic http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/MatchOMatic...page?id=5542139 ) as well as the one centex just put up and report back to us how you come out.I really want to know how much of obama you are like minded with..

"Also a lot of it is he's just to old, I want a man on top of his game, not in his declining years." Your saying he not on his game??

Remember that thing called the surge? Remember him firing his own people when it was needed? Him and Palin will get more done in way of keeping the good on tract and suppressing the bad than the high hopes/messiah candidate could ever dream or fantasize about. Dude he not just older and wiser, he is on. Any of us could only dream to be as active when we his age. Post election things are gonna change but I suspect they gonna change without as much risk, without throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and without high hopes Obama fumbling the ball.

Edited October 11, 2008 by MMI Enterprises